>War vet who learned how to fight
>Just Wants to Teach Students to Win
Why did Miyagi and the show Cobra Kai villify him so much?
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>War vet who learned how to fight. >Just Wants to Teach Students to Win
Cause he showed no mercy.
It's how he survived Nam. Pat Morieta wouldn't know that cause he was too busy sniping American soldiers from Charlie's foxholes.
Miyagi was an American WW2 vet.
>muh Medal of Valor
he was a poster child for the war effort, nothing more
you really think they put asians into wienerpits during WW2? we locked them in containment camps
we're getting off track here, if you could rape just one and only one, which would it be? not date! rape.
Didn't he help with cracking the Japanese codes? He was never a fighter pilot.
So he was a traitor? Betrayed Sato. Betrayed the girl he fricked. Betrayed his father. Fled to America. And betrayed himself by being a janitor. Oh! And he betrayed his country. And they tried to murder him when he came back 40 years later. Talk about a grudge.
Mr. Miyagi changed the course of the war
Show respect in this dojo
This isn't "Windtalkers" b***h! Asians worship BWC. That's who won the war. Nobody fears karate anymore.
But the israelite fears the samurai!
Instead of these continued poor attempts at getting a reaction. Why don't you explain how the movies aren't canon.
left
>he was too busy sniping zog bots who came 6000+ miles from home to level the country flat with b52's then give him communism, and gay sex
Cobra Kai the show exonerates him. Peyton List exonerates me.
I'm sorry. I can't. Her breasts are fake AF. Yes her body is odd proportioned, but that's probably why she got them.
t. incel
>caring if big booba are real instead of just enjoying the big booba
gay
>I'm sorry. I can't. Her breasts are fake AF. Yes her body is odd proportioned, but that's probably why she got them.
Why do insecure virgins talk this way? Can someone explain the psychology behind this?
I've had more sex than you. I promise.
Pretend I am a virgin. What are you gonna do about it, pussy?
Sloth had a daughter
Tetas grandes
That’s where she went after Jesse.
who the frick is jesse
miyagi is so fricking funny. the guy is just a fat frick old americano de los goblino asian going oooh young grasshoppa!
>fat
Miyagi was fit af for a guy in his 60s you gay moron
This; to be fair though Kreese backstory isn’t explained until cobra Kai season 3 but he has every right to be how he is considering
he was a good dude who got relentless bullied, lost his gf to a car crash, lost his mom to suicide, his only mentor tried to have him killed in WW1, his dad would frequently beat the frick out of him, he had nothing
>ww1
anon, my sides
>WW1
Fricking kek how old do you think Kreese is
it just boils down to
>western martial arts baaad because you hurt pipo
>eastern martial arts good because you honouru dojo
it's a nip/chink cope because MMA beats karate anyday
karate teaches you to lick your sensei's ass
western martial arts teach you how to dislocate limbs
i really don't think anyone in japan is seeing karate as anything but a fun hobby bro. they aren't like the chinese where they foam at the mouth defending their shitty martial arts. its only dumbass weebs like daniel larusso who do that.
Thats not even Chinese peoples fault entirely because they erased so much about their history that martial arts have become this mystical thing so its only extremely patriotic people who blindly defend them hence why the younger generation that's into MMA were clashing with the old school martial arts "Masters" for being fake
>i really don't think anyone in japan is seeing karate as anything but a fun hobby bro.
the language barrier protects you from their foaming morons. if there was a project memri for japs then you'd see how many moronic takes many japanese have. just go watch sanshiro sugata or sumo do, sumo don't.
The war vet guy was a psycho transferring his “kill or be killed” Nam psychology onto impressionable young men which turned them into miserable bullies while Miyagi took on the role of not only teaching Danny martial arts but important life lessons as well.
