>Omar said we are getting a Vol. 5.
>Also: Vol. 6 and 7 have been mapped by Marvel.
>Vol. 5 doesn't include some annuals (Uncanny X-Men #10 and New Mutants #2) .
>Also missing are some X-Factor issues #1-8 issues (Mutant Massacre omnibus collects #9-17 onwards).
>But these issues will be in Vol. 6 which will double dip against Mutant Massacre.
Seems like Marvel collected editions department just created an X-Tax. Got all the event omnis? Well anything missing might be in these collections so double dip.
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is it marvel masterworks edition?
Omnibus. A pretty small/thin omnibus.
>small/thin omnibus
>can't read it by holding it up with your own hands, have to set it down
Anyway, I'm curious what's gonna happen with the new Spectacular Spider-Man Masterworks and Omnibuses. They're just gonna collect Kraven's Last Hunt twice?
>>can't read it by holding it up with your own hands, have to set it down
What? By small/thin I mean it has a lot less content than the other uncanny omnis.
Bump
you would get more discussion going to /r/omnibuscollectors on reddit, like 90% of the people on here just pirate comics
>you would get more discussion going to
He should probably just wait for the weekly /shelf/ thread.
Will it be censored this time?
No mention of that, given their recent track record, I would say, probably yes.
100% considering the recent censorship to the reissue of God Loves Man Kills and the New Mutants omni.
>reissue of God Loves Man Kills
So far ONLY the Gallery Edition was censored. We have no idea if all future versions will be. It would be shitty if it was. Gallery Edition also added new pages that were awful wrap around story.
The New Mutants Omnibus censored Kitty's big list of slurs, which had always been intact before. I think it's just going to be like when they censored "Hell" and "Damn" from '80s reissues of '70s X-Men.
>The New Mutants Omnibus censored
Anon, I know it did.
I was specially pointing out that so-far the other God Loves Man Kills editions aren't censored. I know it is contained in one of the previous uncanny x-men omnis and is uncensored.
I hope not
Great news but they could release a new She-Hulk Omnibus with all of Byrne's censored pages, they should take advantage of the She-Hulk hype to release a new She-Hulk Omnibus
>Great news
Did you miss the part about the missing issue and them forcing people to double dip?
>they completely fricked up the issues mapped for literally no reason
>despite having plenty of space to include X-Factor and the annuals, thus reaching up to where the crossover event omnis begin
T-thanks Marvel, I've been waiting for volume 5 for ages...
The worst part is they reprinted all those event omnis over the last few years, including making Inferno Prologue an omni, when they KNEW the plan was to make a bunch more Uncanny X-Men omnis for pure X-Men while making other series omnis.
I recently got the X-Men omnis up to volume 4 and I was debating whether to get all those fricking event omnis in case they ran out of print before vol 5 arrived, but after this announcement I don't even know if it's worth continuing trying to collect them
The omnibuses are basically repackaged Masterworks. Volume 5, as announced, basically is two Masterworks combined together. Which is the real reason they aren't including the 1986 Annuals; they were included in the Mutant Massacre centric MMW.
Where my Outback Era Omnibus!!
I forget the issue numbers but they are collected in Inferno Prologue omni, Inferno omni and Chris Claremont/Jim Lee omni vol. 1. But given these new plans you'll probably get all that stuff in one omni.
Honestly it is difficult. If you get the event omnis you get the WHOLE thing including the new mutants/xfactor issues. But if you wait for these new omnis, you will just get specifics.
So either you get the event omnis and double dip with vol.6 or just get the uncanny x-men vols and miss out on a bunch of other stuff.
I need to check what issues I don’t have collected it’s a weird set. I’ve got the first two Essentials bc I want Byrne in B&W, then omnibus 3, then various trades and epics plus the Classic X-Men Omni. So I’ve got real weird gaps
>So either you get the event omnis and double dip with vol.6 or just get the uncanny x-men vols and miss out on a bunch of other stuff.
Fricking Marvel, goddamn
why would they mess up something this fricking simple???
All they needed to close the gap on Claremont was:
>Vol. 5 including the missing issues.
>"Events" omni including Days of Future Present/X-Tinction Agenda which the Jim Lee omnis skipped.
And for good measure:
>Make an omni to fit the gap between original X-Men and Uncanny X-Men where the series was cancelled but you still had important moments like Beast turning blue.
