>ugly and short
>incredibly incompetent at everything
>is only decent at fighting, her only area of expertise
>is Latino for some reason
>gets to bang the main character and forgiven after lying
Is Vaggie...the writer's self insert?
Vaggie
>ugly and short
>incredibly incompetent at everything
>is only decent at fighting, her only area of expertise
>is Latino for some reason
>gets to bang the main character and forgiven after lying
Is Vaggie...the writer's self insert?
Pilot Vaggie was so hot, what happened?
israelite nose
Just the average Maryland resident. So pretty much.
Her purpose is to be the clean up rag for Charlie's dozens of suitors. She's the most important character in the show.
That's kind of the feeling I get. We can't get distracted with having charlie shipped with every new character so let's gibe her someone to shut the shippers up
>we can't get distracted with having charlie shipped with every new character
But that would be a great way to push engagement. Imagine the shipping wars. Infinite potential content. Up until the conflict reached the writers' room and collapsed the whole studio, I guess.
The show was number 1 on prime during airing
It doesn’t need more engagement
Shippers are still gonna ship even if two characters are together in canon. Look up any popular tv show or movie on AO3, there will be tons of gay shit despite the characters being straight.
Why is a bi girl's lesbian girlfriend being a cuck so hot? Amity is the same way.
Not even saying it as a bad thing, as someone who’s not even anti woke but has developed a fetish for feminist degradation type porn… it’s probably just homophobia or trying to stick to the SJWs manifesting as a taste for politically incorrect NTR. Plus the taboo/ extra bad spit in the face of a lesbian losing her partner with the sex ‘she can’t compete with’, or even implying the big girl has been converted to full heterosexuality. I know people fetishize gay men converting straight men, but is there any ‘lesbianism wins’ type of ntr ships out there?
>but is there any ‘lesbianism wins’ type of ntr ships out there?
Yes, but it's very uncommon around here because the majority of homophobes on Cinemaphile are, and I say this without a hint of irony, homosexual men who absolutely hate the SHIT out of lesbians (and all women, but lesbians especially for being the most women-centric of all)
Lesbians are usually hot pairings, but the woke writters just don't make them work.
So true.
You’re half way right. It kinda feels like Cinemaphile hates pure lesbians more than gay guys sometimes. But as
demonstrates, I think it’s more about how lesbians are the least *sexually available* to men. I’d even argue that bisexual women having a female partner as the endgame ship pisses them off to a lesser extent due to her ‘choosing’ her gay side, and denying them a male character to self insert as. Probably also the reason why I’ve seen mislabel characters like Korra or Marceline/Bubblegum as lesbian as they complain about how those characters relationships and sexualities turned out.
Cinemaphile is moronic.
For me I straight up fetishize bisexual women, but I really like the lesbian being cucked cause they almost always pair up bisexual women with dykes which I hate.
Because that makes it even more shameful for her to secretly enjoy watching her girlfriend get fricked by a man. The more humiliated and pathetic the cuckquean is, the hotter it is. I need to take a shower.
How did she get away with naming the lesbian character vegana?
>Is Vaggie...the writer's self insert?
No? If she was, Vaggie would be dating Alastor.
I think she's cute.
>forgiven after lying
Waow it's almost like if it's about redemption
that's, uh, that's not exactly what redemption means
after lying
Did she lie? Charlie never asked her if she was a murderous angel.
It's not vaggie's fault Charlie is a fricking moron and didn't notice vaggie was wearing exterminator armor, had an angel spear, and was bleeding gold instead of red blood.
Vivzie literally said Charlie and Vaggie were two parts of her, I don't know the exact quote but she mentioned Vaggie being a fiesty latina like her, so yes she's a self insert.
Wait, I found it
>In an interview following the release of Hazbin Hotel on Prime Video, in January 2024, she described herself as a "queer woman on the internet who made something popular" and related herself to her character Charlie Morningstar, saying that both she and Charlie are in a "position of fighting uphill battles to just have our dreams exist," but said that while she relates to her directly, Charlie is determined, plucky, and energetic. Previously, Medrano had described herself, on social media, as a "proud 'fiery' latina," and said that Vaggie was the character she related to most, saying that Vaggie and Charlie "feel like sides of myself."
wish i could make my dream come true too bros...
