Walter only started killing people when he started his meth business. Tony has been doing this shit since he joined the mob. The show only showed Tony's major kills in the show. His body count is probably higher than Walter's. Also Tony murders just cause, while Walter kills because it will hurt his business.
Walter lets the daughter die, which causes the father to become depressed which causes his lack of attention at his job which cases wayfarer 515 to crash killing 167 people. its a direct connection.
>le walter killed a plane because... he was loosely connected to the daughter of the man who crashed it???
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Holy frick is that really a plot in BB?
How can you homosexuals defend it as being better than Sopranos with a straight face? Lmao this sounds like a capeshit arc. WW is the joker or what kek?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>didn't watch but chimes in anyway
Also the plane shit was the only thing in BB I was kind of meh on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was fine, not the most subtle way to convey that Walt's actions have ripple effects but then again it was never subtle to begin with, hard to believe some people still don't understand basic characterization stuff from the show (Walt being prideful, Skylar being an immasculating ball-breaker that served as the catalyst for Walt rubberbanding to sigma Heisenberg, etc)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Go suck a wiener fruity.
I watched up until end of season 1 or almost and hated that every episode ended in a cliffhanger with high stakes then next one resolved it in 2 min then went into another development altogether only to hype up a new cliffhanger towards the end.
It's too formulaic and the mark of a bad series. It's too cartoonishly american and fake.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Better call saul would be more your speed
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not american
opinion discarded
It was fine, not the most subtle way to convey that Walt's actions have ripple effects but then again it was never subtle to begin with, hard to believe some people still don't understand basic characterization stuff from the show (Walt being prideful, Skylar being an immasculating ball-breaker that served as the catalyst for Walt rubberbanding to sigma Heisenberg, etc)
>Skylar being an immasculating ball-breaker
Was she really that bad though? At worst she was just kind of a tight ass IMO. Most of her b***hiness comes from the fact that Walt is a genuine douchebag.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You say that based on knowing how he is after the fact but prior we're not meant to assume he was a douchebag at all, I wouldn't say Skylar is bad as a person in that she's inherently rotten to the core or anything but she is a representation of that suburban family unit repression that Heinsenberg ends up biting back way harder that he needs to against, watch season 1 in isolation and you'll realize she was written/conceived this way and only became sympathetic (as is natural when characters grow and flourish into things you didn't expect them to be) later on
2 years ago
Anonymous
I do see what you mean as far as season 1. I just started a rewatch and she is more... annoying in the opening eps than she is later IMO. Especially the Turkey Bacon scene.
However, Vince recently said that he wished Anna Gunn had been embraced like Kim's actress is, instead of the fans turning on the Skylar character, so I think at the end of the day she's supposed to be a good person. Or maybe he was just talking about the actress. Idk.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even Vince was smart enough back then to know (and this is a testament to good writing) that he couldn't just discard Skylar's early characterization and act like it never happened, so everything that followed however sympathetic and nuanced it got had to seem in line. This combined with certain inflections in Anna Gunn's performance (intentional or not, I don't know, but she certainly never even attempted to go for a sex appeal angle - and all the better for it, imo) pretty much guaranteed she wouldn't be a fan favourite. I can't stress enough how all this is fine but that's a weird take from Vince, strikes me as a bit disingenuous how he'd act so confused as to why a character like Kim is generally more welcomed
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah who knows. At any rate, going back to BB after BCS is pretty trippy. BB now feels like a sequel rather than the main event almost.
2 years ago
Anonymous
tbf it's more of like a shitty climax ending to one of the season finale. Walter receives no repercussions for this and it's really never brought up again. It's easily one of the most moronic things in the show full of moronic things.
If you really want to laugh about it being capeshit, then watch this
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2 years ago
Anonymous
What's capeshit about this apart from the meme shot of him taking 10 seconds longer than is realistic to die
It's a fine end to his character, ties up loose threads and pays off seasons worth of consistent writing
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Old man literally gets exploded off his chair and isn't even seen in the room >Guys, despite facing him head on, randomly gets half of his face blown off and seemingly doesn't get blown away then walks it off for an additional 30 seconds despite literally half of his face missing
it's cartoony as frick and you can't argue against it not being cartoony
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's as cartoony as the show usually is. BB is like a comic book. I don't mean that as criticism.
