it's kinda weird how few British Empire soldiers were recorded as executed for desertion/treason
apparently it was under a hundred
the french were a lot more tough on it
>accept order >get shot >refuse order >get shot
why not shoot your commander and run away? Worst case scenario they catch you and you get shot, which was going to happen anyway.
it would take a long string of things going right to be able to precipitate a successful mutiny that spreads to even a battalion level and that still wouldn't be enough to get out of the warzone
I remember watching a WW1 show where a couple companies deserted and fricked off and the best they could do was to create a short lived pocket capable of warding off military police
They did in Vietnam. They called it fragging. Guys who got drafted hated their overzealous CO's that only wanted medals, so they would drop frag grenades on them to send a message.
Good movie, but a bit horseshit
I did history class in Australia and watched that movie as part of it. Watching that movie you'd get the impression that it was all about evil moustache twirling British commanders ordering brave Australians to die in pointless suicide charges while British troops sat around eating scones and drinking tea. You'd never know that 7x more British people died there and they weren't taking a break on the beach when the battle of the Nek happened. Also those charges were ordered by Australian commanders and not British ones.
It was pretty typical of a Mel Gibson movie, such as the Patriot and Braveheart to play fast and loose with the historical record.
I used to say "war is le bad" a lot. I used to always comment on youtube about how war is bad and how no soldier wants to fight in a war, because of all the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who would come home and always talk about how "war is hell" and how bad it is, etc.
But then one day I read a book about the Napoleonic wars, from a French cavalry soldier's perspective, and what he said really shocked me. He talked about how him and his comrades were all itching for a fight, how eager they all were for Napoleon to get into another war, so they could prove themselves once more and earn swords of honour and the legion d'honneur and promotions. They all wanted to die on the battlefield.
So after reading about that, I began to look at these Iraq/Afghanistan veterans like they were pussies, and did a lot of research on those wars, particularly Afghanistan, and found there was frick all combat to begin with. I even spoke to one veteran recently who was discharged for having PTSD who told me all he did in Afghanistan was drive around in an armoured vehicle and never got into contact with the enemy.
>we need to bring back the age of the soldier
the problem is theres nothing worth fighting for anymore, if you join your countrys army, youre not fighting for your country, youre fighting for your government thats owned by corporations
yea every human needs to live until their organs fail or else its wrong. thats how it works. nothing is worth truly believing or putting your life on the line for because youre just so damn COMFY
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That's not what I'm arguing. This is my last reply to you strawmanning, goalpost-moving mouthbreather. Btw I hope you get gloriously captured and gloriously raped to death in your glorious ass by a 60 iq 120 kg Boris.
War isn't inherently bad or a mistake but the analysis of All Quiet is true. World War I was an insane and senseless architecture of human suffering. At least WW2 had some substantial purpose.
>He talked about how him and his comrades were all itching for a fight, how eager they all were for Napoleon to get into another war, so they could prove themselves once more and earn swords of honour and the legion d'honneur and promotions. They all wanted to die on the battlefield.
Go read memoirs of people who fought in WWI and see if you feel the same way. Industry and modernity have taken every vestige of glory in war.
The days of Napoleon and the "glorious" cavalry charge died a hundred years ago
>Go read memoirs of people who fought in WWI
Funny you should say that as I have read quite a few. I'll share one anecdote that stuck with me from a book about Australian cavalry (or light horse as they were called). They liked to use the word 'scrap' a lot to refer to a battle and they would often talk about how eager they all were to get into a scrap and how bitterly annoyed they were at the fact that they'd been kept out of action for so long. Then finally they got the news that they were to attack Gaza again (their first attack failed) and they along with the British Army captured the town from the Turco-German army.
I really did see that mentioned frequently throughout that book, various troopers talking about how they were eager to get into battle.
This was in Palestine though, I can understand why that attitude probably didn't exist in the trenches in France.
War is really boring. Most of the time you just sit around, eat shitty food, march or dig enforcements. Take that plus being indoctrinated into obedience and a proper scrap sounds like a nice change of course. The actual fighting part doesn‘t (for many) seem to be the issue. A lot of spec ops talk the same way about wanting to get into a dcrap. Adrenaline pumps you enough to mask discomfort in combat.
But modern war has added the capacity to die st any moment. Which ads supreme terror and discomfort to the boredom. That‘s what makes modern war so terrible and ptsd inducing. The fact that you‘re always on edge and in danger. Even though he hardly ever fight
Thanks anon, yeah my point is that the only place anyone can go prowling for a scrap are in the gang wars of a city in decline or in the service of petty semi-feudal warlords who rule over impoverished peoples.