Be born from money next time, bozo.
Ask Viv's parents for money.
>fiesty latina like her
>Viv being a feisty latina
LOL, LMAO even. Kek.
Wow, that's just sad.
Self inserts and basing characters (at least partially) off yourself happens all the time in fiction. It’s is only really bad/noticeable if either you or the character that is based off yourself is a total loser. Not even Cinemaphile but an example that isn’t that recent or ‘woke’, but still stood out as being an annoying character is Xander from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
No, no I mean-I can overlook self-insertion as a concept, but this is a level of unintentionally humiliation aimed at yourself I've only seen before in I Am Not Starfire. Like if I sat down to write a character based on myself and ended up with Vaggie, I'd just...stop, and reevaluate my life.
>fiesty latina
surely she ment a hoisty latina? That would at least make sense
>pale blonde 3rd generation mutt who has 1 grandpa with a spanish name
Surely she meant just Hoisty.
>decent at fighting
Nah she got beat twice badly.
She's not used to fighting with long hair, didnt you hear!
Not the anon you replied to but, don't you think it's kinda of dumb of her to keep the long hair instead of cutting it? Like she has the experience and thought process to know that long hair = easy clap by enemy. Hell I'm surprised that she didn't use a spanish tactic of bringing a long cape, toss over her enemy head and stabbing them while they're covered in same cape. Battle would be done just as it started
Need fanart of Vaggie like you described.
vegana's whole angel back story being so shoehorned in makes it clear Vivzieblob had no idea what to do with the character when she made the pilot
Quite sure it was intended from the beginning. Why would she spoil the entirety of the show's plot before it was picked up by a studio? She would of had to have the story panned out to be. Changes are only made afterwards by 3rd party producers.
It was retconned so Vaggie would come out of Lute’s body.
The funniest thing is originally she wasn’t even a couple with Charlie, some friend of Viv basically told her she should make them a couple and she ran with it.
It really shouldnt surprise you that things change during development.
Didn’t Adam x Lute happened the same way?
I don't know. At least Adam x Lute is good. Chaggie is not.
She shipped them for a while apparently.
>Three homosexuals (who belong to Hell)
>One straight (who belong to Heaven)
I can’t stop laughing.
>it's the scene where he throws a tantrum and calls her a dumb b***h
Yeah this guy is also partly why Verosika and Wally Wackford will be a ship
Screencap this, come back to it in a couple years
>Another Hellaverse pairing that will consist of one small, silly dude and a tall, bombshell woman ala Roger and Jessica Rabbit
Yeah, I'm thinking based
Yeah, and I can't think of a more lame relationship to put your protagonist in.
It'll be really shitty if 3 seasons later Chaggie is still intact and as boring as ever.
It just feels like an obligatory “healthy wholesome representational gay ship” that was added to throw puritygays a bone. Which is funny because HH otherwise reads like a show made by and for queer freaks with fetishes for rape, toxicity and hypersexuality
I just don't understand why you put your beloved and marketable protagonist in such a soulless and bland relationship. And now you're constrained and trapped with it because twitter freaks tied their identities to these characters.
Might be appealing for an Owl House loving audience looking for a new f/f ship, I dunno.
>because twitter freaks tied their identities to these characters.
But not even Twitter freaks like it, I remember the day the season came out every Twitter troon was calling Charlie x Vaggie "straight yuri" (meaning it's so bad it might as well be a heterosexual relationship)
But which faction of Twitter freaks said that? Because there’s Twitter people who like the show, and Twitter people who are rabid Vivziepop antis.
There's an army of notorious Vivziepop ass-kissers on twitter who worship the ground she walks on.
