I can't get over how much a absolute jam that intro is, I like 60's instrumental rock and goddamn every time I decide to listen to the intro for whatever reasons I can't stop. Frickin awesome song.
The local station that aired it in my area always cut the opening theme down for time so I’ve never actually seen the whole thing before. I have to say JESUS CHRIST why the frick did they think it was a good idea to do a close up shot of an eyeless Batman and Robin? This would’ve given me fricking nightmares as a kid
You've never seen the tvs they used to watch this on, if you think that the eyes would have given you nightmares.
It was Batman - IN COLOR, because people still commonly had b&w tvs still.
Not 50 inch HD screens with pause.
Still more accurate. In attitude and how they created it.
The difference is Adam Wests show treated everything like it doesnt matter. If there are any differences in B&R and Forever they are done consciously, knowing they were different, knowing in the comics things were different depending on artists/writers, with a complete respect to the comic book and comic book attitude.
They actually combed through a lot and I mean a lot of Batman comics. It's actually the only comic book film were all they did was mention the comics.
You clearly haven’t watched Adam West. It never “treats things like they don’t matter.” Everything in the Adam West show is very deliberate and very conscious, it’s based on the pop art movement, intending to painstakingly replicate the experience of reading a comic onto the screen
You should watch this, it’s very interesting. It’s a 1966 tv special on the show, they interview William Dozier, his wife, and show behind the scenes/production footage from the show
I've seen it, not past the entire last season. Where it looks like it doesnt matter is specifically with the effort they put into the costumes and other things. Batmans costume by the end is worn out and fading, they didnt even bother to make a new one, the his gloves and cowl was turning purple while his cape was still blue.
I don’t know what you’re talking about here. Frank Gorshin said the tights were unusable at the end of pretty much every filming day, and so had to be constantly replaced
Thats nice and all, but that anecdotal reply doesnt address or discredit my statement.
You can literally see the costume fading, and different parts of the costume deteriorating at different rates where the color doesnt even match. With Gorshin for his it would probably be more obvious so maybe they put more effort into his.
My eyes, common sense, and the actual show are my source.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Idk, I just don’t see it. Like, I’m looking at your gif and I just don’t see it.
But also if Frank Gorshin’s tights are wearing out and being replaced, and he only wears them half the time, Batman’s tights are definitely wearing out and getting replaced
2 years ago
Anonymous
Season 1 vs season 3
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just don’t see it
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jesus Christ bro. You can easily see the different pieces fade in color from the lights in different spots like the cowl and fingers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Compared to when its not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess I see it a bit in that pic
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can literally see the costume fading, and different parts of the costume deteriorating at different rates where the color doesnt even match.
It could probably be explained that as time went on when they had to either make new costumes or revamp older ones stuff like the dyeing process was probably more art than science and it was people in the costume department just eyeballing it, so the exact colours wouldn't always match, or something they tried making the stuff out of a different cloth, or even just a different batch and the results were varied.
It's actually his niece. It's a family film, that's why they changed it. To try to make it more personal to the story and to Batmans connection to Alfred.
They acknowledged that. Robin isnt literally made to be the actors real age. That is literally mentioned in the first film that hes not 18.
And by the second film he is wearing a literal Nightwing outfit, another comic nod, to show the split between them and hes going his own way. So yeah, it is.
I did watch it. once when I was a little kid. I thought “this is stupid.” I saw it again years later as a teenager, still thought it was stupid. Sorry I forgot how they screwed up Babs. >they changed it to try to make it more personal to the story and to Batmans connection to Alfred.
Cool. In the original comics, and the Adam West show that, y’know, invented the character, that’s not what she is. So they changed it. So it’s not comics accurate.
I don't know, you just kind of sound like a moron now.
You're judging it from a infantile point of view and a literal childs mind from when you had one (and still do I guess). Even saying a concept taken from the TV show isnt comics accurate, when its not even from the comics. Just pants on head moronic.
Barbara Gordon isn’t Gordon’s daughter in the comics? She’s Alfred’s niece? News to me
Is Bane some mook henchman to Poison Ivy in the comics too? Is that also comics accurate?
Dick wearing a Nightwing suit as Robin, you’ve already said that’s comics accurate (though for some reason I don’t recall the comic in which he does that).
Also, what comic has Two Face kill the Flying Graysons? The Flying Graysons being Dick’s mother, father, and his sister?
The comics are so different from what I remember
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah but they arent changing stuff without respect to the source, those are superficial changes.
In the TV show they changed it just to change it. In B&R they changed it being fully aware of the origins. Schumacher was well aware of Azreal Batman, the TV show, and nearly every era of the comics. His movies have more comic nods/references than any of them.
Batgirl has a purple suit in the TV show and not in the comics. And also Batman has a pocket workers belt where he doesnt have that in the comics. Those are superficial changes you can make a case arent comic accurate either. At least in B&R and Forever they are acutely aware of source, and has a much more finer attention to small details when you observe it.
They still have a ton of nods to the comics that are reference, and Bruce encompasses both modern and old comic book traits. And can be seen doing things from the comics he never did in the TV show. Batman actually looks like Batman and Bruce looks like Bruce from the comics. Gotham coloring is the same as the comics. The giant props like the giant comics dinosaur and penny are reflected in the film. The Batmobile is designed with the 1940s Batmobiles in mind primarily, not just street cars of the era like the TV show.