I think you're underselling Walt's body count >Walt is American >Muslim extremists hate Americans >Therefore Walt is responsible for the deaths of the people who died on 9/11 >Walt is of European descent >Hitler was also of European descent >Therefore, Walt caused the Holocaust AND World War 2 >Walt is a drug dealer >People die from drug overdoses >Therefore Walt is responsible for over 1.1 million deaths from drug overdoses in the United States >Walter White purchased a pizza one time >The mafia has also brought pizza sometimes >Therefore, Walt is personally responsible for every single crime committed by the Mafia >Walt is literally White >Some white people owned slaves >Therefore, he is connected to the Atlantic slave trade and responsible for ~17 million deaths
Truly the most evil character in the history of television
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tony is also american and white.
I know you thought you sounded smart in your head but you sound like a sperg.
>Decide to drive the speed limit in a two-lane road (one lane each direction) >guy behind you is honking and obviously wants you to go faster >you keep going the speed limit anyway >guy gets annoyed and tries to go around you >goes into the other lane into oncoming traffic and kills himself and the occupants of another car
According to you, this makes you responsible for all of those deaths
>Also Tony murders just cause, while Walter kills because it will hurt his business.
Absolutely incorrect. Name one kill walter did that wasn't to protect his own life
You can't
Walter literally did nothing wrong
Walter lets the daughter die, which causes the father to become depressed which causes his lack of attention at his job which cases wayfarer 515 to crash killing 167 people. its a direct connection.
Jessie got her hooked on drugs and gave her the drugs that night. You could argue jessie killed her and the plane, saying walter did because he happened to walk in at a certain time and didn't react fast enough to save someone who threatened him is more than a stretch. Besides she was a degenerate druggy her death was inevitable.
Walter only killed to protect his own life, except for the degenerate nazi thieves I suppose but that protected his wife and kids and who is crying over them anyway?
>You could argue jessie killed her and the plane, saying walter did because he happened to walk in at a certain time and didn't react fast enough to save someone
No, Walter was shaking Jesse to wake him up, which caused Jane to rollover. If Walt hadn't have done that, Jane would have just thrown up all over Jesse. Walt directly caused her death, and then when given the chance to stop it, he did nothing because it was more convenient for him to have her dead. He stopped feeling bad about it, really quickly.
That must be the reason people simp for Walt. He did it all for money.
>He stopped feeling bad about it, really quickly.
Did he? Isn't he still feeling guilty about it in Fly? It's only by season 5 that Walt becomes totally desensitized.
>didn't react fast enough to save someone
He had ample time to simply turn her to her side, you can see it in his body language the whole time that he was calculating the pros and cons of letting her die because he was trying to get Jesse away from her already and that just happened to be a convenient happening for him
They wouldn't meet becase Tony is a nobody to Walter. Walter destroyed the Cartel, killed Gus and Mike and destroyed their billion dollar operation and became the biggiest meth dealer in North America. What did Tony do? His crew got fricked up by NY in the end.
They're both sociopaths, but Tony is much more cynical than Walt. Tony actually snitched on a guy to cops. Also Walt has at least some sort of an uphill battle, whereas Tony is a ruler.
Walter White is what happens when you give a little bit of power to the oppressed. Tony Soprano is the chill leader who inherit his power and can be evil sometimes but it's cool in general.
Jersey is shit on constantly and even the real families were in massive decline. In the modern world meth is much more popular than organised crime because every corporation is essentially a crime family.
We're not talking about whose more successful, in that regard Walter is the winner. We're talking about whose the bigger butthole and that would be Tony.
>We're talking about whose the bigger butthole and that would be Tony.
Walt was given a free pass to solve all his money problems, but he refused it.
So he could keep making meth and murdering people and poisoning kids.
Tony was too busy crying about 9/11 to ever cross into that.
Walter and Tony had autistic rants over pointless shit. They were mostly mad when some stupid plan didn't work, which made them focus their anger on mundane things.