All other polities fight in modern wars. Either in the plains and trenches under the fire of ceaseless artillery or in the slothful monotonous grind of urban siege warfare.
Even the elite soldiers like Spec Ops operators, despite their personal exhilaration in the face of combat and a mission properly executed, don't go around looking for trouble, content to make do with whatever trouble they are assigned.
>and what he said really shocked me. He talked about how him and his comrades were all itching for a fight, how eager they all were for Napoleon to get into another war, so they could prove themselves once more
This still happens today moron. It just happens less because 1. Most people do not want to fight in a zog war and 2. Technology is at an insane level on the battlefield. Men weren't made to fight these wars we have today
>We need to bring back the age of the real soldier
Thank you for sharing this valuable insight chuddie, now tell us more about paradox games and anime which are your only hobbies besides browsing /misc/
Why don't you go to war then, chud, and see how you hold up under fire
Why don't you go to war then?
Go die like a dog for some moronic cause then you chickenhawk homosexual
>We need to bring back the age of the real soldier
Ok so after you thought all that stuff you went and enlisted right?
>We need to bring back the age of the real soldier
Thank you for sharing this valuable insight chuddie, now tell us more about paradox games and anime which are your only hobbies besides browsing /misc/
Well you said it, the only reason they wanted war was glory? Wheres the glory in modern warfare? You're taking a shit and your dick gets blown off by a drone, not nice
Conscripted homosexuals vs. chad sociopathic professional soldiers. For every 3 crying gays there is 1 man who was born to kill and relishes in the fight and the glory.
Unfortunately war is won in the skies now and this kind of scene isn't the same.
Those cavalrymen wouldn't have a fun time in the trenches of WWI or getting blown the frick up by the roadside IED. The industrialization of warfare makes it a lot more horrible than what soldiers of the past had to endure.
all modern soldiers are essentially just mercenaries. they all enlist with some secondary motivation like "oh this will pay for X and Y later and help me out financially in the long run" or something like that. theres no honor. no soldier wants to die in battle, and even if they did theres no glory in modern war. you get shot in the head and die without even knowing what happened.
WW1 completely changed the game.
War got a lot less fun when so much of it started being about getting blasted to pieces from the sky or shredded by machine guns before the enemy is even in sight. That's why modern wars have so little actual confrontation, it's just not very effective anymore when you have drones, artillery that can blast them from the other side of the country, minefields and all that shit.
The kind of people who thrived people being a soldier back then are more the kind of people that thrive being mercenaries in African shitholes where actual boots on the ground are the main weapon anyone can afford. Not in the standing armies of major world powers.
what's the deal with this kid? I thought he was supposed to be like 12 years old but those wrinkles make him look like he has Andy Milanokos disease and is secretly 45 years old.
Yeah and the only people who believe otherwise are the soulless israelite executives of military hardware companies or the other israelites in their pockets.
War is bad and should be avoided when possible. Sometimes it's necessary to defend yourself against an irrational and rabid attack dog, though.
Storm of Steel reads very similar albeit a bit less melancholy. the author describes the transcendental nature of battle but never says anything close to >woah war is so heckin cool and fun
>Go to war (over israeli interests) >Either nothing happens for 5 years or half your friends are dead in horrific ways >Either way you're filled with bad memories and experimental military drugs >Or missing limbs if you have really bad luck >Come back >Girlfriend/Wife cucks you, black baby on the way >Whatever benefits you gained from enlisting are shit >No support besides that >People just asume you went on a rapange raping and killing babies and basically you're just a monster to them >This is assuming that everything went right >Worst case scenario you're dead or captured and tortured for info (and then dead) >Second worse case scenario is comming back as a human potato (crippled) >Third is coming back with nightmares and a heroin adiction
So what's the upside from this?
You got to shoot some lads.
The trick is not to go to war if it isn't happening on your own soil. If you live and win, people will call you a hero and praise your actions.
/pol/gays when their side is winning >war is so fricking based! what's the matter, golem? tired of getting killed for your israelite masters, hmmm? just give up and we will grant you a shift death!
/pol/gays when their side is losing (which is all of the time) >NOOOO you can't do that! war crimes! war crimes! can't we all just get along? peace is a wonderful thing! War....le bad!
>meanwhile the Brits in the Peter Jackson documentary were sad the war was over since they were having a good time together and didn't know a life other than shooting the shit and an occasional kraut
no they didn't moron
war is full of people who aren't truly exposed to it and revel in some fantasy that is alien to the men who actually looked it in the eye
Yes they did, moron. Some people find the only identity they will ever have in their life in a grand scale war. WW1 was uniquely ugly as a conflict but men were built to crave battle and camraderie. We spend our whole lives looking for ways to fill that void with games/movies/sports.