You guys would be b***hing about forced drama if the Vaggie being an angel drama dragged on for multiple episodes
The fact is you would complain either way: wholesome or angsty
>oh no! shitty popular shows gets load of criticism for their shitty writings! I now must wage war against virgin nerds for my fellow left-leaning troon nerds!
Struck a nerve I see
No. I know when drama is forced, but that wouldn't be it. And I do believe Charlie and Vaggie don't belong together. Charlie would 100% better off with just about anyone... though Alastor is top of the list
its almost like anonymous posters are not a hive mind
woooooow
I don’t think she’s ugly outside of the hook nose- and honestly, the nose mostly just looks out of place because it doesn’t suit the artstyle.
For me it's the voice acting. She can't emote and sounds like she's constantly straining to make a deep voice, and when she sings she suddenly sounds like a completely different person.
I can’t sympathize with a lot of the complaining done over the pilot voices, but Vaggie is a character I’ll make an exception for (also Katie Killjoy.) Just because she’s a grouchy, sarcastic, adult female doesn’t automatically mean she should have a deep, bored sounding voice.
>ugly
YOU SHUT THE FRICK UP YOU FILTHY homosexual!!
Here's the better looking Latina
Now that's a mamita.
I'M NOT HEARING THIS!! VAGGIE IS THE BEST!! THE BEST I SAYS!!
Calm down, Charlie.
Vaggie cries herself to sleep in the basement while Charlie gets comfy and Alastor tucks her in.
Zestial, you lucky motherfricker
>Latina
>angelic
>matriarch of israeli bloodline
Made for BSC
A better angel too.
My headcanon is canon.
>no arms dealer latina dancer mami who can also be your personal trainer
This IS hell.
>south american weapons dealer
checks out
I wonder how high she can make her legs go up while standing...
She deepthroats her own feet.
Every girl mogs her.
Yes, even the short fat one.
Mimzy mogs nobody ever, not even the fat slug thing from Happy Day In Hell.
I don’t even fatgays wanting her, her design is as bad as her inclusion in Hell’s Greatest Dad
Only Pilot Mimzy would mog her, why did they have to give her a israelite nose
Charlie and Emily's girlfriend is CUTE!
Don't care would bang.
she cute
Viv is good at fighting?
>decent at fighting
When was that? She jobbed literally every single time she tried to fight someone.
She'll probably fart
I want to creampie Vaggie until she turns straight
If you can't turn the most man hating lesbian into a proper straight one you are not a man.
The correct thing to do is get both parts of a lesbian couple to start cheating on the other with you, then make them into your harem when they find out.
>ugly
Nah she cute. I guess you have to be a nose patrician to get it. She's a conquistador magnet.
I still think she's a cute
>ugly
Come on man, that's rude.
Vaggie is a gross beast
NO!!
You are gross!
Charlie will make Vaggie work in Hazbin's new brothel wing to interest more sinners.
No feet???
Vaggie is hot
Charlie should've hatefricked her for lying to her like rhat
How is Vaggie a Latina AND an Angel?
Vaggie can have wingboners now, this is important
>random day at the hotel
>vaggie let her wings out by mistake
>charlie becomes a demon and rapes her
>everyone in complete shock
>roll credits
s2 ep 4
I wonder who is the top
I think Vizzie said Vaggie tops.
Of course, Charlie is too innocent
Vaggie: Spear (strap-on)
Charlie: Shield (on receiving end)
Demon mode Charlie: Pitchfork (triple dildo)
>Demon mode Charlie: Pitchfork (triple dildo
But how will that wor... Ooooh... poor Vaggie's vaggie...
>vaggie: single spear
>charlie: triple tipped trident
surely there is a deeper sexual symbolism to all this than just dildo resemblance
Oh that's very important.
>wings become erect when the character gets horny
this is a meme born out of MLP, wingboners. Clop artists have new material it seems, i'm not complaining, just interesting how shit works out.
Ruined it.
my work here is done
No, she's the perfect wife.
>I'm a quirky bisexual because I kiss girls when I'm drunk and lived with a lesbian when I got dumped by the Chad I based my S1 arc villain on.