> >Jersey is shit on constantly and even the real families were in massive decline. In the modern world meth is much more popular than organised crime because every corporation is essentially a crime family.
I'm Suprised nobody has made soft disclosure kino about this.
Dopesick and succession are the closest we've got
Except tony isn't deep either. Chase is a hack too. "oh wow this sociopath actually has a soft spot for animals and his daugther" come on now. Walter wasn't "meant" to be deep. Yet you have morons like yourself still thinking Tony is a deep character 20+ years later.
Walter White is what happens when you give a little bit of power to the oppressed. Tony Soprano is the chill leader who inherit his power and can be evil sometimes but it's cool in general.
Breaking Bad is pure fantasy, Sopranos is actually realistic. WW is evil like a super villain is evil. Sopranos is actually a product of child abuse and organized crime, he's an actual bad person.
>guy walks down a huge wide road, straight down the middle >literally no place to hide in order to sneak up on him, it's impossible not to see somebody approaching you no matter what >500lbs blob slides right behind him like a ninja and shoots him in the head, then takes 3 full minutes to slowly get into the getaway car >his concern is the chess
Who is the racist?
Walter devolves into a sociopath, but he realizes how far gone he is. Meanwhile Tony has been an awful person for most of his life and rarely reflects on that
He reflects on it but it hardly influences what he does, in the end he's just the same old sociopath who only got worse than what we saw at the beginning.
I still can't decide whether I think she/that study was right or not. If she got more aggressive with Tony I think their might have been a chance to change him. If she brought up the study with him, maybe.
She got high as balls on dangerous drugs and the slightest movement made her roll over.
She was threatening Walt so she could enable her and Jessie's drug habit. She got what she deserved and Walt shouldn't feel guilty that a drug addict choked on her own vomit.
It's like if I got drunk and played real life frogger every morning on a highway, and you blame the car that finally hits me
>You could argue jessie killed her and the plane, saying walter did because he happened to walk in at a certain time and didn't react fast enough to save someone
No, Walter was shaking Jesse to wake him up, which caused Jane to rollover. If Walt hadn't have done that, Jane would have just thrown up all over Jesse. Walt directly caused her death, and then when given the chance to stop it, he did nothing because it was more convenient for him to have her dead. He stopped feeling bad about it, really quickly.
That must be the reason people simp for Walt. He did it all for money.
The point of no return for me was sending Vito Jr to that hellhole camp in Idaho after using $200 grand meant for his mom to feed his gambling addiction
Exactly. When I killed those people it was a morally correct action. Just because they didn't enjoy being chained up in my basement doesn't make it evil. I enjoyed it. And why does my enjoyment matter less than the """victim's"""?
Walter might be more objectively evil, with how he's gotten many innocent people killed and didn't stop when he had the chance but I think you can make the argument that Tony is an overall worse person.
Walter broke bad because he lived a life having to look up to other people and do what they say and there are many, many points where Walter shows empathy or remorse for his actions. Even in the end he saved Jessie as moronic of a scheme it was. Majority of the deaths he caused were indirect, even if ultimately he did cause more deaths.
Tony on the other hand was born into his life and as such lacks a lot of empathy for the things he's done, the people close to him he kills does haunt him at points but you'd never see him shed a tear for killing his cousin who was like a brother to him growing up. At no point does he ever consider the life he works in to be bad. He's a legitimate pyschopath.
>Tony on the other hand was born into his life and as such lacks a lot of empathy for the things he's done, the people close to him he kills does haunt him at points but you'd never see him shed a tear for killing his cousin who was like a brother to him growing up. At no point does he ever consider the life he works in to be bad. He's a legitimate pyschopath.
Tony is a soldier. It's explained over and over that this the mobster coping mechanism. They all know the stakes of the thing they set their foot in and all accepted those stakes. They're willing participants.
He killed his cousin to avoid him a much more painful death under torture. Said cousin killed a mobster so he knew this could be backfiring. If we go deeper, it's not even by choice, theae people are born into it and have no way out. It's made clear when that one guy wins the lottery and both the cops and the mobsters wouldn't let him escape the life.
