>Um, actually, he never technically killed anyone. He just put them in dangerous scenarios that resulted in death 9 times out of 10 in which they would have to self mutilate or kill someone else in order to live.
Would this actually stand up in court?
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Probably he'd get arrested and charged for kidnapping and false imprisonment.
Also they might throw some recklessly endangering and creating mayhem.
Maybe if the traps weren't so complex and well designed. clearly intended to maim and kill.
If he just trapped them all in a normal house and just left a single knife in the middle of a room with some vague instructions he could probably get away with it.
it's still abduction
Better question:
If Seth Rogen starred in an installment of Saw, what traps would you like to see in the fictional story?
seth is in a garage with all of his cars
all of them are locked
key to exit is in one of the cars
has to break into and ransack every car to find it before gas fills the room
He is trapped in a room slowly filling up with bacon grease. He ends up drowning in it. This is all filmed live and he actually dies.
No we're talking about fiction you joker lol
the one in the third movie where the person's limbs are slowly twisted around until they break then finally their head gets twisted around
What does that have to do with weed
weed?
Its seth rogen
he's stuck in a big lifesized bong and if he doesn't drink all the dirty bongwater he'll get boiled alive when the big giant guy with the bong takes a fat rip or whatever idk I didn't really plan it ahead I just wrote it like however. it can be whatever you want it to be
I like it.
Alternatively, he could be in a room filling with marijuana smoke that gets denser and denser to the point he can't get oxygen or see what he's trying to do, and he's also getting higher and higher.
I was trying to think of some way he would have to smoke a bunch of joints to find the right joint with the key and some have hallucinogens in them
he's tied and blindfolded in front of a ten man firing squad and being shot multiple times with high powered rifles
>live or die, make your choice
He is forced to smoke 100g of weed, to ensure he smokes it he has to blow the smoke into a contraption which eventually triggers a chemical reaction or pushes a button or whatever so a door opens. He then has to walk through a maze of horror most prominently being a synagoge section where his father asks him why he didnt become a good israelite and that he should go pray but the door to the prayer room leads into a gas chamber where he dies tripping his balls off.
Young hitler jugend student shoots him 9 times like 50cent. Seth can choose if he lives or dies from it.
Stand up in court wouldn't be a good idea because the situation is serious and the jury isn't there to laugh.
Charles Manson never killed anyone either. How'd that work out?
Manson was the best IRL shit poster ever.
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never even told anybody to do it neither, just said in court that he didn't feel bad they were dead and that was enough to get life in prison
It didn't work for Charles Manson so no
>kill someone else in order to live.
This is crucial. There were traps where at least one person HAD to die, so the Jigsaw defense falls apart for that.
Those people already failed a test
murder charges
All he did was offer them a choice. It's not his fault so many of them were suicidal.
to call him a murderer is just an emotional response, not based on solid law
You don't know shit about law. If you push someone in a cage with a tiger and lock the door that is first degree murder even if you throw a lockpick in there. You can easily prove intent because all jigsaw's traps were elaborately made beforehand so he wanted to kill his victims.
That you could in theory escape the traps means nothing. Giving the victim a small chance of escape doesn't change anything.
lol you are delsusional
I work for a big time law firm in NY, and the absolute worst that jigsaw could be charged with is misdemeanor breaking and entering
everything else, the "victims" did to themselves
>I work for a big time law firm in NY
Gonna need some credentials there buddy.
>I work for a big time law firm inNY.
That may be true, but only if you are a janitor there.
>and the absolute worst that jigsaw could be charged with is misdemeanor breaking and entering
You are a jannie there allright. Even without counting murder he still kidnapped those people and imprisoned them againsr their will.
>everything else, the "victims" did to themselves
Great defense there. Jigsaw even admits he wanted to punish bad people- kill them
- so the intent is proven. That he let them a very small chance fo escape doesn't change anything.
I like the idea of trying this in a different case.
>No your honour, the victim could have pushed my gun away, overpowered me and stolen my keys at any point between when I locked them in my basement and I shot them. The choice and chance always existed.
>tells 2 people in a locked room they have to kill one another or else he'll kill them both
>happens multiple times over multiple movies
>retconned into "everyone can choose to survive his traps" in the last couple ones
Lawyer here, there's no way he could ever be convicted. I've discussed the matter at length with several partners at my firm and they all say the same thing, no individual charge could be proved beyond reasonable doubt
This. Only zoomers and 90IQ fart sniffers even try to argue that he'd be imprisoned in these threads
shit b8
Assuming cops had literally any evidence, (such as tapes at the scene, clearly showing his voice detailing the traps) he could easily be convicted on conspiracy to commit murder charges or manslaughter, if not outright murder.
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>kidnaps victims and puts them in 'horrifically maim yourself or die' situations
your honor this man is clearly innocent, he never harmed anyone
jigsaw is at worst a kidnapper, and I don't think even that would stick. to call him a murderer is just an emotional response, not based on solid law
Of course it's dumb logic. It's like saying "Yes you're honour. I did indeed cut the brakes to the car. But when you think about it, it was the sudden stop that killed them. And they could have always jumped out before hand, amiright?"
It doesn't work because whatever choice Jigsaws victims have is a forced one. Given a real choice, they'd just choose to go home.
Charles J. Guiteau, who shot President Garfield, argued in court that he didn’t kill Garfield, the doctors did.
He was technically right! The bullet lodged in a non-lethal place, Garfield died of infection over several weeks through doctors and scientists poking and prodding him with unsanitary tools.
He was still found guilty and hung for his crimes.
Actually surprised someone backed me up, and just didn't shitpost in reply. Nice one. But yeah, exactly this. In that example he wouldn't have needed the surgeries that led to the infection if he was never shot. So shooter was still ultimately responsible.
>Would this actually stand up in court?
No. He put them in a situation where, regardless of their actions, they wouldn't have died if not for putting them there, with the intention of them "probably" dying.
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Not to mention all the lesser known crimes that you wouldn't even think of, but a court would slap 400 counts of whatever the frick on top of all the kidnapping and murder/conspiracy
poisoning, cutting the brake lines, quickly swapping out someone's chair under them for a spike, regardless of how forewarned or seemingly self-imposed it is, is illegal to engineer. Batman would be charged for most of him failed exploits, that's why they hunt him. Why wouldn't the long arm of the law want jigsaw?