And the important thing is they arent just making changes to suit the real world. Every change is almost all taken from a Batman comic, and the few changes they DO make is taken with the same attitude when something is changed in a comic book.
Again, you're just going in circle no matter what's going through infintile mind. Be mad all you want at a film, you literally just come across as a stunted moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
These changes, especially to Bane and Batgirl, are far from superficial. >In the TV show they changed it just to change it.
You’re showing your ignorance here. You don’t know anything about comics at the time or the show.
The biggest change I know in the show is including Alfred, even though he had been killed off in the comics for two years, and supposedly this was a permanent change for the “Batman new look” era. This was to put the show more in line with the older comics from the 40s and 50s. Alfred’s inclusion was so beloved it changed the comics, and he was brought back from the dead. This wasn’t superficial, but it also wasn’t “just to change it.”
The changes in Batman & Robin were made because they didn’t read comics and didn’t care. >The giant props like the giant comics dinosaur and penny are reflected in the film.
Also are in the show. They literally had an episode pair written by Bill Finger, the man who put the giant props in the comic, where the Clock King traps Batman and Robin in a giant hourglass. >The Batmobile is designed with the 1940s Batmobiles in mind primarily, not just street cars of the era like the TV show.
Batman & Robin’s Batmobile looks nothing like the 40s comic, and the Lincoln Futura is not a street car. It’s a concept car, there was literally one in existence before it was modified and made into the Batmobile unrelated to this discussion, but that Lincoln Futura showed up in a movie from before becoming the batmobile. It Started With A Kiss (1959)
2 years ago
Anonymous
1) I was talking about Batgirl specifically and using that as an example for the premise.
2) The Lincoln Futura is a street car, as in a real life car that exists meant for the street taken for the show. A functional real car.
3) The Batmobile in Batman and Robin is entirely styled after the 40s Batmobile cars. If you are aware of any kind of design youd know this.
4) The Batmobiles in B&R and Forever dont exist in real life. They are made up like the Batmobiles of the 90s, and are designed with the old comics Batmobiles in mind. Again, comics inspiration first, not real life.
The more you reply the more you make my point. You are going on about real life things effecting the TV and comics instead of only the comics effecting the real life product.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are factually wrong on the Lincoln Futura. If it wasn’t a concept car with one made, maybe you can tell me how many years it sold before being taken off the market? What factories made them? How many sold per year? Google it if you don’t know, cause I want to know
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol. Are you autistic or intentionally moronic?
It's very 1940s Batmobile. The round lights, the red on it, the grill slots, the metal grill, the giant Bat on the front, the battering ram pieces, the seperated fenders and hood, its clearly inspired totally from the early 40s Batmobile more than any other Batmobile ever.
And you posted a 1950s Batmobile.
You're also being hyper autistic about the term STREET CAR. The point is that it was a REAL functioning car that existed in REAL life placated to the TV show. Not that it was a mass PRODUCTION car.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It literally looks nothing alike. Like I have my eyes and can see the two, they are nothing alike. Just as how Barbara Pennyworth is nothing like Barbara Gordon, and that semiliterate mook Bane is nothing like Knightfall Bane, and the tacticool body armor/molded fetish gear is nothing like the cloth suits Batman and Robin wear in the comics.
When you first criticized the Lincoln Futura Batmobile, you said it was “one of street cars of the era,” you clearly believed it was a common mass-produced street car. Now you’re backtracking and saying you meant it was a “real functioning car.” You realize, for the purposes of filming, every Batmobile is built as a functioning car? Burton’s, Schumacher’s, even Nolan’s tumbler was a real functioning car that exists in real life.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It literally looks nothing alike
You dont know anything about design, or originality. Seems you're just too autistic and can only think in 1:1 terms.
As for the TV show, dude it IS a Lincoln Futura. It looks like one. The Burton mobile was based off the land speed record holding cars, and looks like it. Nolans Batmobile is original but it betrays everything Batman is by trying to undersell Batman.
And yeah, every single car has to be made from an existing car chassis. Otherwise you cant make it. But because something has a chevy engine underneath, doesnt mean its a chevy. But there is a difference between making a car based on one thats real (A Lincoln Futura) as opposed to making one up using the comics as source like in B&R.
My point was its a Lincoln Futura and they used it because they thought it fit, not fabricating something from scratch.
I've proven you wrong on everything and will continue to do so while you consistenly prove wrong info. So far I proved you wrong about the low quality suits, I've proven you wrong about them just making things up for the TV show regardless to the comics, Ive proven you wrong about the Batmobile. Keep going.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wait are you not this anon
I mean yeah.
It's got the right tone, both dark and funny. The aesthetic is right, the art direction is right, entirely made to fit a comic world. Sure, Bane wasnt a goon, but as a whole it nails more comics accurate everything in general. And for one thing they changed they were true to the general premise. Down to the coloring and making it look nice.
And all the effort to get this massive bulky dude.
That’s not some other weirdo pretending to be you is it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I've proven you wrong on everything
You haven’t proven me wrong you’ve just handwaved. >Barbara Pennyworth is actually comics accurate. No it’s a superficial change
It is neither comics accurate nor superficial change.
