Technically Duane gave him the go-ahead for his stupid ass plan. It's on him for not asking more questions. "Is this going to cause me unimaginable pain" is NOT a superfluous question when you and your brother were child soldiers
So what is Lem's goal really? Use his dead brother to retrieve Ssael and prove the gods are dead? He stole his brother's family, but surely there's another reason for it.
my entire interpretation >Lemon has gone ratshit crazy from nonstop war where he's constantly being used as a shock troop in the most ridiculous bloody conflicts that pop up with all of his friends dying >copes because this is all in God's plan somehow >Duane casually drops that looking into the khert is possible >begins pondering why the wrights don't just look harder and find Ssael to ask him what his fricking problem is >after Duane's #2 plat died and he pussied out of accepting the realities of war to the rest of his lads, Lemuel stopped looking at him like his infallible big brother >they split for a while, letting Lemuel fester alone on more battlefields >meets Bastion >"Yeah dude my super zombie would dip his soul into the khert every night, totally self aware" >decides to sacrifice Duane >assassination and resurrection gets wienered up completely >Bastion hearthstones back to the other side of the continent, possibly dead, never hear from him again >brother still rises from the dead, oops >now he's left with his sentient zombie brother, a whole lot of regret and no plan
Maybe. I still don't believe Lemuel intended for this to happen to Duane somehow. Maybe Duane wasn't supposed to die or maybe Mikaila was the meant supposed to die and become a zombie. I don't think Lemuel acted that day like he expected this was about to happen
> This theory was very nicely written and goes on for four more posts. It’s not it though, Anon. > > Here is a hint: You can figure out What The Deal Is With Lemuel based solely on things we’ve already seen inside of the comic. Since the comic hasn’t talked meaningfully about The March yet - only mentioned it in passing - it’s probably not worth making it a factor in your speculation. All you need is in chapter 7! All you need, specifically, is Lemuel’s behaviour in chapter 7. > > Once you solve chapter 7, everything in chapter 14 just backs it up. So will everything coming up in our current chapter.
It's kind of clear, especially when we see Lemuel crying before parting with Duane after their sparring match, that Lemuel knew exactly what was going to happen. Whatever reason Lemuel had for doing this, it was in the pursuit of the Ssaelit cause.
And what is the highest purpose of a Ssaelit? To traverse the khert in death and find Ssael.
I don't think so. Duane is special because he's a tacit caster and I suspect that was a requirement for Bastion to turn him into what he currently is. Mikaila is a tacit caster too but that wasn't widely known yet and obviously she isn't the wright her papa is/was.
>Duane is special because he's a tacit caster and I suspect that was a requirement for Bastion to turn him into what he currently is.
Yep, the extra port.
Maybe. I still don't believe Lemuel intended for this to happen to Duane somehow. Maybe Duane wasn't supposed to die or maybe Mikaila was the meant supposed to die and become a zombie. I don't think Lemuel acted that day like he expected this was about to happen
>I still don't believe Lemuel intended for this to happen to Duane somehow
Jesus christ, anon...
> This theory was very nicely written and goes on for four more posts. It’s not it though, Anon. > > Here is a hint: You can figure out What The Deal Is With Lemuel based solely on things we’ve already seen inside of the comic. Since the comic hasn’t talked meaningfully about The March yet - only mentioned it in passing - it’s probably not worth making it a factor in your speculation. All you need is in chapter 7! All you need, specifically, is Lemuel’s behaviour in chapter 7. > > Once you solve chapter 7, everything in chapter 14 just backs it up. So will everything coming up in our current chapter.
It's kind of clear, especially when we see Lemuel crying before parting with Duane after their sparring match, that Lemuel knew exactly what was going to happen. Whatever reason Lemuel had for doing this, it was in the pursuit of the Ssaelit cause.
And what is the highest purpose of a Ssaelit? To traverse the khert in death and find Ssael.