I hate it when midwits intentionally miss the point movies make just so they can attempt to make some big brain “ugh the bad guy is akshully good ok?” Point shut up homosexual
>western martial arts teach you how to dislocate limbs
We get that from BJJ which got it from judo you dumb shit (also wrestling, but BJJ does it more).
>>Just Wants to Teach Students to Win
He's beating the shit out of Johnny after losing an amateur karate tournament before he even graduates high school homie
The entire fricking thing is that he's honestly the only good person out of the 'sensei's'
Daniel: a fricking sociopath who can't get over being bullied as a kid
Johnny: a fricking incel-lite who struggles with anything unless he's got the attention of a woman motivating him
Chozen: ah yes, I want to run away to the mountains and give no frick about the kids
Silver: I want to be a Disney villain
Kreese: I just don't like whiny b***hes.
He's the only fricking person in the entire show outside of possibly Devon who genuinely gives a frick about Tory's situation. Devon was just nice to her back. Everyone shits all over the one person who fricking needs help except Kreese.
Like when every fricking system failed her and her own family are after her mom's money, she's working jobs, going to school and trying her best to help Kreese who wants to help her back. Meanwhile everyone else is like 'tory deserves it cause like she hurt sam'
Johnny: Incel-lite
Based moron-kun, he literally has a son and knocks up Carmen
>incel lite
he's desperate for any female attention you moronic frick. That's the whole thing. After the little mexican kid gets beat up and Carmen is disappointed in him, he 'fixes it'. He even fricking beats up a dude who was banging her cause he was 'mistreating' her cause he didn't worship her like Johnny did
also, spoilers .
>little Mexican kid
He’s Ecuadorian you amerilard, get you’re fricking facts straight and learn what words mean before you start spouting out shit like an inbred
You don’t even know the characters
You’re describing you yank frick
You've never been laid in your life have you?
>Daniel: a fricking sociopath who can't get over being bullied as a kid
The first movie is him ignoring them for like 40 minutes before they kick his ass multiple times and he needs Miyagi's help also Johnny's girl wants Daniels twink wiener it's not his fault at all
In the show, anon
They acknowledged like 99% of the movies aren't canon outside of a few scenes for 'le comedy' or 'le deep history'
He's literally obsessed with Johnny
>racism because he's proven wrong
okie dokie but that's against the rules, ya know
Americans aren’t a race, you continue to demonstrate your low iq dumbass
Who gives a shit about the show?
right so you're trolling, got it
The show is better than anything after the first movie you yank frick
>They acknowledged like 99% of the movies aren't canon
What the frick are you talking about?
They just cherrypick things and randomly add in things to the movies
Like the whole past of the characters were just made up and meant to explain why they are bad in KK movies
It's basically fan fiction. Still good
Altho in fairness, KK3 was also utter shit and basically just an attempt at making more money, the plot of that was morond as frick but well, it's why they brought in Silver for CK
You're a fricking moron. How does anything you said make the movies not canon?
>they completely change what happened in the movies but this isn't changing what happened according to them
hmm
oh geez hmm
how do I respond to you?
What did they change?
like everything to make Daniel the fricking victim in KK1
KK2 had made it clear Chozen was a fricking sociopath just like Daniel but now both are 'very honarable warriors fighting against the tyranny of... a homeless fricking vietnam vet and his buddy, the recovered coke fiend'
The show showed both Daniel and johnny's perspective of the events of the first movie. Maybe you were to stupid to understand that
Chosen was a thug and bully. Who was ultimately humiliated and humbled. You think it's impossible that he matured over those 30 years?
They fleshed out kreese and silvers back story.
None of the stuff they added contradicted the movies. It just added depth.
What the frick did they change to make the movies not canon? You fricking moron.
>trolling by trying to start a flame war
okie dokie, shan't get a response
>trolling
Not him but you replied the same to me b***h. How many anons do you think are ITT right now?
>28 posters currently
You are a fricking moron. You haven't been able to provide a single example of the movies not being canon.
