I actually agree. He occasionally can’t stick the landing and will have an underwhelming ending *cough* Rorschach *cough*, but when he does he crushes. I can’t think of anyone in the industry that writes well defined female characters and relationships more realistically than him and The Human Target, Vision and the high points of his Batman run will be etched into my mind forever.
Also, while kind of shitting the bed, Rorshach had its moments and is a worthwhile read
I actually agree. He occasionally can’t stick the landing and will have an underwhelming ending *cough* Rorschach *cough*, but when he does he crushes. I can’t think of anyone in the industry that writes well defined female characters and relationships more realistically than him and The Human Target, Vision and the high points of his Batman run will be etched into my mind forever.
Also, while kind of shitting the bed, Rorshach had its moments and is a worthwhile read
Tini Howard’s ExCalibur, X of Swords event and subsequent work is among my favorite Krakoa-era X titles. I think that she crafted a good fantasy story that stood out from the other titles.
-Frank Millers Batman work is boring and ugly
-Rob Liefeld Bad Blood Deadpool comics are goated
-Tim Sheridans Green Lantern without the controversy manufacturing is just a mid 5.5/10 gay romance comic with a superhero skin suit
-Crowdfunding is a moronic business model and is totally unsustainable in a world where free weekly manga is available on every device on earth
-In 2023 the overwhelming majority of big 2 titles are not blatantly “woke”. The quality might be inconsistent and it does happen, but the are mostly throwing right down the middle with the talent they can afford
-Tom Kings Wonder Woman has been a banger so far
-The “golly gee willickers, Batman” comics all of the old heads pretend to enjoy are terrible and don’t hold a candle to most current era comics
-Dan Slotts Spider-Man isn’t that bad.
-Green Arrow is a shit character
Wow, this is the first one of these kinds of threads I've ever seen where there are actually unpopular opinions here
I want to throttle all of you, digitally speaking
>And no, Mister Miracle sucked
Nah it was actually good. Better than anything with Shilo as Mr. Miracle, bar Morrison.
Neil Gaiman's insistence on discarding his character's original backstories (eg Kirby Sandman -> Morpheus and whatever the frick he was thinking with the Eternals) makes him the worst writer out of the British invasion by a long shot.
Milligan, Millar, Morrison and Moore managed to take the original concepts and expand upon them, but all Gaiman can do with the superheroes he was given was turn them into OC's and shit on the preceding writers.
It's made even worse with his b***hing and moaning whenever somebody thinks to use his characters after the fact, like him basically blacklisting Cornell after Death showed up in Action Comics despite the fact that he turned Kirby's characters into psychopaths for no reason other than to prop up his own versions.
Gaiman did the same thing in "What Happened to the Caped Crusader", where he has Alfred and his actor buddies be Batman's rogues gallery. Exact opposite of what Moore did in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, which sought to be a capstone and integration of Superman's history.
>Gaiman did the same thing in "What Happened to the Caped Crusader", where he has Alfred and his actor buddies be Batman's rogues gallery
Did you even read the story? The point is that it's a bunch of mutually exclusive stories about Batman. That's just one possibility that's presented.
>That's just one possibility that's presented.
And it's fricking moronic and the exact sort of obnoxious shit that the post above mine was complaining about.
I actually agree. He occasionally can’t stick the landing and will have an underwhelming ending *cough* Rorschach *cough*, but when he does he crushes. I can’t think of anyone in the industry that writes well defined female characters and relationships more realistically than him and The Human Target, Vision and the high points of his Batman run will be etched into my mind forever.
Also, while kind of shitting the bed, Rorshach had its moments and is a worthwhile read
I feel that one's enjoyment of King's work hinges on how well you know a character and how much of King's body of work you've read. Someone like me who loves Kyle Rayner is obviously not going to like Omega Men much, however some one who doesn't know shit about Kyle will come out loving it. He writes good stories, but his grasp of the characters is very poor. Also the more you read the more you see how limited his scope is and you like his works less and less.
Awkward Zombie sucks and somehow gets a pass for the "LOL VIDYA GAEMS NOT LIEK REEL LIFE" shit that many many other webcomics got shit for
OG Teen Titans show wasn't good
KFP 1 > KFP 2
Disney's 00's dark age wasn't that bad, Chicken Little was fine even if it was basically a Dreamworks film
Kataang > Zutara
Dark Crystal Age of Resistance was better than the og film (Kind of have a hard time believing this myself, but watching the netflix series and going back to the movie shows how much of a leap practical effects and puppetry have taken when people put money and time in it. Even with its issues I think it arguably comes out on top)
I genuinely enjoy Cinemaphile overall. Some boards are better than others and there's a ton of shit threads but I find just enough gems in the shit to make me enjoy my time here.
I think Cinemaphile is fricking hilarious and I laugh at least multiple times a day browsing this board. I genuinely have fun complaining about dumb cartoon bullshit for days on end. Talking about how Magnifico did nothing wrong and watching the "Evil Queen" memes pop up is a lot of fun for me.
Love/hate maybe?
I'm a newbie but I don't think I've ever fit in a community as well as the boards/generals I browse, except for some small discord servers. It is what it is I guess.
I agree, /comics/ is pretty good.
Shame have to share a board with children/morons that are here for cartoons tho.
And they have the nerve to turn to claim small horse show was the worst ever, when it was better than 98% of /cac/ shit.
>Cinemaphile: cortoons and camics
Lie to yourself all you want, but what the board basis is remains the same.
Cartoongays really should frick off, at their absolute best they’re only as dumb as the average capeshitter.
It's the only big community I really know dedicated to non-anime cartoons. Plus I like the casual atmosphere and ability to gush over cute lil gals (platonically)(I have OCD)
It's fine. I've seen a lot of anons call this the worst board, but every board thinks that. This is a kindergarten playground relative to the real tire fires.
I browse plenty boards, and I think /vr/'s the worst since it has all the bad aspects of Cinemaphile (and even here to some degree), but with little to none to the good of either.
Yeah imagine being in your 30s and being on here. I wonder what level of neet you have to be to get to that point. It be even worse if it was a female. Like damn
I’ve tried discord and all sorts of other sites. I just can’t leave. I hate not being anonymous. I don’t even really say edgy shit and stuff, I just don’t like the idea of a bunch of strangers I will never meet a ting like they know me or that they’re opinion of who I am matters. But enough of my diary posting.
Tini Howard’s ExCalibur, X of Swords event and subsequent work is among my favorite Krakoa-era X titles. I think that she crafted a good fantasy story that stood out from the other titles.
-Tim Sheridans Green Lantern without the controversy manufacturing is just a mid 5.5/10 gay romance comic with a superhero skin suit
-Crowdfunding is a moronic business model and is totally unsustainable in a world where free weekly manga is available on every device on earth
-In 2023 the overwhelming majority of big 2 titles are not blatantly “woke”. The quality might be inconsistent and it does happen, but the are mostly throwing right down the middle with the talent they can afford
-Tom Kings Wonder Woman has been a banger so far
-The “golly gee willickers, Batman” comics all of the old heads pretend to enjoy are terrible and don’t hold a candle to most current era comics
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Wow, this is the first one of these kinds of threads I've ever seen where there are actually unpopular opinions here
I want to throttle all of you, digitally speaking
There are a handful of mainstream creators with niche properties who were able to bring a small fandom over to crowdfunding like Pulido, but those are few and far between. Also, for being crowdfunding a biggest success story, the guy has like 3k customers, who while loyal, isn’t sustainable long term. If your entire customer base could die in a single carnival cruise disaster, you might need to rethink your model.
It’s even worse for the culture war crowdfunders. Those people are selling entirely on manufactured outrage and seemingly few, if any, customers are even reading the books.
There may be 2-3 crowdfunders who can support themselves for the next 20 years, but it will always be irrelevant to the greater sequential art storytelling medium because it’s fricking moronic. 50$ comics that release 1x per year, are usually print only and sell to people who don’t read them. Good luck with that business model
Name 100. Plenty would means hundreds so surely you can name 100. And by living I mean 70K a year and up PROFIT.
That’s what I’m saying. EVS and Eric July are losing 40% of their customers and contributions every campaign, so fanning the flames of the culture war definitely isn’t a sustainable way to sell comics. But the real problem is that I can read unlimited manga on SJ 3$ and buy a huge stack of manga volumes for next to nothing. How can comics and particularly the much worse value of crowdfunded comics ever compete. Also, I get more manga chapters every week. I get more crowdfunding story maybe once per year.
Frick that shit. It’s shitting the bed faster than the direct comic market and that’s saying something. It’s the worst business model ever. Full stop.
I posted in the DC collected editions thread earlier about how their prices are just absurd. 40-50 dollars for 200-300 page books that long ago returned initial investment while you can get tonkobon manga volumes for like 9.99-11.99 for just about the same pages.
They need to stop fleecing people and start making products that can be bought and read. No more artists editions (or just much MUCH less of them) no more hard covers. Comics need to be consumable not fricking collectors items.
Image is probably eating DC and Marvels lunch with those Invincible, Walking Dead and Spawn compendiums. They are like 50 issue collections and the soft backs are like 30-40 bucks on Amazon. I know Todd wants me actually reading. They also have the entire collection of multiple series (Invincible and TWD included) available on GlobalComix.
5 months ago
Anonymous
DC and Marvel are seemingly run by people who have never, ever in their lives bought of a comic of any format. They simply do not understand the consumer, the consumer’s behavior and the consumer experience. They don’t understand the product, the release schedule, the benefits and pitfalls of different formats. It’s just, top to bottom, run by absolute normies. And that’s a major fricking problem.
This is an unpopular opinion thread but I think you and I have stumbled into flat out fricking universal truth territory kek
>-The “golly gee willickers, Batman” comics all of the old heads pretend to enjoy
Do they? I really don't think this is a thing. Most people seem to agree that 50s-60s Batman is a low point for the character, interesting only for the sheer weirdness of the stories. Saying 50s Batman has some crazy shit isn't the same as saying it's good. I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend that era on the merits, everyone agrees that 70s Batman was the return to being actually good.
>golly gee willickers, Batman
Nothing wrong with not liking old comics, but this just shows that your concept of old Batman comics is based entirely on the TV show, which was way campier and sillier.
>Crowdfunding is a moronic business model and is totally unsustainable in a world where free weekly manga is available on every device on earth
Anon, people tried the "give comics away for free, upsell on merch and collected editions" business model, it was called webcomics and it was destroyed by the rise of the big social media platforms. Crowdfunding may not be particularly great business model, but if you can think of a better way to monetise small but high engagement audiences I'd like to hear it.
No, but as your show proves, any show that gets 95% of its fandom solely and only for having gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans, nonbinary, White, black, asian, hispanic, alien main characters, especially after its revealed 8 months after it first aired, is likely a bad show
The Owl House in my opinion is a good show, and it sounds like in your opinion is a bad show. Neither of us are going to change our mind.
It also exposed Disney as fake "allies"
That is true but shouldn't be surprised, they are a corporation and their sole interest is profitability and will drop anything that isn't. They aren't an ally to anyone
And I don't think it got canned because it had gays, Disney is trying to push that shit in their mainline films now so it doesn't make much sense. I think it had to do with not being profitable in a certain way or certain demographic alongside the internal and external corporate headaches of working with the creator
>does not make it automatically bad.
Automatically? Of course not. But to be the kind of braindead homosexual who can't tell ANY story without cramming in a troony or some teenaged lesbians who are literally just self-inserts for members of the production crew, it usually means that the rest of the story won't be good either. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Where there's trannies, there's bad storytelling. Approach with caution. Do not be surprised when it all goes to shit.
I liked the lesbian stuff but the owl house suffers from having an inconsistent art style, and under explored world, and some pacing issues. Also many redundant characters - you could remove Boscha and Gus with no problem imo
it doesn't automatically makes it good either and it is often used as a escape goat for bad writing and EGS funding, which is why is is a good indicator to avoid media that portrays them.
/misc/ conspiracy theory that recent trends in media are driven by investment decisions in media companies looking to maximise non-financial Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) investment metrics to look good for their shareholders, which they of course attribute to gay/israeli/lizardpeople conspiracy.
5 months ago
Anonymous
everyone knows it is not a conspiracy. it is obvious to anyone
I do agree. I think the issue with most "woke" plotlines like the ones you highlighted isn't the politics themselves, but rather how one note and repetitive they are. Take that new show with Matt Bomer. Forget it's name but nothing it is doing hasn't been done go death with gay leads. People were open and sympathetic at first, now they're bored.
Light-hearted comedies becoming dark and lore-filled is cool and I'm tired of pretending it's not. If I went back in time and told a younger me what would become of Billy from Adventure Time or how dark the history of the citadel of Ricks was, it would have blown my mind. Watching a show "grow up" alongside you will always be fun and I'm starting to think that a large number of people who have such disdain for it are the kind that fear change much like how a Cinemaphile user would feel unease and despair upon reuniting with long lost friends only to find that they've all outgrown their younger phase where they found saying the word Black person to be the height of comedy. I enjoyed episodic shows like SpongeBob, Ed, Edd, n Eddy, and the like growing up as much as the next guy but the 2010s era of storytelling was something special that I'm still not tired of.
>how dark the history of the citadel of Ricks was, it would have blown my mind.
Rick and Morty was never light-hearted. It was a black comedy that lost its novelty since season 2.
I feel like Cinemaphile is sort of getting it wrong when they say cartoons becoming lore based is a bad thing.
Using Adventure Time as an example, the show was even starting to introduce lore elements back in season 2.
The problem isn't shifting focus to introduce lore, it's just that a lot of shows that do it (including Adventure Time) botch the execution of the lore stuff compared to the lighthearted earlier stuff. But if it is done well, it can be great.
In fact, I'd wager that a lot of universally well-liked cartoons on Cinemaphile do a similar transition, like Beast Wars. It started out more comedic and transitioned to drama and fleshed out the backstory over time. And it was kino.
That's not an unpopular opinion.
Harley is a genuienly good character. She's simple on the surface, but a lot more complex than secondaries give her credit for.
>Harley is a genuienly good character. She's simple on the surface, but a lot more complex than secondaries give her credit for.
Having her character change wildly depending on who is writing her and if she has a movie or game coming out does not make her complex.
Death of the Author is both false and harmful. One of the obvious effects is the empowerment of shippers. First actual writers started pandering to them then shippers started writing with their shitty mindset.
I'll take yours a bit farther and say that deconstructionist criticism is mostly shit and an excuse for schizos to push blatant headcanons as legitimate takes on a piece of media.
This has very little to do with Death of the Author. You're confusing the actual concept of Death of the Author with what the internet has bastardized it to mean.
>Proper use of "Death of the Author"
The concept that an author's intentions and external comments should have no bearing on the interpretation of their fiction. Essentially, the idea is that an author's interpretation is not authoritative; the text speaks for itself. For instance, if the text suggests that curtains are blue, but the author later claims they intended them to be red, the author's latter assertion is disregarded in favor of the text's original depiction.
