The dumb Jesus analogy is hackneyed and not supported by anything in the universe. You can tell because they dropped this shit like it was George leaving a stinky turd in his already stupid prequels. It adds nothing, it has no consequences for anything, by the time he made this asspull he’d already made the trilogy people loved where Luke’s heroism didn’t need any fricking Jesus analogy or predestination talk about prophecies Georgie couldn’t keep straight for three movies. Remember that? Remember him making up prophecies that didn’t even make sense so he had to retcon them despite knowing what they were supposed to be the entire time?
Yeah that’s fricking dumb. Or just not giving a shit in the first place.
yeah no that's not the case at all, palpatine is the devil/hitler/insert common enemy archetype and rey being a woman makes her eve, and remember what happened when eve ate the forbidden fruit of knowledge
Nah you got it all backward. Luke is Satan and Palpatine is God the father. It's called an inverted hermeneutic. It's judeo-masonic shit where Satan is the good guy and God is an evil oppressive tyrant and Jesus is his mindless slave.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Luke is Satan
wrong, anakin is lucifer the fallen angel, that painting meme that people like to post
but beyond that palpatine has always been the manipulating snake in the garden of eden, only a fool would suggest otherwise
1 month ago
Anonymous
You're out of your depth here. Vader is supposed to be Jesus (immaculate conception, chosen one) and the lucifer imagery is very deliberate. Christ is supposed to be the bad guy in this story. It's based on the book of Enoch which is where the story of fallen angels come from. In the OT, Luke is Samyaza and Han Solo is Azazel who are the two leaders of the fallen angels who rebelled against God.
1 month ago
Anonymous
you're wrong again. vader starts as jesus and then inverts into lucifer. also the book of enoch isn't canon.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>vader starts as jesus and then inverts into lucifer.
That makes no sense at all. >also the book of enoch isn't canon.
It's what israelites and Freemasons believe and is the basis of a surprising amount of Hollywood movies, including Star Wars and Star Trek. You're acting moronic.ka
1 month ago
Anonymous
>That makes no sense at all.
Because you're fricking autistic. Anakin's a composite of Jesus and Lucifer from Paradise Lost.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Anakin's a composite of Jesus and Lucifer from Paradise Lost
Whatever. Freemasons believe lucifer is a title anyways and that Christ was a lucifer. He's not supposed to be a fallen angel though, that's what Luke and Han are. Star Wars (the OT, at least) is a loose retelling of The Man Who Would Be King with space wizards. The prequels are moreso based on actual history with the birth of Christ and the later destruction of Judea (Order 66 = 66 A.D, the start of the israeli-Roman wars). Anakin is Jesus and the Empire are the Romans who destroy the yehudi temple and force them into exile.
It was implied Sheev knew secret dark techniques to conceive children that would be powerful in the force and that he came to the planet and impregnated her.
>*forcefully inseminates you* >*waves hand at you* >I did not forcefully inseminate you >You did not forcefully inseminate me >you want to get me a space beer and call me a space taxi >How about a beer and then I'll call you a cab?
Just wait until Disney decides to make a prequel-ish sequel where she and Palpatine had a thing but because it weakened his Sith powers he memory holed it and used some new force no jutsu to make her forget too. Bonus points if she wasn't always a slave and actually his concubine/secretary that he got pregnant and then brainwashed everyone to believing she was freedom cucked from birth in an attempt to make Palps a grey character.
Palpatine was experimenting with creating life that would be powerful in the force. He traveled to hundreds of worlds and impregnated women then mindwiped them. He knew that if the experimental child were acceptable, it would standout and grab attention eventually somehow since the Force works in mysterious ways. Which is why he was so happy when Anakin popped up, and Sheev went to meet his son to tell him he'd watch his career with great interest. Anakin had tons of brothers and sisters scattered around the galaxy who may not have been as powerful as him, but still could play a part in destiny.
>I always assumed she lied?
Nope. Virgin birth's legit. >Wasn't there some implication she got pimped out?
No. >Like uncle owen bought her in II didn't he?