Bane is neither comics accurate, nor superficial.
The uniform he and Robin wear aren’t comics accurate, and the changes aren’t superficial.
And now you’re telling me the Batmobile looks like the 40s comic Batmobile, and telling me “don’t trust your lying eyes” when I can SEE that they look nothing alike.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I said the movies are definetly more comics accurate in tone, direction, inspiration, art direction, and general characterization, all whole taking a few liberties. Creating things in the real world using comics as source, as opposed to just taking things from the real world and placing them into movie/TV show.
All you do is see simple one dimensional things (a color) and cant see anything else because you're brain isnt able to absorb the details.
Clooney looks like Bruce, acts like Bruce, does more things like Bruce, his mask looks more like Batman in costume, his body suit looks literally like the comic book art, has the height, etc. He checks off more comic things than 66 Batman does. He actually looks like the character come to life in costume and out. The films literally look like comics.
Where as West just looks like a dude in a cheap fading outfit. But you see the color gray and think it automatically is more comic like because of your simplistic mind.
I feel like Im just getting stupider talking to you. You're just stupid dude, became very clear when you brought up Nolan.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have literally never seen Adam West if you think it’s “taking things from the real world.” It is entirely pop art, a painstaking reproduction of the comic book into live action.
Batman and Robin is made for people who hate comics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
OK NolanBlack person, I'm happy you were made to look like a bafoon for months straight that now you're trying to shill the arguments used against you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What? Months?
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nice self portrait
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, you did a marvelous capturing your likeliness.
2 years ago
Anonymous
As for the costumes, Batman looked like a naked dude in rubber in the comics at the time. And those movies still look like comic book art in real life, as opposed to the 66 costumes which just look like cosplay.
If you cant deal with it, dont read comics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>left: cloth, like Adam West wore >right: abominable tacticool body armor like every other adaptation.
And it doesn’t even look good like Michael Keaton or Christian Bale! They at least had good looking armor. Clooney, God bless him he’s a great actor, his Batman is just creepy looking
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cloth doesnt look or work like that buddy. It looks more like comic book art.
Nolan objectively had the worst costume designers on every level, the costumes didnt even work right.
But whatever I realize no matter how wrong you get proven you just want to live in your bubble.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can look at that comic and SEE that it looks nothing like Clooney’s. Did you post this to trying “proving” your point?
>robin is a full grown man who just lives with bruce bro
Batman knows the '18 and out' nuclear family model is bullshit and he should support his ward until he can afford his own mansion instead of letting him get trapped in the predatory rental market.
In fairness, Gordon was such a non-character in those movies, I can understand why when introducing Batgirl four movies in, they changed it to connect her to someone with a bigger role.
>Creator of the show read a few silver age issues >concluded comics were stupid and embarrassing >decided to make a parody show instead because comics are dumb
>comics are stupid and embarrassing >comics are dumb
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
You guys really need to hear his actual words instead of other peoples editorializing. This interview here
You clearly haven’t watched Adam West. It never “treats things like they don’t matter.” Everything in the Adam West show is very deliberate and very conscious, it’s based on the pop art movement, intending to painstakingly replicate the experience of reading a comic onto the screen
You should watch this, it’s very interesting. It’s a 1966 tv special on the show, they interview William Dozier, his wife, and show behind the scenes/production footage from the show
https://youtu.be/rkvR4PGqBhA
Starts 4:10 ends 14:30
It’s clear he has a lot of affection for them, even though he didn’t grow up reading them and saw them as juvenile. The guy calls himself “the super bat chief” for petes same. People talk about him like he just had pure contempt for Batman and wanted to ruin him, but he even states his thought process was, if the show stuck close to the comics, it would be comedic for adults while still being exciting for kids. This is also why, aside from Frank Gorshin, he wouldn’t use comedians in the show, because he didn’t want them hamming it up and winking at the camera
I used to not get the ears with Adam West, I didn’t understand why they looked like that. I realized though, I was comparing them to the live action Batman portrayals that came later
His cowl is intended to replicate Dick Sprang’s cowl. In fact, much of the designs in Adam West’s show are attempts to bring Dick Sprang’s designs to life
That’s definitely true.
I didn’t have cable of any kind as a kid, I could only watch stuff on vhs/dvd.
The show actually only became available a few years ago, copyright issues
So when I saw Adam West growing, this was the only intro I knew https://youtu.be/JH_P83R7GNg
It's got the right tone, both dark and funny. The aesthetic is right, the art direction is right, entirely made to fit a comic world. Sure, Bane wasnt a goon, but as a whole it nails more comics accurate everything in general. And for one thing they changed they were true to the general premise. Down to the coloring and making it look nice.
And all the effort to get this massive bulky dude.
Ok I’m sorry man I thought you were serious. You really strung me along into this giant argument hahaha. You got me. If trolling was a job, you’d deserve a raise
> Only went after super-criminals, let the police handle day-to-day crime. > Supported police and local government wherever possible. > Founded and maintained an orphanage for at-risk youths. > Focused on rehabilitation of criminals after they had been captured, converted a few. > Sick dance moves
Adam West Bruce was a virile 35-40 year-old man who dedicated his life to minimizing the number of parents who get murdered in a psychologically sound way. He wasn't insane, wasn't a utilitarian robot about what cases he takes, just a rich Chad motivated by personal tragedy to be a great man.