>"Death of the Author" as used Online
Often used in discussions where an author's personal controversies arise, this interpretation is used to justify continued enjoyment of a work despite the consumer disagreeing with or disapproving of its creator's actions or views. It serves as a rationale for separating the creator from their creation to resolve the moral dilemma of appreciating the work while condemning the creator.
There are functionally 2 different interpretations of the term, so which do you mean?
>The concept that an author's intentions and external comments should have no bearing on the interpretation of their fiction.
False. It is a denial that the author actually even wrote the thing and deluding yourself into believing in meta-physical bullshit like collective human subconsciousness, muses, and/or divine inspiration. >Essentially, the idea is that an author's interpretation is not authoritative; the text speaks for itself. >interpretation
You act like it sprouted from the aether. >For instance, if the text suggests that curtains are blue, but the author later claims they intended them to be red, the author's latter assertion is disregarded in favor of the text's original depiction.
That essay was written before Twitter existed.
>Often used in discussions where an author's personal controversies arise, this interpretation is used to justify continued enjoyment of a work despite the consumer disagreeing with or disapproving of its creator's actions or views. It serves as a rationale for separating the creator from their creation to resolve the moral dilemma of appreciating the work while condemning the creator.
The same fricking thing.
Nta, You're not really winning me over tbh, the problem here is that hyper focusing on the authors meaning being absolute would then lead people to then try and interpret what the author is trying to say
Interpretation isn't the problem here, ittthe homosexuals that unironcally use "codding"
>the problem here is that hyper focusing on the authors meaning being absolute would then lead people to then try and interpret what the author is trying to say
Well if a book written before 9/11, there is no reason to assume that it was an analogy to 9/11. By definition, the author wrote the book. Barthes wanted to replace the word "author" to "scriptor" as if the someone is reading off some tablets in a hat. You are denying causality for headcanon.
>False. It is a denial that the author actually even wrote the thing and deluding yourself into believing in meta-physical bullshit like collective human subconsciousness, muses, and/or divine inspiration.
you are going to prove the Roland Barthes who coined the term believed this because otherwise you are participating in death of the author and proving their point.
>you are going to prove the Roland Barthes who coined the term believed this because otherwise you are participating in death of the author and proving their point.
Then read the damn essay. Or do you morons don't practice what you preach? see
>Just like the concept, the name should focus on the reader, and the power they have over their own interpretation, instead of focusing on the author. >Hell, it could just have been called Eye of the Beholder, and most people would understand what was meant.
But the concept of Death of the Author is the Death of the concept of an author.
You can find it online. As for why I say that, it is simply taking his text to its logical conclusion. Why does bringing up folk stories and oral history hurt the legitimacy of authorship or make any meaningful point at all? It only makes sense if you believe that the work of fiction would exist without the author. It would be like using the absence of modern courts to hurt the legitimacy of authorship or to say that Penicillin not being discovered before 1928 hurts the legitimacy of germ theory.
>Proper use of "Death of the Author"
The concept that an author's intentions and external comments should have no bearing on the interpretation of their fiction. Essentially, the idea is that an author's interpretation is not authoritative; the text speaks for itself. For instance, if the text suggests that curtains are blue, but the author later claims they intended them to be red, the author's latter assertion is disregarded in favor of the text's original depiction.
>"Death of the Author" as used Online
Often used in discussions where an author's personal controversies arise, this interpretation is used to justify continued enjoyment of a work despite the consumer disagreeing with or disapproving of its creator's actions or views. It serves as a rationale for separating the creator from their creation to resolve the moral dilemma of appreciating the work while condemning the creator.
There are functionally 2 different interpretations of the term, so which do you mean?
I thought Death of the Author referred to interpreting or analyzing a work after the author had literally died and could no longer offer clarification or addendums
>Proper use of "Death of the Author"
The concept that an author's intentions and external comments should have no bearing on the interpretation of their fiction. Essentially, the idea is that an author's interpretation is not authoritative; the text speaks for itself. For instance, if the text suggests that curtains are blue, but the author later claims they intended them to be red, the author's latter assertion is disregarded in favor of the text's original depiction.
>"Death of the Author" as used Online
Often used in discussions where an author's personal controversies arise, this interpretation is used to justify continued enjoyment of a work despite the consumer disagreeing with or disapproving of its creator's actions or views. It serves as a rationale for separating the creator from their creation to resolve the moral dilemma of appreciating the work while condemning the creator.
There are functionally 2 different interpretations of the term, so which do you mean?
fricking this. People are allowed to read meaning into things, but most of the time the author has a meaning that they wrote in. DotA is just an excuse for literary critics to ascribe new meaning to text that has been understood forever. Essentially job security for people who are paid to complain about stories.
Adventure Time, Gumball and any of the other modern cartoons made for moronic children and adult autists are all unwatchable and an insult to brilliant animators like Ralph Bakshi, Fleischer, and Bluth that pushed the boundaries of the medium with mature themes and brilliant stories. These modern moron shows appeal to a wide demographic, but always the lowest common denominator and as far as I can see exist solely for the purpose of infantilizing adults.
I love how "deliberate infantilization of the audience as a means of control within late stage capitalism" theory has slowly become more and more commonplace in discourse surrounding pop culture
The audience infantilized themselves. The sad truth is that people want this. More complex and mature works still exist, people just choose not to engage with them.
>Cherry picking genuinely good things from the past to cynically prop up the past as great, while in reality the good things mentioned were the outliers, not the norm. >talking about modern things as ungodly bad in a generic detached way that doesn't really talk about them but mainly uses them as vehicle to play armchair intellectual.
Anon, this isn't an "unpopular" opinion; this is the narrative Co. and many other boards blindly believed in from the very conception of this website.
>Sonic is better as a lighthearted comedy.
That's unpopular? I always like some levity in my Sonic, especially when Eggman has some comic relief robot minions (Scratch/Grounder, Orbot/Cubot, hell, even the guys from X)
>That's unpopular?
Sonic fans prefer the more shonen inspired tone from the Adventure games or the wartime feel of Archie/SatAM. Forces was a step in that direction but it had its own problems.
I feel like a real unpopular opinion for that time would be saying Regular Show's mordicai arcs were actually bearable.
I do think they were slightly bearable in a Schadenfreude way, but I'm not one to die on that hill. A hill I'm willing to die on is that just because the soda=beer didn't really tip it over into "this is super adult" territory.
Eh I don't really know, I would just say the discourse after the end of regular show just acted like they got away with stuff (soda being beer, "wow Mordicai and Rigby are like potheads in a pothead movie", and violence), but really I just consider it "adult" when they got the relationships right, like with Rigby and Eileen. When it was the Mordicai's failed love quests, it just felt childish to me.
I'm not saying being a bit childish is a bad thing, but when you act like every episode is "deeper" due to some adult themes, it just feels a tad stupid to do.
I agree that the series isn't really mature, but the truth is that most young adults are idiots anyway.
But I do think Regular Show is "adult" in the sense that it has a style of comedy and story that appeals to (some, usually young,) adults. The point of "soda=beer" is that it feels like an adult cartoon barely disguised as a kids cartoon.
Season 5 & 6 are decent seasons when you actually watch them fully, instead of picking one or two eps and not liking them and calling those seasons shit you moron
Most of those eps are few in far between in the later seasons especially in season 6 first half just watch the eps that dont revolve around the meta which are plenty anon
My unpopular opinion is that you should never be allowed to discuss animation in any context if you're moronic enough to refer to le wacky cartoony expressions as "trying to make their own internet memes"
You know, I hadn't considered that first point, but I think I agree. For all the good it did, the British Invasion kind of did kill English language comics.
How? It was the American industry's moronation that killed itself, specifically feeding the speculator boom that blew up the industry in the 90s and never moving past the direct market model that doomed American comics to slowly die in the comic shop ghetto.
>Crowdfunding is a moronic business model and is totally unsustainable in a world where free weekly manga is available on every device on earth
This isn't an opinion, it's a demonstrably untrue fact. There are plenty of creators who make a living off of crowdfunding services like Patreon.
Crowdfunders are “pulling up” on the mainstream by doing all of the exact same things that has caused the market to implode. “Hey we have variant scams, exorbitant prices, sales only available in a hyper niche marketplace, inconsistent quality, and a focus on speculators over readers also. Buy from us and defeat the comic industry”
I didn't say it was the British who killed it, just the British Invasion. Amd more from the creative side of things, not the sales. The Brits were really good on their element, as seen by 2000 AD, but not long after they began interacting with American business culture it seems like both halves of the Atlantic lost their good points and combined their bad ones.
Neil Gaiman's insistence on discarding his character's original backstories (eg Kirby Sandman -> Morpheus and whatever the frick he was thinking with the Eternals) makes him the worst writer out of the British invasion by a long shot.
Milligan, Millar, Morrison and Moore managed to take the original concepts and expand upon them, but all Gaiman can do with the superheroes he was given was turn them into OC's and shit on the preceding writers.
It's made even worse with his b***hing and moaning whenever somebody thinks to use his characters after the fact, like him basically blacklisting Cornell after Death showed up in Action Comics despite the fact that he turned Kirby's characters into psychopaths for no reason other than to prop up his own versions.
>him basically blacklisting Cornell after Death showed up in Action Comics despite the fact that he turned Kirby's characters into psychopaths for no reason other than to prop up his own versions.
is that why Paul Cornell no longer does any comic work?
No? He did work on the New 52 after the Black Ring, which was frankly better than any of Gaiman's recent work.
Gaiman (allegedly) called the editors at DC and got into a screaming fit about The Black Ring, since he believed that there was an obligation to ask his permission before his characters were used.
Obviously this wasn't a legally binding agreement but Gaiman believes that he is super special out of all the Big-Two writers and his characters are under protection in spite of being adaptations of previously existing concepts. He apparently specifically wanted Cornell buried. This is all just gossip from forums at the time where someone who was most likely Cornell himself complained about the situation anonymously.
So Cornell got taken off Action and the Batman work he was doing and got relegated to the shitlist Z-tier characters (which he did a great job at despite editorial fricking him over on Demon Knights) and eventually just quit and went back to novels and TV because he knew he'd never get any significant work with Gaiman threatening to blacklist DC if Cornell continued on.
You jive turkey, if you go on Gaiman's site he outright says that if you want to use the Endless characters they belong to DC and not him so you don't have to ask but writers still do out of respect. Anyway, straight from Cornell's mouth
https://insidepulse.com/2010/07/09/neil-gaimans-sandman-sibling-returns-in-paul-cornells-action-comics/ >“I’m very pleased that, after I ran the idea by him, Neil Gaiman approved me using Death in this issue. He’s been very supportive.
He didn't like the way Weisman used Death in Captain Atom because he treated her as one of many grim reapers instead of as the concept of Death but nothing happened beyond that. I guess you're so used to american writers like Byrne or Waid or Bendis and how they scream like children but the british guys are generally chill, even Moore's attitude is mostly "just leave me alone" and not autistic crying and shouting.
So, back to you being a shit peddler, why do you """people""" do this? Just come to Cinemaphile to write made up shit and pass them off as fact? Mental illness? Your life sounds very sad.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You're not supposed to post source on Cinemaphile. That's not how we do things around here.
Not commenting on your opinions, but literally no one has ever praised 90s Image/Extreme books for their writing (outside of the handful of issues where they brought in big names like Moore to guest).
Anon people are CONSTANTLY talking about how much better nineties comics are and it’s not limited to the art. People genuinely act like Lee and McFarlane and Robinson were fantastic writers.
The Castlevania show would have been good if it wasn't called Castlevania. It's got so little to do with what it's based on that it would've been unironically a pretty great cartoon if it had stood on its own legs.
Dreamworks mostly sucks but the HTTYD trilogy mogs everything Pixar has ever made. Even the weakest film in the trilogy (2) is better than every Pixar film.
Average Cinemaphile user is so low IQ that there's really no point in even trying to discuss anything seriously here unless you are feeling lucky and hoping to find the one or two other anons of average-to-moderate intelligence on this entire site, and somehow Cinemaphile is even worse. You can't call certain things mediocre, even if you substantiate your opinion, without some psychotic homosexual climbing up your ass and throwing a tantrum in the thread for days, all because they have an autistic fixation on some minor, poorly written character in that show.
>You can't call certain things mediocre, even if you substantiate your opinion, without some psychotic homosexual climbing up your ass and throwing a tantrum in the thread for days, all because they have an autistic fixation on some minor, poorly written character in that show.
I get what you're saying, but at the same time people just tossing out "mid" has become so common as to be meaningless. If you've got an argument as to why, sure, but it's become the default reaction for morons who can't otherwise express themselves.
If someone says something stupid, no one is required to start acting like a giant homosexual because they're annoyed that no one wants to write them a doctoral thesis about why some shitty disney cartoon isn't objectively amazing.
I think about this a lot
Particularly when a series does something poorly or controversial, negative pushback comes in, and then fans deflect by blaming a producer to defend a developer. All the bad things that come through a show/game/movie are cause of the producers.
But when things go right, it's all from the devs solely. The whole developer/producer dynamic is mentioned nowhere.
The worst thing that happens on Cinemaphile is that you'll take your time and write a meaningful post, listing critiques and then the person you were arguing with either disappears or just says "well that's just your opinion" or some shit like that. Of course discussion dies down when this becomes the norm and people would rather say something is "mid" than put effort when the person you are "conversing" with is a monkey that can only reply with "stfu u wrong"
>explain yourself clearly, repeatedly, over several posts and replies, responding to specific complaints and assertions >they either pretend not to understand or continue to kick and scream as if you've said something you never said and was never posted in the thread >they'll default to assuming every reply is from a single anon, usually one that they are convinced is the only guy on the entire site who dislikes their precious favorite show >even if multiple anons show up to argue, they'll all be labeled as samegayging by the anon spastically lashing out at anyone who says anything vaguely negative about their emotional support cartoon >this can go on for hours or days in some cases
>explain yourself clearly, repeatedly, over several posts and replies >they'll default to assuming every reply is from a single anon
Oh I wonder why.
I can clearly see when the writing style is the same across multiple posts you moron. If you think this doesn't happen, you underestimate the autism here.
No one has any idea what you're talking about, but congratulations on being the exact thing being discussed.
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Anonymous
I'm talking about autists who dump a million repetitive answers on a discussion and pretend they're the majority opinion.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You've done exactly what is being described. To the tee. We're not even discussing anything specific and you're just right here seething about samegays ruining conversations because you believe any post you don't agree with is one guy.
5 months ago
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You said "No one has any idea what you're talking about" despite being the only one answering me. You actually have the delusion that the majority of anons have your opinions.
You even let it slip like I pointed out before:
>explain yourself clearly, repeatedly, over several posts and replies >they'll default to assuming every reply is from a single anon
Oh I wonder why.
I can clearly see when the writing style is the same across multiple posts you moron. If you think this doesn't happen, you underestimate the autism here.
5 months ago
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>You actually have the delusion that the majority of anons have your opinions.