Owen's father, Clieg, bought her and married her.
Didn't you watch Revenge of the Sith? Palpatine spells it out when he tells Anakin about his master using "Midichloriansto to create... Life" *stares at Anakin*
As a dumb kid I thought she was being snide. I thought Qui-gon knew her when they were both younger and she was mad at him for leaving her to be a slave.
I always thought she meant some dude got her pregnant and left her to be a single mother, so there was no father for Anakin because only his mother raised him.
The movie literally tells you that it was a virgin birth by characters other than Shmi. If it wasn't, then Anakin isn't the Chosen One which he most certainly is.
It's just unnecessary and overwrought. It's much more compelling when it seems that the whole Chosen One thing is more up to interpretation. If it's just as simple as confirming immaculate conception it removes a lot of agency from Qui-Gon's judgement in considering that Anakin could be the Chosen One and what he decides to do about that. The story is just generally more interesting when you can't just say that Anakin's existence is objectively proven to fulfill the prophecy.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Especially since the prophecy itself was incredibly dumb and didn't do anything. Certainly not anything they wanted.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>didn't do anything.
It did. Anakin destroys the Sith in Return of the Jedi, and brings balance to the Force.
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1 month ago
Anonymous
>Destroys the thousands of Jedi >join the Sith to help him do everything he wanted and reign for decades, also increasing the Sith by 1 >eventually kill him and die yourself
Ahhhh such good prophecy. Much wow
1 month ago
Anonymous
Eliminating all Force users brings balance to the Force. Jedi and Sith both exploit the Force and cause imbalance.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Eliminating all Force users
Just the Jedi and the Sith. And Luke's supposed to bring about a new order that doesn't repeat the mistakes of the old one.
1 month ago
Anonymous
That's dumb and a really shit thing to cram into star wars. It was a much better series when there could be thousands of generations of Jedi Knight using the force just fine to preserve peace and justice. Back when it penetrated everything and everyone and could be tapped into by everyone to varying degrees. Not some silly thing that gets pissed that you're using it so introduces some plot to kill you all then guides events to bring about your brutal murder and the downfall of the galaxy into chaos
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The story is just generally more interesting when you can't just say that Anakin's existence is objectively proven to fulfill the prophecy.
The prophecy was for him to bring balance to the Force, dumbass. Him being created by the Force is just part of it. Watch the movie and pay attention.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The only way Anakin is not the Chosen One is if immaculate Force conception happens regularly, that's what I mean. Qui-Gon arguing with Yoda and the rest of the council that Anakin is the chosen one holds a lot more weight and significance without the immaculate conception smoking gun.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Exactly. The Sith are a cancer on the Force.The Force created Anakin to remove said cancer. That he would give in to the Dark Side and end up all but destroying the Jedi in the process was the part not foreseen by anyone. Anakin's 25 year's worth of suffering was entirely because he tried to deny his destiny of killing off Palpy and ending the Sith once and for all.
For all of the Jedi's arrogance and how institutionalized they've become, they weren't a perversion of the Force like the Sith were. But once Anakin chucked Palpy down an elevator shaft he finally fulfilled his destiny and the Force was finally back in balance.
>*forcefully inseminates you* >*waves hand at you* >I did not forcefully inseminate you >You did not forcefully inseminate me >you want to get me a space beer and call me a space taxi >How about a beer and then I'll call you a cab?
The very strong implication is that Sheev or Plagueis created Anakin, isn't it? That's the undertone of the "Ironic" speech, when Palps talks about using the force to create life.
it's not an implication, it's an outright confession. as palpatine says "he could influence the midichlorians to create life" he looks directly at anakin, this is a full confirmation.
>Dude its a fantasy/sci-fi story! >This means anything ever in the story is acceptable and youre being a stupid butthole for questioning it
I hate morons like this so much. Fantasy/Scifi settings are not excuse to just add in any bullshit.
Its never estabilshed why or how this could happen and there is ZERO payoff other than it being a cheap way to reinforce the idea that Anakin is "the chosen one" >DUDE ITS LIKE JESUS, GET IT?!?