Lem obviously knew, but I don't think he's the main culprit: he insisted on Duane taking Mikaila with him that day, probably hoping that he'll try to run away instead of fighting the assassins.
I mostly agree with this post
https://unsoundedcomic.tumblr.com/post/620145746738626560/how-did-i-not-notice-lemuel-crying-on-0787-also
as the murder was probably orchestrated by Argenti Sr and/or Shadwe Grandvin to villify Cresce and/or Aldish Gefendur.
I dunno, I think… To escape the horrors he’s seen he’s given his agency over to “superiors”.
He does what he does, he’s happy with that much agency - but morals and politics? He’s chosen a master and is loyal to a fault.
From experience it is comfortable to excel but just give away the hard calls to someone getting paid to deal with it.
Yes, he had to allow his brother getting murdered, but it’s the flaw that Quigly dipped into once - a forever once, but still - and the relief of just following orders?
He’s still a c**t but I think that deal explains things. And it opens an interesting character option for if he ever tells Palpatine “actually, nah, it might cost my life but I’m breaking from your control now”.
I'm pretty sure Lemuel's directly stated he thought he could do something like have his cake and eat it too. That he'd thought he'd outsmarted God. The interpretation he could sacrifice his brother for the cause, but still bring him back to life and then conspire with him to go find God or make him make the world better or something. Make things as if it'd never been done.
I don't recall what page it was one, but probably back during their confrontation at the temple.
NTA, but while the meaning is commonly interpreted that a business should bend over backward for the customer, the original meaning is to give the customer what they want even if it's stupid.
>freshly dead Duane talks so much that one guy offers to put the rigor mortis back for free
This made me chuckle. I bet a lot of people forced to hear Duane's preaches since would have paid money for that ability.
>The family print shop shut down even before things really went belly up
That makes me weirdly sad to see, not sure if that was mentioned previously or not
I think the story was that their dad's apprentice didn't work out, the brothers didn't want to follow in his footsteps, so the shop closed when he died. The brothers don't seem to have sold it yet, maybe for sentimental reason. Goodplace to hide a zombiee anyway
Given that we've talked extensively about how Duane's current body is just about run through, and seeing his freshly dead body here, it's fair to wonder: is there a spell to cast on a corpse that restores its fleshiness?
As I've said, if he's to remain as a character his current shambling skeleton can't serve going forward. I'm sure Cope has something in mind.
>is there a spell to cast on a corpse that restores its fleshiness?
Nah. Not how pymary works.
Duane can swap out old limbs for new ones and try to rig them up together, we saw him do that with Turas' leg.
I think you could theoretically build a whole-body prosthetic out of First Materials, as long as you kept the spine intact (and the little silver device holding Duane's soul). It's just that would not only be terrifically expensive, and require superb craftsmanship, but such a request would draw a lot of unwanted attention. So while it's theoretically possible, it's entirely impractical.
I mean, he's probably gonna be captured by the queen of a country that absolutely has the resources and means and he's obviously not going to be able to leave on his own without them letting him go for some reason. If he was ever going to get a new body now would be the time.
>queen
That's mighty optimistic of you, anon. Sonorie's successor won't take the presence of a broken down aldish plod well on top of an aldish attack and black tongue shenanigans.
This. She's had multiple occasions where it would have been an easy flick of the story progression for Cope to kill her, and she's passed through them all. I think Queenie's making it out of this chapter alive.
Ufal's more doubtful, and he worries me more than Sonorie.
No. Ashley has said that if he was good about it he could have kept his flesh in the condition it was in when he started but pymary can't undo neglect or wear and tear. The coolest look would be to replace his body with a dull blown pymaric body but that doesn't fit duane or the conic.
So, against his religious beliefs, Lemuel not only conspires his brother's murder but also condemns him to rot. But he plans it in such a fashion that his brother's rotting form is at least provided a pair of SUPREMELY expensive pymaric eyes. So there was an active plan for him to participate and be present, post-death.