This right here. I'm aware we're having a back-and-forth reply chain, but what you're doing is jumping to a wild conclusion because you think I'm someone who "dumps millions of replies on a discussion" because you've schizophrenically jumped to the conclusion that I must be that one exact anon you hate, who is everywhere.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You might not even be one of those guys but you already made some suspicious slips and are defending them anyway
5 months ago
Anonymous
We're not even discussing anything but the posts in this thread and you've convinced yourself this is some grand scheme to force Cinemaphile to believe opinions that haven't even been stated.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Grand scheme? No, it's just annoying morons shitting up threads.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Gonna let you in on a secret: It's you. You're the morons.
>Average Cinemaphile user is so low IQ that there's really no point in even trying to discuss anything seriously here
The ask was "unpopular opinions"; not "obvious statements of fact."
I don’t know what the consensus on this is so I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion or just a regular opinion. Maybe it’s too niche for anyone to even give a shit about, but the “League of Justice” Elseworlds story is simultaneously one of the worst comics I have ever read but it’s visually stunning. It took me two weeks to read through and I would be hard pressed to name a more boring comic, but Dick Giordano’s art is absolutely dynamic. I flip through JL Elseworlds V1 a few times a month just to look at that awesome art. You guys should look at it sometime. The layouts are some of the most dynamic I have ever seen and his pencils are off the chain. 10/10 art 1/10 story
I'm trying to think of something but I suspect my opinions only look unpopular because the same few homosexuals shit every thread about it
I think Sonic SatAM is good but it is impossible to discuss it here
>I'm trying to think of something but I suspect my opinions only look unpopular because the same few homosexuals shit every thread about it
Same, honestly.
Spiderman becoming shit didn't start around Civil War or even in the mid 90's with The Clone Saga.
It occured when internal politics between the editors and writers became so moronic they literally sabatoged The Hobgoblin arc out of spite.
And since then said moronation occuring in the behind the scenes between man children never really ceased or recovered.
-Gwenpool Love Unlimited, was actually pretty good until issue 6.
-I think Cinemaphile is the worst board on Cinemaphile for the crime of being boring. Cinemaphile is way more fun.
-Morbius wasn't that bad of a movie, it just came out at the wrong time. If it were released in the early 2000s alongside films like Daredevil and Spawn, it'd have a following.
-Bravestarr the movie is one of my favorite animated movies.
-I thought Dark Knight Returns was underwhelming
-All-Star Batman and Robin is a joy to read if you love movies like Samurai Cop and Plan 9 from Outer Space
-I thought the Batman Who Laughs was actually cool.
-I love Cyberfrog and I don't even care about politics. I just love 90s X-Treme comics.
Cinemaphile is an extremely disappointing board, it's basically all arguing about philosophy and religion rather than literature as a whole; and you can't discuss fanfiction there at all
reminds me of Cinemaphile - Haplogroups
>and you can't discuss fanfiction there at all
Look, I get it, and it'd be nice to have a dedicated place to discuss fanfic rather than it randomly coming up as asides in threads on various boards. But if Cinemaphile allowed fanfic that'd be a backdoor to turn it into a variant of Cinemaphile. Fanfic covers such a wide scope of topics (anime, comics, tv, vidya, movies) that it'd risk turning Cinemaphile into a general fandom board. >also, the most boring board is actually Cinemaphile
I hate that too. I love philosophy and religion but Cinemaphile treats it the same way that teenage girls treat K-Pop stars.
>and you can't discuss fanfiction there at all
Look, I get it, and it'd be nice to have a dedicated place to discuss fanfic rather than it randomly coming up as asides in threads on various boards. But if Cinemaphile allowed fanfic that'd be a backdoor to turn it into a variant of Cinemaphile. Fanfic covers such a wide scope of topics (anime, comics, tv, vidya, movies) that it'd risk turning Cinemaphile into a general fandom board. >also, the most boring board is actually Cinemaphile
Turning Cinemaphile into a general fandom board would actually be fun.
Didn't ask. I was asking why we can't talk about Korean cartoons and yet every cartoon talked about here is made there. Like damn. At least answer the question instead of being an butthole.
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Cinemaphile is filled with a bunch of snooty buttholes just because they read like 10 books a day. Which I should start doing.
I completely agree. The people there seem to think that reading tons of books makes them gods, when it really doesn't. I read tons of books and I'm still a dumbass.
Kind of hard to find Cinemaphile examples at the moment that are actual fleshed out characters, most of what pops into my head are from video games. Maybe a few of XJ9's sisters from MLAATR?
>Unpopular opinions
The failure of western comic companies to embrace webtoons as a distribution medium will be as historic of a mistake as failing to directly compete with manga, ultimately leading to significant further collapse of the industry.
Superman is better than Batman.
Rick and Morty is not sci-fi genre, it's stoner genre.
Frozen will only be good again when they stop avoiding Elsa and Anna matchmaking. It forces the characters and the script too far out of it's element.
Trans characters are more fictional than space aliens, and it damages the enjoyment to have that pushed into a comic. Indy comics are guilty of that too, not just DC/Marvel.
While I have watched plenty of good written cartoons, I have yet to watch something as well written and with such a big scope as LOTGH. Even if it had plotholes, it's a standard of writing in animation that has not yet been passed by any other cartoon.
Because it is mostly just lifted from the novels. Dusty only exists (the way he does, the character is off-handedly mentioned a few times in the novels but isn't a main character) so Yang has someone to talk to, the majority their conversations are Yang's internal monologue in the books. Still great.
That doesn't really refute his point. There are certainly plenty of books that could have become animated series with just as much depth, so where are they? The fact of the matter is something like LOGH could never have happened in America.
-Sonic the Hedgehog, as a franchise, was/will always better with both comedy and grimdark and lore of left wing ecoterrorists and environmentalism. imagine violent rebellion but without whacko shit from penders
-Beast is low key a cornerstone of the Marvel universe and writers had to take years of extra effort to make people hate/ignore him. Dark Beast from Age of Apocalypse is resourceful enough to be one of the greatest villains if he had gotten to the M'Kraan crystal
-the she-ra reboot was excellent
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-Kingdom Come is bad. the entire story is forced, and now that i've read miracle man i think it was just trying to copy/rip from miracle man. i might be wrong about it trying to copy from MM but it was still incredibly over the top, like putting a bunch of spiders in a jar and shaking and acting like it was some kind of achievement of western civilization
-/misc/ discussions bleeding in to Cinemaphile conversation will always be better than lewds cluttering up the board by posters that belong in /aco/
-people b***h about woke idpol shit but there isn't enough serious lesbian stuff. i'm talking milf aged women who speak like adults, not some teenager shit
-Inside Job was good
-Helluva Boss is good
the X-men related main series and spin-off's should be removed from mainline Marvel cannon & be their own thing at this point; they should have never been part of a greater marvel "universe" when they had enough world building on their own.
it would be easier just to reboot from right before bendis
The Amazing Digital Circus is overrated! >inb4 muh beg numbahs means it's gud
Skibidi toilet has way higher numbers than TADC so I guess that makes it really good!
And you know what's the saddest part of it all is?
It's that fans of TADC constantly trying to tribewargay other shows for some fricking reason.
They can't just enjoy their show and leave others alone, they have to constantly shove their show in everyone's faces out of pure autism and insecurity.
And then they'll wonder why they've been sent to /trash/ when it'll inevitably happen because they can't shut the frick up about muh smexy jussy!
And nothing of value will be lost on that day!
>Skibidi toilet has way higher numbers than TADC so I guess that makes it really good!
There's not a single episode of Skibidi Toilet that has higher numbers than TADC. You could argue that, cumulatively, it has higher numbers, but that's not exactly fair; it's not like it's new people watching every episode every time. Also, Skibidi Toilet is good, so your argument falls apart anyway.
I think the biggest problem with death of the author lies in the name.
If the idea is how a readers interpretation of a work and be completely independent of the authors intention, why even bring up the author in the name?
Just like the concept, the name should focus on the reader, and the power they have over their own interpretation, instead of focusing on the author.
Hell, it could just have been called Eye of the Beholder, and most people would understand what was meant.
>Just like the concept, the name should focus on the reader, and the power they have over their own interpretation, instead of focusing on the author. >Hell, it could just have been called Eye of the Beholder, and most people would understand what was meant.
But the concept of Death of the Author is the Death of the concept of an author.
Honestly I find something oddly endearing about autistically obsessive fandoms. Like, looking at the batshit crazy bullshit in things like the Murder Drones threads. They're legitimately autistic, but they're clearly happy and enjoying interacting with eachother.
And there's the speculative greentext stories during the early eras of any new Cinemaphile property when the lore is still being drip-fed are some of the most fun I see on this board, and it helps to alleviate when a show ends up disappointing, looking back at all that dumb theorycraft in the Cinemaphile threads for that show. Like /sug/. /gfg/ and the old Adventure Time Generals back in the day. The greentexts were fun as hell.
I think the board could use a little bit more autistic obsessive fandoms. They keep discussing a topic entertaining and not just people saying "I don't like "thing"
>They keep discussing a topic entertaining and not just people saying "I don't like "thing"
The ones who are here to complain will bully those anyway.
Regardless, the waifu homosexualry threads I browse are always a fun time
Murder Drones threads are genuinely hilarious and just pure autistic fun from what I've seen lurking in them. There's lots of story discussion, shitposting, greentexts, drawgayging, just autistic fricks enjoying the show they like - exactly how it should be. I don't think this is an unpopular opinion at all, it's just that Cinemaphile has become so jaded and fricking depressing that anons are in denial about enjoying things. Just using dronegays as an example here, there are obviously others but they're just the most prominent ones I can think of and I find Murder Drones threads pretty funny and interesting to read.
Pic related.
Hot takes incoming: >I don't find that Raggedy Ann and Andy movie all that good and I genuinely don't know why people obsess over it like it's some underrated classic. Frankly the best part of that entire movie is the song No Girl's Toy and the animation (because it is a Richard Williams movie) >Horse show, at this point, shouldn't be banned anymore and you should be able to talk about horse show here on Cinemaphile. If it gets out of hand like prime G4 did then you reinstate the bans. >As a fan of both funny circus show and funny drone show, tribegayging indie shows is worse than fricking namegayging. If you honestly think and act like that, you're an insecure homosexual who wants to start shit for no good reason. Indies deserve to be together and support each other. >Superman is the most overrated piece of shit ever and I'd frankly never see him again if I could. The fact that people are still like "SUPAMAN VS GOKU" in 2023 is pathetic and lame. >Unironically there needs to be more discussion about Aardman and Laika's movies and specials on here. They are master crafts in their art and some of their movies are better than most animated movies. >The Netflix Gudetama show was really cute and short and sweet. Don't know if it's more Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile but it was still really cute and no one talks about it. >Campy Batman is kino and I'm tired of Cinemaphile and normies saying its cringe. Both camp and dark Batman can and should exist. >Tarzan is a good movie and I'm tired of people saying otherwise.
Not bad per say, but I have seen folks say that, out of the Renaissance, Hercules, Mulan and Tarzan are the weakest of that era, which given that it's the Renaissance, that's not a bad thing.
Regular show is unfunny garbage, constant 80's references and mom jokes makes this a gen x bait show, not even the fans are gen x most of them are zoom zoom tards that think their gen x
This moronic "generational war" is annoying as frick and makes this board even more lousy than usual. The amount of people constantly crying about zoomers, boomers, or whatever other stupid term for a birth group of people in nearly every thread is utter insanity and they need to shut the frick up already.
People who only/primarily read licensed comics are genuinely dumber than the dipshits who only read capeshit and comics would be better off without them
The original coloring on The Killing Joke is a hackjob. Ugly garish colors that at points spills over the artwork and obscures the drawings, the flashback part isn't even done in a different style. Anyone that prefers the original coloring has brain damage.
Frank Miller was never a great writer, he was at best serviceable in the 80s and he's only gotten worse in the past 20 years. His Daredevil is badly written to the point of parody at times.
For lack of a better word, Big two Comics feel "Empty" to me now. I don't think I attribute it to aging entirely, but reading modern comics from them compared to either re-reading or reading for the first time I get a sense that most comics aren't really building to anything. I don't mean a big block buster event, but just character growth that lasts. Some comics still give me this feeling, the latest Flash run seems like it wants to move Wally's character forward, same with Nightwing, but a lot of Marvel/DC stuff just feels so stagnant. I know that Spider-man eventually will return to being with Mary Jane, I know that Damian/Jon/Trinity will never permanently take over the Batman role. I guess I just feel like comics are afraid of taking risks now and reinventing characters. DC seems a bit better about this than Marvel, it's part of why for all his faults I don't hate Tom King, because at least his stories seem to have consequence and become something that the stories have to grow from or around. And not to mention any new attempts at teams/characters seem to die fricking instantly nowadays. The DC Terrifics/Sideways/Silencer etc era had me excited and seeing that get replaced with whatever the frick 5g was sucked. All All DIfferent Marvel came and went and while it had many many faults, at least it tried to sort of live up to its name.
The only way for something like Big 2 capeshit to carry on for a fricking century without becoming unreadable is to treat it like a soap opera. Capeshit at its best is just soap opera melodrama with superpowers.
And in a soap with real actors, time moves on. Characters age and die because the actors age and sometimes leave to take on different jobs.
Imagine if the original X-Men were all dead or retired. Hank could some old guy they'd occassionally visit for his wisdom. The new generations they periodically introduce had taken over. Then it would feel like an endless ongoing story that actually was an ongoing story.
Instead, they can't do it. No one can die, nothing can ever really move on. And so it feels like an endless ongoing story in which nothing happens. That's why it feels empty to me.
Legend of Korra was good, and I think it gets a lot of hate because the first season was the best. Amon was a great villain, and I saw a lot of people on the internet be taken in by his arguments despite the fact that he's a literal Evil villain with a scary mask in a cartoon. That's good writing.
Regular show and Adventure time are the worst cartoons to came out in the 2010's
Regular show is just internet memes in the 80s and mom jokes
And adventure time is just static pauses when the character goes "deep thinking" but its really akward and mind boggling
Both shit
The "awkward" dialogue in High Guardian Spice can be defended as naturalistic speech in many instances. It's still a bad show, though. The animation is choppy, the plot is slow and nonsensical, and none of the action sequences are impressive. To me, it's a prime example of why you should innovate within your own cultural traditions rather than make a pastiche of foreign media you grew up with, or at least use them for inspiration not your entire premise.
Kyle Rayner is a boring, uninteresting character who gets unduly praised simply due to Gen-Xer and Millennial nostalgia for his 90s run. The fact that Hal sucked before his revival is also a reason why people felt favorable to Kyle. He was more interesting... but only by comparison to a major stiff.
Lisa wasn't right in the vegetarian episode, but honestly I think the town acted like bullies towards her, she's high strung but laughing up her was just cruel.
By that logic all cartoons made in the last 30 or so years is anime. and Owl House is Anime. Or Anime inspired or whatever term you gays come up with.