Western front in WW2 on the allied side actually looked like a pretty comfy time. Imagine going on a pussy cruise around Europe where you and the boys are the law only occasionally interspersed with gunfights with 14 year olds and geriatrics. Must have been awesome.
I didn't know I was on Cinemaphile
anyways war is all hell and World War I was the end of romance in war because nobody in their right mind would be cool with getting turned into pink mist by a shrapnel shell launched 12 miles away, sitting in a trench full of mud and rats, fighting over a 2 mile hypothetical gain of land, all because some rich poofters made a bunch of deals over the previous 40 years to ally with one another over the hopes of some land becoming available
Yeah it's a net negative. Pretty cool though.
>Off by one
Yep, God proved you're wrong and a homosexual
Watch a real movie poof
pic rel: Australians at Gallipoli before being given the order to go over the top for a suicide charge to their inevitable deaths
good film. you might also like The Trench with Daniel Craig. similar format
why didn't they just say no if they knew it was a pointless suicide charge?
Because back then you could be shot for refusing an order
it's kinda weird how few British Empire soldiers were recorded as executed for desertion/treason
apparently it was under a hundred
the french were a lot more tough on it
anglos are the best cattle
>accept order
>get shot
>refuse order
>get shot
why not shoot your commander and run away? Worst case scenario they catch you and you get shot, which was going to happen anyway.
probably because those are white men in that screenshot and not israeli rats who only think about themselves and their own survival
it would take a long string of things going right to be able to precipitate a successful mutiny that spreads to even a battalion level and that still wouldn't be enough to get out of the warzone
I remember watching a WW1 show where a couple companies deserted and fricked off and the best they could do was to create a short lived pocket capable of warding off military police
They did in Vietnam. They called it fragging. Guys who got drafted hated their overzealous CO's that only wanted medals, so they would drop frag grenades on them to send a message.
Because Churchill said that any man who refused to go was gay
They were all brainwashed to believe it would accomplish something
>Struth, m8!
I wouldn't mind going over the top if I got to wore those cool hats. Aussies are so based bros
Good movie, but a bit horseshit
I did history class in Australia and watched that movie as part of it. Watching that movie you'd get the impression that it was all about evil moustache twirling British commanders ordering brave Australians to die in pointless suicide charges while British troops sat around eating scones and drinking tea. You'd never know that 7x more British people died there and they weren't taking a break on the beach when the battle of the Nek happened. Also those charges were ordered by Australian commanders and not British ones.
It was pretty typical of a Mel Gibson movie, such as the Patriot and Braveheart to play fast and loose with the historical record.
It is though.
I used to say "war is le bad" a lot. I used to always comment on youtube about how war is bad and how no soldier wants to fight in a war, because of all the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who would come home and always talk about how "war is hell" and how bad it is, etc.
But then one day I read a book about the Napoleonic wars, from a French cavalry soldier's perspective, and what he said really shocked me. He talked about how him and his comrades were all itching for a fight, how eager they all were for Napoleon to get into another war, so they could prove themselves once more and earn swords of honour and the legion d'honneur and promotions. They all wanted to die on the battlefield.
So after reading about that, I began to look at these Iraq/Afghanistan veterans like they were pussies, and did a lot of research on those wars, particularly Afghanistan, and found there was frick all combat to begin with. I even spoke to one veteran recently who was discharged for having PTSD who told me all he did in Afghanistan was drive around in an armoured vehicle and never got into contact with the enemy.
We need to bring back the age of the real soldier
>we need to bring back the age of the soldier
the problem is theres nothing worth fighting for anymore, if you join your countrys army, youre not fighting for your country, youre fighting for your government thats owned by corporations
It was always like that, just replace corporations with nobility.
>implying nobility and corporations behave in the same ways and are similar at all
They do when it comes to sending young man to die in horrible ways, homosexual.
yea every human needs to live until their organs fail or else its wrong. thats how it works. nothing is worth truly believing or putting your life on the line for because youre just so damn COMFY
That's not what I'm arguing. This is my last reply to you strawmanning, goalpost-moving mouthbreather. Btw I hope you get gloriously captured and gloriously raped to death in your glorious ass by a 60 iq 120 kg Boris.
weird schizo seethe meltdown
War isn't inherently bad or a mistake but the analysis of All Quiet is true. World War I was an insane and senseless architecture of human suffering. At least WW2 had some substantial purpose.