I’ll always love the Nolan movies, but they are adaptations that change things a lot for every character.
If you want the experience of reading a Batman comic but translated to live action, you can’t do any better than Adam West’s Batman. I wish we’d get to see later Batman characters given a similar treatment, a very literal Two Face, Scarecrow, Ras Al Ghul, Man Bat, Bane, Doctor Hurt would be so neat in live action. At least we have The Dark Knight for Two Face I guess, though liberties were taken.
When I was a kid we had the Batman movie recorded on VHS. Pic related was what I thought would happen to me if I didn't drink enough water in a day, gave me nightmares a few times but also made me never go without water for too long. To this day any time someone mentions dehydration I think of this scene with the dehydrator.
I’m glad The Batman kept at it too, with the Shakespeare bust.
Also, check out Riddler’s debut comic from 1948, he floods a bank, and it ends with Batman escaping a trap by ripping up the carpeting off a floor
Clooney Batman:
Actually looks like Bruce Wayne, looks rugged
Looks like Batman in cowl, sculpt wise
Tight suit to mimick comic book look
Bruce Wayne actually dates women like in comics
Bruce Wayne does humanitarian acts and get together like in comics
Batmobile is not a real car, but like in the comics made up and styled like 40s Batmobile
90s Monochrome look
Cons:
Blue belt and symbol
Adam West
Gray Costume, yellow symbol, blue
Cons:
Workers belt that wasnt like comics
Batmobile is just a modified real car, a washed down Batmobile
I mean, he's Schumachers pretty much got him beat by a long shot comics wise. You look at a picture of Silver age Batmans face or even the old Batman cartoon and it doesnt even look like Adam West, it looks like Clooney.
Yeah some things are different, the same way an artist or writer makes a change but there are still more commonalities. Like George Clooneys symbol is just the first Batman symbol mixed in with the later round one. Its not done in a way reduce Batman, unlike Nolan films and that one hispanic homophobe that shills them on here and has been posting here.
A lot of other products tried to copy Adam west Batman immediately after the show came out and they all flopped
Even Batman only last 3 years
It’s really hard to do “camp” and have it work especially long term,
This might be why so many people disliked Thor 4. Silly/camp has a really short shelf life
Yo, I’m the anon who was defending Batman and Robin earlier.
I’m coming here to apologize, it was wrong of me. Sure, George Clooney does kinda look like Dick Sprang’s drawings of Batman, but other than that, the movie is garbage. It’s not comics accurate in any way, and it nearly killed the careers of everyone involved.
The whole film has an air of cheapness to it, and the homoerotic fetishy aspects of it really do shine through in an awful way.
As a poorgay from Columbia, American superheroes make me feel powerful. I projected onto the film, that’s the only reason I liked it.
I have chosen to stop posting on Cinemaphile, and live the rest of my life as a gay man.
Goodbye
Just stop, bro. Let the thread die, no point in continuing the fight in whatever weird persona you're putting on, impersonating others who like B&R or whatever act this is.
We get it, you're a minority and got handled by people smarter than you. You're boderline moronic we can tell.
I know that scene of Bruce and Batman having a conversation with himself (awkward sentence to formulate) is supposed to be comedic, and while it is, it also demonstrates how good an actor Adam West was. His Bruce Waybe and Batman voices are actually noticeably different, no so much in tone, but in cadence and delivery. Bruce is very musical and the words flow into one another, whereas Batman is very clipped and authoritative.
le no
some of the episodes are straight up adaptations of comic stories.
I can't get over how much a absolute jam that intro is, I like 60's instrumental rock and goddamn every time I decide to listen to the intro for whatever reasons I can't stop. Frickin awesome song.
The local station that aired it in my area always cut the opening theme down for time so I’ve never actually seen the whole thing before. I have to say JESUS CHRIST why the frick did they think it was a good idea to do a close up shot of an eyeless Batman and Robin? This would’ve given me fricking nightmares as a kid
I never thought it was creepy as a kid, just weird that they didn't color the eyes white.
Well you also have to remember televisions were about 15 inches on the diagonal at the time.
I always bring that up when people bring up Cesar Romero’s mustache. You really wouldn’t have been able to see it
You've never seen the tvs they used to watch this on, if you think that the eyes would have given you nightmares.
It was Batman - IN COLOR, because people still commonly had b&w tvs still.
Not 50 inch HD screens with pause.
Yea, This and Green Hornet.
That has to be Batman & Robin and Batman Forever
bat nipples
Still more accurate. In attitude and how they created it.
The difference is Adam Wests show treated everything like it doesnt matter. If there are any differences in B&R and Forever they are done consciously, knowing they were different, knowing in the comics things were different depending on artists/writers, with a complete respect to the comic book and comic book attitude.
They actually combed through a lot and I mean a lot of Batman comics. It's actually the only comic book film were all they did was mention the comics.
