unpopular opinion but "evil superman" is a pretty cool premise and these characters are all very different from each other
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unpopular opinion but "evil superman" is a pretty cool premise and these characters are all very different from each other
Most people prefer evil Superman as made evident by the popularity of shows like the Boys and Invincible.
This.
They keep doing it because it's popular. Cinemaphile is just addicted to negativity so they are contrarian about anything popular. If you leave this sphere suddenly everyone is positive or neutral to these characters.
That comes from normies that haven't supersaturated by evil Superman trope because they haven't read the comics. Plus Anthony Starr is actually great in the his role.
>because they haven't read the comics.
The Boys, Injustice, and Invincible were very popular comics too. So what's the excuse there?
>The Boys, Injustice, and Invincible were very popular comics too. So what's the excuse there?
Invincible and The Boys started in the 2000s and were published by neither DC nor Marvel so casual readers were already filtered. For those that were reading at the time, the trope wouldn't have been as played out as Cinemaphile likes to b***h about today. As for Injustice, it was a tie-in comic to a very popular video game with well-recognized brand-name characters of the DC pantheon which made it an easy entry point for casuals and non-reader normies to get into (hence why the major criticism of characterizations inconsistent with established publication history was glossed over by the majority of audience).
That's because the last instance of movie Superman was too misanthropic. "Evil Superman" just goes all the way and has fun with it. People would like Superman again if Hollywood actually made a good depiction of him.
It's impossible to do Superman well in these times. 78 style wouldn't draw in the zoomies or even enough nostalgic boomers.
I strongly disagree. Just because Hollywood hasn't tried something doesn't mean it can't be popular. Hollywood's understanding of what will make money is very limited.
>78 style wouldn't draw in the zoomies or even enough nostalgic boomers.
78 style Superman is really 50's style Superman, his attitude and morals were archaic in the 70's, which were practically as nasty and divisive as today.
>Drug epidemic
>Social unrest out the ass
>strife against teh gays
>rampant inflation
>crime errywhere
>everyone butthurt over last shitty meaningless war
And on and on. Very much like today, minus social media, and the GOP had their moron-base under better control.
>People would like Superman again if Hollywood actually made a good depiction of him.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Pic related is pretty much the only one I liked.
that's evil shazam. even named him Billy
More like evil Captain Marvel Jr., but he's essentially an evil Superman, or evil Superboy if you want to get even more technical. His name is Johnny.
Based. Literally the only worthwhile character posted ITT.
>Pic related is pretty much the only one I liked.
Oh really?
Why? Elaborate
Not that guy, but KMM was probably the first modern incident of this trope, and none of those that have followed have really matched how terrifyingly brutal he was. I was never entirely sold on why he became such a psychopath, but it worked well. When he escapes and proceeds to murder the population of London over the course of a few minutes, it hits pretty hard, even today. It helps that John Totleben when all-in with the art.
I do find evil supermen plots entertaining but it's just beating a dead horse at this point. Evil supermen have become such a norm that we havent seen an optimistic or hopeful superman in mainstream media for ages
>we havent seen an optimistic or hopeful superman in mainstream media for ages
there was a cartoon and CW show
I want to see "Superman but not interested in being a hero". Not evil, not good, just a guy who wants to be left alone but heroes, villains and the government make that very difficult for him.
That was the premise of this character from Image Comics and I can't remember the name. Came out back in the 90s.
Supreme or Mr. Majestic
some dude asked on /b/ wwyd if you were supes and 20% of the answers were just this, some mf just wanted to be a firefighter or do heavy labour since there wasnt any risk for him and it payed well
I remember my answer to these kinds of questions was always to be a minor nuisance rather than a genuine threat or a hero.
Heat vision a penis scribble on Mount Rushmore? Smear literal shit over celebrity/politician faces because who the frick's gonna stop me? Fly up to the stadium during some sports match, shout racial slurs and fly away?
Dumb juvenile shit like that I can do.
I used to think about this. I feel like even if you didn't have a real weakness, the combined effort of humanity would eventually find some way to be rid of you. You'd go to bed only to find that you've been encased in 50 tons of nuclear waste in the night, or some such.
Honestly, I think before that could happen I'd probably go full-on Doctor Manhattan and leave Earth.
It's been done.
Just finished reading the whole thing. What dumb, silly, and fun read it was. I never knew what I was missing out on with a guy who just wants to be a lazy bum instead of being superman.
Found it - Major Bummer:
>Major Bummer is a humorous comic book produced by DC Comics in the late 1990s. It was created by writer John Arcudi and artist Doug Mahnke. For the series's brief run, the main character was 19-year-old Lou Martin, who Arcudi described as "smart enough that he might be able to cure cancer if he applied himself, but he'd rather use his brain to try and steal cable".