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Look at the end of the day there should be some middle ground when we talk about cartoons from Asia. Not everything there has to be called anime. and its hypocritical to say we can't talk about Korean cartoons when every cartoon in the last 30 or so years has been outsourced there. What am I supposed to call Amphibia Anime? It has Anime elements but we still call it a cartoon. Can't the same apply to Korean cartoons?
Why haven't the fricking mods deleted this c**ts posts yet? I want him permabanned.
Unpopular for Cinemaphile: I hate waifugayging
Unpopular for modern cartoons enjoyer: I like reading fanfictions, but I hate shipping with burning hatred
Unpopular for everyone under 50: The legion of superheroes are my favorite supergroup
Well, I hate waifugayging, shipping and soap opera writing. In fact, I don't remember the last time I find a romantic sub-plot interesting (Ben-Hur, maybe?)
I think romances can be well done in comics and cartoons, but there’s a difference between shipping writing and writing a romance. One of the most frustrating things about modern media is that fandom - specifically shipping fandom - has become so prominent and creators pay attention to it.
Even worse, sometimes writers will alter their story based on how they think the fandom will react to it. So now shows will suddenly twist themselves either to best suit the delusions of a loud minority who only cares about who is dating who - or the show will do the exact opposite and force two characters to never speak again and never bond, solely so no one gets the “wrong idea.” It’s a mess either way.
the X-men related main series and spin-off's should be removed from mainline Marvel cannon & be their own thing at this point; they should have never been part of a greater marvel "universe" when they had enough world building on their own.
The "emotional" parts of Rick and Morty are its weakest parts. The comedy also sucks. The only things it does right is that it's got good animation and does the "Dr. Who but gross" logic good.
Look at the end of the day there should be some middle ground when we talk about cartoons from Asia. Not everything there has to be called anime. and its hypocritical to say we can't talk about Korean cartoons when every cartoon in the last 30 or so years has been outsourced there. What am I supposed to call Amphibia Anime? It has Anime elements but we still call it a cartoon. Can't the same apply to Korean cartoons?
Didn't ask. I was asking why we can't talk about Korean cartoons and yet every cartoon talked about here is made there. Like damn. At least answer the question instead of being an butthole.
>and you can't discuss fanfiction there at all
How is this a negative?
Cinemaphile is filled with a bunch of snooty buttholes just because they read like 10 books a day. Which I should start doing.
The simple answer is that you're technically correct in a way (Although claiming outsourcing animation = domestic to the region it was outsorced to is moronic), but it doesn't matter because Korean cartoons doesn't have large enough international interest to warrant a board on Cinemaphile for it specifically.
Now frick off.
Well thanks. was that really that difficult to answer? >Now frick off
Bro I ain't gonna take no lip from a guy with a basic midwestern white ass name. But have a good day.
Animation and Layouts are done in Korea. The studios here only do 25 percent of the effort which means its 75 percent Korean. And in turn makes it a Korean cartoon.
Looney Tunes is overrated
Animation absolutely can be "too cartoony" and anyone who says otherwise is a hack
Board-driven is objectively inferior to script-driven for anything other than shorts
Boarders in general think of themselves as far more important than they actually are
Voice actors are cattle
Koreans don't do jack shit except inbetween the storyboards
>Koreans don't do jack shit except inbetween the storyboards
Some do layouts too, depends on the show. Spongebob does their layouts in house which is great.
Been coming here since I was 21. I turned 34 last Friday
And people give me shit for being 26 and still coming here damn.
I'm Swedish.
Anyways, stop being the guy this anon talks about
Average Cinemaphile user is so low IQ that there's really no point in even trying to discuss anything seriously here unless you are feeling lucky and hoping to find the one or two other anons of average-to-moderate intelligence on this entire site, and somehow Cinemaphile is even worse. You can't call certain things mediocre, even if you substantiate your opinion, without some psychotic homosexual climbing up your ass and throwing a tantrum in the thread for days, all because they have an autistic fixation on some minor, poorly written character in that show.
, you're derailing the thread. Avatargayging is bannable.
Regular shit seasons 1 to 3 were good after that it became a shitshow its later seasons were utterly garabge, hell its "good" seasons were mediorce at best
You only care because it inconveniences you in one specific way, while at the same time ignoring that no one here wants to talk about your autistic fixation on a cartoon child.
Gravity Falls is a mid-show at best and I will never understand the universal praise it got. I didn’t hate it but I wasn’t that impressed with it either.
Captain Marvel is a self insert for 40 year old white women
>Appropriate Carol Danvers and turn her into a faux feminist with a Mohawk >Demand she be shoehorned at the last second into the MCU >Write the character as a hardened wise military dyke but cast a young cute actress to self insert as >Whole movie is about how she’s the strongest but can’t be the strongest because men hold her back >Is obviously written into Endgame with rewrites >Also Karen hair >Sequel doubles down on not having Larson smile at all because smiling is not tough
Regular show is probably the 2nd worst modern cartoon right next to steven universe because of how insufferable the characters are, everyone in that show is either an butthole or a moron it just became cynical and the love drama & space season was in the nail in the coffin. Also the humor is duh mom joke lol, and how god awful the animation was in s4 onward looks like static shit from AT.
Pls dont compare Gumball to Adventure time because Gumball is an actual good cartoon, but Adventure is not its a shit cartoon for chud lore homosexuals.
It sorta just happened and that was that.
Sonic was in an episode, but that's basically what people say to you if you ever find yourself in the 1-in-a-million convo about OK KO.
There’s just nothing to talk about. I tried it after a recent Steven Universe binge and outside of tigger being the big bad there is just not a lot going on.
holy shit this. just seeing a preview in the theaters made me want to shut my eyes. i was afraid it would trigger a had or migraine, it was so awful just to see a few seconds of it
Cinemaphile needs to stop giving Leah Williams passes because booba. That fricking woman can't write for shit and is currently in third place after Tini Howard (2) and Jason Aaron (1) for the title of 'Destroyer of All That is Good'. That dumb b***h who is constantly injecting 2016 tumblr into all her writing needs to frick off entirely and stick to Wattpad, because even the shittiest, most scummiest writing on AO3 is light-years better than hers.
i disagree. i think at least one of the hall monitors is a far right catholic who froths at the mouth about trannies and lets trannies live in their head rent free
Aang sucks. He's childish and a wanna be mature alpha. Zutara is the healthier relationship that could and should have happened in Avatar The Last Airbender. All the ones who deny this are probably Aang self-inserts betas. Other than that the series is a 9/10.
Disney's works suck compared to warner bros animation. Disney's old movies before the little mermaid do look marvelous with colors, character, and unique details but its now abandon in modern disney movies. The only thing consumers buying from disney are the minnie/ mickey mouse shirts,Frozen halloween costumes, disney world tickets, and subscription to disney plus cause animation is dead.
I've seen homosexuals on Cinemaphile seething that Japanese LGBT material doesn't count because it's fanservice instead of being some kind of social activism. They want to feel oppressed, but also they want to insist that they just want to be seen as normal, and I can't think of anything more normal than having multiple entertainment medium where gay shit and crossdressing and gender bending is something that can be joked about openly and within drama. But it makes sense that American Queers seethe about it because it's not being done in the name of some ill-conceived agenda or push to reeducate the culture.
>Eric Stephenson was completely right about licensed comics and the people who exclusively read them >Action cartoons weren't in a better position a decade ago, they were still cancelled prematurely, got sent to death slots, or got iTunes'd >Adult fanbases are meaningless for the longevity of cartoons aimed/marketed for children as the target audience >When recommending comics, its more important to prioritize getting someone into comics as a medium rather than furthering someone's interest in IPs they already are familiar with >Loregays are to animation what YAgays are to literature
Superman should be beating the shit out of bad guys just as much as he is delivering moral messages and being kind and anyone that wants to tone down that action element is as pretentious and jaded as the people claiming the character is outdated.
Harvey Beaks is incredibly overrated I mean yeah it's cute and comfy and all that but to say that it's the best nicktoon to come since A:TLA is absolutely fricking insane
- Solar Opposites is more enjoyable than Rick & Morty post S2
- Catwoman is fine as just a quick fling for Batman but absolutely downright AWFUL as a full blown love interest
- Helluva Boss is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be and I'm somewhat curious to see how Hazbin turns out
- Invincible isn't a bad show but I find it's pacing to be slow and it's more hyped by fans than it actually warrants
- Julie Yamamoto was the only the only decent Ben 10 love interest (not counting one-sided crushes like Attea or Looma)
- I genuinely do not understand the hype over The Amazing Digital Circus
- The Harley Quinn show is not Good nor Bad. Its just Meh....
- Sonic and Amy have zero romantic chemistry and Amy herself has just been a boring empty husk ever since they dropped the fangirl aspect of her character
- The Pony Show should be unbanned
- People give Frank Cho way too much shit just for drawing attractive women
>- Sonic and Amy have zero romantic chemistry and Amy herself has just been a boring empty husk ever since they dropped the fangirl aspect of her character
Amy in sonic boom's cartoon was good
she is terrible everywhere else.
>Julie Yamamoto was the only the only decent Ben 10 love interest (not counting one-sided crushes like Attea or Looma)
That was Eunice. If she wasn't based off Gwen's dna, she'd be the one. >- The Pony Show should be unbanned
Nah. Way too late for that. They have their own shit going on now, with numerous threads and dsscusion. Plus they still tend to spam porn here every once and a while.
Tom King is a great writer and he might be the Alan Moore of this day and age.
I actually agree. He occasionally can’t stick the landing and will have an underwhelming ending *cough* Rorschach *cough*, but when he does he crushes. I can’t think of anyone in the industry that writes well defined female characters and relationships more realistically than him and The Human Target, Vision and the high points of his Batman run will be etched into my mind forever.
Also, while kind of shitting the bed, Rorshach had its moments and is a worthwhile read
>He occasionally can’t stick the landing
He hasn't stuck it even one time so far.
His Green Lantern/Lightray New Gods one-shot was one of the best things I've read in years.
Wow, this is the first one of these kinds of threads I've ever seen where there are actually unpopular opinions here
I want to throttle all of you, digitally speaking
>digitally speaking
...with a finger up their butts? kinky
I lack brevity of wit, agreeing with his
Tom King fricking sucks but his Mister Miracle was actually really good somehow.
>Tom King fricking sucks but his Mister Miracle was actually really good somehow.
Anon... you do realize the whole thread is nothing more but satire/sarcasm, right? And no, Mister Miracle sucked.
I have meant everything I have said from the bottom of my heart
>And no, Mister Miracle sucked
Nah it was actually good. Better than anything with Shilo as Mr. Miracle, bar Morrison.
Gaiman did the same thing in "What Happened to the Caped Crusader", where he has Alfred and his actor buddies be Batman's rogues gallery. Exact opposite of what Moore did in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, which sought to be a capstone and integration of Superman's history.
>Gaiman did the same thing in "What Happened to the Caped Crusader", where he has Alfred and his actor buddies be Batman's rogues gallery
Did you even read the story? The point is that it's a bunch of mutually exclusive stories about Batman. That's just one possibility that's presented.
>That's just one possibility that's presented.
And it's fricking moronic and the exact sort of obnoxious shit that the post above mine was complaining about.
I feel that one's enjoyment of King's work hinges on how well you know a character and how much of King's body of work you've read. Someone like me who loves Kyle Rayner is obviously not going to like Omega Men much, however some one who doesn't know shit about Kyle will come out loving it. He writes good stories, but his grasp of the characters is very poor. Also the more you read the more you see how limited his scope is and you like his works less and less.
I think Cinemaphile rocks
Based Cinemaphile enjoyer. The world was a better place when FPjr was pitching for the Chatham A’s.
OP asked for unpopular opinions, not dangerously deranged ones.
Awkward Zombie sucks and somehow gets a pass for the "LOL VIDYA GAEMS NOT LIEK REEL LIFE" shit that many many other webcomics got shit for
OG Teen Titans show wasn't good
KFP 1 > KFP 2
Disney's 00's dark age wasn't that bad, Chicken Little was fine even if it was basically a Dreamworks film
Kataang > Zutara
Dark Crystal Age of Resistance was better than the og film (Kind of have a hard time believing this myself, but watching the netflix series and going back to the movie shows how much of a leap practical effects and puppetry have taken when people put money and time in it. Even with its issues I think it arguably comes out on top)
I genuinely enjoy Cinemaphile overall. Some boards are better than others and there's a ton of shit threads but I find just enough gems in the shit to make me enjoy my time here.
> Awkward Zombie sucks and somehow gets a pass for the "LOL VIDYA GAEMS NOT LIEK REEL LIFE" shit that many many other webcomics got shit for
I don’t really have an opinion, but the “And then Katie…” comics always got a smile in my face
Awkward Zombie was kino for the first few hundred comics but it became more by-the-numbers and the artstyle got a downgrade.
Me too.
I love you guys.
Chew on cyanide you moronic mongrel
I think Cinemaphile is fricking hilarious and I laugh at least multiple times a day browsing this board. I genuinely have fun complaining about dumb cartoon bullshit for days on end. Talking about how Magnifico did nothing wrong and watching the "Evil Queen" memes pop up is a lot of fun for me.
Cinemaphile sucks but it still is the best public place in the whole internet to discuss comics and cartoons
>Cinemaphile sucks and I hate it here but also it's the best place
Just admit it, you loooveeee us
Love/hate maybe?
I'm a newbie but I don't think I've ever fit in a community as well as the boards/generals I browse, except for some small discord servers. It is what it is I guess.
I agree, /comics/ is pretty good.
Shame have to share a board with children/morons that are here for cartoons tho.
And they have the nerve to turn to claim small horse show was the worst ever, when it was better than 98% of /cac/ shit.
Congrats, you got the thread theme m8.
He said Cinemaphile, don't twist his words.
>Cinemaphile: cortoons and camics
Lie to yourself all you want, but what the board basis is remains the same.
Cartoongays really should frick off, at their absolute best they’re only as dumb as the average capeshitter.
Frick off to where? You need to ask for the admins to split the board, not the anons.
/mlp/
Didn’t ask
It's the only big community I really know dedicated to non-anime cartoons. Plus I like the casual atmosphere and ability to gush over cute lil gals (platonically) (I have OCD)
It's fine. I've seen a lot of anons call this the worst board, but every board thinks that. This is a kindergarten playground relative to the real tire fires.
Everyone that browses more than one board knows Cinemaphile is the worst.
I browse plenty boards, and I think /vr/'s the worst since it has all the bad aspects of Cinemaphile (and even here to some degree), but with little to none to the good of either.
Been coming here since I was 21.
I turned 34 last Friday
>34 years old
I hope I don't end up staying on this shitty site when I get in my 30s
If you didn't leave by now you never will
Yeah imagine being in your 30s and being on here. I wonder what level of neet you have to be to get to that point. It be even worse if it was a female. Like damn
You're 28 you fricking moron
You're an old guy
There are 50 year olds here
i've seen some pretty wrinkled hands on Cinemaphile and particularly Cinemaphile
grampsposting is a go
Is this some special font? Why are the letters all wobbly?