>He talked about how him and his comrades were all itching for a fight, how eager they all were for Napoleon to get into another war, so they could prove themselves once more and earn swords of honour and the legion d'honneur and promotions. They all wanted to die on the battlefield.
Go read memoirs of people who fought in WWI and see if you feel the same way. Industry and modernity have taken every vestige of glory in war.
The days of Napoleon and the "glorious" cavalry charge died a hundred years ago
>Go read memoirs of people who fought in WWI
Funny you should say that as I have read quite a few. I'll share one anecdote that stuck with me from a book about Australian cavalry (or light horse as they were called). They liked to use the word 'scrap' a lot to refer to a battle and they would often talk about how eager they all were to get into a scrap and how bitterly annoyed they were at the fact that they'd been kept out of action for so long. Then finally they got the news that they were to attack Gaza again (their first attack failed) and they along with the British Army captured the town from the Turco-German army.
I really did see that mentioned frequently throughout that book, various troopers talking about how they were eager to get into battle.
This was in Palestine though, I can understand why that attitude probably didn't exist in the trenches in France.
War is really boring. Most of the time you just sit around, eat shitty food, march or dig enforcements. Take that plus being indoctrinated into obedience and a proper scrap sounds like a nice change of course. The actual fighting part doesn‘t (for many) seem to be the issue. A lot of spec ops talk the same way about wanting to get into a dcrap. Adrenaline pumps you enough to mask discomfort in combat.
But modern war has added the capacity to die st any moment. Which ads supreme terror and discomfort to the boredom. That‘s what makes modern war so terrible and ptsd inducing. The fact that you‘re always on edge and in danger. Even though he hardly ever fight
Thanks anon, yeah my point is that the only place anyone can go prowling for a scrap are in the gang wars of a city in decline or in the service of petty semi-feudal warlords who rule over impoverished peoples.
All other polities fight in modern wars. Either in the plains and trenches under the fire of ceaseless artillery or in the slothful monotonous grind of urban siege warfare.
Even the elite soldiers like Spec Ops operators, despite their personal exhilaration in the face of combat and a mission properly executed, don't go around looking for trouble, content to make do with whatever trouble they are assigned.
again, the middle east front was completely different from the western and eastern front. just not even remotely comparable.
junger fought on the western front and enjoyed it
>and what he said really shocked me. He talked about how him and his comrades were all itching for a fight, how eager they all were for Napoleon to get into another war, so they could prove themselves once more
This still happens today moron. It just happens less because 1. Most people do not want to fight in a zog war and 2. Technology is at an insane level on the battlefield. Men weren't made to fight these wars we have today
>We need to bring back the age of the real soldier
Thank you for sharing this valuable insight chuddie, now tell us more about paradox games and anime which are your only hobbies besides browsing /misc/
you forgot sabaton
why are you insultingly writing about yourself?
>just write „no you“. It‘s cleaner
>At least WW2 had some substantial purpose
>kraut moron has a chimpout
more like eradicate the international israelite and usher the world into an age of prosperity and moral hygiene
>We need to bring back the age of the real soldier
Ok so after you thought all that stuff you went and enlisted right?
Go die like a dog for some moronic cause then you chickenhawk homosexual
Why don't you go to war then?
Why don't you go to war then, chud, and see how you hold up under fire
This guy never served anything but endless salad and breaksticks.
butthurt veteran wellfare queens malding.
Well you said it, the only reason they wanted war was glory? Wheres the glory in modern warfare? You're taking a shit and your dick gets blown off by a drone, not nice
the only value you can produce in a modern war is being the best zogbot
Masterful bait, anon.
Conscripted homosexuals vs. chad sociopathic professional soldiers. For every 3 crying gays there is 1 man who was born to kill and relishes in the fight and the glory.
Unfortunately war is won in the skies now and this kind of scene isn't the same.
Those cavalrymen wouldn't have a fun time in the trenches of WWI or getting blown the frick up by the roadside IED. The industrialization of warfare makes it a lot more horrible than what soldiers of the past had to endure.
all modern soldiers are essentially just mercenaries. they all enlist with some secondary motivation like "oh this will pay for X and Y later and help me out financially in the long run" or something like that. theres no honor. no soldier wants to die in battle, and even if they did theres no glory in modern war. you get shot in the head and die without even knowing what happened.
WW1 completely changed the game.
War got a lot less fun when so much of it started being about getting blasted to pieces from the sky or shredded by machine guns before the enemy is even in sight. That's why modern wars have so little actual confrontation, it's just not very effective anymore when you have drones, artillery that can blast them from the other side of the country, minefields and all that shit.