Basically Marvel used to avoid "big number" omnis because of the post vol.1 drop off where it saw it as diminishing returns. Then a few years ago they started to push X-Men and Spider-Man more. Then they got the Conan license and pumped out Savage Sword and Main Conan up to like 8 omnis that sold. A lot of people started collecting omnis too which began pushing things massively.
So Marvel were like "I guess numbers sell" and we got higher number omnis. With the X-men the problem was the middle was full of gaps of event books or HCs. So Marvel decided to reprint them all as omnis so they all began to connect together (apart from above gaps). So all we needed was Vol.5 to bridge the gap and then all the event omnis take you to Jim Lee omnis 1 and 2 that finishes Claremont run (some of Claremont's later returning work is collected in other omnis, but his main run would have basically been finished).
Outback years is like what 230s-onwards to like 250? So that stuff is collected in omni format but split across like three books because of the events.
Because they are moronic. Like when they do "creator specific" omnis:
>Peter David Hulk omni goes #328, 331–368
Now why not just include those orphaned issues? And why not include the Bryne Grey Hulk set up too, the Going Grey arc? I mean its already turned into a 4 book omni series. Few issues won't hurt.
Not really. The Mutant Massacre omnibus only includes the MM tie-in from New Mutants. New Mutants #45, 47-54 are skipped entirely as was Fallen Angels. Should note that #51-54 have some major plot advancements (the first mentions of "Plan Omega" IE Storm's plan to fake the deaths of the X-Men to be able to go after their enemies without putting their families at risk, Magneto and Storm being sworn into the Hellfire Club as joint White Kings, plus a Marauders vs the New Mutants fight in the Danger Room as the X-Men try and put the fear into the kids after they return home after going AWOL during the massacre.
At best, you get X-Factor #9-40 and New Mutants #46, 55-73 over the course of MM, FOTM, IP, Inferno omnibuses
Assuming X-Men Omnibus 5 doesn't sell because of this frick-up, anyone want to guess how long it takes for Marvel to basically churn out an "Asgardian Wars" Omnibus to paper over shit, say collecting #199-209, Annuals #9-10, New Mutants Annual #2 and Special Edition, and X-Factor #1-8 and the guest spots/tie-ins bringing Jean back?
>At best, you get X-Factor #9-40 and New Mutants #46, 55-73 over the course of MM, FOTM, IP, Inferno omnibuses
That's a chunk of issues.
But not even the point. The point is X-Men fans already bought all the event omnis and now this happened. All they needed was the filled gap.
>The point is X-Men fans already bought all the event omnis and now this happened. All they needed was the filled gap.
The thing I don't get is that comic collecting like this is a relatively niche market, so the last thing either of the Big Two should want to do is to confuse and piss off the people who are buying your superexpensive books. If they'd just done a straightforward UXM Volume 5 to fill the gap between vol 4 and the event omnis, I guarantee that more people would buy it.
Instead, this move has just pissed people off and made it far too confusing as to which omnibuses you need to get in order to read Claremont's X-Men, both of which means that a lot of would-be buyers aren't likely to get it at all
that's Inferno Prelude omnibus.
Bored so did the digging to find what I collected
Essentials- 94-144
Omnibus 3- Uncanny X-Men#154-175 and Annuals 6-7, God Loves, Man Kills, Wolverine #1-4, Special Edition X-Men(1983) 1, and Magic(1983) #1-4
Masterworks 10- 176-188: Magik #1-4 and material from Marvel Fanfare #40.
Epic 12- 189-198: collectsX-Men and Alpha Flight(1985) #1-2 andthe previously uncollected Nightcrawler(1985) #1-4
Uncanny X-Men: Ghosts- 199-209 &Annual 10
X-Men: Mutant Massacre Collects Uncanny X-Men (1963) #210-214, X-Factor (1986) #9-11, New Mutants (1983) #46, Thor #373-374, Power Pack (1984) #27, Daredevil #238
X-Men Milestones: Fall of the Mutants- 225-227
X-Men Milestone Inferno- X-Terminators 1-4, Uncanny X-Men (1981) 239-243, X-Factor (1986) 35-39, New Mutants (1983) 71-73
Dissolution and Rebirth Epic- 248-267
Mutant Genesis Epic- Uncanny X-Men #278–280, Annual #15, X-Factor #65–70, X-Men (1991) #1–3 and material from New Mutants Annual #7 and X-Factor Annual #6
What sucks is my gaps are generally too small to even expect collections for. Really hoping something breaks my way and I minimize double dips
Yeah that is a lot of gaps.
