not in the books
but in the books the role of the others is meant to be looming force of nature crisis a la global warming to show how medieval fantasy world is just like ours!
so yeah either way it’s moronic
"Dude it's global warming" is such a boring interpretation. I think the ultimate point is supposed to be that they're just a weird alien race trying to survive and you perceive them as archetypal evil demons simply because that's what fantasy tropes have programmed you to think. Remember GRRM was a sci-fi writer before anything else.
All allegories and ''deep meanings'' are trash. It's the most bottom b***h midwit attempt at trying to look smart >woah, this thing in my fiction is similar to this thing in real life???
You have to be a genuine moron to be impressed by this shit.
The only times this kind of crap is acceptable is when you live under a totalitarian rule so you smuggle in hidden meanings into the text that would be censored if spoken openly.
Anyone can read trash and come to their own dumb midwit opinions. White walkers have been compared to global warming and atomic weapons. >woah, the weather changes, they're like climate change >woah, these things were made as a weapon, but it's a really strong weapon that can destroy us all? that's just like nuclear weapons
Only a fricking moron is impressed by this kind of shit. Nothing about this is clever in any way and any focus on this kind of garbage is immersion breaking and makes the fiction worse
All allegories and ''deep meanings'' are trash. It's the most bottom b***h midwit attempt at trying to look smart >woah, this thing in my fiction is similar to this thing in real life???
You have to be a genuine moron to be impressed by this shit.
The only times this kind of crap is acceptable is when you live under a totalitarian rule so you smuggle in hidden meanings into the text that would be censored if spoken openly.
Anyone can read trash and come to their own dumb midwit opinions. White walkers have been compared to global warming and atomic weapons. >woah, the weather changes, they're like climate change >woah, these things were made as a weapon, but it's a really strong weapon that can destroy us all? that's just like nuclear weapons
Only a fricking moron is impressed by this kind of shit. Nothing about this is clever in any way and any focus on this kind of garbage is immersion breaking and makes the fiction worse
he said it verbatim, fricking morons. its not an interpretation. and I clearly said it was moronic of him to do.
>troony samegays to rant about muh interpretation >absolutely btfo by fat old man’s literal words >calls others samegay troony
god damn I’m laughing so hard thanks moron anon
>author says x thing means y >simply inform anons that x means y according to the author >ugh you can’t say that cuz death of the author! haha I win!
you really just wanted to have your little tirade about interpretation didn’t you
Sorry I wasn't very clear - my point is that it needs a satisfying in-story explanation as well and that writing it off as JUST a parallel to some real life thing as if that were sufficient and therefore needs no further in-universe explanation, is boring. And I don't think that is/was the intention of GRRM, there is obviously an idea behind The Others beyond simply being allegorical to something in real life. If GRRM says "x character is like drumpf" (he probably has) that doesn't mean that character's nature and motivations don't have explanations and exploration within the text. So yeah I choose to ignore the allegorical element. I'm not the anon calling you troony fyi.
7 months ago
Anonymous
> And I don't think that is/was the intention of GRRM
See
and > In 2018, Martin told The New York Times that his story is “a perfect metaphor for understanding climate change.” In Thrillist, Eric Vilas-Boas identifies the core of the parallel—the moral dilemma of being past “the point of no return,” which forces the characters to choose how to face an uncertain future.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The "intention" I'm referring to there is having no further idea behind The Others beyond being a metaphor. Like if the books (were somehow) finished and we learn absolutely new about The Others and they were just this thing the protagonists stopped by teaming up - I don't think that was ever the intention. The OP is about in-story explanations for things, so that's what I'm talking about.
7 months ago
Anonymous
fair enough, there’s still no clear idea if he ever planned to puss out with a “le final evil battle” or not. maybe he thought he could somehow approach supernatural evil force trope differently. but he definitely intended them to be a force of nature threat everyone ignored amid mounting debt and endless infighting. don’t think he planned a night king dark lord, but maybe he thought they would become yet another tool that characters use to play the game.
he definitely is never finishing Winds, let alone the others, so I guess he doesn’t have to resolve it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It seems to me that the humans had made some kind of long forgotten agreement with the Others.