First question is, why didn't Duane remember this sooner? And I think it's because he was freshly rotting. He kept having a hard time holding onto things Lemuel was telling him before Duane knocked him out and fled, so I'll grant that yeah, no wonder he didn't easily remember this conversation.
So what was Lemuel's plan for him?
I think the eyes are needed in order for a dead Duane to use pymary. He can't cast if he can't see, and for him to cast as finely in death as he did in life, he's need that top-shelf pair of eyes. That's why a cheap substitute similar to what Matty has with Chitz won't do, because Duane has to be able to be able to identify highly specific materials and their context.
"You should be paying US." So there's an "us". And I think it's that "us" in particular that has a use for Duane Adelier, the Finest Wright in Centuries. As soon as he was sane again, anyway.
Bet Lemuel got in a world of trouble for losing Duane.
>First question is, why didn't Duane remember this sooner? And I think it's because he was freshly rotting. He kept having a hard time holding onto things Lemuel was telling him before Duane knocked him out and fled, so I'll grant that yeah, no wonder he didn't easily remember this conversation.
We've been repeatedly shown Duane has a habit of avoiding thinking about things that he can't handle. He's extremely skilled at it even.
But yeah, on top of that he's directly stated he was basically completely insane until he got off the boat at Sharteshane. So even with his perfect memory, he was in no state to process that information at the time. And afterwards he'd completely retreated into burying all those memories. Hell, he only just recently rediscovered exactly how his favorite war story actually went done and that's something he used to like to think about. Duane completely walled off his life in Alderode from his present persona in a vain attempt to both avoid being further wounded by how he can no longer truly go back but also because a part of him always knew how truly bad things had gotten and he couldn't confront that.
>"You should be paying US." So there's an "us". And I think it's that "us" in particular that has a use for Duane Adelier,
Lemon goes on to mutter about "the Tannery's frick up" odds are the Tannery is either a euphemism for "the Boys what Make Plods" or for some fricking reason, they were keeping his dead brother in an actual Tannery. Which indeed, would be an excellent way to conceal the smell. One of the main ingredients of tanning in the olden days was human urine. Along with Alkalines, eggs, dog or bird shit all manner of stuff that smells nasty. A corpse would probably be a welcome change, add some variety in the bouquet. Coincidentally any given old school Tannery is going to be well out of town, and god willing up wind.
It's an EU thing for now, but it's basically Durlyne Frummagems AFAIR. The dagger assassin guy was one of them (and apparently his surname was Murkoph)
Aren't Plods completely outlawed in Alderode? Are there entire underground factories of them slaving away secretly for a Plodman to have built a career around them
>Are there entire underground factories of them
You don't need that. It's obvious he's not an industrial manufacturer, given he's talking directly with a single customer about a single plod. There probably is a black market in plods, but for singular uses. Like, literally, criminal muscle. We saw a black tongue how turned a woman into a plod just because her sister wanted her back. Stuff like that. Probably super expensive given he'd be doing particular, one off orders, but still enough that you'd have some black market guy supported by other criminals who want this for one reason or another.
OH SHIT IT'S AN ALDERODE SCENE
Total Lemon death.
Last panel always reminds me of picrel
Is there any redeeming Lemon
If his corpse can feed a family of hungry maggots I'd be willing to call it charity.
Technically Duane gave him the go-ahead for his stupid ass plan. It's on him for not asking more questions. "Is this going to cause me unimaginable pain" is NOT a superfluous question when you and your brother were child soldiers
Why would you want to?
So what is Lem's goal really? Use his dead brother to retrieve Ssael and prove the gods are dead? He stole his brother's family, but surely there's another reason for it.