You clearly haven’t watched Adam West. It never “treats things like they don’t matter.” Everything in the Adam West show is very deliberate and very conscious, it’s based on the pop art movement, intending to painstakingly replicate the experience of reading a comic onto the screen
You should watch this, it’s very interesting. It’s a 1966 tv special on the show, they interview William Dozier, his wife, and show behind the scenes/production footage from the show
I've seen it, not past the entire last season. Where it looks like it doesnt matter is specifically with the effort they put into the costumes and other things. Batmans costume by the end is worn out and fading, they didnt even bother to make a new one, the his gloves and cowl was turning purple while his cape was still blue.
I don’t know what you’re talking about here. Frank Gorshin said the tights were unusable at the end of pretty much every filming day, and so had to be constantly replaced
Thats nice and all, but that anecdotal reply doesnt address or discredit my statement.
You can literally see the costume fading, and different parts of the costume deteriorating at different rates where the color doesnt even match. With Gorshin for his it would probably be more obvious so maybe they put more effort into his.
My eyes, common sense, and the actual show are my source.
Idk, I just don’t see it. Like, I’m looking at your gif and I just don’t see it.
But also if Frank Gorshin’s tights are wearing out and being replaced, and he only wears them half the time, Batman’s tights are definitely wearing out and getting replaced
Season 1 vs season 3
Just don’t see it
Jesus Christ bro. You can easily see the different pieces fade in color from the lights in different spots like the cowl and fingers.
Compared to when its not.
I guess I see it a bit in that pic
>You can literally see the costume fading, and different parts of the costume deteriorating at different rates where the color doesnt even match.
It could probably be explained that as time went on when they had to either make new costumes or revamp older ones stuff like the dyeing process was probably more art than science and it was people in the costume department just eyeballing it, so the exact colours wouldn't always match, or something they tried making the stuff out of a different cloth, or even just a different batch and the results were varied.
>dude batgirl is Alfred’s daughter
>robin is a full grown man who just lives with bruce bro
>this is comics accurate
Maybe actually watch the film.
It's actually his niece. It's a family film, that's why they changed it. To try to make it more personal to the story and to Batmans connection to Alfred.
They acknowledged that. Robin isnt literally made to be the actors real age. That is literally mentioned in the first film that hes not 18.
And by the second film he is wearing a literal Nightwing outfit, another comic nod, to show the split between them and hes going his own way. So yeah, it is.
I did watch it. once when I was a little kid. I thought “this is stupid.” I saw it again years later as a teenager, still thought it was stupid. Sorry I forgot how they screwed up Babs.
>they changed it to try to make it more personal to the story and to Batmans connection to Alfred.
Cool. In the original comics, and the Adam West show that, y’know, invented the character, that’s not what she is. So they changed it. So it’s not comics accurate.
I don't know, you just kind of sound like a moron now.
You're judging it from a infantile point of view and a literal childs mind from when you had one (and still do I guess). Even saying a concept taken from the TV show isnt comics accurate, when its not even from the comics. Just pants on head moronic.
Barbara Gordon isn’t Gordon’s daughter in the comics? She’s Alfred’s niece? News to me
Is Bane some mook henchman to Poison Ivy in the comics too? Is that also comics accurate?
Dick wearing a Nightwing suit as Robin, you’ve already said that’s comics accurate (though for some reason I don’t recall the comic in which he does that).
Also, what comic has Two Face kill the Flying Graysons? The Flying Graysons being Dick’s mother, father, and his sister?
The comics are so different from what I remember
Yeah but they arent changing stuff without respect to the source, those are superficial changes.
In the TV show they changed it just to change it. In B&R they changed it being fully aware of the origins. Schumacher was well aware of Azreal Batman, the TV show, and nearly every era of the comics. His movies have more comic nods/references than any of them.
Batgirl has a purple suit in the TV show and not in the comics. And also Batman has a pocket workers belt where he doesnt have that in the comics. Those are superficial changes you can make a case arent comic accurate either. At least in B&R and Forever they are acutely aware of source, and has a much more finer attention to small details when you observe it.
They still have a ton of nods to the comics that are reference, and Bruce encompasses both modern and old comic book traits. And can be seen doing things from the comics he never did in the TV show. Batman actually looks like Batman and Bruce looks like Bruce from the comics. Gotham coloring is the same as the comics. The giant props like the giant comics dinosaur and penny are reflected in the film. The Batmobile is designed with the 1940s Batmobiles in mind primarily, not just street cars of the era like the TV show.
And the important thing is they arent just making changes to suit the real world. Every change is almost all taken from a Batman comic, and the few changes they DO make is taken with the same attitude when something is changed in a comic book.
Again, you're just going in circle no matter what's going through infintile mind. Be mad all you want at a film, you literally just come across as a stunted moron.
These changes, especially to Bane and Batgirl, are far from superficial.
>In the TV show they changed it just to change it.
You’re showing your ignorance here. You don’t know anything about comics at the time or the show.
The biggest change I know in the show is including Alfred, even though he had been killed off in the comics for two years, and supposedly this was a permanent change for the “Batman new look” era. This was to put the show more in line with the older comics from the 40s and 50s. Alfred’s inclusion was so beloved it changed the comics, and he was brought back from the dead. This wasn’t superficial, but it also wasn’t “just to change it.”
The changes in Batman & Robin were made because they didn’t read comics and didn’t care.
>The giant props like the giant comics dinosaur and penny are reflected in the film.