>Its never estabilshed why or how this could happen
Because it only happened once, and it wasn't public knowledge. Sidious made sure to destroy any Jedi anything after the purge. Only one who knew were Sidious, Vader, Yoda and Obi-Wan. The latter two assuming that the prophecy was bullshit after Episode III, which is why they wanted Luke to kill Vader.
Was there any mention about Vader being some kind of chosen one prior to the prequels coming out, or was it something George pulled out of his ass later?
Brosister... Vader wasn't even planned to be Luke's father in the original Star Wars movie. You really gotta ask if ol Georgie had the chosen one prophecy of Anakin Skywalker (who was most definitely not Darth Vader in 1977) all planned out back then?
Ok I was gonna post the scene where Obi-Wan tells luke about his father and explains how a young jedi named Darth Vader killed him but i literally cant even find an unedited clip of it on israelitetube lol. My point was gonna be how that scene literally cannot be reconciled with anything that came after, even Empire Strikes Back but I guess it can be edited out and drowned out with flashback clips by prequel zoomers.
I just don't believe that's what George intended when he wrote the original script for Star Wars.
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Anonymous
it might not have been. Stuff gets changed along the way, between drafts of scripts, between the editing process, between quick rewrites on set. Ben wasn't supposed to die at all until Alec Guinness pointed out he has nothing to do in the third Act and Lucas had to rewrite it so he tells Luke to use the force and let it guide the torpedoes. does that count as an asspull?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>does that count as an asspull?
idk + dont care lol. There was no overarching plan/vision for Star Wars beyond what I already said itt (israeli revenge fantasy).
1 month ago
Anonymous
I agree there wasn't and a lot of it was made up on the fly. So what?
1 month ago
Anonymous
idk were you even the anon i was replying to in the first place. If so I've been agreeing with you, asperchu.
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Alec Guinness absolutely kills it in this scene with his acting so it can be overlooked easily but there's other scenes about vader that make no sense in the context of the prequels.
Even the Sith weren't a thing in the OT so that prophecy was 100% pulled out of George Lucas's anal cavity.
Every last word and scene in Star Wars was pulled out of Lucas' ass, from the opening crawl of Star Wars to the last scene in Revenge of the Sith. So why do the ones you like get a pass but the ones you don't get hammered on?
imagine Watto's face when his female slave comes to him one day and says, "um, I'm pregnant. Nope, don't know how it happened! I swear I didn't screw anyone!" A likely story, Shmi, yeah right.
The vast majority of criticisms against the prequels are midwitted millennials like RLM just going "it's bad because.. it just is ok?!?" over and over.
The same kind of undesirables that prefer The Martian over Interstellar, and that do bot appreciate Michael Bay. Among other things.
The dumb Jesus analogy is hackneyed and not supported by anything in the universe. You can tell because they dropped this shit like it was George leaving a stinky turd in his already stupid prequels. It adds nothing, it has no consequences for anything, by the time he made this asspull he’d already made the trilogy people loved where Luke’s heroism didn’t need any fricking Jesus analogy or predestination talk about prophecies Georgie couldn’t keep straight for three movies. Remember that? Remember him making up prophecies that didn’t even make sense so he had to retcon them despite knowing what they were supposed to be the entire time?
Yeah that’s fricking dumb. Or just not giving a shit in the first place.
Vader was always supposed to be Jesus. Star Wars is a israeli revenge fantasy.
palpatine is the hebrew though, it's why rey wins
Palpatine is supposed to be the heavenly father/demiurge and Rey is the Gnostic Sophia with Kylo Ren being the second coming of Christ (Vader).
yeah no that's not the case at all, palpatine is the devil/hitler/insert common enemy archetype and rey being a woman makes her eve, and remember what happened when eve ate the forbidden fruit of knowledge
Nah you got it all backward. Luke is Satan and Palpatine is God the father. It's called an inverted hermeneutic. It's judeo-masonic shit where Satan is the good guy and God is an evil oppressive tyrant and Jesus is his mindless slave.