>All the sex in my cartoon is guy-on-guy but I'm totally into girls, promise.
And it works!
Yeah it's moronic, at least there's other options.
>charlie sexs this every night
🙁
Some nights she goes out to look for 40 year old black men
lesbians don’t “have sex” it’s just mutual masturbation or dry jumping until eventually they get bored and the bedroom dies. The percentage of lesbian couples who outright don’t have sex after a while is staggeringly high
It’s so impossible that God doesn’t even bother with it in hell.
They do not. No sex before marriage.
aren't they married? I remember seeing rings but I don't remember on whose hands
No they are not married. they are just dating.
Adam said theyre fricking, you dont question Adam, right
Yikes
I don’t know why you like that offbrand trixie so much.
What does Vaggie's angelic pussy taste like?
Worse than Lute’s.
Strawberry kiwi.
How much did Chaggie's popularity increase with the release of the series? Is it now more popular than any other Charlie ship?
>popularity
That word has baggage because is it just about the amount of fanworks? Or does it have to be genuine interest
Because sure, you're more likely to encounter Charlie x Vaggie art first before you encounter Charlie x Alastor art, but that's mostly because Charlie x Alastor is seen as problematic and posting it publicly would get you dogpiled. Then there's Charlie x Emily which is more acceptable because they're both girls, but Emily JUST got introduced, so it's gonna take a while for Charlie x Emily fanart to catch up
>>
How the frick does anyone gauge popularity anymore when pixiv is dead aside from Western weeaboos infesting its corpse, Xitter is a clusterfrick where artists refuse to use discoverable hashtags, and everything else is scattered across half a dozen other social media sites that are even more of a pain in the ass? Do people just check the number of fanfictions or what?
>Is it now more popular than any other Charlie ship?
On the fanfic front, yes. When it comes to fanart, I'm not sure. Will this be the case a year from now? Doubt it.
Is Ao3 a reliable source? If that place is known for anything, it's the fact that the gay ships always have more stories. Just look at the Alastor x Angel Dust ship, it has a lot of stories but I haven't really seen people put them together for quite a while now, most people put Angel Dust together with Husk.
>it doesnt count unless it supports my unfounded claims
>Story tagging default pairing should be counted with the ones foccusing it as a central theme
Most of the time the canon ships are tagged as default. You'll find a shitload of Chaggie and Luci×Lilith tagged but under 10% of it is focused on them
Each site has its own niche and the demographics are somewhat different. My impression is that present-day FF.net once again skews more straight while AO3 skews very homosexual thanks to tumblr colonization and its consequences. No idea about Wattpad or whatever else is out there.
Fanfiction in general isn't a good representation of overall audience reception since girls are overwhelmingly more likely to write fanfics than guys. I think AO3's own polling put the ratio at something like 9:1 female/male, and that included pooners.
>I think AO3's own polling put the ratio at something like 9:1 female/male, and that included pooners.
but don't you think it's also the case for the cartoon audience?
Yes, but not to that extreme. Aside from regular Cinemaphile types either hate watching or tuning in to see if Viv somehow managed to save Western animation with the power of dA OCs, I've seen a surprising number of normal-ish guys post about HH on other sites. No idea how they got into it. And then there's popculture nerds and waifu hunters and probably some lost shonen fightgays (think the type of male audiences tricked into watching SU).
Yeah, the problem with Ao3 is that people put a ship in the tags even when that couple is only mentioned in 2 lines, and even many times they put the couple just because at the beginning of the story they are dating. Literally a quick search shows that many stories where Charlie ends up with someone else still have the tag Charlie x Vaggie for the simple fact that at the beginning they were dating only to later break up for some reason.