Tony didn't kill any non mobster or mobster related person. He did what he had to do just like any of the other mobsters would. He also didn't chose this life and knew it wasn't a good moral life. That's why he kept his son, whom he loved, out ot it. That's also why he tried his hardest to keep Jacky Junior out of those circles.
Walter was a sperg that went into the crime life willingly and felt nothing but disdain about his own son.
He's an overall worse person.
>felt nothing but disdain about his own son.
What? Did you not see the show and think Jessie is his son?
He loved his son and wanted to give him and his family millions of dollars
I'd say Waltuh became a way more dangerous person than Tony but Tony was a true sociopath his entire life and Waltuh lost his shit when he was 50. So yeah, Tony Soprano is more evil but Walter White is more dangerous.
It’s like comparing Hitler to Voldemort who’s more evil. Tony is a realistic believable portrayal of a mob boss while Walter is a fantastical character.
Breaking Bad is a fun ride but what’s happening in it is so detached from realism that all of Walter evil feels too abstract to compare with Tony’s acts
Walter white was an impossible character, the show was insanely unrealistic
Sopranos is realistic view of a sociopathic boss slowly ruining their family from greed and selfishness
Tony was evil as frick. Walter did almost nothing wrong. People who think Walter are evil are fricking brainlets. Noooooo MUH BROCK. HE POISONED SOME UGLY FAT LITTLE MEXICAN KID AND HE WAS FINE, NOOOOOOOO THAT'S SO HECKIN EVIL HE CAN'T DO THAT NOOOOOO PEOPLE CAN'T BUY METH IT'S HARMFUL NOOOOOOOO PEOPLE AREN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN CHOICES NOOOOOOOOOO
Gus was evil, the cartel was evil, etc. Walter wasn't evil.
The mafia wasn't so bad unless you owed them money or were a member and broke one of their serious rules.
Some families had rules against using and selling drugs.
Walter ruined more lives with his meth empire than tony ever did
Walter had more people killed than Tony
Walter only started killing people when he started his meth business. Tony has been doing this shit since he joined the mob. The show only showed Tony's major kills in the show. His body count is probably higher than Walter's. Also Tony murders just cause, while Walter kills because it will hurt his business.
tony killed 200+ people?
>le walter killed a plane because... he was loosely connected to the daughter of the man who crashed it???
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Walter lets the daughter die, which causes the father to become depressed which causes his lack of attention at his job which cases wayfarer 515 to crash killing 167 people. its a direct connection.
that's not 200 counts of murder dumbshit, you can barely make the case that he murdered Jane to begin with
That's the pilots and dad's problem Walter didn't plan that kill.
it was a false flag
You have a very strange definition of "direct".
Holy frick is that really a plot in BB?
How can you homosexuals defend it as being better than Sopranos with a straight face? Lmao this sounds like a capeshit arc. WW is the joker or what kek?
>didn't watch but chimes in anyway
Also the plane shit was the only thing in BB I was kind of meh on.
It was fine, not the most subtle way to convey that Walt's actions have ripple effects but then again it was never subtle to begin with, hard to believe some people still don't understand basic characterization stuff from the show (Walt being prideful, Skylar being an immasculating ball-breaker that served as the catalyst for Walt rubberbanding to sigma Heisenberg, etc)
Go suck a wiener fruity.
I watched up until end of season 1 or almost and hated that every episode ended in a cliffhanger with high stakes then next one resolved it in 2 min then went into another development altogether only to hype up a new cliffhanger towards the end.
It's too formulaic and the mark of a bad series. It's too cartoonishly american and fake.
Better call saul would be more your speed
>not american
opinion discarded
>Skylar being an immasculating ball-breaker
Was she really that bad though? At worst she was just kind of a tight ass IMO. Most of her b***hiness comes from the fact that Walt is a genuine douchebag.
You say that based on knowing how he is after the fact but prior we're not meant to assume he was a douchebag at all, I wouldn't say Skylar is bad as a person in that she's inherently rotten to the core or anything but she is a representation of that suburban family unit repression that Heinsenberg ends up biting back way harder that he needs to against, watch season 1 in isolation and you'll realize she was written/conceived this way and only became sympathetic (as is natural when characters grow and flourish into things you didn't expect them to be) later on
I do see what you mean as far as season 1. I just started a rewatch and she is more... annoying in the opening eps than she is later IMO. Especially the Turkey Bacon scene.