I, too, enjoy this shithole of a board
I’ve tried discord and all sorts of other sites. I just can’t leave. I hate not being anonymous. I don’t even really say edgy shit and stuff, I just don’t like the idea of a bunch of strangers I will never meet a ting like they know me or that they’re opinion of who I am matters. But enough of my diary posting.
cartoon network has good cartoons from 2015 to now.
It occasionally had good cartoons from 2015 to 2020. After that is pure shit
Counterpoint. Cartoon Network does not have cartoons after 2020. WBD keeps cancelling them.
WBD is gonna be in debt and bankruptcy in the future if they delete their shows.
Tini Howard’s ExCalibur, X of Swords event and subsequent work is among my favorite Krakoa-era X titles. I think that she crafted a good fantasy story that stood out from the other titles.
Literally false and it shows how thoughtless you are.
-Frank Millers Batman work is boring and ugly
-Rob Liefeld Bad Blood Deadpool comics are goated
-Tim Sheridans Green Lantern without the controversy manufacturing is just a mid 5.5/10 gay romance comic with a superhero skin suit
-Crowdfunding is a moronic business model and is totally unsustainable in a world where free weekly manga is available on every device on earth
-In 2023 the overwhelming majority of big 2 titles are not blatantly “woke”. The quality might be inconsistent and it does happen, but the are mostly throwing right down the middle with the talent they can afford
-Tom Kings Wonder Woman has been a banger so far
-The “golly gee willickers, Batman” comics all of the old heads pretend to enjoy are terrible and don’t hold a candle to most current era comics
-Dan Slotts Spider-Man isn’t that bad.
-Green Arrow is a shit character
Did you agree with any of these?
Maybe but 60s and 70 era Batman is pretty good.
Correct. Doesn't automatically make it good either. though I liked Owl House for the most part
Oooo 70s era Batman is great. I love Neal Adams work. It’s a revelation.
>Crowdfunding is a moronic business model and is totally unsustainable in a world where free weekly manga is available on every device on earth
This isn't an opinion, it's a demonstrably untrue fact. There are plenty of creators who make a living off of crowdfunding services like Patreon.
Who?
There are a handful of mainstream creators with niche properties who were able to bring a small fandom over to crowdfunding like Pulido, but those are few and far between. Also, for being crowdfunding a biggest success story, the guy has like 3k customers, who while loyal, isn’t sustainable long term. If your entire customer base could die in a single carnival cruise disaster, you might need to rethink your model.
It’s even worse for the culture war crowdfunders. Those people are selling entirely on manufactured outrage and seemingly few, if any, customers are even reading the books.
There may be 2-3 crowdfunders who can support themselves for the next 20 years, but it will always be irrelevant to the greater sequential art storytelling medium because it’s fricking moronic. 50$ comics that release 1x per year, are usually print only and sell to people who don’t read them. Good luck with that business model
That’s what I’m saying. EVS and Eric July are losing 40% of their customers and contributions every campaign, so fanning the flames of the culture war definitely isn’t a sustainable way to sell comics. But the real problem is that I can read unlimited manga on SJ 3$ and buy a huge stack of manga volumes for next to nothing. How can comics and particularly the much worse value of crowdfunded comics ever compete. Also, I get more manga chapters every week. I get more crowdfunding story maybe once per year.
Frick that shit. It’s shitting the bed faster than the direct comic market and that’s saying something. It’s the worst business model ever. Full stop.
I posted in the DC collected editions thread earlier about how their prices are just absurd. 40-50 dollars for 200-300 page books that long ago returned initial investment while you can get tonkobon manga volumes for like 9.99-11.99 for just about the same pages.
They need to stop fleecing people and start making products that can be bought and read. No more artists editions (or just much MUCH less of them) no more hard covers. Comics need to be consumable not fricking collectors items.
Image is probably eating DC and Marvels lunch with those Invincible, Walking Dead and Spawn compendiums. They are like 50 issue collections and the soft backs are like 30-40 bucks on Amazon. I know Todd wants me actually reading. They also have the entire collection of multiple series (Invincible and TWD included) available on GlobalComix.
DC and Marvel are seemingly run by people who have never, ever in their lives bought of a comic of any format. They simply do not understand the consumer, the consumer’s behavior and the consumer experience. They don’t understand the product, the release schedule, the benefits and pitfalls of different formats. It’s just, top to bottom, run by absolute normies. And that’s a major fricking problem.
This is an unpopular opinion thread but I think you and I have stumbled into flat out fricking universal truth territory kek
Name 100. Plenty would means hundreds so surely you can name 100. And by living I mean 70K a year and up PROFIT.
>-The “golly gee willickers, Batman” comics all of the old heads pretend to enjoy
Do they? I really don't think this is a thing. Most people seem to agree that 50s-60s Batman is a low point for the character, interesting only for the sheer weirdness of the stories. Saying 50s Batman has some crazy shit isn't the same as saying it's good. I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend that era on the merits, everyone agrees that 70s Batman was the return to being actually good.
>golly gee willickers, Batman
Nothing wrong with not liking old comics, but this just shows that your concept of old Batman comics is based entirely on the TV show, which was way campier and sillier.
>hating on Dick Sprang era Batman AND defending Slott
Anon seek help please
>Crowdfunding is a moronic business model and is totally unsustainable in a world where free weekly manga is available on every device on earth
Anon, people tried the "give comics away for free, upsell on merch and collected editions" business model, it was called webcomics and it was destroyed by the rise of the big social media platforms. Crowdfunding may not be particularly great business model, but if you can think of a better way to monetise small but high engagement audiences I'd like to hear it.
Kung Fu Panda 2 is a shitty film
>Miller better than Moore as a writer
No.
A show with a gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans, nonbinary, White, black, asian, hispanic, alien main character does not make it automatically bad.
No, but as your show proves, any show that gets 95% of its fandom solely and only for having gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans, nonbinary, White, black, asian, hispanic, alien main characters, especially after its revealed 8 months after it first aired, is likely a bad show
The Owl House in my opinion is a good show, and it sounds like in your opinion is a bad show. Neither of us are going to change our mind.
It also exposed Disney as fake "allies"
That is true but shouldn't be surprised, they are a corporation and their sole interest is profitability and will drop anything that isn't. They aren't an ally to anyone
And I don't think it got canned because it had gays, Disney is trying to push that shit in their mainline films now so it doesn't make much sense. I think it had to do with not being profitable in a certain way or certain demographic alongside the internal and external corporate headaches of working with the creator
>does not make it automatically bad.
Automatically? Of course not. But to be the kind of braindead homosexual who can't tell ANY story without cramming in a troony or some teenaged lesbians who are literally just self-inserts for members of the production crew, it usually means that the rest of the story won't be good either. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Where there's trannies, there's bad storytelling. Approach with caution. Do not be surprised when it all goes to shit.
This is only unpopular on Cinemaphile. In the real world this is just the default view.
Most of these takes are only unpopular on Cinemaphile there's a reason most of King's works sell
I liked the lesbian stuff but the owl house suffers from having an inconsistent art style, and under explored world, and some pacing issues. Also many redundant characters - you could remove Boscha and Gus with no problem imo
So my main character has to be a heterosexual Eskimo.
Got it.
Bad for children to watch, at least.
Yes it does
it doesn't automatically makes it good either and it is often used as a escape goat for bad writing and EGS funding, which is why is is a good indicator to avoid media that portrays them.
>EGS funding
?
ESG*
you know what i mean
I really don't.
It's just EGS still reads as El Goonish Shive to me even after all these years, and that had a lot of LGBT characters/themes
/misc/ conspiracy theory that recent trends in media are driven by investment decisions in media companies looking to maximise non-financial Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) investment metrics to look good for their shareholders, which they of course attribute to gay/israeli/lizardpeople conspiracy.
everyone knows it is not a conspiracy. it is obvious to anyone
>A escape goat
A scapegoat you mean?
yeah, that. shit i am tired
I do agree. I think the issue with most "woke" plotlines like the ones you highlighted isn't the politics themselves, but rather how one note and repetitive they are. Take that new show with Matt Bomer. Forget it's name but nothing it is doing hasn't been done go death with gay leads. People were open and sympathetic at first, now they're bored.
Light-hearted comedies becoming dark and lore-filled is cool and I'm tired of pretending it's not. If I went back in time and told a younger me what would become of Billy from Adventure Time or how dark the history of the citadel of Ricks was, it would have blown my mind. Watching a show "grow up" alongside you will always be fun and I'm starting to think that a large number of people who have such disdain for it are the kind that fear change much like how a Cinemaphile user would feel unease and despair upon reuniting with long lost friends only to find that they've all outgrown their younger phase where they found saying the word Black person to be the height of comedy. I enjoyed episodic shows like SpongeBob, Ed, Edd, n Eddy, and the like growing up as much as the next guy but the 2010s era of storytelling was something special that I'm still not tired of.
>how dark the history of the citadel of Ricks was, it would have blown my mind.
Rick and Morty was never light-hearted. It was a black comedy that lost its novelty since season 2.
I feel like Cinemaphile is sort of getting it wrong when they say cartoons becoming lore based is a bad thing.
Using Adventure Time as an example, the show was even starting to introduce lore elements back in season 2.
The problem isn't shifting focus to introduce lore, it's just that a lot of shows that do it (including Adventure Time) botch the execution of the lore stuff compared to the lighthearted earlier stuff. But if it is done well, it can be great.
In fact, I'd wager that a lot of universally well-liked cartoons on Cinemaphile do a similar transition, like Beast Wars. It started out more comedic and transitioned to drama and fleshed out the backstory over time. And it was kino.
Harley Quinn is a good character.
As Joker other half she is a fascinating character. As a love scorned villain she is a good character. And as a lesbian hero, she is insufferable.
That's not an unpopular opinion.
Harley is a genuienly good character. She's simple on the surface, but a lot more complex than secondaries give her credit for.
>Harley is a genuienly good character. She's simple on the surface, but a lot more complex than secondaries give her credit for.
Having her character change wildly depending on who is writing her and if she has a movie or game coming out does not make her complex.
>Frank Miller better than anything
the 80s was 40 years ago
Death of the Author is both false and harmful. One of the obvious effects is the empowerment of shippers. First actual writers started pandering to them then shippers started writing with their shitty mindset.
I'll take yours a bit farther and say that deconstructionist criticism is mostly shit and an excuse for schizos to push blatant headcanons as legitimate takes on a piece of media.
I don't see how you could go further than "there is no such thing as authorship because the printing press didn't exist in the stoneage".
This has very little to do with Death of the Author. You're confusing the actual concept of Death of the Author with what the internet has bastardized it to mean.
Have you actual read the essay?
>The concept that an author's intentions and external comments should have no bearing on the interpretation of their fiction.
False. It is a denial that the author actually even wrote the thing and deluding yourself into believing in meta-physical bullshit like collective human subconsciousness, muses, and/or divine inspiration.
>Essentially, the idea is that an author's interpretation is not authoritative; the text speaks for itself.
>interpretation
You act like it sprouted from the aether.
>For instance, if the text suggests that curtains are blue, but the author later claims they intended them to be red, the author's latter assertion is disregarded in favor of the text's original depiction.
That essay was written before Twitter existed.
>Often used in discussions where an author's personal controversies arise, this interpretation is used to justify continued enjoyment of a work despite the consumer disagreeing with or disapproving of its creator's actions or views. It serves as a rationale for separating the creator from their creation to resolve the moral dilemma of appreciating the work while condemning the creator.
The same fricking thing.
Nta, You're not really winning me over tbh, the problem here is that hyper focusing on the authors meaning being absolute would then lead people to then try and interpret what the author is trying to say
Interpretation isn't the problem here, ittthe homosexuals that unironcally use "codding"
>the problem here is that hyper focusing on the authors meaning being absolute would then lead people to then try and interpret what the author is trying to say
Well if a book written before 9/11, there is no reason to assume that it was an analogy to 9/11. By definition, the author wrote the book. Barthes wanted to replace the word "author" to "scriptor" as if the someone is reading off some tablets in a hat. You are denying causality for headcanon.
>False. It is a denial that the author actually even wrote the thing and deluding yourself into believing in meta-physical bullshit like collective human subconsciousness, muses, and/or divine inspiration.
you are going to prove the Roland Barthes who coined the term believed this because otherwise you are participating in death of the author and proving their point.
>you are going to prove the Roland Barthes who coined the term believed this because otherwise you are participating in death of the author and proving their point.
Then read the damn essay. Or do you morons don't practice what you preach? see
You can find it online. As for why I say that, it is simply taking his text to its logical conclusion. Why does bringing up folk stories and oral history hurt the legitimacy of authorship or make any meaningful point at all? It only makes sense if you believe that the work of fiction would exist without the author. It would be like using the absence of modern courts to hurt the legitimacy of authorship or to say that Penicillin not being discovered before 1928 hurts the legitimacy of germ theory.
I thought Death of the Author referred to interpreting or analyzing a work after the author had literally died and could no longer offer clarification or addendums
>Proper use of "Death of the Author"
The concept that an author's intentions and external comments should have no bearing on the interpretation of their fiction. Essentially, the idea is that an author's interpretation is not authoritative; the text speaks for itself. For instance, if the text suggests that curtains are blue, but the author later claims they intended them to be red, the author's latter assertion is disregarded in favor of the text's original depiction.
>"Death of the Author" as used Online
Often used in discussions where an author's personal controversies arise, this interpretation is used to justify continued enjoyment of a work despite the consumer disagreeing with or disapproving of its creator's actions or views. It serves as a rationale for separating the creator from their creation to resolve the moral dilemma of appreciating the work while condemning the creator.
There are functionally 2 different interpretations of the term, so which do you mean?
Both are forms of relationalism used to invalidate criticism, they're functionally the same shitty sort of deflective thing.
I've always thought that "Death of the Author" should be renamed "Ego of the Critic."
fricking this. People are allowed to read meaning into things, but most of the time the author has a meaning that they wrote in. DotA is just an excuse for literary critics to ascribe new meaning to text that has been understood forever. Essentially job security for people who are paid to complain about stories.
>Essentially job security for people who are paid to complain about stories.
Pretty much.
This whole heartedly, the idea thay divorcing art from author intent being the purest way to analyze something is ridiculous
I didn't read your pic so I can't judge, I just hate this format.
don't forget kirby with the pointing stick
>the irony
Adventure Time, Gumball and any of the other modern cartoons made for moronic children and adult autists are all unwatchable and an insult to brilliant animators like Ralph Bakshi, Fleischer, and Bluth that pushed the boundaries of the medium with mature themes and brilliant stories. These modern moron shows appeal to a wide demographic, but always the lowest common denominator and as far as I can see exist solely for the purpose of infantilizing adults.
This is about unpopular opinions not incredibly braindead moronic shit pulled outta your shitstained ass.
"modern cartoons" and they're over a decade old
Also LOL at this schizo-ass take
The Backyardigans is one of the most well-written shows I've ever seen in my life.
That's not even controversial.
I've had this urge for the last few years to just read things with female leads.