>Just look at the Alastor x Angel Dust ship, it has a lot of stories but I haven't really seen people put them together for quite a while now, most people put Angel Dust together with Husk
most fics were written before the show came out anon, Angel Dust didn't have chemistry with anyone back then (and Husk was barely even a character)
I am unironically triggered by the fact that HH is still considered a "Web Serie" there
also imma pump these Charlastor numbers
in fanart they still are, which is common in those types of show (plus they are a gay couple). Mainstream canon couples mostly get more of them cause its easier, same thing happened to arcane although Jayce/Viktor gets alot of attention from fujos. But Alastor/Charlie,Silco/Jinx are kinda similar (i still think its easier to write Silco/Jinx given how close they are in the show and Alastor is kinda distant from the others)
Chaggie is more visible than Charlastor within the western side of the fandom because it's the show's main pairing, it's a lesbian one and Charlastor is kind of taboo for various reasons. But I'm 100% sure if we're talking about /core fans/, Chaggie doesn't have too many of them.
Charlastor is still the most popular Charlie pairing in the asian and russian fandoms.
A lot of Charlastor art and posts in Spanish too.
No surprise, they have always been more into relationships with an interesting dynamic, something that Chaggie lacks.
>>is Latino for some reason
Yeah okay with the reveal she's actually an angel I was wondering about that - why is an angel injecting random spanish into her sentences? Why did Adam make a mexican angel?
Hazbin Hotel is just Homestuck 2.0
Honestly I don't really see "Lesbian" as part of Vaggie's character that much. I'd imagine if Charlie were a Charles and still showed her the same kind of love and care then Vaggie would be dating him all the same.
Vaggie is a lesbian
No fricking shit, that's not what I said.
>latino
latina
Latino applies to both genders
Latinx.
I think Vaggie is cute on occasion. The problem is that she goes off model fairly often like every other character. I would actually argue Nu Vaggie is prettier than Nu Charlie in most scenes.
>"adults only" animated series
>no nudity
why do yopu want cartoon nudity
why wouldn't you?
No one care scat satan.
I'm actually glad there's no nudity in this case, you can't convince me Hazbin Hotel's audience isn't entirely children
But we should really bring back the teen rating. Right now it seems like Western animation is in a state of either preschool baby shit or Family Guy derivatives
Uh... Angel Dust goes full nude? Just because there's no genitals exposed doesn't mean there's no nudity.
Does showing an unclothed Ken doll count as nudity?
His dick is probably nonhumanoid and I doubt Amazon would allow that
Okay seriously, what is the deal with AngelDust
He's a dude right, what is up with the puffy chest then?
It's just that, chest fuzz. Shaped to look like breasts cause he's a crossdresser.
If he'd want to he could propably shave it off.
I'm convinced Vivzie saw this image or something very like it back in the day, instantly thought
>wow fluffy spider breasts
and reverse-engineered Angel's design from there despite it making no goddamn anatomical sense for either species.
Nice spooder.
Full frontal breasts would be nice.
you deserve bad cartoons
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Will Charlie's ex-boyfriend show up in Season 2?
>establish that only angel's weapons can harm angels
>except some rubble falling on top of them can too
ALL they had to do was to make the angels super fast and strong.
Then the "only angelic steel can hurt them" argument becomes lesss of an issue because even if you could harm them, its a tough fight either way.
But no, not only they kept the angelic steel plothole, they ALSO made the angels weak as frick that random nobodies can take them down.
Can't say that i'm suprised, sadly, but as someone who was incredibly interested in these beings for years... yeah... this fricking HURTS
she was just stuck and chose to rip her arm off because she's autistic
Vaggie hate is the surest sign of a sniveling, weak little boy. You're telling on yourselves, anons...
Dispute even just one of the points. I'll wait.
If you insist.
>>ugly and short
Girls are supposed to be short, you sound like a jealous troony.
Her only ugly feature is her nose, she's otherwise cute, fit and sexy unless you're just not into chicks.
Her thigh game is strong. Short? Nah, try shortstack. She's a solid 8/10.
incompetent at everything
Except fighting, which OP admits in this next "point":
>>is only decent at fighting, her only area of expertise
This isn't an issue. She's decent at fighting and is basically a live-in bodyguard.