>him ignoring them for like 40 minutes
Really? I seem to recall him attacking first when I had the "Daniel was the real bully" video on in the background while playing Civ IV
>goes to beach
>argues with girlfriend
>dude who is clearly hitting on her tries to play hero
>you shove him away because... you know, you care more about your girl and want to solve this problem
>moron homosexual charges you twice, both times you trip him clearly showing he's out classed
>moron homosexual then comes again at you a 3rd time, taunting you so you kick him once
>go over to help him explaining you don't want to fight
>get sucker punched
>get pulled away by friends and ever since then the moronic homosexual harrasses him
see above
> Daniel was the real bully
This is a meme video. Johnny breaks a radio in a tard rage after aggressively forcing the girl to talk to him and then shoves Daniel to the ground when he tries to calm them both down.
After this Daniel plays a childish prank and pours water on Johnnys head and this psycho thinks getting his friends to run him off the road nearly killing him and then propping up him limp body to deliver strikes to his head is an appropriate retaliation
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here you go morons
watch it
He clearly calms the frick down once the moron homosexual who sucker punched him isn't a threat
see above
The problem is that Alli clearly had the problem under control. Daniel just interferred because... his dick wants Alli
>here you go morons
>watch it
>He clearly calms the frick down once the moron homosexual who sucker punched him isn't a threat
at least there are some sane males left on the planet
any guy that talks about
>"bullies" "Being bullied"
or anything like that is a complete homosexual cuck
simple as
Because our society fundamentally hates pragmatism and glorifies utopianism/ethics/moral superiority. We, as a society, would rather be morally correct and fail than be pragmatic and successful.
So much so that in a Hollywood film like this a moral victory is transfigured into literal victory (despite the story having to violate it's own rules to do so lmao). In real life, Johnny would have won the tournament, gone on to a successful life using the pragmatism and work ethic from his days in karate, and caused endless seethe from unmotivated moralists that lack personal agency.
I think it's because moral/ethical righteousness is easier than pragmatic action. You don't have to do or risk anything to be "morally righteous," but you have to actually take agency and responsibility to be pragmatic. You can pretty much boil down the conflict broiling in the West down to the clash between these two ideas.
The pragmatic psycho that tells a 16 year old to break another kids leg so another kid can win the big karate tournament
Yes, I never said pragmatism was nice.
In the real world, no one is going to give a shit if the looser suffered a grievous injury. That shit only matters in materially wealthy countries where people have the luxury of debating the ethics of violence.
The strong do what they will, and the weak suffer as they must. It's not nice, it's not fair, it's not just, it's not how things should be. But it IS how our world works. You can either adapt and cope with that reality or continue to be a little whiny b***h.
damn bro you're just like vegeta from dragonball, can you pelase have sex with my wife while i watch? please sir?
I accept your concession.
you're far too smart for me, intellectually and physically dominating. i bet you're 9+ plus inches down below? oh sir...
Okay Thucydides, it's a karate tournament in socal
I think you can skip all the pretentiousness and just say "it's a question of whether the ends justify the means or not."
Kreese says yes, Miyagi says no, and it orbits out.
It's the opposite
He only wanted Daniel's leg targeted because it made sense in a fight
Miyagi is literally: tell no truth, confuse student during training, bore them to bits, no training only if for self defense
Like in KK3 he literally fricking refused to help Daniel except until he got into a fight
He's the ultimate shitter in the show next to Johnny
You’re leaving out the part where he doesn’t want Daniel to fight in 3 because
A) he almost lost him to a death match the movie before
B) he thinks fighting for a trophy is worthless and defeats the purpose
You’re not entirely wrong tho, he basically lets Daniel get tortured by silver bc muh morals. That part is hard to watch
No, Kreese was a psycho who only taught kids how to fight and installed in them this vicious bully mentality so they went out into the world and irresponsibly used their martial arts on kids the moment they became annoyed with them.