He almost looks terrified by the implications in
my entire interpretation
>Lemon has gone ratshit crazy from nonstop war where he's constantly being used as a shock troop in the most ridiculous bloody conflicts that pop up with all of his friends dying
>copes because this is all in God's plan somehow
>Duane casually drops that looking into the khert is possible
>begins pondering why the wrights don't just look harder and find Ssael to ask him what his fricking problem is
>after Duane's #2 plat died and he pussied out of accepting the realities of war to the rest of his lads, Lemuel stopped looking at him like his infallible big brother
>they split for a while, letting Lemuel fester alone on more battlefields
>meets Bastion
>"Yeah dude my super zombie would dip his soul into the khert every night, totally self aware"
>decides to sacrifice Duane
>assassination and resurrection gets wienered up completely
>Bastion hearthstones back to the other side of the continent, possibly dead, never hear from him again
>brother still rises from the dead, oops
>now he's left with his sentient zombie brother, a whole lot of regret and no plan
Maybe. I still don't believe Lemuel intended for this to happen to Duane somehow. Maybe Duane wasn't supposed to die or maybe Mikaila was the meant supposed to die and become a zombie. I don't think Lemuel acted that day like he expected this was about to happen
>or maybe Mikaila was the meant supposed to die and become a zombie.
That isn't better. That's actually a bit worse.
https://unsoundedcomic.tumblr.com/post/649656031016861696/heres-my-theory-on-what-happened-to-adelier-lem
> This theory was very nicely written and goes on for four more posts. It’s not it though, Anon.
>
> Here is a hint: You can figure out What The Deal Is With Lemuel based solely on things we’ve already seen inside of the comic. Since the comic hasn’t talked meaningfully about The March yet - only mentioned it in passing - it’s probably not worth making it a factor in your speculation. All you need is in chapter 7! All you need, specifically, is Lemuel’s behaviour in chapter 7.
>
> Once you solve chapter 7, everything in chapter 14 just backs it up. So will everything coming up in our current chapter.
It's kind of clear, especially when we see Lemuel crying before parting with Duane after their sparring match, that Lemuel knew exactly what was going to happen. Whatever reason Lemuel had for doing this, it was in the pursuit of the Ssaelit cause.
And what is the highest purpose of a Ssaelit? To traverse the khert in death and find Ssael.
I don't think so. Duane is special because he's a tacit caster and I suspect that was a requirement for Bastion to turn him into what he currently is. Mikaila is a tacit caster too but that wasn't widely known yet and obviously she isn't the wright her papa is/was.
>Duane is special because he's a tacit caster and I suspect that was a requirement for Bastion to turn him into what he currently is.
Yep, the extra port.
>I still don't believe Lemuel intended for this to happen to Duane somehow
Jesus christ, anon...
Lem obviously knew, but I don't think he's the main culprit: he insisted on Duane taking Mikaila with him that day, probably hoping that he'll try to run away instead of fighting the assassins.
I mostly agree with this post
https://unsoundedcomic.tumblr.com/post/620145746738626560/how-did-i-not-notice-lemuel-crying-on-0787-also
as the murder was probably orchestrated by Argenti Sr and/or Shadwe Grandvin to villify Cresce and/or Aldish Gefendur.
I dunno, I think… To escape the horrors he’s seen he’s given his agency over to “superiors”.
He does what he does, he’s happy with that much agency - but morals and politics? He’s chosen a master and is loyal to a fault.
From experience it is comfortable to excel but just give away the hard calls to someone getting paid to deal with it.
Yes, he had to allow his brother getting murdered, but it’s the flaw that Quigly dipped into once - a forever once, but still - and the relief of just following orders?
He’s still a c**t but I think that deal explains things. And it opens an interesting character option for if he ever tells Palpatine “actually, nah, it might cost my life but I’m breaking from your control now”.
I'm pretty sure Lemuel's directly stated he thought he could do something like have his cake and eat it too. That he'd thought he'd outsmarted God. The interpretation he could sacrifice his brother for the cause, but still bring him back to life and then conspire with him to go find God or make him make the world better or something. Make things as if it'd never been done.
