>Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav met with Paramount Global CEO Bob Bakish on Tuesday in New York City to discuss a possible merger, Axios has learned from multiple sources.
>Zaslav also has spoken to Shari Redstone, who owns Paramount's parent company, about a deal.
>The duo discussed ways their companies could compliment one another. For example, each company's main streaming service — Paramount+ and Max — could merge to better rival Netflix and Disney+.
>It's unclear whether WBD would buy Paramount Global or its parent company, National Amusements Inc. (NAI), but a source familiar with the situation says that both options are on the table.
>WBD is said to have hired bankers to explore the deal.
More at the link: https://www.axios.com/2023/12/20/warner-bros-paramount-merger-discovery-streaming
When the frick are the monopoly laws gonna kick in already?
Good one. Soon Disney will own DC and Marvel.
>Correction
Soon Apple will own Disney, DC and Marvel.
I see you're a Disney shill from the pre-COVID era
Why do anons here act like Multimedia isn't one of the most diverse industries?
Pepsi and Cola rape the competition and no one complains , it's actually rare for an industry to have 6 big companies, most have 3 and a big gap between the rest
We’re down to 5 big companies as opposed to 14 in 1980.
Because Pepsi and Coke are just sugar drinks that are barely distinguishable from each other so no one cares.
If all media gets monopolized than it's easier for them to do dumb shit like fill every movie with unentertaining propaganda and you don't really have much choice when your family begs you to go out for a movie and all there is to see is "Black Frozen: Trans Rights are Human Rights" or whatever.
Competition is good. It gives companies incentive to produce better products. That's why stuff like high school cafeteria food is so garbage because they don't have any competition.
My school cafeteria had home-cooking quality but the servings were ridiculously small
>just accepting the propaganda is less lazy than questioning it
Nah.
I don't care if the propaganda is pushing a left agenda, a right agenda, or espousing the glory of our Glorious Leader in Best Korea. Media trying to push an agenda on you is bad. How the frick are people so mind-broken they start arguing against "propaganda is bad".
Because they're in on the koolaid and want you neutralised.
>I don't care if the propaganda is pushing a left agenda, a right agenda,
Yes you fricking do kek
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The point is you shouldn't want ANY type of agenda shoved in your face. Look at pic-related glorifying Hillary Clinton.
If you did this same scene replacing Hillary with Trump, Biden, etc. it'd still be cringe as frick.
It's like if you watch a Simpsons episode and Marge turns to some random celebrity and goes "SIX TIME SUPER BOWL CHAMPION AND QUARTERBACK OF THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS TOM BRADY!" It comes off fricking stupid. I don't give a frick about Tom Brady. I don't give a frick about George Clooney either but at least his contribution to South Park was just him barking as a dog and not bringing any attention to his celebrity.
>i don't care about a left agenda or a right agenda
>blathering about Hilary Clinton like a barnyard animal
What happened to not caring?
Square-Enix
>this moron can't read past two sentences
>Square-Enix
Well Square Enix is hinting that Classic Star Wars is going to become a world in Kingdom Hearts. So yeah these large acquisitions and mergers do help some companies. The real question is, I wonder if these other companies like Discovery and Universal will seek Japanese gaming developers like Capcom, Konami, Sega, etc to do their own Kingdom Hearts knock off? You know they are tempted to do it.
>entering the world of Disney animation
>just a bunch of unrelated properties
>Easier
There's nothing stopping them from doing that right now, Hollywood as a collective is a soft hedgemony and has been for decades. Not that I want all companies to form a single conglomerate, but this move basically doesn't change anyone's policies, it just means Paramount plus shows will be on HBO Max.
In any case this is just the gasp of a dying industry, WBD wouldn't be desperate to swallow one of their primary competitors if their business was going swimmingly, and Paramount is barely doing better than they are. With any luck they'll all collapse in our lifetime, this announcement just saves their stock price for the next year
I see what you are saying and agree with a lot of it. These companies get a "too big too fail" mindset and get stubborn in their ways.
After all who can imagine a world with no Mickey Mouse? No McDonald's? No NFL football? But society changes and it becomes difficult for a boomer generation in charge of such companies that grew up as children watching TV every night (and still doing it decades into old age) to realize most children nowadays might rather watch silly TikTok vids on their phones made by a random nobody than their fancy CGI spectacles with million dollar budgets.
>In any case this is just the gasp of a dying industry
none of this shit would be happening if it weren't for the streaming wars.
the main reason warner merged with discovery was to create the new hbo max. the old hbo max was suffering from subscriber churn since the flow of new content was small (it was all premium content that they had to spread out). they realized that netflix had a similar problem but solved it by releasing cheap reality shows in-between their big releases. discovery is all cheap reality-tv so it made for a perfect way to keep hbo max subscribers.
You have a shitty school district son, explains your idiocy. Not enough nutrients when your brain was developing. We had decent food as well, just like this anon
So glad I convinced my familty that movies are lame and gay now. It was pretty easy to do since it is true.
Frick off commie
Are you joking right now?
Communism is like the opposite of competition which is part of why it's so garbage. The communist food line gives you a shitty ration of food there's not much you can do. The prison cafeteria gives you a shitty dinner there's not much you can do.
Competition also doesnt lead to better quality. There is the myth that "voting for your dollar" leads to better productsw for consumers but in practice it leads to designed oboslescene (like with light bulbs) price fixing (like with the tectopus) and "reverse arms races" where the companies know they can offer lower quality stuff because there is no alternative.