Miyagi taught Daniel responsibilities and patients because he didn’t want to just teach him how to hurt people. This was to prevent him from becoming a miserable bully too.
I can’t believe the Karate Kid is 2deep4plebs here
But it never actually showed Kreese ever encouraging bullying, like ever
The most you get is 'in a fight show no mercy to your enemy'. Not 'make sure to bully your enemy'
I mean he doesn’t correct Johnny or the others for attempting to practically maim Daniel.. I mean Johnny was obviously gonna kill him almost that night, any sensible sensei would have booted you from a dojo if you abused it like that
But he never knew about anything. Even stated to leave Daniel alone.
Also from the perspective of things, Johnny and Alli were fighting, Daniel is some random fricking bum who picks a fight with Johnny, Johnny trips him twice, clearly indicating he's out matching him and Daniel keeps trying to start shit
Like, Kreese taught him well. And even after that, Daniel is the one who keeps starting shit.
>And even after that, Daniel is the one who keeps starting shit
I re-watched KK recently and noticed this. Johnny is never the actual instigator and it's always Daniel's antics that cause the fights/"bullying."
>defend a girl you like on the beach from a clearly violent and short tempered man
>for all you know he could beat her, hit her. Etc you just saw him break her radio
>this now means you are deserving to be emotionally bullied and beaten for 2 months for having the Gaul to defend a helpless girl from her abusive schizo ex
>having the Gaul
Anon I can’t tell if you’re being a bit obtuse but you cannot shove someone off a bike, have them fall to almost death then have your friends hold their limp body upright while you beat them into an almost certain coma or death just bc they fricked with you once or twice ..jfl
You telling me putting water on someone and defending a girl against them means it’s ok to do what he did!
I’m not disagreeing, Daniel is a shitter in movie 1 and couldn’t leave well enough alone , but he was knocked out and Johnny still wanted to beat tf out of him.
That’s not self defence, that’s being borderline sociopathic
> But it never actually showed Kreese ever encouraging bullying, like ever
Miyagi confronts Kreese on the fact that his students ganged up on Daniel and he laughs it off and when Miyagi tells Kreese to make sure his students don’t bully Daniel he refuses. Miyagi has to appeal to his unhealthy obsession with winning in order to get him to agree.
He also instructs his students to illegally maim Daniel in an attempt to basically cheat to win and then he physically assaults his teenage student for losing with honor and despite his best efforts, showing sportsmanship to Daniel. He attacks his student for actually doing something good despite his best efforts
Again, from CK's perspective: Daniel started shit by trying to pick a fight with Johnny, Johnny clearly outmatches him, Johnny hits him and gets sucker punched for his trouble of trying to help him up. Daniel then proceeds to harrass them.
Daniel is the problem.
It's a really weird underdog story but was kinda common in shit back then
Daniel is meant to be seen as the 'nerdy/quiet victim who is clearly outmatched and gets his 'victories' by tormenting the 'bullies'
That's one scene after the fricking weeks of shit of Daniel starting stuff with Johnny. When you literally are being bullied, beat up the bully and again it continues, you don't have much choice. Daniel is the problem in the movie. He deserved that beating at that time. If it was before him literally picking multiple fights and harrassing Johnny, I'd agree but at this point, he deserved it.
>daniel starts shit each time
>he's the victim
You were bullied, weren't you
>Daniel meets cute girl on the beach and flirts with her all day
>at night a group of guys on dirt bikes rides up
>one guy is aggressively saying “let me talk to you!” while she says to leave her alone
>he breaks her radio in rage
>Daniel picks up the radio and the other guy aggressively takes it from him
>he then shoves Daniel to the ground and starts yelling at his ex again who clearly does not want to talk to him
Johnny was clearly a bully who started shit and this is due to his karate teacher filling his head with miserable bullshit.
We all saw the YouTube video because you’re being moronic
Johnny was a hothead but he wasn't there to fight Danny and wasn't going to hurt anyone. Violence breeds violence.