However, Vince recently said that he wished Anna Gunn had been embraced like Kim's actress is, instead of the fans turning on the Skylar character, so I think at the end of the day she's supposed to be a good person. Or maybe he was just talking about the actress. Idk.
Even Vince was smart enough back then to know (and this is a testament to good writing) that he couldn't just discard Skylar's early characterization and act like it never happened, so everything that followed however sympathetic and nuanced it got had to seem in line. This combined with certain inflections in Anna Gunn's performance (intentional or not, I don't know, but she certainly never even attempted to go for a sex appeal angle - and all the better for it, imo) pretty much guaranteed she wouldn't be a fan favourite. I can't stress enough how all this is fine but that's a weird take from Vince, strikes me as a bit disingenuous how he'd act so confused as to why a character like Kim is generally more welcomed
Yeah who knows. At any rate, going back to BB after BCS is pretty trippy. BB now feels like a sequel rather than the main event almost.
tbf it's more of like a shitty climax ending to one of the season finale. Walter receives no repercussions for this and it's really never brought up again. It's easily one of the most moronic things in the show full of moronic things.
If you really want to laugh about it being capeshit, then watch this
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What's capeshit about this apart from the meme shot of him taking 10 seconds longer than is realistic to die
It's a fine end to his character, ties up loose threads and pays off seasons worth of consistent writing
>Old man literally gets exploded off his chair and isn't even seen in the room
>Guys, despite facing him head on, randomly gets half of his face blown off and seemingly doesn't get blown away then walks it off for an additional 30 seconds despite literally half of his face missing
it's cartoony as frick and you can't argue against it not being cartoony
It's as cartoony as the show usually is. BB is like a comic book. I don't mean that as criticism.
I think you're underselling Walt's body count
>Walt is American
>Muslim extremists hate Americans
>Therefore Walt is responsible for the deaths of the people who died on 9/11
>Walt is of European descent
>Hitler was also of European descent
>Therefore, Walt caused the Holocaust AND World War 2
>Walt is a drug dealer
>People die from drug overdoses
>Therefore Walt is responsible for over 1.1 million deaths from drug overdoses in the United States
>Walter White purchased a pizza one time
>The mafia has also brought pizza sometimes
>Therefore, Walt is personally responsible for every single crime committed by the Mafia
>Walt is literally White
>Some white people owned slaves
>Therefore, he is connected to the Atlantic slave trade and responsible for ~17 million deaths
Truly the most evil character in the history of television
Tony is also american and white.
I know you thought you sounded smart in your head but you sound like a sperg.
>Decide to drive the speed limit in a two-lane road (one lane each direction)
>guy behind you is honking and obviously wants you to go faster
>you keep going the speed limit anyway
>guy gets annoyed and tries to go around you
>goes into the other lane into oncoming traffic and kills himself and the occupants of another car
According to you, this makes you responsible for all of those deaths
>Also Tony murders just cause, while Walter kills because it will hurt his business.
Absolutely incorrect. Name one kill walter did that wasn't to protect his own life
You can't
Walter literally did nothing wrong
Jessie got her hooked on drugs and gave her the drugs that night. You could argue jessie killed her and the plane, saying walter did because he happened to walk in at a certain time and didn't react fast enough to save someone who threatened him is more than a stretch. Besides she was a degenerate druggy her death was inevitable.
>to protect his own life
Yea without Walter his meth empire is over. So yes he needs to protect his own life.
Walter only killed to protect his own life, except for the degenerate nazi thieves I suppose but that protected his wife and kids and who is crying over them anyway?
>You could argue jessie killed her and the plane, saying walter did because he happened to walk in at a certain time and didn't react fast enough to save someone
No, Walter was shaking Jesse to wake him up, which caused Jane to rollover. If Walt hadn't have done that, Jane would have just thrown up all over Jesse. Walt directly caused her death, and then when given the chance to stop it, he did nothing because it was more convenient for him to have her dead. He stopped feeling bad about it, really quickly.