Also are in the show. They literally had an episode pair written by Bill Finger, the man who put the giant props in the comic, where the Clock King traps Batman and Robin in a giant hourglass.
>The Batmobile is designed with the 1940s Batmobiles in mind primarily, not just street cars of the era like the TV show.
Batman & Robin’s Batmobile looks nothing like the 40s comic, and the Lincoln Futura is not a street car. It’s a concept car, there was literally one in existence before it was modified and made into the Batmobile
unrelated to this discussion, but that Lincoln Futura showed up in a movie from before becoming the batmobile. It Started With A Kiss (1959)
1) I was talking about Batgirl specifically and using that as an example for the premise.
2) The Lincoln Futura is a street car, as in a real life car that exists meant for the street taken for the show. A functional real car.
3) The Batmobile in Batman and Robin is entirely styled after the 40s Batmobile cars. If you are aware of any kind of design youd know this.
4) The Batmobiles in B&R and Forever dont exist in real life. They are made up like the Batmobiles of the 90s, and are designed with the old comics Batmobiles in mind. Again, comics inspiration first, not real life.
The more you reply the more you make my point. You are going on about real life things effecting the TV and comics instead of only the comics effecting the real life product.
You are factually wrong on the Lincoln Futura. If it wasn’t a concept car with one made, maybe you can tell me how many years it sold before being taken off the market? What factories made them? How many sold per year? Google it if you don’t know, cause I want to know
Lol. Are you autistic or intentionally moronic?
It's very 1940s Batmobile. The round lights, the red on it, the grill slots, the metal grill, the giant Bat on the front, the battering ram pieces, the seperated fenders and hood, its clearly inspired totally from the early 40s Batmobile more than any other Batmobile ever.
And you posted a 1950s Batmobile.
You're also being hyper autistic about the term STREET CAR. The point is that it was a REAL functioning car that existed in REAL life placated to the TV show. Not that it was a mass PRODUCTION car.
It literally looks nothing alike. Like I have my eyes and can see the two, they are nothing alike. Just as how Barbara Pennyworth is nothing like Barbara Gordon, and that semiliterate mook Bane is nothing like Knightfall Bane, and the tacticool body armor/molded fetish gear is nothing like the cloth suits Batman and Robin wear in the comics.
When you first criticized the Lincoln Futura Batmobile, you said it was “one of street cars of the era,” you clearly believed it was a common mass-produced street car. Now you’re backtracking and saying you meant it was a “real functioning car.” You realize, for the purposes of filming, every Batmobile is built as a functioning car? Burton’s, Schumacher’s, even Nolan’s tumbler was a real functioning car that exists in real life.
>It literally looks nothing alike
You dont know anything about design, or originality. Seems you're just too autistic and can only think in 1:1 terms.
As for the TV show, dude it IS a Lincoln Futura. It looks like one. The Burton mobile was based off the land speed record holding cars, and looks like it. Nolans Batmobile is original but it betrays everything Batman is by trying to undersell Batman.
And yeah, every single car has to be made from an existing car chassis. Otherwise you cant make it. But because something has a chevy engine underneath, doesnt mean its a chevy. But there is a difference between making a car based on one thats real (A Lincoln Futura) as opposed to making one up using the comics as source like in B&R.
My point was its a Lincoln Futura and they used it because they thought it fit, not fabricating something from scratch.
I've proven you wrong on everything and will continue to do so while you consistenly prove wrong info. So far I proved you wrong about the low quality suits, I've proven you wrong about them just making things up for the TV show regardless to the comics, Ive proven you wrong about the Batmobile. Keep going.
Wait are you not this anon
That’s not some other weirdo pretending to be you is it?
>I've proven you wrong on everything
You haven’t proven me wrong you’ve just handwaved.
>Barbara Pennyworth is actually comics accurate. No it’s a superficial change
It is neither comics accurate nor superficial change.
Bane is neither comics accurate, nor superficial.
The uniform he and Robin wear aren’t comics accurate, and the changes aren’t superficial.
And now you’re telling me the Batmobile looks like the 40s comic Batmobile, and telling me “don’t trust your lying eyes” when I can SEE that they look nothing alike.
I said the movies are definetly more comics accurate in tone, direction, inspiration, art direction, and general characterization, all whole taking a few liberties. Creating things in the real world using comics as source, as opposed to just taking things from the real world and placing them into movie/TV show.
All you do is see simple one dimensional things (a color) and cant see anything else because you're brain isnt able to absorb the details.
Clooney looks like Bruce, acts like Bruce, does more things like Bruce, his mask looks more like Batman in costume, his body suit looks literally like the comic book art, has the height, etc. He checks off more comic things than 66 Batman does. He actually looks like the character come to life in costume and out. The films literally look like comics.
Where as West just looks like a dude in a cheap fading outfit. But you see the color gray and think it automatically is more comic like because of your simplistic mind.
I feel like Im just getting stupider talking to you. You're just stupid dude, became very clear when you brought up Nolan.
You have literally never seen Adam West if you think it’s “taking things from the real world.” It is entirely pop art, a painstaking reproduction of the comic book into live action.
Batman and Robin is made for people who hate comics.
OK NolanBlack person, I'm happy you were made to look like a bafoon for months straight that now you're trying to shill the arguments used against you.