You don't go to the doctor and get mad like "This man's only good at healthcare" do you?
No, because that would be dumb.
>>is Latino for some reason
Not sure how/why this is a problem. You're saying she's spicy AND taco nights would be fricking fire? Sign me up.
>>gets to bang the main character and forgiven after lying
First isn't a problem, it's based, and I believe it's one of the reasons for Vaggie hate: Jealousy.
Second reason is shipgays who want to pair Charlie with someone else, like Alastor or Emily.
Third reason is jealous trannies who stand 6'1". Shave a little closer, that 5 o'clock shadow's coming in.
Forgiven after lying I will give you, but it's not a problem on Vaggie's side. My issue with the writing there was Charlie.
They didn't get over it by talking it through like they should have, instead Charlie talked to a stranger she just met about it who told her "but u WUV her rite???"
It magically made Charlie okay with what she'd learned. It was an opportunity for growth for BOTH characters and they wasted it completely.
A heartfelt scene where the two fought it out and grew together would have added some much-needed weight and history to their relationship.
Could have also snuck in some additional Vaggie backstory. But hey, why not just have Rosie slap a bandaid on it?
"shortstack" means "short" and "stacked" and Vaggie is sorely lacking in the stacked department.
She's stacked from the waist down. Does that make her a halfstack?
Honestly Viv shot herself in the foot by having Charlie learn about Vaggie being an angel so early on only to have it all work out two episodes later. The problem with Chaggie is that there is really nothing interesting about it, there is no tension in the relationship and even Vaggie not having complete trust in the hotel does nothing to make her relationship with Charlie anything more than a boring and chemistry-less relationship, the discovery of Vaggie being an angel could have been what finally gave the relationship something to make it interesting, with Charlie having to deal with the fact that the person he trusted the most was lying to him and was part of the group that has been exterminating his people while Vaggie would have to find a way to regain Charlie's trust, but instead Viv had the two barely interact and everything was resolved by conversations they had with characters they had never interacted with before.
Now there is no way to make the relationship anything more than a generic relationship, any kind of conflict that might have existed between the two has completely disappeared.
A healthy relationship is refreshing in its own right amidst a sea of repetitive drama and angst ones.
A healthy relationship can certainly be interesting when the characters have a dynamic that is entertaining to watch, but Chaggie really doesn't, there is no moment of the two of them together where I really felt that what I was watching was entertaining, they both have much more interesting and entertaining relationships with other characters.
>claim like healthy relationship
>WAIT NO NOT THAT KIND IT NEEDS TO BE QUIRKY AND WEIRD AND FULL ON ADHD
At this point you're just arguing for argument's sake.
Are you an idiot? I never said a relationship must have any of those things to be interesting or entertaining, what it must have is chemistry and attention grabbing interactions, and Chaggie has neither of those, just look at how even the song where Charlie and Vaggie make up is barely mentioned by people talking about the episode.
>nobody likes this pairing
>really?
>i read at least three Cinemaphile threads, trust me bro
At this point you're just arguing for argument's sake.
Wow, you really like to make things up, don't you? I never said anyone liked Chaggie, I just said that the part where they reconcile is barely mentioned, which is true, almost everyone when they talk about the episode focuses on other parts, even those that really don't have much importance
Yeah, he's an idiot
>nobody cared about their reconciliation
>really?
>I read at least three Cinemaphile threads, trust me bro
At this point you're just arguing for argument's sake.
>At this point you're just arguing for argument's sake.
>At this point you're just arguing for argument's sake.
Kek.
dosen't make it entertaining tho
It's not supposed to be entertaining, just cute, and to make you jealous of not having a gf.
>Now there is no way to make the relationship anything more than generic, any kind of conflict that might have existed between the two has completely disappeared.
This could have been fixed if Vaggie still had sympathy for her ex-colleagues that put her at odds with Charlie's plan to kill a bunch of angels and feed them to the cannibals. But oops, she despised Adam and Lute, and the dozens of other exterminators they killed were just faceless nobodies. Anyone she still might care about up in heaven now is also likely someone Charlie would also rather spare, eg. Emily.