>Luke is Satan
wrong, anakin is lucifer the fallen angel, that painting meme that people like to post
but beyond that palpatine has always been the manipulating snake in the garden of eden, only a fool would suggest otherwise
You're out of your depth here. Vader is supposed to be Jesus (immaculate conception, chosen one) and the lucifer imagery is very deliberate. Christ is supposed to be the bad guy in this story. It's based on the book of Enoch which is where the story of fallen angels come from. In the OT, Luke is Samyaza and Han Solo is Azazel who are the two leaders of the fallen angels who rebelled against God.
you're wrong again. vader starts as jesus and then inverts into lucifer. also the book of enoch isn't canon.
>vader starts as jesus and then inverts into lucifer.
That makes no sense at all.
>also the book of enoch isn't canon.
It's what israelites and Freemasons believe and is the basis of a surprising amount of Hollywood movies, including Star Wars and Star Trek. You're acting moronic.ka
>That makes no sense at all.
Because you're fricking autistic. Anakin's a composite of Jesus and Lucifer from Paradise Lost.
>Anakin's a composite of Jesus and Lucifer from Paradise Lost
Whatever. Freemasons believe lucifer is a title anyways and that Christ was a lucifer. He's not supposed to be a fallen angel though, that's what Luke and Han are. Star Wars (the OT, at least) is a loose retelling of The Man Who Would Be King with space wizards. The prequels are moreso based on actual history with the birth of Christ and the later destruction of Judea (Order 66 = 66 A.D, the start of the israeli-Roman wars). Anakin is Jesus and the Empire are the Romans who destroy the yehudi temple and force them into exile.
You hate it because you're a seething atheist, just like all the other loser nerds who had an issue with it.
Why would Christians lbe happy seeing elements of their faith ripped off wholesale by a hack to be put into a corporate cashgrab?
>corporate cashgrab
The prequels are indie movies, just as Empire and return were. Lucas owned all the rights.
Matrix did the same shit. In fact, a frick ton of popular fiction have taken inspiration from the New Testament. Lucas was NOT the first one to do it.
the bible didn't invent messiahs, savior figures, etc.
he was talking about the matrix dumb frick. trinity, zion, etc
Christianity didn't invent the virgin birth myth. Women have been prostitutes and liars since time itself begun.
No it’s usually just redditors seething seeing religion mentioned anywhere. I don’t see anyone else doing it.
I always assumed she lied?
Wasn't there some implication she got pimped out?
Like uncle owen bought her in II didn't he?
It was implied Sheev knew secret dark techniques to conceive children that would be powerful in the force and that he came to the planet and impregnated her.
sheev has that good dick fr fr
Just wait until Disney decides to make a prequel-ish sequel where she and Palpatine had a thing but because it weakened his Sith powers he memory holed it and used some new force no jutsu to make her forget too. Bonus points if she wasn't always a slave and actually his concubine/secretary that he got pregnant and then brainwashed everyone to believing she was freedom cucked from birth in an attempt to make Palps a grey character.
Palpatine was experimenting with creating life that would be powerful in the force. He traveled to hundreds of worlds and impregnated women then mindwiped them. He knew that if the experimental child were acceptable, it would standout and grab attention eventually somehow since the Force works in mysterious ways. Which is why he was so happy when Anakin popped up, and Sheev went to meet his son to tell him he'd watch his career with great interest. Anakin had tons of brothers and sisters scattered around the galaxy who may not have been as powerful as him, but still could play a part in destiny.
I don't hate it
>I always assumed she lied?
Nope. Virgin birth's legit.
>Wasn't there some implication she got pimped out?
No.
>Like uncle owen bought her in II didn't he?
Owen's father, Clieg, bought her and married her.
The scene makes it look that way but maybe she legitimately had him without having sex idk
Didn't you watch Revenge of the Sith? Palpatine spells it out when he tells Anakin about his master using "Midichloriansto to create... Life" *stares at Anakin*
As a dumb kid I thought she was being snide. I thought Qui-gon knew her when they were both younger and she was mad at him for leaving her to be a slave.