>What sucks is my gaps are generally too small to even expect collections for.
That's what ((was)) good about the omnis, that the gaps were getting filled but now this is a big frick you to the audience.
Pic related is what the omnis collect, the red arrows and comments on the left are gaps that needed filling to have an unbroken run from OG X-Men and all of Claremont's run.
The 6, 7 is just to indicate how these new uncanny x-men numbered volumes will basically work their way over the old event omnis so collect more X-Men overall but not all the other event stuff. Which is a double edged sword because like yeah, you might not care about Thor, Power Pack or Daredevil in Mutant Massacre, but how many New Mutant/X-Factor issues will these new numbered omnis ignore that tie into stuff? Will these just have the X-Men issues and part of the events?
What I love is that even the Epics add stuff. Like the omnis don't include some Chris Claremont Iron Fist issues that had the first appearance of Sabretooth and don't have in issues of Marvel Team Up that featured the X-Men.
So even the omnis are incomplete. Where as the epics are not as much in print as the omnis. (Aside from vol.1 epics.)
Isn't UXM Annual #10 infamous for having fricked up continuity due to Art Adams drawing it and Annual #9/New Mutants Special Edition at the same time (due to his slowness) and as such, was written when the plan was for Nimrod to kill/merge with the Fury after the fight in #209 and Mutant Massacr was going to be a mult part X-Men story with no crossover tie ins?
Kek this is X-men you're talking about. X-tinction Agenda had so many fricking continuity errors it is untrue.
For most collector autists it isn't even isn't about if the issues are good or not, it is about the fact that collected editions departments can't seem to wrap their head around just collecting the books in a decent order for them to read.
You aren't an X-Men fan. Xtinction Agenda didn't have any continuity errors or frick ups or retcons to make the plot work.
Kek what? Don't troll. I am an X-Men fan. For all the good and bad. I even like the shit parts. Also:
>The parts drawn by Bogdanove differ greatly from what Lee and Liefeld depicted.
>In the parts drawn by Liefeld and Lee, Forge has lost his bionic arm and leg; Bogdanove drew Forge with his bionic limbs still firmly intact.
>Wipeout, in the parts drawn by Liefeld and Lee, is a short man with spiky gray hair and wearing a pair of round glasses. In the parts of Bogdanove he's long haired, has a moustache and lacks the glasses.
>In the parts drawn by Liefeld and Lee Wolverine is wearing his orange and brown suit, in the parts drawn by Bogdanove he's "Patch" wearing a plaid jacket and jeans.
>When a tearful Wolfsbane gives Warlock's ashes to Boom-Boom in the scene drawn by Liefeld, she's wearing her Genosha slave outfit and has a humanoid appearance, in the Bogdanove drawn reprise of that scene she's drawn completely wolf-like wearing torn rags.
Someone makes a clear joke and you get your panties in a bunch? And he never claimed that it had plot continuity errors, but it does have plenty of visual continuity errors
Yes it is.
The original plan was that after the Hellfire Club/Nimrod fight, there would be a bunch of downtime issues with Nimrod, injured from getting the shit kicked out of him by Nimrod, coming across Fury (from Alan Moore's Jasper Warp storyline) and merging with it to use it's parts to repair itself. Also, setting up Jim Jaspers as a British ambassador to the US and him being a self-hating mutant reality warper, Polaris getting killed by the Marauders to set them up, Psylockes and Longshot settling in at the X-Mansion and making problems for Kitty and Peter (with Kitty being jealous Cypher liked Betsy and Peter being pissy that Kitty also liked Longshot), Dazzler being possessed by Malice (who would be a stand-alone villain), and the Hellfire Club/X-Men truce.
Then the Mutant Massacre would happen in Uncanny and only Uncanny and Kitty would be mortally wounded during the fight against the now upgraded Nimrod. Kitty gets shipped off to Muir Island with Longshot, Peter, and Kurt and the X-Men would deal with Lorna's death and the Marauders for the first time following the Massacre.
But Alan Moore found out they were doing a sequel to Jasper's Warp and threw a fit and the entire plotline aborted over Claremont's objections. Along the way, he decided to have Nightcrawler wounded to the point he couldn't use his powers with nearly dying in the process and moved the Morlock Massacre up a bit, let Louis Simsonon tie it into X-Factor and other books, and made the Marauders be to blame/tie in a plot he had conceived for Dazzler being possessed by a cursed neclace to the Marauders and had Lorna, instead of dying, get possessed by Malice (now a Marauder, along with Sabretooth, who was included into the Marauders at Simonsons's suggetion after Claremont complained about PAD's usage of him in Spectacular Spider-Man).