I love how "deliberate infantilization of the audience as a means of control within late stage capitalism" theory has slowly become more and more commonplace in discourse surrounding pop culture
>infantilization of the audience
The audience infantilized themselves. The sad truth is that people want this. More complex and mature works still exist, people just choose not to engage with them.
>Cherry picking genuinely good things from the past to cynically prop up the past as great, while in reality the good things mentioned were the outliers, not the norm.
>talking about modern things as ungodly bad in a generic detached way that doesn't really talk about them but mainly uses them as vehicle to play armchair intellectual.
Anon, this isn't an "unpopular" opinion; this is the narrative Co. and many other boards blindly believed in from the very conception of this website.
you fell for the bait!
Bluth was always "We have Disney at home" and his output after Land Before Time was some of the most vapid slop of the 90s.
frick you, i like bakshi, bluth, AND gumball
More cartoons should be made with art styles similar to EMH, Young Justice, Vox Machina, and Invincible.
Sonic is better as a lighthearted comedy.
Raven and Gwen were never hot.
Ed Edd n Eddy was garbage.
>Sonic is better as a lighthearted comedy.
That's unpopular? I always like some levity in my Sonic, especially when Eggman has some comic relief robot minions (Scratch/Grounder, Orbot/Cubot, hell, even the guys from X)
>That's unpopular?
Sonic fans prefer the more shonen inspired tone from the Adventure games or the wartime feel of Archie/SatAM. Forces was a step in that direction but it had its own problems.
>Sonic is better as a lighthearted comedy.
Agreed
>Raven and Gwen were never hot.
Disagree on Raven. Strongely agreed on Gwen
>Ed Edd n Eddy was garbage.
Now this is where you lose me
Gumball was mid at best.
And I grew up watching it.
I feel like a real unpopular opinion for that time would be saying Regular Show's mordicai arcs were actually bearable.
I do think they were slightly bearable in a Schadenfreude way, but I'm not one to die on that hill. A hill I'm willing to die on is that just because the soda=beer didn't really tip it over into "this is super adult" territory.
what does "super adult" mean to you?
Eh I don't really know, I would just say the discourse after the end of regular show just acted like they got away with stuff (soda being beer, "wow Mordicai and Rigby are like potheads in a pothead movie", and violence), but really I just consider it "adult" when they got the relationships right, like with Rigby and Eileen. When it was the Mordicai's failed love quests, it just felt childish to me.
I'm not saying being a bit childish is a bad thing, but when you act like every episode is "deeper" due to some adult themes, it just feels a tad stupid to do.
I agree that the series isn't really mature, but the truth is that most young adults are idiots anyway.
But I do think Regular Show is "adult" in the sense that it has a style of comedy and story that appeals to (some, usually young,) adults. The point of "soda=beer" is that it feels like an adult cartoon barely disguised as a kids cartoon.
Nah I think the show is fantastic but the writers legitimately got up their ass a round the last handful of seasons
Season 5 & 6 are decent seasons when you actually watch them fully, instead of picking one or two eps and not liking them and calling those seasons shit you moron
I think Gumball was okay until the writers kept trying to make their own internet memes.
Most of those eps are few in far between in the later seasons especially in season 6 first half just watch the eps that dont revolve around the meta which are plenty anon
My unpopular opinion is that you should never be allowed to discuss animation in any context if you're moronic enough to refer to le wacky cartoony expressions as "trying to make their own internet memes"
They absolutely were hinging their bets on making reaction images.
notice these are all round eye era gumball
>Same homosexual
Kys homosexual
steven universe is overhyped when most of its episodes are fillers.
I made this thread just to bump King’s god awful WW off the catalog so I’m happy to see the shills SEETHING itt
You've done the board a good service. God, the frick is the point of all that pointless narration? It's just irrelevant babble.
You know, I hadn't considered that first point, but I think I agree. For all the good it did, the British Invasion kind of did kill English language comics.
How? It was the American industry's moronation that killed itself, specifically feeding the speculator boom that blew up the industry in the 90s and never moving past the direct market model that doomed American comics to slowly die in the comic shop ghetto.
Crowdfunders are “pulling up” on the mainstream by doing all of the exact same things that has caused the market to implode. “Hey we have variant scams, exorbitant prices, sales only available in a hyper niche marketplace, inconsistent quality, and a focus on speculators over readers also. Buy from us and defeat the comic industry”
I didn't say it was the British who killed it, just the British Invasion. Amd more from the creative side of things, not the sales. The Brits were really good on their element, as seen by 2000 AD, but not long after they began interacting with American business culture it seems like both halves of the Atlantic lost their good points and combined their bad ones.
I can tell some fat BLACK overweight homosexual wrote this.
Neil Gaiman's insistence on discarding his character's original backstories (eg Kirby Sandman -> Morpheus and whatever the frick he was thinking with the Eternals) makes him the worst writer out of the British invasion by a long shot.
Milligan, Millar, Morrison and Moore managed to take the original concepts and expand upon them, but all Gaiman can do with the superheroes he was given was turn them into OC's and shit on the preceding writers.
It's made even worse with his b***hing and moaning whenever somebody thinks to use his characters after the fact, like him basically blacklisting Cornell after Death showed up in Action Comics despite the fact that he turned Kirby's characters into psychopaths for no reason other than to prop up his own versions.
>him basically blacklisting Cornell after Death showed up in Action Comics despite the fact that he turned Kirby's characters into psychopaths for no reason other than to prop up his own versions.
is that why Paul Cornell no longer does any comic work?
No? He did work on the New 52 after the Black Ring, which was frankly better than any of Gaiman's recent work.
Gaiman (allegedly) called the editors at DC and got into a screaming fit about The Black Ring, since he believed that there was an obligation to ask his permission before his characters were used.
Obviously this wasn't a legally binding agreement but Gaiman believes that he is super special out of all the Big-Two writers and his characters are under protection in spite of being adaptations of previously existing concepts. He apparently specifically wanted Cornell buried. This is all just gossip from forums at the time where someone who was most likely Cornell himself complained about the situation anonymously.
So Cornell got taken off Action and the Batman work he was doing and got relegated to the shitlist Z-tier characters (which he did a great job at despite editorial fricking him over on Demon Knights) and eventually just quit and went back to novels and TV because he knew he'd never get any significant work with Gaiman threatening to blacklist DC if Cornell continued on.
Grim.
Why do you losers do this? Just make shit up and then post it on Cinemaphile as fact?
You know what you did, Neil.
You jive turkey, if you go on Gaiman's site he outright says that if you want to use the Endless characters they belong to DC and not him so you don't have to ask but writers still do out of respect. Anyway, straight from Cornell's mouth
https://insidepulse.com/2010/07/09/neil-gaimans-sandman-sibling-returns-in-paul-cornells-action-comics/
>“I’m very pleased that, after I ran the idea by him, Neil Gaiman approved me using Death in this issue. He’s been very supportive.
He didn't like the way Weisman used Death in Captain Atom because he treated her as one of many grim reapers instead of as the concept of Death but nothing happened beyond that. I guess you're so used to american writers like Byrne or Waid or Bendis and how they scream like children but the british guys are generally chill, even Moore's attitude is mostly "just leave me alone" and not autistic crying and shouting.
So, back to you being a shit peddler, why do you """people""" do this? Just come to Cinemaphile to write made up shit and pass them off as fact? Mental illness? Your life sounds very sad.
You're not supposed to post source on Cinemaphile. That's not how we do things around here.
an anthro of a concept is better than a rando with a sleep gun
Not commenting on your opinions, but literally no one has ever praised 90s Image/Extreme books for their writing (outside of the handful of issues where they brought in big names like Moore to guest).
Anon people are CONSTANTLY talking about how much better nineties comics are and it’s not limited to the art. People genuinely act like Lee and McFarlane and Robinson were fantastic writers.
The Simpsons is easily the best Fox cartoon airing nowadays
eh, the bar isn't exactly high there. also burgers are more consistent
Netflix Castlevania is unironically about loving the Antichrist.
Oh yeah, that reminds me.
Castlevania was good.
>Castlevania was good.
I think that's only controversial in Cinemaphile.
Most people agree it's good even if it's not accurate to the games.
Really? I thought that Season 4 has the lowest viewership and ratings for being really fricking shit.
The Castlevania show would have been good if it wasn't called Castlevania. It's got so little to do with what it's based on that it would've been unironically a pretty great cartoon if it had stood on its own legs.
Only the Scott Pilgrim movie and video game are good. Everything else including the new show isn't worth the time.
Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow is a terrible comic and send off to Superman. Just killing everyone was a hack move
Just out of curiosity, what did you think of Moore’s Supreme?
Dreamworks mostly sucks but the HTTYD trilogy mogs everything Pixar has ever made. Even the weakest film in the trilogy (2) is better than every Pixar film.
Average Cinemaphile user is so low IQ that there's really no point in even trying to discuss anything seriously here unless you are feeling lucky and hoping to find the one or two other anons of average-to-moderate intelligence on this entire site, and somehow Cinemaphile is even worse. You can't call certain things mediocre, even if you substantiate your opinion, without some psychotic homosexual climbing up your ass and throwing a tantrum in the thread for days, all because they have an autistic fixation on some minor, poorly written character in that show.
>You can't call certain things mediocre, even if you substantiate your opinion, without some psychotic homosexual climbing up your ass and throwing a tantrum in the thread for days, all because they have an autistic fixation on some minor, poorly written character in that show.
I get what you're saying, but at the same time people just tossing out "mid" has become so common as to be meaningless. If you've got an argument as to why, sure, but it's become the default reaction for morons who can't otherwise express themselves.
If someone says something stupid, no one is required to start acting like a giant homosexual because they're annoyed that no one wants to write them a doctoral thesis about why some shitty disney cartoon isn't objectively amazing.
Nah that’s horse shit. Nobody ever demands you back up praise. There’s no reason to demand it for denigration.
I think about this a lot
Particularly when a series does something poorly or controversial, negative pushback comes in, and then fans deflect by blaming a producer to defend a developer. All the bad things that come through a show/game/movie are cause of the producers.
But when things go right, it's all from the devs solely. The whole developer/producer dynamic is mentioned nowhere.
The worst thing that happens on Cinemaphile is that you'll take your time and write a meaningful post, listing critiques and then the person you were arguing with either disappears or just says "well that's just your opinion" or some shit like that. Of course discussion dies down when this becomes the norm and people would rather say something is "mid" than put effort when the person you are "conversing" with is a monkey that can only reply with "stfu u wrong"
>on Cinemaphile
While I know it doesn't happen on just this board, it still happens a lot here nonetheless.
>explain yourself clearly, repeatedly, over several posts and replies, responding to specific complaints and assertions
>they either pretend not to understand or continue to kick and scream as if you've said something you never said and was never posted in the thread
>they'll default to assuming every reply is from a single anon, usually one that they are convinced is the only guy on the entire site who dislikes their precious favorite show
>even if multiple anons show up to argue, they'll all be labeled as samegayging by the anon spastically lashing out at anyone who says anything vaguely negative about their emotional support cartoon
>this can go on for hours or days in some cases
>explain yourself clearly, repeatedly, over several posts and replies
>they'll default to assuming every reply is from a single anon
Oh I wonder why.
I can clearly see when the writing style is the same across multiple posts you moron. If you think this doesn't happen, you underestimate the autism here.
No one has any idea what you're talking about, but congratulations on being the exact thing being discussed.
I'm talking about autists who dump a million repetitive answers on a discussion and pretend they're the majority opinion.
You've done exactly what is being described. To the tee. We're not even discussing anything specific and you're just right here seething about samegays ruining conversations because you believe any post you don't agree with is one guy.
You said "No one has any idea what you're talking about" despite being the only one answering me. You actually have the delusion that the majority of anons have your opinions.
You even let it slip like I pointed out before:
>You actually have the delusion that the majority of anons have your opinions.
This right here. I'm aware we're having a back-and-forth reply chain, but what you're doing is jumping to a wild conclusion because you think I'm someone who "dumps millions of replies on a discussion" because you've schizophrenically jumped to the conclusion that I must be that one exact anon you hate, who is everywhere.
You might not even be one of those guys but you already made some suspicious slips and are defending them anyway
We're not even discussing anything but the posts in this thread and you've convinced yourself this is some grand scheme to force Cinemaphile to believe opinions that haven't even been stated.
Grand scheme? No, it's just annoying morons shitting up threads.
Gonna let you in on a secret: It's you. You're the morons.
>Average Cinemaphile user is so low IQ that there's really no point in even trying to discuss anything seriously here
The ask was "unpopular opinions"; not "obvious statements of fact."
I don’t know what the consensus on this is so I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion or just a regular opinion. Maybe it’s too niche for anyone to even give a shit about, but the “League of Justice” Elseworlds story is simultaneously one of the worst comics I have ever read but it’s visually stunning. It took me two weeks to read through and I would be hard pressed to name a more boring comic, but Dick Giordano’s art is absolutely dynamic. I flip through JL Elseworlds V1 a few times a month just to look at that awesome art. You guys should look at it sometime. The layouts are some of the most dynamic I have ever seen and his pencils are off the chain. 10/10 art 1/10 story
I'm trying to think of something but I suspect my opinions only look unpopular because the same few homosexuals shit every thread about it
I think Sonic SatAM is good but it is impossible to discuss it here
>I'm trying to think of something but I suspect my opinions only look unpopular because the same few homosexuals shit every thread about it
Same, honestly.
Scanners is a better X-Men movie than any of the actual X-Men movies.
Ultimate Spider-Man was fun and enjoyable. Shame about Drake Bell though.
Spiderman becoming shit didn't start around Civil War or even in the mid 90's with The Clone Saga.
It occured when internal politics between the editors and writers became so moronic they literally sabatoged The Hobgoblin arc out of spite.
And since then said moronation occuring in the behind the scenes between man children never really ceased or recovered.
I have never read a good spiderman story, ever.
Pleb taste.
I hate mutant shit and all the talk of "flatscans" because I'm a human and thus I identify more with them.
Also Magneto is a b***h.
-Gwenpool Love Unlimited, was actually pretty good until issue 6.
-I think Cinemaphile is the worst board on Cinemaphile for the crime of being boring. Cinemaphile is way more fun.
-Morbius wasn't that bad of a movie, it just came out at the wrong time. If it were released in the early 2000s alongside films like Daredevil and Spawn, it'd have a following.
-Bravestarr the movie is one of my favorite animated movies.
-I thought Dark Knight Returns was underwhelming
-All-Star Batman and Robin is a joy to read if you love movies like Samurai Cop and Plan 9 from Outer Space
-I thought the Batman Who Laughs was actually cool.
-I love Cyberfrog and I don't even care about politics. I just love 90s X-Treme comics.
Cinemaphile is an extremely disappointing board, it's basically all arguing about philosophy and religion rather than literature as a whole; and you can't discuss fanfiction there at all
reminds me of Cinemaphile - Haplogroups
>and you can't discuss fanfiction there at all
Look, I get it, and it'd be nice to have a dedicated place to discuss fanfic rather than it randomly coming up as asides in threads on various boards. But if Cinemaphile allowed fanfic that'd be a backdoor to turn it into a variant of Cinemaphile. Fanfic covers such a wide scope of topics (anime, comics, tv, vidya, movies) that it'd risk turning Cinemaphile into a general fandom board.