That must be the reason people simp for Walt. He did it all for money.
>He stopped feeling bad about it, really quickly.
Did he? Isn't he still feeling guilty about it in Fly? It's only by season 5 that Walt becomes totally desensitized.
>didn't react fast enough to save someone
He had ample time to simply turn her to her side, you can see it in his body language the whole time that he was calculating the pros and cons of letting her die because he was trying to get Jesse away from her already and that just happened to be a convenient happening for him
He also killed a child
How would a breaking bad crossover with Sopranos work? What would Tony and Walter think of each other?
They wouldn't meet becase Tony is a nobody to Walter. Walter destroyed the Cartel, killed Gus and Mike and destroyed their billion dollar operation and became the biggiest meth dealer in North America. What did Tony do? His crew got fricked up by NY in the end.
Walter would say Hi and Tony would immediately start ass raping him.
>ay tone, got dis prick on da phone, says his name's Hindenberg and he wants to cook met for ya or somethin
Better Call Saul/Sopranos would work better for timeline sake.
Because Heisenberg was white
No, americans aren't white, onyl europeans
You aren't white Muhammad as much as you wish you were
I'm sorry do the citizens of the israeli Black persontroony heartland judge the whiteness of other countries these days? Hilarious.
You are not even human, nevermind white.
It’s not a debate
Me having sex with your mom is also not a debate.
Who tf thinks that Walter is less evil than Tony Soprano
Tony is kinda unclear though. A lot of stuff he did ambiguous, ie when he told Chrissy to kill that cop. For what we know he might be just a guy.
he was just a guy. in the sopranos movie you find out it was junior who had his dad killed, but maybe tony didn't know that
TMSoN is not Cannon
Massively underrated post. Wishing you long life and a big dick my friend.
meant for
>written by: David Chase
Cope. Maybe this will help you realize that Sopranos has always been shit.
you're burning me with that hot take
Junior ordered it. The cop still coulda done the hit.
Not canon
They're both sociopaths, but Tony is much more cynical than Walt. Tony actually snitched on a guy to cops. Also Walt has at least some sort of an uphill battle, whereas Tony is a ruler.
Jersey is shit on constantly and even the real families were in massive decline. In the modern world meth is much more popular than organised crime because every corporation is essentially a crime family.
We're not talking about whose more successful, in that regard Walter is the winner. We're talking about whose the bigger butthole and that would be Tony.
>We're talking about whose the bigger butthole and that would be Tony.
Walt was given a free pass to solve all his money problems, but he refused it.
So he could keep making meth and murdering people and poisoning kids.
Tony was too busy crying about 9/11 to ever cross into that.
Walter and Tony had autistic rants over pointless shit. They were mostly mad when some stupid plan didn't work, which made them focus their anger on mundane things.
>
>Jersey is shit on constantly and even the real families were in massive decline. In the modern world meth is much more popular than organised crime because every corporation is essentially a crime family.
I'm Suprised nobody has made soft disclosure kino about this.
Dopesick and succession are the closest we've got
Walter is what happens when a pretentious idiot tries to make an "interesting" character.
finally someone said it.
vince is a redditor trying to be deep
yall homies dum as hell
Walt is a beta who is pissed at where he ended up at in life and thirsts for power
what is reddit about that
the fact that he's meant to be written as an alpha (until the final season shat the bed)
I think you missed the point
He may be acting more assertive and violent, but he's still a jealous butthole the whole time.
Hank is the real alpha.
>Walt is a beta
>what is reddit about that
It kind of makes him a believable character though. Flawed people who thirst for power do exist
You should really try not to base your entire character around being a contrarian anon, makes it hard to get along with people.
Except tony isn't deep either. Chase is a hack too. "oh wow this sociopath actually has a soft spot for animals and his daugther" come on now. Walter wasn't "meant" to be deep. Yet you have morons like yourself still thinking Tony is a deep character 20+ years later.
>soft spot for animals
They haven’t betrayed him and threaten him
>and his daugther
Because family is literally the point of the show?