What? Months?
Nice self portrait
Yeah, you did a marvelous capturing your likeliness.
As for the costumes, Batman looked like a naked dude in rubber in the comics at the time. And those movies still look like comic book art in real life, as opposed to the 66 costumes which just look like cosplay.
If you cant deal with it, dont read comics.
>left: cloth, like Adam West wore
>right: abominable tacticool body armor like every other adaptation.
And it doesn’t even look good like Michael Keaton or Christian Bale! They at least had good looking armor. Clooney, God bless him he’s a great actor, his Batman is just creepy looking
Cloth doesnt look or work like that buddy. It looks more like comic book art.
Nolan objectively had the worst costume designers on every level, the costumes didnt even work right.
But whatever I realize no matter how wrong you get proven you just want to live in your bubble.
I can look at that comic and SEE that it looks nothing like Clooney’s. Did you post this to trying “proving” your point?
Alright.
>robin is a full grown man who just lives with bruce bro
Batman knows the '18 and out' nuclear family model is bullshit and he should support his ward until he can afford his own mansion instead of letting him get trapped in the predatory rental market.
>>dude batgirl is Alfred’s daughter
True. She would stay as Gordon's daughter. Or niece, until they change it again
In fairness, Gordon was such a non-character in those movies, I can understand why when introducing Batgirl four movies in, they changed it to connect her to someone with a bigger role.
>Creator of the show read a few silver age issues
>concluded comics were stupid and embarrassing
>decided to make a parody show instead because comics are dumb
>comics are stupid and embarrassing
>comics are dumb
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
>ends up making the best live-action batman media ever
Eat shit Christopher Nolan
You guys really need to hear his actual words instead of other peoples editorializing. This interview here
https://youtu.be/rkvR4PGqBhA
Starts 4:10 ends 14:30
It’s clear he has a lot of affection for them, even though he didn’t grow up reading them and saw them as juvenile. The guy calls himself “the super bat chief” for petes same. People talk about him like he just had pure contempt for Batman and wanted to ruin him, but he even states his thought process was, if the show stuck close to the comics, it would be comedic for adults while still being exciting for kids. This is also why, aside from Frank Gorshin, he wouldn’t use comedians in the show, because he didn’t want them hamming it up and winking at the camera
I'm the anon who said things stay the same. I'm well aware of the production of the show. I was shitposting about how comics are shit then and now.
>concluded comics were stupid
gee can't imagine why he would come to that conclusion...
I think this campy stuff is funny, but it was because of the comics code
No Batman tops Adam West!
>Batman 1950 to Neal Adms
>Batman; Year One to 2022
Maybe from back in the day, but the most accurate modern Batman would have to be the one from the LEGO Batman movie.
I used to not get the ears with Adam West, I didn’t understand why they looked like that. I realized though, I was comparing them to the live action Batman portrayals that came later
His cowl is intended to replicate Dick Sprang’s cowl. In fact, much of the designs in Adam West’s show are attempts to bring Dick Sprang’s designs to life
It's really obvious with the animated intro.
That’s definitely true.
I didn’t have cable of any kind as a kid, I could only watch stuff on vhs/dvd.
The show actually only became available a few years ago, copyright issues
So when I saw Adam West growing, this was the only intro I knew https://youtu.be/JH_P83R7GNg
Also a classic.
>there is someone calling this a comic accurate Bane on this board right now
I mean yeah.
It's got the right tone, both dark and funny. The aesthetic is right, the art direction is right, entirely made to fit a comic world. Sure, Bane wasnt a goon, but as a whole it nails more comics accurate everything in general. And for one thing they changed they were true to the general premise. Down to the coloring and making it look nice.
And all the effort to get this massive bulky dude.
Ok I’m sorry man I thought you were serious. You really strung me along into this giant argument hahaha. You got me. If trolling was a job, you’d deserve a raise
it was accurate to the comics it was trying to emulate
> Only went after super-criminals, let the police handle day-to-day crime.
> Supported police and local government wherever possible.
> Founded and maintained an orphanage for at-risk youths.
> Focused on rehabilitation of criminals after they had been captured, converted a few.
> Sick dance moves
Truly, the best version.
Adam West Bruce was a virile 35-40 year-old man who dedicated his life to minimizing the number of parents who get murdered in a psychologically sound way. He wasn't insane, wasn't a utilitarian robot about what cases he takes, just a rich Chad motivated by personal tragedy to be a great man.
He’s a wholesome guy from a time when comics were wholesome too
Plus his Robin actually likes him.
I’ll always love the Nolan movies, but they are adaptations that change things a lot for every character.
If you want the experience of reading a Batman comic but translated to live action, you can’t do any better than Adam West’s Batman. I wish we’d get to see later Batman characters given a similar treatment, a very literal Two Face, Scarecrow, Ras Al Ghul, Man Bat, Bane, Doctor Hurt would be so neat in live action. At least we have The Dark Knight for Two Face I guess, though liberties were taken.
Unironically the most comic accurate batman
Ick, comics
When I was a kid we had the Batman movie recorded on VHS. Pic related was what I thought would happen to me if I didn't drink enough water in a day, gave me nightmares a few times but also made me never go without water for too long. To this day any time someone mentions dehydration I think of this scene with the dehydrator.