Danny should've apologized
> Violence breeds violence.
Yeah, like breaking someone radio in a yard rage because they said they don’t want to talk to you and then shoving someone to the ground when he tries to calm to situation
And then continues to calm the situation by not attacking the sociopathic midget who clearly wants to impress the girl you're dating
Johnny is honestly flawless in the first movie
Problem is, morons who got bullied in high school for being homosexuals see Daniel as the hero
>Johnny is honestly flawless in the first movie
Johnny's a creme puff. Bleeds on contact. Plus in the beach scene, he DID show mercy, and that got him a bloody nose.
Okinawa revenge porn.
Because he was an evil, lying, psychopath that did lots of villainous things you neglected to mention in your OP.
Why did miguel become a chonker in season 3 onwards bros? He was ducking 18 during filming but gained like 15lbs
latinx genetics. they are evolutionary selected for survival in starvation periods, but this fricks them up in a high calory environment like the modern usa.
i wish that johnny and kreese would have actually just jointly run cobra kai. instead they needed to make kreese villain of the season. for once, they should have just made that position an original character.
it would have been a wholesome happy end to see all the senseis overcome their differences, finding a sensible compromise of their different ideologies and working together in the dojo.
I Genuinely loved Cobra Kai. I had a big dumb smile on my face for most of it.
Me too, I think it floundered a bit in S5 just with all the Kenny shit but season 6 being the last one looks promising
I also thought miguel and Robby making up was slightly forced but overall still solid
I still think S4 is the strongest
One more season bros 🙁
Oona who plays Devon is now 18
I'm hoping the gay plot this season is Piper/Devon in an hour long lesbian sex scene that gets interrupted halfway through by Kim and Tory and they all take turns dominating Devon
>I still think S4 is the strongest
The show was never as good after the first season.
Was his nude leak photoshopped? They dumped it in with Moon's leaks.
Why the frick did they delete my shirtless Miguel you gay mods
And yes, idk if you see anything but her going down on him tho
>Why the frick did they delete my shirtless Miguel you gay mods
Because this thread is ramping up. I can just feel a goon coming on!
That means no shirtless twinks. And more Yaz!
Because between the movie and Kobra Kai it's clear that his method of teaching, despite all his talk about military style discipline, fails to turn his students into anything other than rowdies and hooligans.
my cum on her feet
>Moon
I don't think we're gonna make it bro. This is the one Cobra Kai thread that they'd rather talk philosophy and meaning and not goon.
My favorite Karate Kid is 3 btw. I just love seeing Daniel get owned.
There's a legit gay ITT posting Cobra Kai boys naked and some redditor is arguing with him. Ignore it.
Cinemaphile will always be home to Goonies
Frick prostitutes! Would you fight for her honor?
id show that slanted pussy NO MERCY
>enjoying used up walled prostitutes
well ok
I don't see you doing any better?
Go argue with your anon boyfriend about who was the toughest student at the dojo. Or b***h about fake martial arts.
Ok so you trolling has what to do with your point that you like walled, used up prostitutes?
The Cobra Kai casting director is Dan Schneider for mommys
>enjoying used up walled prostitutes
Same reason i buy used cars by the cash, because i get to frick them up and not worry breaking them even more. Of course im not gonna break it purposely, only when needed and i have no regret when i do.
>no elisabeth shue
gay
gay
Shue cheated on Daniel with a UCLA linebacker (black)
I knew she was a race traitor. Johnny secretly knew too.