>also, the most boring board is actually Cinemaphile
>and you can't discuss fanfiction there at all
How is this a negative?
I hate that too. I love philosophy and religion but Cinemaphile treats it the same way that teenage girls treat K-Pop stars.
Turning Cinemaphile into a general fandom board would actually be fun.
I completely agree. The people there seem to think that reading tons of books makes them gods, when it really doesn't. I read tons of books and I'm still a dumbass.
i agree with you on Cinemaphile, morbius and cyberfrog/90s
Avengers Assemble wasn't that bad, it just had the misfortune of following EMH.
John K's work demanded more from an industry that carters to fricking children.
Go ahead, try and prove me wrong gaygos.
Because you simply cant.
Sure I can. The homosexual made Ren and Stimpy, easily the most moronic toddler entertainment of all time.
It's a well animated show that mostly catered to 90's kids obsession with snot and vomit
It's not this high brow artistic masterpiece lmao
>john k fricking children
that's a fact not an unpopular opinion
teenagers aren't children
Judy Hopps is massively overrated as a furry girl
Wish us a fun movie that is like a fun love letter to Disneys 100th anniversary
frick off shill
I find unconventional/not obviously “feminine” character designs that turn out to be ladies pretty cool
Any examples?
Kind of hard to find Cinemaphile examples at the moment that are actual fleshed out characters, most of what pops into my head are from video games. Maybe a few of XJ9's sisters from MLAATR?
Same. Then again, I'm WAY too open minded for nearly any design that's non-human+female.
She qualify?
She's hot.
I'd say. Helps that she's of my early crushes as well...
Image the addons she'd have for pleasure, It's the future after all.
>Image the addons she'd have for pleasure
Wonder what those might be?
>had zero feelings for Rosie
>Read this
>I am now attracted to her
Frick.
>Unpopular opinions
The failure of western comic companies to embrace webtoons as a distribution medium will be as historic of a mistake as failing to directly compete with manga, ultimately leading to significant further collapse of the industry.
Superman is better than Batman.
Rick and Morty is not sci-fi genre, it's stoner genre.
Frozen will only be good again when they stop avoiding Elsa and Anna matchmaking. It forces the characters and the script too far out of it's element.
Trans characters are more fictional than space aliens, and it damages the enjoyment to have that pushed into a comic. Indy comics are guilty of that too, not just DC/Marvel.
>Superman is better than Batman.
Sales prove this is wrong btw.
Sales prove nothing about a series' quality.
While I have watched plenty of good written cartoons, I have yet to watch something as well written and with such a big scope as LOTGH. Even if it had plotholes, it's a standard of writing in animation that has not yet been passed by any other cartoon.
Because it is mostly just lifted from the novels. Dusty only exists (the way he does, the character is off-handedly mentioned a few times in the novels but isn't a main character) so Yang has someone to talk to, the majority their conversations are Yang's internal monologue in the books. Still great.
That doesn't really refute his point. There are certainly plenty of books that could have become animated series with just as much depth, so where are they? The fact of the matter is something like LOGH could never have happened in America.
It isn't meant to be a refutation. It is just additional information.
I agree but cartoongays might get angry.
Go back to Cinemaphile
-Sonic the Hedgehog, as a franchise, was/will always better with both comedy and grimdark and lore of left wing ecoterrorists and environmentalism. imagine violent rebellion but without whacko shit from penders
-Beast is low key a cornerstone of the Marvel universe and writers had to take years of extra effort to make people hate/ignore him. Dark Beast from Age of Apocalypse is resourceful enough to be one of the greatest villains if he had gotten to the M'Kraan crystal
-the she-ra reboot was excellent
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-Kingdom Come is bad. the entire story is forced, and now that i've read miracle man i think it was just trying to copy/rip from miracle man. i might be wrong about it trying to copy from MM but it was still incredibly over the top, like putting a bunch of spiders in a jar and shaking and acting like it was some kind of achievement of western civilization
-/misc/ discussions bleeding in to Cinemaphile conversation will always be better than lewds cluttering up the board by posters that belong in /aco/
-people b***h about woke idpol shit but there isn't enough serious lesbian stuff. i'm talking milf aged women who speak like adults, not some teenager shit
-Inside Job was good
-Helluva Boss is good
it would be easier just to reboot from right before bendis
The Amazing Digital Circus is overrated!
>inb4 muh beg numbahs means it's gud
Skibidi toilet has way higher numbers than TADC so I guess that makes it really good!
And you know what's the saddest part of it all is?
It's that fans of TADC constantly trying to tribewargay other shows for some fricking reason.
They can't just enjoy their show and leave others alone, they have to constantly shove their show in everyone's faces out of pure autism and insecurity.
And then they'll wonder why they've been sent to /trash/ when it'll inevitably happen because they can't shut the frick up about muh smexy jussy!
And nothing of value will be lost on that day!
>Skibidi toilet has way higher numbers than TADC so I guess that makes it really good!
There's not a single episode of Skibidi Toilet that has higher numbers than TADC. You could argue that, cumulatively, it has higher numbers, but that's not exactly fair; it's not like it's new people watching every episode every time.
Also, Skibidi Toilet is good, so your argument falls apart anyway.
Spongebob (the show) is obnoxious and overrated, I'll never get why it became such a huge pop culture hit.
>dissing spongechad
Frick you, zoomer Black person troony homosexual!
>erasing your original shit post to replace it with something even more cringe
kek what a homosexual move
>Implying zoomers aren't obsessed with Spongebob and don't love creating low-effort unfunny memes of it
And I'm a millennial you braindead gay
APC wasn’t that bad; it’s only hated because of John K. Derangement Syndrome.
I think the biggest problem with death of the author lies in the name.
If the idea is how a readers interpretation of a work and be completely independent of the authors intention, why even bring up the author in the name?
Just like the concept, the name should focus on the reader, and the power they have over their own interpretation, instead of focusing on the author.
Hell, it could just have been called Eye of the Beholder, and most people would understand what was meant.
> could just have been called Eye of the Beholder
Yeah but then you wouldn't have to make an essay that everyone pretends to have read (including me)
>Just like the concept, the name should focus on the reader, and the power they have over their own interpretation, instead of focusing on the author.
>Hell, it could just have been called Eye of the Beholder, and most people would understand what was meant.
But the concept of Death of the Author is the Death of the concept of an author.
Enough of death of the author. It’s time for death of the reader.
Honestly I find something oddly endearing about autistically obsessive fandoms. Like, looking at the batshit crazy bullshit in things like the Murder Drones threads. They're legitimately autistic, but they're clearly happy and enjoying interacting with eachother.
And there's the speculative greentext stories during the early eras of any new Cinemaphile property when the lore is still being drip-fed are some of the most fun I see on this board, and it helps to alleviate when a show ends up disappointing, looking back at all that dumb theorycraft in the Cinemaphile threads for that show. Like /sug/. /gfg/ and the old Adventure Time Generals back in the day. The greentexts were fun as hell.
I think the board could use a little bit more autistic obsessive fandoms. They keep discussing a topic entertaining and not just people saying "I don't like "thing"
>They keep discussing a topic entertaining and not just people saying "I don't like "thing"
The ones who are here to complain will bully those anyway.
Regardless, the waifu homosexualry threads I browse are always a fun time
Murder Drones threads are genuinely hilarious and just pure autistic fun from what I've seen lurking in them. There's lots of story discussion, shitposting, greentexts, drawgayging, just autistic fricks enjoying the show they like - exactly how it should be. I don't think this is an unpopular opinion at all, it's just that Cinemaphile has become so jaded and fricking depressing that anons are in denial about enjoying things. Just using dronegays as an example here, there are obviously others but they're just the most prominent ones I can think of and I find Murder Drones threads pretty funny and interesting to read.
Pic related.
Horse show didn’t deserve to be banned
Banning it did huge damage to the board. buttholes and trolls knew they'd be rewarded if they were annoying enough.
Hot takes incoming:
>I don't find that Raggedy Ann and Andy movie all that good and I genuinely don't know why people obsess over it like it's some underrated classic. Frankly the best part of that entire movie is the song No Girl's Toy and the animation (because it is a Richard Williams movie)
>Horse show, at this point, shouldn't be banned anymore and you should be able to talk about horse show here on Cinemaphile. If it gets out of hand like prime G4 did then you reinstate the bans.
>As a fan of both funny circus show and funny drone show, tribegayging indie shows is worse than fricking namegayging. If you honestly think and act like that, you're an insecure homosexual who wants to start shit for no good reason. Indies deserve to be together and support each other.
>Superman is the most overrated piece of shit ever and I'd frankly never see him again if I could. The fact that people are still like "SUPAMAN VS GOKU" in 2023 is pathetic and lame.
>Unironically there needs to be more discussion about Aardman and Laika's movies and specials on here. They are master crafts in their art and some of their movies are better than most animated movies.
>The Netflix Gudetama show was really cute and short and sweet. Don't know if it's more Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile but it was still really cute and no one talks about it.
>Campy Batman is kino and I'm tired of Cinemaphile and normies saying its cringe. Both camp and dark Batman can and should exist.
>Tarzan is a good movie and I'm tired of people saying otherwise.
>Tarzan is a good movie and I'm tired of people saying otherwise
People think Tarzan is a bad movie?
Not bad per say, but I have seen folks say that, out of the Renaissance, Hercules, Mulan and Tarzan are the weakest of that era, which given that it's the Renaissance, that's not a bad thing.
What's your beef with Superman?
Regular show is unfunny garbage, constant 80's references and mom jokes makes this a gen x bait show, not even the fans are gen x most of them are zoom zoom tards that think their gen x
This moronic "generational war" is annoying as frick and makes this board even more lousy than usual. The amount of people constantly crying about zoomers, boomers, or whatever other stupid term for a birth group of people in nearly every thread is utter insanity and they need to shut the frick up already.
I've seen a lot more of it on /vr/, honestly.
it's a sitewide thing tbh
>it’s ok because everyone does it
No it’s not, frick you
literally not what i said you schizo moron. i was just adding on to those two posts
You have added nothing. Your comment was worthless.
Frank Miller being better than Alan Moore is obvious.
We need a token based black woman like Candace Owens in the Comicsgate space for comedy. Eric July isn't a woman so he doesn't count.
Kys
I love Candace
Scott Pilgrim Takes Off was lame
People who only/primarily read licensed comics are genuinely dumber than the dipshits who only read capeshit and comics would be better off without them
The original coloring on The Killing Joke is a hackjob. Ugly garish colors that at points spills over the artwork and obscures the drawings, the flashback part isn't even done in a different style. Anyone that prefers the original coloring has brain damage.
She-Hulk should have stayed de-powered.
She's being languishing in mediocrity for the past 17 years.
Despite everything, Cinemaphile is love
Cinemaphile has the potential to be an amazing board, it has the potential to be great, all it would take is a moderation team that actually cared
The Clone Wars stole all the credit of previous & better CGI shows.
Frank Miller was never a great writer, he was at best serviceable in the 80s and he's only gotten worse in the past 20 years. His Daredevil is badly written to the point of parody at times.
For lack of a better word, Big two Comics feel "Empty" to me now. I don't think I attribute it to aging entirely, but reading modern comics from them compared to either re-reading or reading for the first time I get a sense that most comics aren't really building to anything. I don't mean a big block buster event, but just character growth that lasts. Some comics still give me this feeling, the latest Flash run seems like it wants to move Wally's character forward, same with Nightwing, but a lot of Marvel/DC stuff just feels so stagnant. I know that Spider-man eventually will return to being with Mary Jane, I know that Damian/Jon/Trinity will never permanently take over the Batman role. I guess I just feel like comics are afraid of taking risks now and reinventing characters. DC seems a bit better about this than Marvel, it's part of why for all his faults I don't hate Tom King, because at least his stories seem to have consequence and become something that the stories have to grow from or around. And not to mention any new attempts at teams/characters seem to die fricking instantly nowadays. The DC Terrifics/Sideways/Silencer etc era had me excited and seeing that get replaced with whatever the frick 5g was sucked. All All DIfferent Marvel came and went and while it had many many faults, at least it tried to sort of live up to its name.
The only way for something like Big 2 capeshit to carry on for a fricking century without becoming unreadable is to treat it like a soap opera. Capeshit at its best is just soap opera melodrama with superpowers.
And in a soap with real actors, time moves on. Characters age and die because the actors age and sometimes leave to take on different jobs.
Imagine if the original X-Men were all dead or retired. Hank could some old guy they'd occassionally visit for his wisdom. The new generations they periodically introduce had taken over. Then it would feel like an endless ongoing story that actually was an ongoing story.
Instead, they can't do it. No one can die, nothing can ever really move on. And so it feels like an endless ongoing story in which nothing happens. That's why it feels empty to me.
That's an interesting way of putting it.
Legend of Korra was good, and I think it gets a lot of hate because the first season was the best. Amon was a great villain, and I saw a lot of people on the internet be taken in by his arguments despite the fact that he's a literal Evil villain with a scary mask in a cartoon. That's good writing.
I'm not reading that. Congratulations, or that sucks.
Regular show and Adventure time are the worst cartoons to came out in the 2010's
Regular show is just internet memes in the 80s and mom jokes
And adventure time is just static pauses when the character goes "deep thinking" but its really akward and mind boggling
Both shit
The "awkward" dialogue in High Guardian Spice can be defended as naturalistic speech in many instances. It's still a bad show, though. The animation is choppy, the plot is slow and nonsensical, and none of the action sequences are impressive. To me, it's a prime example of why you should innovate within your own cultural traditions rather than make a pastiche of foreign media you grew up with, or at least use them for inspiration not your entire premise.
It's awkward specifically because no one fricking talks like that.
You don't have autism
>To me, it's a prime example of why you should innovate within your own cultural traditions
The show would have still been bad. Execution matters.
I don't disagree
Kyle Rayner is a boring, uninteresting character who gets unduly praised simply due to Gen-Xer and Millennial nostalgia for his 90s run. The fact that Hal sucked before his revival is also a reason why people felt favorable to Kyle. He was more interesting... but only by comparison to a major stiff.
Lisa wasn't right in the vegetarian episode, but honestly I think the town acted like bullies towards her, she's high strung but laughing up her was just cruel.
Loona is just the average furry oc, there's nothing special about her, you are just a furry in denail.
Julia Vickerman did nothing wrong. It's okay that she flirted with boys as young as 10.
Any young lad would be lucky to tap that.
I think we should be able to discuss Korean cartoons here because all American cartoons are outsourced there.
>I think we should be able to discuss Korean cartoons here
We are.
So we are.
Why haven't the fricking mods deleted this c**ts posts yet? I want him permabanned.
No, frick off and eat shit
Wrong board
I mean anon they have a point if we can't talk about Korean cartoons then why are we talking about American cartoons?
/a is for Japanese cartoons. and Korea is not Japan.