Guy basically has Superman-tier powers but can't be bothered. I wanna see this thing on the screen.
Hanwiener
No.
Every single one of these characters is mind-numbingly boring trash.
I like Superboy Prime the most
People on Cinemaphile are trained to reduce everything they dislike to a single meaningless buzzword, so pretending that all of these are nothing more than "Superman but bad" is par for the course. If you were expecting a more in-depth character analysis you came to the wrong place.
I'm tired of Evil Superman and Good Superman.
I just want a Neutral Superman.
A Superman who won't stop a rapist, or be a rapist, but catcall women and use his powers to perv on them.
Hanwiener?
Mexican Superman was the best
>I'm tired of Good Superman
>I'm tired of Evil Superman
I'm tired of Superman. Give me a hero with interesting powers, not some shitty FISS amalgamation.
How bout Skitter?
What's that?
Main character of the novel Worm aka Taylor Hebert
She’s an odd shy girl with the power to control bugs and endlessly multitask
She uses bugs in really fun ways throughout the novel and I think it deserves an adaptation. My favorite use of her powers is getting bugs to interlock into body doubles for herself
I picked up Pale after someone (probably you) posted some images from it in another thread on Cinemaphile. It's good, but I really wish it wasn't a YA novel. I don't know why the author insists on writing all these cool ass ideas as PG-13 YA shit. He's got his own website, they're his stories, and he could do whatever he wants - and he chooses to write from the perspective of tweenage girls. I guess it's what he really wants to do, so I guess I can respect it.
He relies too much on dialogue, too, which is a shame because his descriptive writing is actually very good.
What’s FISS?
It's what some people call Superman's powers.
Autistic version of "flying brick"
Did Japan do it better?
Pic unrelated, I assume?
Nah, his backstory is typical of evil Superman (or Superboy since he's a human-alien hybrid from a megacorp's project). His english VA's have been shared with Superman for decades.
In this case? Yeah, OG Sephiroth might be my favorite take on the concept though it helps that the story he was in wasn't a superhero one.
>Omni-Man
>Evil
Far better to say Nolan is a Vegeta rip off, they share more DNA at least.
>Kirkman lying about never watching DBZ
Smart enough to avoid a Diesel fiasco
No one said Evil Superman was a bad premise, just one that's been turned dull due to overuse.
>and these characters are all very different from each other
and at this point "evil superman" is a buzzword
Evil Superman isn't interesting. It's just what most people would do with superpowers. They'd act selfishly and violent and would be a massive hindrance on people just trying to live their everyday lives. The only thing interesting about a Superman type character is when he does anything BUT turn Evil.
OP and people like OP are just fricking boring. They like boring things.
>NOOOOOOO
Actually I can't even be bothered mocking you.
The only boring homosexual here is you.
Flatscans like you are the reasons modern writers lean on "le subversive twist" so much.
I still think Zod is the pinnacle of the idea. Makes Kal look like a child playing superhero. Though that is the extent of his character.
If you really want to lean into the idea, make him a likeable anti-christ in a world where only the reader feels something is wrong.
I trust Gunn to deliver us Megaton-Superman.
A hapless, good-natured idiot (one of 3 Gunn archetypes).
Raised on some Kansas farm Cargill hasn't bought yet to be a nuclear weapon..
Gunn hasn't made any good capeshit movies yet. Why have faith in him now?
>pretty cool premise
>very different from each other
How is Brightburn like Omniman?
Where's Captain Hero?
You can smell the Indian third world mentality from here.
Indians hate evil Superman, they constantly seethe about him. “He is symbol of hope you bastard, rewatch man of steel saar, do not redeem injustice saar”
Omniman is more General Zod than Evil Superman.
Superman has a villain powerset. Invincible, highly destructive, can be harmed by one specific mcGuffin. It's an awkward powerset for the hero, because heroes need to have significant adversity to overcome, so you either need to make his powers irrelevant (Than why have them) or put out someone even more powerful until nothing makes sense anymore.
What I think is lame about evil Supermen, is that they are still morally segregated into the same hero-villain duality. Ask instead what is Superman's stance on Palestine.
Evil Superman predates good superman
Superman the character is actually a subversion of the older evil superhuman trope.
TV show homelander is great. Don't really care for the rest.
I liked the Superman expy in the Amazon Tick show. He wasn't intentionally malicious, he was just too egotistical and lost in his own world. Which seems like a more realistic outcome of someone getting lost in their own power. Not edginess and desire to hurt people for the sake of hurting people.