Johnny is a race traitor
I should get around to watching S5 to avoid more spoilers but I got bored with the show. It started good but the formula went stale
S5 tries to get things on track but like... it's so fricking shit and has the lowest points
It also has no real plot line that carries through beyond 'Silver is here'
>Cinemaphile always cries about how everything is a subversion now and everything is relying on revivals and remakes of old material
>loves a subversion to a 30 year old movie series
kek
Maybe the real subersion was the friends we made along the way
>why aren't you fapping
because none of you are posting Devon, the only decent girl
Nah, Kenny was based
He shits all over the daniel gays since his story more or less mirrors Daniel in KK1
Right down to the magical silver bullet = crane kick
The secret esoteric art of punching someone in the chest? The show went full moron. Him bullying Danies kid, fair enough, silver taking him under his wing, fair enough, him destroying hawk, the current champ who has consistently been shown as one of the top 3 fighters for the entire show, when he had frick all training and was half his size, ruined the show.
I agree.
>trolling
Bro I've forgotten more about Karate then you'll ever learn. The OG movie turned me into an alpha and I've beaten the frick out of dudes who look at me sideways. You would be no different irl.
>You would be no different irl.
the funny thing about miyagi is he never fought anyone who took him seriously
He also hit with the force of a wet paper back in every scene he 'fought in'
He's just epitome of 'le magical froeign master' that the western movies worshipped in the 80s
If anyone took him seriously, they'd fgucking curb stomp him. He's like the size of daniel but can barely move more than two steps at best. Not once do we see him training
Also technically, because Daniel is the best fighterm it'll be the 'new' version of Daniel just below him Kenny
Kreese, silver, dugan, chozen and his gang all tried to fight him.
And never took him seriously, except Chozen but the lesson was 'balance because mystical japanese man'
Also KK4 is officially not canon according to writers, along with Chan's version
>along with Chan's version
That was obviously a reboot. You're making yourself seem stupider with every post. I'm still waiting for how the movies aren't canon.
>too moronic to back up your claims
>too egotistical to admit you're moronic
>trolling again
>He's just epitome of 'le magical froeign master' that the western movies worshipped in the 80s
Thats because before MMA mainstreamed martial arts eastern they were still seen as this semi-mystical thing.
Watch any karate movie made before around 95 or so, and they all make martial arts semi border-line magical.
We can probably blame Bruce Lee for starting that trend, then when MMA become popular the mystery disappeared.
I wonder if Bruce Lee was ever as good as people claim. We've never seen him fight in a tournament. It was always in the movies.
Because he was an actor.
...
Yes, anon. I know this. Thank you for expanding upon my point
NGL, if I had no self-esteem I'd do the same
>self-esteem
If you have, you wouldn't be here, brother.
I thought it was because there were so many martial arts and action movies in the 60s-70s-80s, KK emphasized the philosophy part for a change of pace
>hijo afortunado
jaja
a daring synthesis between dbz hispanics and cobra kai
idiot
He abandoned Rambo. He's scum.
That was his twin brother. Didn't you watch Cobra Kai Season 3?
His twin died in Nam
Basically, an anime movie when the "average" dude but with a good hearts beats the baddies who trained for years. You even have the baddie with honor and the crazy one
the other problem is that daniel is a lying piece of shit
>starts the fight
>mr miyagi always said, avoid fighting
>except like when it's against the kids you're harrassing for months, then you strike first kek
Like the dude and miyagi were straight up psychos in the first movie
Miyagi was a stern but fair, successful father substitute for Daniel.
Kreese was a psycho, loser father substitute for Johnny.
It can be seen as they are mirror images of the same character with both being war vets (one won a war and the other lost a war), both are single adult males without any children, both live by their own philosophy, and so on...
Haven't watched since S2. I really should.
In the context of the events portrayed in "The Karate Kid" (1984), John Kreese's actions don't explicitly cross into illegal territory within the confines of the story. While his behavior is aggressive, manipulative, and morally questionable, there isn't a clear depiction of him committing a criminal act within the film. However, some of his actions could be considered borderline or potentially actionable, such as his encouragement of unsportsmanlike conduct during the karate tournament. But in terms of definitive illegal activities, the film doesn't provide concrete evidence of Kreese engaging in such behavior.