Walter White is what happens when you give a little bit of power to the oppressed. Tony Soprano is the chill leader who inherit his power and can be evil sometimes but it's cool in general.
>Tony Soprano is the chill leader
>Get's butthurt over Junior's ball busting
Breaking Bad is pure fantasy, Sopranos is actually realistic. WW is evil like a super villain is evil. Sopranos is actually a product of child abuse and organized crime, he's an actual bad person.
>Sopranos is actually realistic
This is your realistic show?
Yes that’s it. The Wire is of course the most realistic but the Sopranos is second. BB is cartoon with real life actors tier with House of Cards.
The whole premise of Sopranos is literally unrealistic.
This was a pretty weird example. How is this not realistic?
/misc/ doesnt think black people can play chess
>guy walks down a huge wide road, straight down the middle
>literally no place to hide in order to sneak up on him, it's impossible not to see somebody approaching you no matter what
>500lbs blob slides right behind him like a ninja and shoots him in the head, then takes 3 full minutes to slowly get into the getaway car
>his concern is the chess
Who is the racist?
Why didnt they make it a drive by shooting instead
Walter devolves into a sociopath, but he realizes how far gone he is. Meanwhile Tony has been an awful person for most of his life and rarely reflects on that
>rarely reflects on that
Motherfricker did you watch the show?
He reflects on it but it hardly influences what he does, in the end he's just the same old sociopath who only got worse than what we saw at the beginning.
Did you? By the end of the series Mel was sick of Tony and his bullshit crocodile tears.
I still can't decide whether I think she/that study was right or not. If she got more aggressive with Tony I think their might have been a chance to change him. If she brought up the study with him, maybe.
I mean yeah it doesn’t lead to any change but it seemed like that was one of the reasons for his depression
they are both c**ts, why would you ever want to be involved with either?
Money
that worked great for tony b
I watched plane die
Walter would get shit on by tony and his crew tbf.
>moronic jersey bros
vs
>A literal genius terrorist
>A literal genius
>makes moronic plays every time and the second any heat comes his way he cries and seethes
sure
Walt is a beta dork.
more evil, anon
Wrong.
He was correcting "eviler" which is not a word
It’s not. Walter White is a try-hard, he’s not actually evil. But in the drug game you have to act that way to get respect from morons.
Say my name
>eviler
tony was a mental midgit, also never had the making of a varsity athlete but my boy spider on the other hand...
he hash an iq of 136, it's been teshted
She got high as balls on dangerous drugs and the slightest movement made her roll over.
She was threatening Walt so she could enable her and Jessie's drug habit. She got what she deserved and Walt shouldn't feel guilty that a drug addict choked on her own vomit.
It's like if I got drunk and played real life frogger every morning on a highway, and you blame the car that finally hits me
for
Season 1 Tony is (probably) less evil than Season 5 Walt. But Season 6 Tony is the fricking devil and far worse than Walt ever was.
This. Making Bobby become a killer is sadistic as frick.
The point of no return for me was sending Vito Jr to that hellhole camp in Idaho after using $200 grand meant for his mom to feed his gambling addiction
Geeez, morons start responding to the right posts from the beginning
Meant for
and
>far worse than Walt ever was.
Walter poisoned a kid, Tony would never sink that low
Yeah, Tony sank much lower
>yall
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>evil
merely a perspective
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Does anyone even wear a fedora anymore?
Me when I go to my atheist reddit meetups and plow confused godless college bawds
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Exactly. When I killed those people it was a morally correct action. Just because they didn't enjoy being chained up in my basement doesn't make it evil. I enjoyed it. And why does my enjoyment matter less than the """victim's"""?
>moralility
just a concept
>no argument
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Imagine watching either of these
>posts on Cinemaphile board
>thinks all Cinemaphile is le israelites and Black folk
Why are you here, just to be a culture warrior?
Where did I say that bot?
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>watches the Matrix
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You are grammatically moronicrer than me.
Walter might be more objectively evil, with how he's gotten many innocent people killed and didn't stop when he had the chance but I think you can make the argument that Tony is an overall worse person.