Somehow they broke their end of the bargain and the Others are coming south to claim their rightful land.
That's how I would do it anyway.
7 months ago
Anonymous
but how would you resolve this conflict? What’s a satisfying way to finish it?
7 months ago
Anonymous
The humans get back on their space ship and leave?
"Dude it's global warming" is such a boring interpretation. I think the ultimate point is supposed to be that they're just a weird alien race trying to survive and you perceive them as archetypal evil demons simply because that's what fantasy tropes have programmed you to think. Remember GRRM was a sci-fi writer before anything else.
All allegories and ''deep meanings'' are trash. It's the most bottom b***h midwit attempt at trying to look smart >woah, this thing in my fiction is similar to this thing in real life???
You have to be a genuine moron to be impressed by this shit.
The only times this kind of crap is acceptable is when you live under a totalitarian rule so you smuggle in hidden meanings into the text that would be censored if spoken openly.
Anyone can read trash and come to their own dumb midwit opinions. White walkers have been compared to global warming and atomic weapons. >woah, the weather changes, they're like climate change >woah, these things were made as a weapon, but it's a really strong weapon that can destroy us all? that's just like nuclear weapons
Only a fricking moron is impressed by this kind of shit. Nothing about this is clever in any way and any focus on this kind of garbage is immersion breaking and makes the fiction worse
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he said it verbatim, fricking morons. its not an interpretation. and I clearly said it was moronic of him to do.
People who say 'waaaaaah it's global warming, such a hack, modurn politics out of my fantasy!!!' because they get triggered by climate science are 'tards anyway, obviously, just look at them 'tarding it up. But also they're obvious morons in another way, i.e. the basics of reading comprehension.
I don't even like this fricker, but look at this
; someone else brought it up and what do you expect him to say? 'No, it's totally unlike climate change frick you'? If there is a comparison it's not to make you feel like they're sipping lattes somewhere in Dorne and worrying about carbon emissions. It's meant to be that its a looming disaster a single person can't really do much about that is going to completely frick their world.
If I was gonna guess if he'd wanted to do a proper explanation he'd have gone into things like the history he based this shit on and stuff like the little ice age that fricked over europe for a few hundred years. But he saves his autism for having little girls raped into submission in his books so just nodded and went along with it.
>um he actually didn’t mean what he said, he was held hostage at gunpoint and forced to agree it was about climate change
all these mental gymnastics to cope, and to defend a fat old man who can’t finish his books.
>someone else brought it up and what do you expect him to say? 'No, it's totally unlike climate change frick you'?
Subhuman brainlet moron
What he should have said is ''no, it's an army of zombies that turn weather cold through magic, did you read my book, brainlet homosexual? have a nice day, trans freak.''
Anon, this is one of many reasons why Martin is going to be remembered when he dies (like any moment) and you have to run naked into the street screaming and smearing yourself with shit to have anyone remember you exist now.
He will be remembered because he lucked out and someone bought the rights to make a tv show from his shitty books.
It's insane that you think calling random people online nobodies is insulting, this coming from a troony homosexual who will not even be found years after he kills himself.
in the books, the Others are greenseers who invaded the Weirwood net, which is a mass consciousness. the word "Green see-r" is supposed to call to mind a sea of green, or a psychedelic ocean where the consciousness can float unabated. when the greenseers invaded, they forced out the original inhabitants of the Weirwood net, and sea of green froze over, giving rise to the Others, who are trapped in a nightmarish 9th Circle of Hell type of situation, their souls are frozen over and manifest into material reality as the "Others"
nowhere in my post did I say otherwise. In fact, what I said is he’s not in the books, and in the books the meaning behind the Others is on the same level of moronic. just like you, moron.