I don't recall what page it was one, but probably back during their confrontation at the temple.
>"customer’s always right" actually being used correctly in this day and age
bravo cope
What sort of technical semantics are you talking about here?
NTA, but while the meaning is commonly interpreted that a business should bend over backward for the customer, the original meaning is to give the customer what they want even if it's stupid.
Of course. It's a seemingly minor distinction, but the differing emphasis is important.
>stupid
And it seems that it was indeed stupid. As I recall from the scene where Duane books it, this is indeed literally why he gets away.
>freshly dead Duane talks so much that one guy offers to put the rigor mortis back for free
This made me chuckle. I bet a lot of people forced to hear Duane's preaches since would have paid money for that ability.
>The family print shop shut down even before things really went belly up
That makes me weirdly sad to see, not sure if that was mentioned previously or not
I mean Duane was a priest and wright and Lemon was a soldier, they weren't exactly working the presses
I think the story was that their dad's apprentice didn't work out, the brothers didn't want to follow in his footsteps, so the shop closed when he died. The brothers don't seem to have sold it yet, maybe for sentimental reason. Goodplace to hide a zombiee anyway
Given that we've talked extensively about how Duane's current body is just about run through, and seeing his freshly dead body here, it's fair to wonder: is there a spell to cast on a corpse that restores its fleshiness?
As I've said, if he's to remain as a character his current shambling skeleton can't serve going forward. I'm sure Cope has something in mind.
Just keep giving him pymaric limbs until he's RoboCop
1. That's not how pymary works.
2. He's been replacing old body parts for ages.
Could they just give him pymaric limbs? It seems like most of his body doesn't actually matter. Mecha Dwayne is the future of guard zombies.
>is there a spell to cast on a corpse that restores its fleshiness?
Nah. Not how pymary works.
Duane can swap out old limbs for new ones and try to rig them up together, we saw him do that with Turas' leg.
I think you could theoretically build a whole-body prosthetic out of First Materials, as long as you kept the spine intact (and the little silver device holding Duane's soul). It's just that would not only be terrifically expensive, and require superb craftsmanship, but such a request would draw a lot of unwanted attention. So while it's theoretically possible, it's entirely impractical.
I mean, he's probably gonna be captured by the queen of a country that absolutely has the resources and means and he's obviously not going to be able to leave on his own without them letting him go for some reason. If he was ever going to get a new body now would be the time.
>queen
That's mighty optimistic of you, anon. Sonorie's successor won't take the presence of a broken down aldish plod well on top of an aldish attack and black tongue shenanigans.
Sonorie's survived so much at this point I'm convinced she's going to make it.
This. She's had multiple occasions where it would have been an easy flick of the story progression for Cope to kill her, and she's passed through them all. I think Queenie's making it out of this chapter alive.
Ufal's more doubtful, and he worries me more than Sonorie.
Duane has yet to have tea with Sonorie, so obviously they both must live until that can happen. Or he'll tell Mikaila he's happy she's good at pymary,
No. Ashley has said that if he was good about it he could have kept his flesh in the condition it was in when he started but pymary can't undo neglect or wear and tear. The coolest look would be to replace his body with a dull blown pymaric body but that doesn't fit duane or the conic.
So, against his religious beliefs, Lemuel not only conspires his brother's murder but also condemns him to rot. But he plans it in such a fashion that his brother's rotting form is at least provided a pair of SUPREMELY expensive pymaric eyes. So there was an active plan for him to participate and be present, post-death.
First question is, why didn't Duane remember this sooner? And I think it's because he was freshly rotting. He kept having a hard time holding onto things Lemuel was telling him before Duane knocked him out and fled, so I'll grant that yeah, no wonder he didn't easily remember this conversation.
So what was Lemuel's plan for him?