Walter broke bad because he lived a life having to look up to other people and do what they say and there are many, many points where Walter shows empathy or remorse for his actions. Even in the end he saved Jessie as moronic of a scheme it was. Majority of the deaths he caused were indirect, even if ultimately he did cause more deaths.
Tony on the other hand was born into his life and as such lacks a lot of empathy for the things he's done, the people close to him he kills does haunt him at points but you'd never see him shed a tear for killing his cousin who was like a brother to him growing up. At no point does he ever consider the life he works in to be bad. He's a legitimate pyschopath.
>Tony on the other hand was born into his life and as such lacks a lot of empathy for the things he's done, the people close to him he kills does haunt him at points but you'd never see him shed a tear for killing his cousin who was like a brother to him growing up. At no point does he ever consider the life he works in to be bad. He's a legitimate pyschopath.
Tony is a soldier. It's explained over and over that this the mobster coping mechanism. They all know the stakes of the thing they set their foot in and all accepted those stakes. They're willing participants.
He killed his cousin to avoid him a much more painful death under torture. Said cousin killed a mobster so he knew this could be backfiring. If we go deeper, it's not even by choice, theae people are born into it and have no way out. It's made clear when that one guy wins the lottery and both the cops and the mobsters wouldn't let him escape the life.
Tony didn't kill any non mobster or mobster related person. He did what he had to do just like any of the other mobsters would. He also didn't chose this life and knew it wasn't a good moral life. That's why he kept his son, whom he loved, out ot it. That's also why he tried his hardest to keep Jacky Junior out of those circles.
Walter was a sperg that went into the crime life willingly and felt nothing but disdain about his own son.
He's an overall worse person.
>felt nothing but disdain about his own son.
What? Did you not see the show and think Jessie is his son?
He loved his son and wanted to give him and his family millions of dollars
>why he kept his son, whom he loved, out ot it.
In the last season he willingly connects his son to the other mob kids who are running schemes
I'd say Waltuh became a way more dangerous person than Tony but Tony was a true sociopath his entire life and Waltuh lost his shit when he was 50. So yeah, Tony Soprano is more evil but Walter White is more dangerous.
Tony is low IQ he's acting on instinct
It’s like comparing Hitler to Voldemort who’s more evil. Tony is a realistic believable portrayal of a mob boss while Walter is a fantastical character.
Breaking Bad is a fun ride but what’s happening in it is so detached from realism that all of Walter evil feels too abstract to compare with Tony’s acts
Walter white was an impossible character, the show was insanely unrealistic
Sopranos is realistic view of a sociopathic boss slowly ruining their family from greed and selfishness
>How is this even a debate?
Its not? Why do you think it is?
Tony wasn't evil, though.
WW's evil has an impersonal corporate feel while Tony is like a smarter than most mob bully.
Tony seems to enjoy doing evil more than WW but Tony's is only a byproduct of his upbringing while WW got to where he was all by himself.
Also, the scale of a small NJ crime family vs. WW's meth empire isn't comparable.
Not debatable.
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Tony's gradual but certain transformation into a complete psycho is done very well
your mom is a debate
Walter adored his blue meth
Tony adored the duck family swimming in his pool
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Tony was evil as frick. Walter did almost nothing wrong. People who think Walter are evil are fricking brainlets. Noooooo MUH BROCK. HE POISONED SOME UGLY FAT LITTLE MEXICAN KID AND HE WAS FINE, NOOOOOOOO THAT'S SO HECKIN EVIL HE CAN'T DO THAT NOOOOOO PEOPLE CAN'T BUY METH IT'S HARMFUL NOOOOOOOO PEOPLE AREN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN CHOICES NOOOOOOOOOO
Gus was evil, the cartel was evil, etc. Walter wasn't evil.
The mafia wasn't so bad unless you owed them money or were a member and broke one of their serious rules.
Some families had rules against using and selling drugs.
Walter ruined more lives with his meth empire than tony ever did
>Walter ruined more lives with his meth empire than tony ever did
dude like, just don't do meth lmao
like just don't lol
>eviler
If an adjective is two syllables or longer we use "more", unless it's two syllables that ends with a 'y' then you change it '-ier'.
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