But Adams had begun work on Annual #10 before the direction of the next couple of years of X-Men stories were changed and so shit got fricked up as Adams slow speed drawing shit meant that he could not rewrite the script and had already fallen behind schedule, to the point that the issue didn't come out until January 1987!
Because of the lateness, Claremont just gave up and didn't bother including Longshot in the Mutant Massacre whatsoever and didn't have him reappear until issue #215, while at the same time not aborting the plotline about Nightcrawler being badly injured and unable to teleport without risk to his life. Even though in Annual #10, he's 100% healthy and fine.
When the story was originally reprinted in Essential X-Men, they put it as the opening story of Essential X-Men V7, in publication order (as it came out the same month as Uncanny X-Men #213 and didn't try to include in with the previous volume which reprinted Mutant Massacre). HOWEVER, in the Marvel Masterworks volume, they included it and New Mutants Annual #2 as the opening stories, even though again, it doesn't jive whatsoever with the plot point of Uncanny X-Men #210 where Kurt is still missing and is badly injured when the X-Men find him (and is still nursing his injuries prior to going off to fight the Marauders in #211).
Most fans, to be charitable for the continuity issues, put Uncanny X-Men Annual #10 and New Mutants Annual #2, inbetween Uncanny X-Men #210 and #211 and handwave that the Morlock Healer healed Kurt off-panel before the Annuals and that when Spiral reversed Mojo's alterations to the X-Men, undid the Morlock healer's healing of Kurt too. Though it still leaves the issue of Longshot's location during the Massacre unknown, though they are implying that they are finally going to acknowledge them in X-Men Legends, as there is going to be a two-part story with Longshot from this time period in the new series.
Joke's on you, I never got the event omnis but rather just the Milestone TPBs
That's cool. Some people just wanted the whole X-Men collected.
Are the milestone trades any good?
They're just tpbs collecting the core issues of the events. They're fine if you don't expect to have full context for what's happening (there's a page of text explaining what's been going on before)
Yes and no. Some are straight reissues of past trades (Mutant Massacre, Inferno) while some are incomplete reprints of omnibuses (Fatal Attraction and Phalanx Covenent), and some like Xtinction Agenda are releases of the most recent HC release (as it includes UXM #235-238).
The only one I really liked or consider a decent upgrade would be the Onslaught one. Granted it's missing X-Factor #125-126, but it's the closest we'll ever get to a proper single volume version of the Onslaught crossover in softcover.
this fricking sucks and is only going to make shit harder for people to mix and match shit, along with killing sales for the crossover omnibuses (unless they plan on re-releasing Mutant Massacre with the two annuals and several other stories that should have been included) down the line.
It's even worse given that the Mutant Massacre Masterworks volume skips New Mutants #46 (the only crossover tie-in that actually connects to the X-Men proper as far as being UXM #211.5) and won't be including Incredible Hulk #340 in next year's Fall of the Mutants volume.
Best case scenario would be one of two things:
1. They cave to fan complaints and add the two annuals
2. They stop doing Epic trades of the post Claremont stuff and start filling in those holes relating to everything between "The Gift" and "Dissolution and Rebirth" to placate people who won't continue buying the omnibuses after this bullshit.
we still don't have epic collections that fill in the gap between "I, Magneto" and "The Gift"
>1. They cave to fan complaints and add the two annuals
I want this, but would it even be possible?
It's not like there's some social media account for Marvel's collected editions department that people can voice their displeasure towards. And even then at most I feel they're just gonna tell us to suck it up and buy the books, piggy
Suddenly I'm happy I never bothered to start trying to collect X-men with these massive omnibuses. This would annoy the shit out of me.
I hate the glossy paper they print this stuff on, like at least DC stop that but Marvel still does it, like ruins the old colors making them too bright but in a perfect world both would just scan or photographic the original newsprint and print it as is with no clean up.
>just scan or photographic the original newsprint and print it as is with no clean up
That would look pretty shit though, especially if there was absolutely no clean up. I get what you're trying to go for, but most old comics need at least some restoration done to look presentable
Do what old trades did and clean it up a bit but keep the benday dots.
>look like shit
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wrong.
That's a pretty good example. I've got the Golden Age version of this Folio Society set, and it looks great.
I think it works much better for 40s-60s comics than it does for 70s onwards, though