Lmao
Did you realize Batman Begins nicked this plot point? The climax has a dehydration machine stolen off a ship
anon do you not understand how microwaves work
it wasn't a dehydration machine
The frick is your problem?
You being stupid.
Post face
No, because it's irrelevant to you being stupid.
Post face
Your stupid is showing again. I've already stated that I won't and explained why. Any further redundant requests will be ignored.
Post face, peckerwood
this
Joker wearing an angrier version of the '66 debut mask
TDKR's ending literally being Batman trying to get rid of a bomb
The Nolan stuff had some cheeky references.
I’m glad The Batman kept at it too, with the Shakespeare bust.
Also, check out Riddler’s debut comic from 1948, he floods a bank, and it ends with Batman escaping a trap by ripping up the carpeting off a floor
That’s hilarious.
Comic accuracy doesn't mean quality. It can enhance your enjoyment of a piece of media but it's not the only metric media is judged on.
Your movie is shit.
Not that guy but...
Hmmm... lets see...
Clooney Batman:
Actually looks like Bruce Wayne, looks rugged
Looks like Batman in cowl, sculpt wise
Tight suit to mimick comic book look
Bruce Wayne actually dates women like in comics
Bruce Wayne does humanitarian acts and get together like in comics
Batmobile is not a real car, but like in the comics made up and styled like 40s Batmobile
90s Monochrome look
Cons:
Blue belt and symbol
Adam West
Gray Costume, yellow symbol, blue
Cons:
Workers belt that wasnt like comics
Batmobile is just a modified real car, a washed down Batmobile
I mean, he's Schumachers pretty much got him beat by a long shot comics wise. You look at a picture of Silver age Batmans face or even the old Batman cartoon and it doesnt even look like Adam West, it looks like Clooney.
Yeah some things are different, the same way an artist or writer makes a change but there are still more commonalities. Like George Clooneys symbol is just the first Batman symbol mixed in with the later round one. Its not done in a way reduce Batman, unlike Nolan films and that one hispanic homophobe that shills them on here and has been posting here.
>not that guy but
>is clearly and obviously that guy
Anon this is pathetic
Kek, I really dont even know why I seriously bother with you.
Your mindless stupidity and infantile responses has been amazing.
I guess I just like making posts for other posters who arent as dumb as you.
I’m glad you dropped the pretense of being a different guy at least
Yeah, if you think that was me and whatever helps you sleep at night you low IQ 3rd World Monkey, by all means.
Symbol, for those who just like looking at interesting stuff. Looks nice.
That looks like trash, you’re not being serious are you?
Looks interesting and less coporate logo, based off the early symbol.
Samegay all you want, monkey.
Not that guy but that looks like trash, you’re not being serious are you?
You talk like a woman.
Not that anon, but I agree with him and disagree with you.
Thanks, Amanda, that was really insightful.
You’re welcome Josh, I’m glad you agree with me. Only pedophiles like nipplebats
Yeah, dont worry nobody was fooled you werent same gayging. You're simplistic sentence structure and inability to form a complex thought gave it away.
I cant wait for your kind to finally die out as a race. Stupid, bigoted, criminal, useless, annoying, and good for nothing.
A lot of other products tried to copy Adam west Batman immediately after the show came out and they all flopped
Even Batman only last 3 years
It’s really hard to do “camp” and have it work especially long term,
This might be why so many people disliked Thor 4. Silly/camp has a really short shelf life
Been watching season 1. Like how Burt Ward tried to be more active in the fight scenes. How old was Burt when he first did the show?
you could figure this out yourself with a couple quick wikipedia searches and basic fricking math
People here know that most superhero movies are storyboard heavy right? they are more faithful to the comics than people give credit
Yo, I’m the anon who was defending Batman and Robin earlier.
I’m coming here to apologize, it was wrong of me. Sure, George Clooney does kinda look like Dick Sprang’s drawings of Batman, but other than that, the movie is garbage. It’s not comics accurate in any way, and it nearly killed the careers of everyone involved.
The whole film has an air of cheapness to it, and the homoerotic fetishy aspects of it really do shine through in an awful way.
As a poorgay from Columbia, American superheroes make me feel powerful. I projected onto the film, that’s the only reason I liked it.
I have chosen to stop posting on Cinemaphile, and live the rest of my life as a gay man.
Goodbye
Just stop, bro. Let the thread die, no point in continuing the fight in whatever weird persona you're putting on, impersonating others who like B&R or whatever act this is.
We get it, you're a minority and got handled by people smarter than you. You're boderline moronic we can tell.
The thread is dead you're the one bumping it from page 9.
Also
>You're boderline moronic
The writing in the show was fricking brilliant.
Legitimately it was. I miss the way they did Catwoman, where she’s a cat-themed mob boss instead of a poor misunderstood prostitute and petty thief
I know that scene of Bruce and Batman having a conversation with himself (awkward sentence to formulate) is supposed to be comedic, and while it is, it also demonstrates how good an actor Adam West was. His Bruce Waybe and Batman voices are actually noticeably different, no so much in tone, but in cadence and delivery. Bruce is very musical and the words flow into one another, whereas Batman is very clipped and authoritative.