Finally someone gets it.
Go frick yourself pedophile.
>Cinemaphile - Comics & Cartoons
>Images and discussion should pertain to media of Western origin.
>of Western origin.
Last I checked, Korea is not a Western country.
By that logic all cartoons made in the last 30 or so years is anime. and Owl House is Anime. Or Anime inspired or whatever term you gays come up with.
Even if we cared about Korean cartoons we wouldn't talk about them anyway because you like them and you are fricking cancer
Frick off with your toddlershit you only like because you're a raging pedophile
who is this character
Juri from Hang on. https://youtu.be/OWoIXZ_GLTU?feature=shared
You two freaks deserve each other.
The Mario movie is bland
It is absolutely hard carried by the fact is a love letter to Mario fans, if this movie didn't have BING BING WAHOO this would be a 4-6 out of ten.
John K is right on everything and the really reason he got canceled is because he's right and they hated him for it.
Nu Voltron was a master peice and doesn't deserve any hate. Anyone who says it sucks is a fricking moron.
Got issues with it but honestly I loved the show.
unironically kys ShiroBlack person
Unpopular for Cinemaphile: I hate waifugayging
Unpopular for modern cartoons enjoyer: I like reading fanfictions, but I hate shipping with burning hatred
Unpopular for everyone under 50: The legion of superheroes are my favorite supergroup
Well, I hate waifugayging, shipping and soap opera writing. In fact, I don't remember the last time I find a romantic sub-plot interesting (Ben-Hur, maybe?)
I think romances can be well done in comics and cartoons, but there’s a difference between shipping writing and writing a romance. One of the most frustrating things about modern media is that fandom - specifically shipping fandom - has become so prominent and creators pay attention to it.
Even worse, sometimes writers will alter their story based on how they think the fandom will react to it. So now shows will suddenly twist themselves either to best suit the delusions of a loud minority who only cares about who is dating who - or the show will do the exact opposite and force two characters to never speak again and never bond, solely so no one gets the “wrong idea.” It’s a mess either way.
the X-men related main series and spin-off's should be removed from mainline Marvel cannon & be their own thing at this point; they should have never been part of a greater marvel "universe" when they had enough world building on their own.
100%
Not an unpopular opinion, people have been saying this since the Claremont era
But then X-Men writers won't be able to take other heroes and write them as anti-mutant and OOC...
Hire better writers then
Will you shut the frick up I don't even like namegays but you are just as fricking annoying
No I'm not stopping until that Birchy c**t is banned.
Both Spider-Verse films, while good, are extremely overrated, specially ATSV
Batman Who Laughs is the best character to come out of DC in years.
Doesn't make them korean cartoons you fricking moron
And no one will watch the autistic e-girl shit you're currently into
I mean technically he's right.
The "emotional" parts of Rick and Morty are its weakest parts. The comedy also sucks. The only things it does right is that it's got good animation and does the "Dr. Who but gross" logic good.
You’re a fricking freak and you need to shut your mouth.
Why do you post this every time he shows up? I have plushies too.
Look at the end of the day there should be some middle ground when we talk about cartoons from Asia. Not everything there has to be called anime. and its hypocritical to say we can't talk about Korean cartoons when every cartoon in the last 30 or so years has been outsourced there. What am I supposed to call Amphibia Anime? It has Anime elements but we still call it a cartoon. Can't the same apply to Korean cartoons?
No, frick off and never come back.
You actually make a good point
Stop avatargayging at the very least, holy shit.
No one wants to watch your fricking shit korean cartoons, at least post something good like Leafie
Didn't ask. I was asking why we can't talk about Korean cartoons and yet every cartoon talked about here is made there. Like damn. At least answer the question instead of being an butthole.
Cinemaphile is filled with a bunch of snooty buttholes just because they read like 10 books a day. Which I should start doing.
>they read like 10 books a day. Which I should start doing.
Good idea. Maybe then you’ll be too busy to shit up the board like you always do.
Everyone was talking about Leafie when it came out despite being Korean, stop being such a disgusting newbie and inventing problems that don't exist
>People talked about Korean cartoons like Leafie
>A movie from 2011
Yes, newbie moron, and no one talks about newer ones because they're all fricking shit
There was this mermaid cartoon I seen being talked about here a few days ago I think that was from Korea I can't remember the name though
The simple answer is that you're technically correct in a way (Although claiming outsourcing animation = domestic to the region it was outsorced to is moronic), but it doesn't matter because Korean cartoons doesn't have large enough international interest to warrant a board on Cinemaphile for it specifically.
Now frick off.
Well thanks. was that really that difficult to answer?
>Now frick off
Bro I ain't gonna take no lip from a guy with a basic midwestern white ass name. But have a good day.
>forgot the name i used for one shitpost several days ago
I'm gonna kill myself out of shame once more I see.
Storyboarded in America
Animation and Layouts are done in Korea. The studios here only do 25 percent of the effort which means its 75 percent Korean. And in turn makes it a Korean cartoon.
Looney Tunes is overrated
Animation absolutely can be "too cartoony" and anyone who says otherwise is a hack
Board-driven is objectively inferior to script-driven for anything other than shorts
Boarders in general think of themselves as far more important than they actually are
Voice actors are cattle
Koreans don't do jack shit except inbetween the storyboards
>Koreans don't do jack shit except inbetween the storyboards
Some do layouts too, depends on the show. Spongebob does their layouts in house which is great.
And people give me shit for being 26 and still coming here damn.
>And people give me shit
Because you ARE shit.
Yeah true.
Stop encouraging the namegay
You're a NEET who lives with his mommy and draws like a 5 year old
Hey I live with my parents too I'm too broken because an apartment here costs like 4 grand a month
I unironically like all star batman and tkdr sequels.
They aight.
Oh that kind of white. Damn if you were Finnish I'd care.
Says the moron who ruined the discussion for several comics and cartoons, have a nice day
I'm Swedish.
Anyways, stop being the guy this anon talks about
, you're derailing the thread. Avatargayging is bannable.
Thanks for the heads-up, never encountered this person before.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
Regular Show was good for its entire run.
Regular shit seasons 1 to 3 were good after that it became a shitshow its later seasons were utterly garabge, hell its "good" seasons were mediorce at best
Test
Waypool is best Deadpool
Well this is the last time I put my response in this thread.
Good riddance.
Dude you did nothing wrong. I actually agree with you about the Korean cartoon stuff.
Stop responding to the c**t
>Sorry if I came across as annoying.
You ARE annoying and off topic. Get lost.
Homestarrunnerdotcom is the single best cartoon to come out in the 21st century. Nothing else animated produced since 2000 comes close.
Johnny Test was overhated. Compared to the shit today I'd rather deal with whipcracks. The show had some pretty good jokes too.
Still the best joke
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I prefer Tim Curry's Joker over Mark Hamil's fight me.
You only care because it inconveniences you in one specific way, while at the same time ignoring that no one here wants to talk about your autistic fixation on a cartoon child.
I feel modern comics and cartoons are so bad we either need to shut down Cinemaphile or to create a comic retro board.
This is actually a great idea.
Is a very great idea.
>that last one
As opposed to a writer of what?
What is your problem with the Beatles and the Monkeys?
Gravity Falls is a mid-show at best and I will never understand the universal praise it got. I didn’t hate it but I wasn’t that impressed with it either.
Captain Marvel is a self insert for 40 year old white women
>Appropriate Carol Danvers and turn her into a faux feminist with a Mohawk
>Demand she be shoehorned at the last second into the MCU
>Write the character as a hardened wise military dyke but cast a young cute actress to self insert as
>Whole movie is about how she’s the strongest but can’t be the strongest because men hold her back
>Is obviously written into Endgame with rewrites
>Also Karen hair
>Sequel doubles down on not having Larson smile at all because smiling is not tough
Trainwreck of a character
Regular show is probably the 2nd worst modern cartoon right next to steven universe because of how insufferable the characters are, everyone in that show is either an butthole or a moron it just became cynical and the love drama & space season was in the nail in the coffin. Also the humor is duh mom joke lol, and how god awful the animation was in s4 onward looks like static shit from AT.
Pls dont compare Gumball to Adventure time because Gumball is an actual good cartoon, but Adventure is not its a shit cartoon for chud lore homosexuals.
OK KO was garbage and the only reason you didn't hear more people talking shit about it is because so few people watched it
It sorta just happened and that was that.
Sonic was in an episode, but that's basically what people say to you if you ever find yourself in the 1-in-a-million convo about OK KO.
There’s just nothing to talk about. I tried it after a recent Steven Universe binge and outside of tigger being the big bad there is just not a lot going on.
Smiling Friends is unfunny garbage and you only like it due to some weird fanboyism towards the creator(s)
The spiderverse movies are ugly and give me a headache.
Arcane was also ugly.
>spiderverse movies are ugly
holy shit this. just seeing a preview in the theaters made me want to shut my eyes. i was afraid it would trigger a had or migraine, it was so awful just to see a few seconds of it
*a headache*
Cinemaphile needs to stop giving Leah Williams passes because booba. That fricking woman can't write for shit and is currently in third place after Tini Howard (2) and Jason Aaron (1) for the title of 'Destroyer of All That is Good'. That dumb b***h who is constantly injecting 2016 tumblr into all her writing needs to frick off entirely and stick to Wattpad, because even the shittiest, most scummiest writing on AO3 is light-years better than hers.
“Calarts style” is a legitimate complaint, just a stupid, unhelpful name for the problem.
/misc/ posters are better than Cinemaphilemblrinas and the jannies here are unironically troony neets
i disagree. i think at least one of the hall monitors is a far right catholic who froths at the mouth about trannies and lets trannies live in their head rent free
Holy shit this is still up!?
For a shitpost thread I made just to push king’s dogshit WW out of the catalog this is embarrassingly my most successful thread to date.
b***h should move back to Africa then.
Adventure time and Regular show are for Black folk
Zoomers but same thing
Titan A.E. was the most unjustly criticized animated film of the last couple decades and it deserved much better. It should've been a game changer.
true
2010s cartoons > 2000s cartoons > 1990s cartoons
80s cartoons that are thinly-veiled toy commercials are the best.
But anon, Dinosaucers never actually got toys
Aang sucks. He's childish and a wanna be mature alpha. Zutara is the healthier relationship that could and should have happened in Avatar The Last Airbender. All the ones who deny this are probably Aang self-inserts betas. Other than that the series is a 9/10.
Disney's works suck compared to warner bros animation. Disney's old movies before the little mermaid do look marvelous with colors, character, and unique details but its now abandon in modern disney movies. The only thing consumers buying from disney are the minnie/ mickey mouse shirts,Frozen halloween costumes, disney world tickets, and subscription to disney plus cause animation is dead.
The Fantastic Four are inherently unfilmable and cursed to never, ever have a great, or even good, movie adaptation.
Anime and manga has done far more for LGBT acceptance within Western culture than tv shows/comics/cartoons/Disney.
Just tell a fun story.
I've seen homosexuals on Cinemaphile seething that Japanese LGBT material doesn't count because it's fanservice instead of being some kind of social activism. They want to feel oppressed, but also they want to insist that they just want to be seen as normal, and I can't think of anything more normal than having multiple entertainment medium where gay shit and crossdressing and gender bending is something that can be joked about openly and within drama. But it makes sense that American Queers seethe about it because it's not being done in the name of some ill-conceived agenda or push to reeducate the culture.
That's the way it is these days, if you're not pissing off the straight white chuds, you're doing it wrong.
i believe most of it doesn't even fall in within "acceptance" they mostly just focus on writing a fun or specific story.
>pic
...I fully understand why things like Dragon Ball, MHA and One Piece still have a sizable mainstream following now.
Disneys best animated work was in that peroid after the so called golden age and before the renaissance.
Having politics in cartoons is gay doesn't matter which side.
>Eric Stephenson was completely right about licensed comics and the people who exclusively read them
>Action cartoons weren't in a better position a decade ago, they were still cancelled prematurely, got sent to death slots, or got iTunes'd
>Adult fanbases are meaningless for the longevity of cartoons aimed/marketed for children as the target audience
>When recommending comics, its more important to prioritize getting someone into comics as a medium rather than furthering someone's interest in IPs they already are familiar with
>Loregays are to animation what YAgays are to literature
There's a place for comics with a sitcom-like plot like Superman's Girl Friend Lois Lane.
Superman should be beating the shit out of bad guys just as much as he is delivering moral messages and being kind and anyone that wants to tone down that action element is as pretentious and jaded as the people claiming the character is outdated.
>the people claiming the character is outdated
Are trans-Maoists looking to subvert American culture in any way they can.
the most memorble thing to happen to Spider Man is when Sand Man flew inside him and exploded out Spideys guts
Rugrats is fricking garbage.
Harvey Beaks is incredibly overrated I mean yeah it's cute and comfy and all that but to say that it's the best nicktoon to come since A:TLA is absolutely fricking insane
I like Max Gibson, and I think Terry should have ended up with her instead of that vapid harpy Dana
Ladybug movie completely replaces the show and makes it irrelevant.
Gravity Falls was fricking shit and I can't begin to fathom why it's dick gets sucked so much. Is it a meme or something?
What invasion?
- Solar Opposites is more enjoyable than Rick & Morty post S2
- Catwoman is fine as just a quick fling for Batman but absolutely downright AWFUL as a full blown love interest
- Helluva Boss is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be and I'm somewhat curious to see how Hazbin turns out
- Invincible isn't a bad show but I find it's pacing to be slow and it's more hyped by fans than it actually warrants
- Julie Yamamoto was the only the only decent Ben 10 love interest (not counting one-sided crushes like Attea or Looma)
- I genuinely do not understand the hype over The Amazing Digital Circus
- The Harley Quinn show is not Good nor Bad. Its just Meh....
- Sonic and Amy have zero romantic chemistry and Amy herself has just been a boring empty husk ever since they dropped the fangirl aspect of her character
- The Pony Show should be unbanned
- People give Frank Cho way too much shit just for drawing attractive women
- Mary Jane Watson >>>>>>> Black Cat
>- Sonic and Amy have zero romantic chemistry and Amy herself has just been a boring empty husk ever since they dropped the fangirl aspect of her character
Amy in sonic boom's cartoon was good
she is terrible everywhere else.
Amy's problem is that she's horrendously inconsistent
Her personality and relationship with Sonic changes in every show/game.
Sometimes she a damsel in distress. Other times she's a stronk independent wamen
Sometimes Sonic might have a thing for her. Other times he's borderline repulsed
It's all so tiring
>- The Harley Quinn show is not Good nor Bad. Its just Meh....
It's basically just Teen Titans Go for adults. Annoying but largely inoffensive
>Julie Yamamoto was the only the only decent Ben 10 love interest (not counting one-sided crushes like Attea or Looma)
That was Eunice. If she wasn't based off Gwen's dna, she'd be the one.
>- The Pony Show should be unbanned
Nah. Way too late for that. They have their own shit going on now, with numerous threads and dsscusion. Plus they still tend to spam porn here every once and a while.