The books were always shit. The only reason GoT had any popularity is because the showrunners pulled of something great with the first season, not because of the writing but because of casting, music and costumes.
It's a shame that they didn't pick any other book and just make 4 good season and then end it. They just had to pick Game of Thrones.
It could have been any medieval show with or without magic.
It's just like Walking Dead. The source material is shit, there's nothing special about it. The showrunner simply had one good season that was good because of directing and actors.
The show that was working off what GERM told the the two israelites had Euron and the Others be total shit and completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. All the cool ideas that Euron was a failed potential disciple that was driven mad by Bloodraven's dreams and now he's like an anti-Christ figure, with the Others being snow elves in castles far off in the Lands of Always Winter, none of it means a thing. And even if they were relevant, the fat man is going to die before he gets anything out about them. It's over, enjoy more Wild Cards before he croaks on his lobster
>heh Tolkien is such an idiot with him objectively evil villain, put that in a bunch of clickbait articles calling me better than Tolkien! >W-why are you making fun of me for having an objectively evil villain? Tolkien did it!
The Others are the exiled hivemind that lived within the Weirwood of old dead greenseers. They cannot die when they stabbed nor do they need babies to make more of them, they are merely temporary physcial manfiestations that need blood sacrifices to remanifest. When Craster didn't have boys he gave them sheep to tie them over until they get a human being since they have more life energy to drain
>the guy playing the Night King is the same guy from TDKR to whom Bane says "do you feel in charge?"
Huh
Does the Night King even speak? I never watched this slop
not in the books
but in the books the role of the others is meant to be looming force of nature crisis a la global warming to show how medieval fantasy world is just like ours!
so yeah either way it’s moronic
there is no night king in the books
grrm is a fricking moron
long live eragon.
>there is no night king in the books
literally what the first line of my post says
I think maybe other anon was confused and thought you meant
“He’s not evil in the books just for the sake of being evil”
figured. I meant “[that character’s] not in the books”
nice backpedal homosexual
>Eragon
*Ardwen - Arwen
*Isenstar - Isengard
*Mithrim - Mithrim or mithril
*Angrenost - Angrenost
*Morgothal - Morgoth
*Elessari - Elessar
*Furnost - Fornost
*Hadarac - Harad
*Melian - Melian
*Vanilor - Valinor
*Eridor - Eriador
*Imiladris - Imladris
*Undin - Fundin/Udun
*Gil'ead - Gil'Galad
*Ceranthor - Caranthir
*Isidar - Isildir
*Oromis - Orome
*Eragon - Aragorn
While you could draw similarity between "Eragon" and "Aragorn", I feel like the actual origin is that it's just the word "Dragon" with an "E".
>global warming
Wah, wah
>We're making the planet too hot so it's going to freeze.
"Dude it's global warming" is such a boring interpretation. I think the ultimate point is supposed to be that they're just a weird alien race trying to survive and you perceive them as archetypal evil demons simply because that's what fantasy tropes have programmed you to think. Remember GRRM was a sci-fi writer before anything else.
All allegories and ''deep meanings'' are trash. It's the most bottom b***h midwit attempt at trying to look smart
>woah, this thing in my fiction is similar to this thing in real life???
You have to be a genuine moron to be impressed by this shit.
The only times this kind of crap is acceptable is when you live under a totalitarian rule so you smuggle in hidden meanings into the text that would be censored if spoken openly.
Anyone can read trash and come to their own dumb midwit opinions. White walkers have been compared to global warming and atomic weapons.