I always thought she meant some dude got her pregnant and left her to be a single mother, so there was no father for Anakin because only his mother raised him.
The movie literally tells you that it was a virgin birth by characters other than Shmi. If it wasn't, then Anakin isn't the Chosen One which he most certainly is.
I thought he was the Chosen One because he was stronger in the Force than any kid his age.
No, he's the Chosen One because he's literally Force Jesus. Prophecy states a being created by the Force itself.
Well, that's dumb and I wish I didn't know that.
How is it dumb?
It's just unnecessary and overwrought. It's much more compelling when it seems that the whole Chosen One thing is more up to interpretation. If it's just as simple as confirming immaculate conception it removes a lot of agency from Qui-Gon's judgement in considering that Anakin could be the Chosen One and what he decides to do about that. The story is just generally more interesting when you can't just say that Anakin's existence is objectively proven to fulfill the prophecy.
Especially since the prophecy itself was incredibly dumb and didn't do anything. Certainly not anything they wanted.
>didn't do anything.
It did. Anakin destroys the Sith in Return of the Jedi, and brings balance to the Force.
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>Destroys the thousands of Jedi
>join the Sith to help him do everything he wanted and reign for decades, also increasing the Sith by 1
>eventually kill him and die yourself
Ahhhh such good prophecy. Much wow
Eliminating all Force users brings balance to the Force. Jedi and Sith both exploit the Force and cause imbalance.
>Eliminating all Force users
Just the Jedi and the Sith. And Luke's supposed to bring about a new order that doesn't repeat the mistakes of the old one.
That's dumb and a really shit thing to cram into star wars. It was a much better series when there could be thousands of generations of Jedi Knight using the force just fine to preserve peace and justice. Back when it penetrated everything and everyone and could be tapped into by everyone to varying degrees. Not some silly thing that gets pissed that you're using it so introduces some plot to kill you all then guides events to bring about your brutal murder and the downfall of the galaxy into chaos
>The story is just generally more interesting when you can't just say that Anakin's existence is objectively proven to fulfill the prophecy.
The prophecy was for him to bring balance to the Force, dumbass. Him being created by the Force is just part of it. Watch the movie and pay attention.
The only way Anakin is not the Chosen One is if immaculate Force conception happens regularly, that's what I mean. Qui-Gon arguing with Yoda and the rest of the council that Anakin is the chosen one holds a lot more weight and significance without the immaculate conception smoking gun.
Exactly. The Sith are a cancer on the Force.The Force created Anakin to remove said cancer. That he would give in to the Dark Side and end up all but destroying the Jedi in the process was the part not foreseen by anyone. Anakin's 25 year's worth of suffering was entirely because he tried to deny his destiny of killing off Palpy and ending the Sith once and for all.
For all of the Jedi's arrogance and how institutionalized they've become, they weren't a perversion of the Force like the Sith were. But once Anakin chucked Palpy down an elevator shaft he finally fulfilled his destiny and the Force was finally back in balance.
>*forcefully inseminates you*
>*waves hand at you*
>I did not forcefully inseminate you
>You did not forcefully inseminate me
>you want to get me a space beer and call me a space taxi
>How about a beer and then I'll call you a cab?
Qui-Gon smashed?
he never stopped
>There was no father.
anon, she didn't mean she was a virgin, just that the father was black and absent.
The very strong implication is that Sheev or Plagueis created Anakin, isn't it? That's the undertone of the "Ironic" speech, when Palps talks about using the force to create life.
it's not an implication, it's an outright confession. as palpatine says "he could influence the midichlorians to create life" he looks directly at anakin, this is a full confirmation.
It was Watto, she was just too embarrassed to admit it
Watto Skywalker
the prequels are kino and only homosexual redditors disagree
Star Wars is a fairy tale or Greek mythology in space. It's okay to have divine parentage or magic in those kinds of stories.
The prequels don't exist
Star Wars media ended in 1996
The prequels do exist and Star Wars ended in 2005, actually.