The only way I can see future conflict between them is if Charlie were to embrace her badass princess of hell side a little too hard, or something like that. Or if someone else she's involved with turns out to be a terrible influence, like Lucifer or Alastor. I don't think Vivz will go there.
Vaggie is infinitely more interesting as Adam and Lute’s daughter than as Charlie’s lover.
Rather them just be normal. Drama gets old.
Drama gets old when it's the only thing in the relationship, but in small amounts it can be great for making the couple feel more authentic, and the problem with Charlie x Vaggies relationship is that it has nothing, Viv refuses to let the relationship be anything more than both saying they love each other even though there are things like Vaggie's lack of faith in the hotel or her status as a former angel that could make the relationship more complex
My problem with their relationship is the show did very little to seperate Charlie and Vaggie's relationship from platonic friendship despite them officially being dating, while it was obvious that Charlie trusted Vaggie and Vaggie provided plenty of support to Charlie they didn't do much above being close friends until the final episode, honestly just including a few more tender scenes where Charlie could be privately vulnerable with only Vaggie and in turn receive comfort and support that only lovers share would have been a lot more endearing.
i think hazbin would’ve worked better as a webcomic like zoophobia.
it’s not hard to see viv rushed through all the important bits, she wanted what svtfoe and steven universe had where they had all these episodes with hidden lore and getting to know the characters more.
but what We got was the ones she wanted to get to, so after 5 episodes they already cut to 5 months later with the extra episodes gone.
the ending with the new hotel was for sure not supposed to be season 1
unless this was her wanting to get rid of the hotel quick because she thought of a cooler new design
>unless this was her wanting to get rid of the hotel quick because she thought of a cooler new design
I think she wanted to quickly progress the hotel by getting into the first redeemed sinner and establishing hooks for the overall reason why Sinners would want to go to Heaven.
Honestly I always saw Chaggie's popularity as a popularity just based on them being canon, their fans like them but they don't have many fans that really do much with the ship other than say they like it. In comparison other ships like Angel Dust x Husk and Charlastor have much more creative fans, the fact that there are so many comics and fandubs about these relationships serves me to believe this, even more so with Charlastor with which there are people who have even made songs about the relationship between the two, something I haven't seen happen with Chaggie.
They don't feel the need to bang drums because it's already canon.
Nah, it's because their relationship is dull as frick. Everyone and their mother already knows it's just a matter lf time until Huskerdust will be canon yet fujos are still super dedicated to this ship.
Stoltz disproves that
I’m going to test how it’s like to write Adam’s dialogue without swearing or Viv’s “edginess”:
>“So I was playing this gig, and for some annoying reason, this virtue Chick was digging on the drummer, and it’s like, do you know who I am, I’m his pa, Adam, the original man, all man descend from this. If you think you want the drummer, no way, he’s a lost cause. So anyway, and they banged, and it was awesome. Hmm, what did you do this weekend?”
I’m Adam!
I’m the first man, and you’re just some freaky clown or something.
I started everything on Earth.
All of mankind came from these nuts.
You all should be worshipping me, you ungrateful, disgusting, worthless losers!
Love this. Who is the artist?
https://twitter.com/IvichuJ/status/1755352195174637832?t=vT8N9CA_ydJ1Q81oUWsI2g&s=19
Thanks m8
Charlie/Vaggie/Emily is Hasbin's NTRkino
I knida want to write a fanfic about it
Do it
>Ugly
I like her, she cute
>incredibly incompetent at everything
That's gap moe
>Self insert
Obviously not
Oh, wait - I'm being moronic. Stacked only refers to breasts. I have misunderstood that phrase for a long time.
>was that you trying to be sexist or racist?
Why would Vaggie care about some social custom when she's a former genocider? This is why she seems like a self insert
Vaggie didn't win.
I have a bad feeling that Lucifer wasn’t mispronouncing it and he would tried to do it on Lute on Season 2.