>woah, the weather changes, they're like climate change
>woah, these things were made as a weapon, but it's a really strong weapon that can destroy us all? that's just like nuclear weapons
Only a fricking moron is impressed by this kind of shit. Nothing about this is clever in any way and any focus on this kind of garbage is immersion breaking and makes the fiction worse
he said it verbatim, fricking morons. its not an interpretation. and I clearly said it was moronic of him to do.
dilate troony
>proven wrong
>call a troony
>run away from thread
kek
dilate your brains out troony freak
lmao seethe
troony samegayging
>troony samegays to rant about muh interpretation
>absolutely btfo by fat old man’s literal words
>calls others samegay troony
god damn I’m laughing so hard thanks moron anon
Dilate you trans freak
hahahahaha so fricking funny how wrong you were
lmao seethe
hahahaha
Death of the author innit. (literally will be the death of the author before we find any of this shit out anyway KEK)
>author says x thing means y
>simply inform anons that x means y according to the author
>ugh you can’t say that cuz death of the author! haha I win!
you really just wanted to have your little tirade about interpretation didn’t you
Sorry I wasn't very clear - my point is that it needs a satisfying in-story explanation as well and that writing it off as JUST a parallel to some real life thing as if that were sufficient and therefore needs no further in-universe explanation, is boring. And I don't think that is/was the intention of GRRM, there is obviously an idea behind The Others beyond simply being allegorical to something in real life. If GRRM says "x character is like drumpf" (he probably has) that doesn't mean that character's nature and motivations don't have explanations and exploration within the text. So yeah I choose to ignore the allegorical element. I'm not the anon calling you troony fyi.
> And I don't think that is/was the intention of GRRM
See
and
> In 2018, Martin told The New York Times that his story is “a perfect metaphor for understanding climate change.” In Thrillist, Eric Vilas-Boas identifies the core of the parallel—the moral dilemma of being past “the point of no return,” which forces the characters to choose how to face an uncertain future.
The "intention" I'm referring to there is having no further idea behind The Others beyond being a metaphor. Like if the books (were somehow) finished and we learn absolutely new about The Others and they were just this thing the protagonists stopped by teaming up - I don't think that was ever the intention. The OP is about in-story explanations for things, so that's what I'm talking about.
fair enough, there’s still no clear idea if he ever planned to puss out with a “le final evil battle” or not. maybe he thought he could somehow approach supernatural evil force trope differently. but he definitely intended them to be a force of nature threat everyone ignored amid mounting debt and endless infighting. don’t think he planned a night king dark lord, but maybe he thought they would become yet another tool that characters use to play the game.
he definitely is never finishing Winds, let alone the others, so I guess he doesn’t have to resolve it.
It seems to me that the humans had made some kind of long forgotten agreement with the Others.
Somehow they broke their end of the bargain and the Others are coming south to claim their rightful land.
That's how I would do it anyway.
but how would you resolve this conflict? What’s a satisfying way to finish it?
The humans get back on their space ship and leave?
People who say 'waaaaaah it's global warming, such a hack, modurn politics out of my fantasy!!!' because they get triggered by climate science are 'tards anyway, obviously, just look at them 'tarding it up. But also they're obvious morons in another way, i.e. the basics of reading comprehension.
I don't even like this fricker, but look at this
; someone else brought it up and what do you expect him to say? 'No, it's totally unlike climate change frick you'? If there is a comparison it's not to make you feel like they're sipping lattes somewhere in Dorne and worrying about carbon emissions. It's meant to be that its a looming disaster a single person can't really do much about that is going to completely frick their world.
If I was gonna guess if he'd wanted to do a proper explanation he'd have gone into things like the history he based this shit on and stuff like the little ice age that fricked over europe for a few hundred years. But he saves his autism for having little girls raped into submission in his books so just nodded and went along with it.
>um he actually didn’t mean what he said, he was held hostage at gunpoint and forced to agree it was about climate change
all these mental gymnastics to cope, and to defend a fat old man who can’t finish his books.
>someone else brought it up and what do you expect him to say? 'No, it's totally unlike climate change frick you'?
Subhuman brainlet moron
What he should have said is ''no, it's an army of zombies that turn weather cold through magic, did you read my book, brainlet homosexual? have a nice day, trans freak.''