>Dude its a fantasy/sci-fi story!
>This means anything ever in the story is acceptable and youre being a stupid butthole for questioning it
I hate morons like this so much. Fantasy/Scifi settings are not excuse to just add in any bullshit.
How is virgin birth out of place in a Fantasy story?
Its never estabilshed why or how this could happen and there is ZERO payoff other than it being a cheap way to reinforce the idea that Anakin is "the chosen one"
>DUDE ITS LIKE JESUS, GET IT?!?
>Its never estabilshed why or how this could happen
Because it only happened once, and it wasn't public knowledge. Sidious made sure to destroy any Jedi anything after the purge. Only one who knew were Sidious, Vader, Yoda and Obi-Wan. The latter two assuming that the prophecy was bullshit after Episode III, which is why they wanted Luke to kill Vader.
Star Wars is Space Fantasy, not sci-fi.
Was there any mention about Vader being some kind of chosen one prior to the prequels coming out, or was it something George pulled out of his ass later?
Total ass-pull.
No more of an ass pull than Yoda's very existence or Luke having a sister.
Brosister... Vader wasn't even planned to be Luke's father in the original Star Wars movie. You really gotta ask if ol Georgie had the chosen one prophecy of Anakin Skywalker (who was most definitely not Darth Vader in 1977) all planned out back then?
Fair. I haven't seen any of the original movies, or as "original" as whatever version I saw as a kid, in probably 15 years.
Ok I was gonna post the scene where Obi-Wan tells luke about his father and explains how a young jedi named Darth Vader killed him but i literally cant even find an unedited clip of it on israelitetube lol. My point was gonna be how that scene literally cannot be reconciled with anything that came after, even Empire Strikes Back but I guess it can be edited out and drowned out with flashback clips by prequel zoomers.
Well, it can be reconciled by Obi-Wan explaining that he lied to Luke because Anakin went batshit crazy and he didn't want Luke to do the same.
Kind of like how Obi-Wan did just that when called out on it by Luke in both Empire and Jedi.
I just don't believe that's what George intended when he wrote the original script for Star Wars.
it might not have been. Stuff gets changed along the way, between drafts of scripts, between the editing process, between quick rewrites on set. Ben wasn't supposed to die at all until Alec Guinness pointed out he has nothing to do in the third Act and Lucas had to rewrite it so he tells Luke to use the force and let it guide the torpedoes. does that count as an asspull?
>does that count as an asspull?
idk + dont care lol. There was no overarching plan/vision for Star Wars beyond what I already said itt (israeli revenge fantasy).
I agree there wasn't and a lot of it was made up on the fly. So what?
idk were you even the anon i was replying to in the first place. If so I've been agreeing with you, asperchu.
nvm im druk n moronic but i found it
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Alec Guinness absolutely kills it in this scene with his acting so it can be overlooked easily but there's other scenes about vader that make no sense in the context of the prequels.
Even the Sith weren't a thing in the OT so that prophecy was 100% pulled out of George Lucas's anal cavity.
Every last word and scene in Star Wars was pulled out of Lucas' ass, from the opening crawl of Star Wars to the last scene in Revenge of the Sith. So why do the ones you like get a pass but the ones you don't get hammered on?
>So why do the ones you like get a pass but the ones you don't get hammered on?
None of it gets a pass. Wtf are you even saying Black person?
>Even the Sith weren't a thing in the OT
They were.
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>tfw you realize your birth was a virgin birth
Just make sure you don't have a virgin death.
imagine Watto's face when his female slave comes to him one day and says, "um, I'm pregnant. Nope, don't know how it happened! I swear I didn't screw anyone!" A likely story, Shmi, yeah right.
He was probably happy that he was going to get a slave child for free
The vast majority of criticisms against the prequels are midwitted millennials like RLM just going "it's bad because.. it just is ok?!?" over and over.
The same kind of undesirables that prefer The Martian over Interstellar, and that do bot appreciate Michael Bay. Among other things.
A clone, he was.