I think the eyes are needed in order for a dead Duane to use pymary. He can't cast if he can't see, and for him to cast as finely in death as he did in life, he's need that top-shelf pair of eyes. That's why a cheap substitute similar to what Matty has with Chitz won't do, because Duane has to be able to be able to identify highly specific materials and their context.
"You should be paying US." So there's an "us". And I think it's that "us" in particular that has a use for Duane Adelier, the Finest Wright in Centuries. As soon as he was sane again, anyway.
Bet Lemuel got in a world of trouble for losing Duane.
>First question is, why didn't Duane remember this sooner? And I think it's because he was freshly rotting. He kept having a hard time holding onto things Lemuel was telling him before Duane knocked him out and fled, so I'll grant that yeah, no wonder he didn't easily remember this conversation.
We've been repeatedly shown Duane has a habit of avoiding thinking about things that he can't handle. He's extremely skilled at it even.
But yeah, on top of that he's directly stated he was basically completely insane until he got off the boat at Sharteshane. So even with his perfect memory, he was in no state to process that information at the time. And afterwards he'd completely retreated into burying all those memories. Hell, he only just recently rediscovered exactly how his favorite war story actually went done and that's something he used to like to think about. Duane completely walled off his life in Alderode from his present persona in a vain attempt to both avoid being further wounded by how he can no longer truly go back but also because a part of him always knew how truly bad things had gotten and he couldn't confront that.
>"You should be paying US." So there's an "us". And I think it's that "us" in particular that has a use for Duane Adelier,
Lemon goes on to mutter about "the Tannery's frick up" odds are the Tannery is either a euphemism for "the Boys what Make Plods" or for some fricking reason, they were keeping his dead brother in an actual Tannery. Which indeed, would be an excellent way to conceal the smell. One of the main ingredients of tanning in the olden days was human urine. Along with Alkalines, eggs, dog or bird shit all manner of stuff that smells nasty. A corpse would probably be a welcome change, add some variety in the bouquet. Coincidentally any given old school Tannery is going to be well out of town, and god willing up wind.
It's an EU thing for now, but it's basically Durlyne Frummagems AFAIR. The dagger assassin guy was one of them (and apparently his surname was Murkoph)
>Murkoph
>mfw scummy Murkoph genetics are still infesting this world
I assume the tannery are the assassins who killed Duane, the frick up being nearly killing Mika too.
How do we reconcile that there's no happy ending for Sette and Duane. They're both monsters who have no family that'll accept them.
They have eachother.
Duane is a rotting undead golem, and Sette is some unaging divine homunculus.
Okay? What the frick is your point here?
Like anon said, they have each other.
But for how long
I feel like Unsounded is going to wrap up with Duane turning to dust unable to even say goodbye to Sette
Duane is gonna steal Mikala back from the treacherous Lemon and she'll be her new bodyguard when he bites it for good.
Not a chance Sette's going to make friends with someone who killed one of her gang. She's not wired that way.
Mikaela is going to revile Duane and end up burning him to cinders or something, especially after Lem dies
I suspect that we'll get a heartwarming reunion between the two eventually. But Lem's treachery will probably make it bittersweet.
They'll be their own little family, then.
Aren't Plods completely outlawed in Alderode? Are there entire underground factories of them slaving away secretly for a Plodman to have built a career around them
>Are there entire underground factories of them
You don't need that. It's obvious he's not an industrial manufacturer, given he's talking directly with a single customer about a single plod. There probably is a black market in plods, but for singular uses. Like, literally, criminal muscle. We saw a black tongue how turned a woman into a plod just because her sister wanted her back. Stuff like that. Probably super expensive given he'd be doing particular, one off orders, but still enough that you'd have some black market guy supported by other criminals who want this for one reason or another.
Prostitution's usually illegal too but that doesn't stop it from happening
Why did Lemuel do it?
As a prank.
Oh they're in their dad's print shop.
FRICK YOU LEMUEL!!!
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