The kind of people who thrived people being a soldier back then are more the kind of people that thrive being mercenaries in African shitholes where actual boots on the ground are the main weapon anyone can afford. Not in the standing armies of major world powers.
Rhodesia
>american audience: what does Europe mean by this?
>THIS SUMMER
Solemn piano music plays
>WAR WILL BE
record scratch
>... le good?
The call of duty games are just ads to make people join the military
Congrats on figuring out what people have been saying for 2 decades moron
what the frick was this problem
what's the deal with this kid? I thought he was supposed to be like 12 years old but those wrinkles make him look like he has Andy Milanokos disease and is secretly 45 years old.
>i read storm of steel (heard about it on Cinemaphile.org), i hate AQOTWF now hehe im cool
Why are chud incels like this?
I recently read both and I didn't find Storm of Steel to be a very strong endorsement of war.
Yeah and the only people who believe otherwise are the soulless israelite executives of military hardware companies or the other israelites in their pockets.
War is bad and should be avoided when possible. Sometimes it's necessary to defend yourself against an irrational and rabid attack dog, though.
>Is that a heckin' line on the map? I don't like that, it should be a different place! We better kill hundreds of thousands over this!
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
Hi fren. Congratulations on being sane in this weirdly insane world
Have you seen Ukraine? War is awful
Epic meme! Upvoted.
Storm of Steel reads very similar albeit a bit less melancholy. the author describes the transcendental nature of battle but never says anything close to
>woah war is so heckin cool and fun
>Go to war (over israeli interests)
>Either nothing happens for 5 years or half your friends are dead in horrific ways
>Either way you're filled with bad memories and experimental military drugs
>Or missing limbs if you have really bad luck
>Come back
>Girlfriend/Wife cucks you, black baby on the way
>Whatever benefits you gained from enlisting are shit
>No support besides that
>People just asume you went on a rapange raping and killing babies and basically you're just a monster to them
>This is assuming that everything went right
>Worst case scenario you're dead or captured and tortured for info (and then dead)
>Second worse case scenario is comming back as a human potato (crippled)
>Third is coming back with nightmares and a heroin adiction
So what's the upside from this?
You got to shoot some lads.
The trick is not to go to war if it isn't happening on your own soil. If you live and win, people will call you a hero and praise your actions.
>You got to shoot some lads.
You can do that from home, just be a cop
I wanna kill people
>Girlfriend/Wife cucks you, black baby on the way
this is a good thing though
>cucks
/pol/gays when their side is winning
>war is so fricking based! what's the matter, golem? tired of getting killed for your israelite masters, hmmm? just give up and we will grant you a shift death!
/pol/gays when their side is losing (which is all of the time)
>NOOOO you can't do that! war crimes! war crimes! can't we all just get along? peace is a wonderful thing! War....le bad!
>yeah we lose either way but atleast we arent speaking german!
>t. would piss and shit himself 5 minutes into WW1
>meanwhile the Brits in the Peter Jackson documentary were sad the war was over since they were having a good time together and didn't know a life other than shooting the shit and an occasional kraut
no they didn't moron
war is full of people who aren't truly exposed to it and revel in some fantasy that is alien to the men who actually looked it in the eye
Yes they did, moron. Some people find the only identity they will ever have in their life in a grand scale war. WW1 was uniquely ugly as a conflict but men were built to crave battle and camraderie. We spend our whole lives looking for ways to fill that void with games/movies/sports.
>only people who agree with me have TRULY seen war
Western front in WW2 on the allied side actually looked like a pretty comfy time. Imagine going on a pussy cruise around Europe where you and the boys are the law only occasionally interspersed with gunfights with 14 year olds and geriatrics. Must have been awesome.
Yeah, young men don't like having to die for old rich people.
war is necessary
The true themes of the first and second world wars is that Euroshits cannot be trusted with a modern military.
napoleonic wars were the last kino conflicts. after that the weapons get too powerful, which sucks the kino out of war.
>dying on campaign instead of the battlefield
nah it was actually the start of gay wars
why didn't they just say no? are the generals gonna shoot EVERYBODY? then they'd lose the war
I didn't know I was on Cinemaphile
anyways war is all hell and World War I was the end of romance in war because nobody in their right mind would be cool with getting turned into pink mist by a shrapnel shell launched 12 miles away, sitting in a trench full of mud and rats, fighting over a 2 mile hypothetical gain of land, all because some rich poofters made a bunch of deals over the previous 40 years to ally with one another over the hopes of some land becoming available