Anon, this is one of many reasons why Martin is going to be remembered when he dies (like any moment) and you have to run naked into the street screaming and smearing yourself with shit to have anyone remember you exist now.
He will be remembered because he lucked out and someone bought the rights to make a tv show from his shitty books.
It's insane that you think calling random people online nobodies is insulting, this coming from a troony homosexual who will not even be found years after he kills himself.
in the books, the Others are greenseers who invaded the Weirwood net, which is a mass consciousness. the word "Green see-r" is supposed to call to mind a sea of green, or a psychedelic ocean where the consciousness can float unabated. when the greenseers invaded, they forced out the original inhabitants of the Weirwood net, and sea of green froze over, giving rise to the Others, who are trapped in a nightmarish 9th Circle of Hell type of situation, their souls are frozen over and manifest into material reality as the "Others"
>weirwood net
this one is worse than Preston’s baby’s first punnit squares theory
Preston's fanfiction WILL be enshrined as canon upon GRRM's death, and you WILL like it.
him being a metaphor for thing le bad doesn’t make him not simply le bad as a character
nowhere in my post did I say otherwise. In fact, what I said is he’s not in the books, and in the books the meaning behind the Others is on the same level of moronic. just like you, moron.
Is a cat evil because it maims and devours a sparrow?
yes
what the sparrow is evil, and the cat is defeating evil?
Sparrows are dicks.
The books were always shit. The only reason GoT had any popularity is because the showrunners pulled of something great with the first season, not because of the writing but because of casting, music and costumes.
It's a shame that they didn't pick any other book and just make 4 good season and then end it. They just had to pick Game of Thrones.
It could have been any medieval show with or without magic.
It's just like Walking Dead. The source material is shit, there's nothing special about it. The showrunner simply had one good season that was good because of directing and actors.
what was his tax policy again...??
We recycle on tuesdays
Tax season is during winter
100% death tax
How come GoT doesn't have an equivalent to LOTR's taxposting or Harry Potter's HOWEVER and hesaidcalmlyposting
If the ww zombird die when their creators got killed,why didnt this homosexual die when the children of the forest got killed?
I don't know why you act so surprised when people like putin exist irl
The show that was working off what GERM told the the two israelites had Euron and the Others be total shit and completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. All the cool ideas that Euron was a failed potential disciple that was driven mad by Bloodraven's dreams and now he's like an anti-Christ figure, with the Others being snow elves in castles far off in the Lands of Always Winter, none of it means a thing. And even if they were relevant, the fat man is going to die before he gets anything out about them. It's over, enjoy more Wild Cards before he croaks on his lobster
that’s one of the less-worse possibilities, that they’re a big fakeout. it’s not ideal, but not nearly as bad as the alternatives.
I thought the Seastone Throne made people crazy.
What was the night king thinking as arya murdered him?
>Chill out!
How great his tax policy would've been.
>think unsexy thoughts, think unsexy thou-ACK
is evil because..
>>he just is
He wanted to start the industrial revolution.
He was unironically autistic.
so same thing then
He was the fantasy version of that time when yoko ono started screeching over everyone else trying to play good music
He just wanted to lord over everyone, no? Plenty of power hungry fricks around.
>heh Tolkien is such an idiot with him objectively evil villain, put that in a bunch of clickbait articles calling me better than Tolkien!
>W-why are you making fun of me for having an objectively evil villain? Tolkien did it!
The Others are the exiled hivemind that lived within the Weirwood of old dead greenseers. They cannot die when they stabbed nor do they need babies to make more of them, they are merely temporary physcial manfiestations that need blood sacrifices to remanifest. When Craster didn't have boys he gave them sheep to tie them over until they get a human being since they have more life energy to drain
Dickon*
>the guy playing the Night King is the same guy from TDKR to whom Bane says "do you feel in charge?"
Huh
Does the Night King even speak? I never watched this slop
It's not
he copied it from lotr
Have you met leftoids? That’s realistic.