And when you do get this "competition" ist stuff like Amazon driving competitors out of business due to getting constant investment funds, then once the business closes pumping up the prices.
A far better system would be to allow indiepent business to exist but constantly slap their shit in when they get out of line.
Rigth now we have a status quo were company spreadsheets literally calculate how many people they can let die because the fines for the bodies are cheaper than the money they save by not installing gaurdrails or the like.
Just look at the rail industry, US trains are miles of death traps waiting to happen.
I do not claim capitalism is perfect. Just talking about it in relation to the alternatives. Trust me there is a lot about current capitalist systems that piss me off.
>A far better system would be to allow indiepent business to exist but constantly slap their shit in when they get out of line.
Yeah but then you end up needing to figure out how to make sure the people in charge of such decisions aren't just getting paid off by said companies. I mean look at the US and you'll often see
>chairman on the board of health regulations = former Pfizer employee
>chairman on the board regulating corn = former CEO of Corn, Inc.
etc.
It's kind of the issue of the american Political system being so cliquey
It's a system that pretty much needs to be broken down every 25 years to make sure the bureaucracy doesn't get too small
Saddest thing is that the same is happening to Europe with all the "third way" Centrist aping american economic policies
It doesn't help that America has one federal branch headed by a single person.
>Following President Trump's election, there were around 4,000 political appointment positions which the incoming Trump administration needed to review, and fill or confirm, of which 1,212 required Senate confirmation.
>Following his election victory in 2020, U.S. president Joe Biden had 4,000 political appointments to make to the federal government.
It's unmanageable. You could have the most kind hearted well-meaning person imaginable. You could have Mr Rogers going in adamant he's going to do his absolute best to have no corruption.
There's no way he's going to be able to properly vet 4,000 political appointees properly so they won't be corrupt while heading into an already bloated and corrupt system full of scheming establishment politicians.
Hyperlocalization is the key. I think the most realistic and helpful version of the USA that is achievable within most people's lifetimes is a de facto federation of countless communes.
I to wish for Karen from the HOA or the county dipshit who can be bought for one company’s pocket change to dictate how things go x uncountable patchwork of communes.
HOA's arent really communes they are more or less dictatorships run by real estate business disguised as associations. I am talking about straight up divestment, so something more like planned communities.
Jimmy Carter is what you get when you elect Rogers
>Yeah but then you end up needing to figure out how to make sure the people in charge of such decisions aren't just getting paid off by said companies. I mean look at the US and you'll often see
Shit slapping all the way down is the ideal solution to that.
Though so many systems are so crooked that they resist all attempts to change them. I think a better more realistic solution is divestment.
For people to take whatever resources they have, band together and fulfill their needs while buying into societal frickshit the last amount as possible.
This would vary for people based on their capabilities and communities but some examples would be
>Growing your own food and exchanging it with neighbors whenever possible instead of buying food from grocery and restaurant chains
>Pirating as much media as possible to avoid financing big media
>Resolving conflict with community accountability and support rather than calling police (ESPECIALLY effective with Domestic Violence)
>Starting mutual aide funds for the impoverished and unhoused among you
Over time with enough support you would have a network of these little sub societies, that would continue to grow and develop until in the long term they are able to either fully divest from the current system or, more radically, actively challenge it.
TLDR: Keep the government and big business out of your life as much as is reasonable for you.
>
>Resolving conflict with community accountability and support rather than calling police (ESPECIALLY effective with Domestic Violence)
Anon...this is only the case in "liberal" western countries
If a girl is in india or even Latin America she's better off calling the cops instead of getting victim blamed by the "community"
You think cops in the global south are LESS dangerous to people?
Capitalism isn't the problem, the corpocracy is the problem
Capitalism has never existed without corpocracy. It's like saying "AIDS is fine, its HIV that's the issue."
I don't see how the Miller bros. Company of ancient Rome are comparable to one corporation owning half of fast food.
Because the mass accumulation of wealth will always create oligarchal systems where whoever has that wealth has cast control over everyone who doesn't, Europe used to be ruled by nobility in golden castles now it is ruled by multi-billionaires in giant mansions. It is impossible for the ultrawealthy to not rule everyone else because that is by definition what being wealthy means.
>Europe used to be ruled by nobility in golden castles
Is this that "dark ages" mentality I hear about so often?
Metaphorically golden castles, as in castle filled with gold and built on mass wealth. The "dark ages" are straight up a meme, an inaccurate statement.
My point is that there has never once even a capitalistic society in human history that wasn't oligarchal because the accumulation of mass wealth by individuals is by definition oligarchal.
So where's the ideal? Hunter-gatherers? Does the collection of grain count as oligarchy?
Sharing of resources scaled by the size of the society in question. I suggest reading 'The Dawn of Everything" its a great book about the development of social systems. Oligarchal-Capital systems aren't the only way to organize a post-agricultural society and for most of history they weren't. It just so happened by the luck of the draw those type of societies came to slowly dominate the planet but nothing about that was inherently inevitable.
I think the Mi'kmaq system for example would work pretty well, if anything our modern technology would make it easier to operate, not harder.
Check out "Jesuit Relations of New France"
https://rla.unc.edu/Louisiane/jesuit.html
good stuff.
(In English terms you could compare this to something like Voluntaryism)
In fact, there is strong evidence that our modern capital system is mechanically speaking the systems of primitive communism but with an oligarchal veneer overlaid onto it. You can strip off the veneer and the core would still function.
>Because Pepsi and Coke are just sugar drinks that are barely distinguishable from each other so no one cares
No they're not
The problem is that we used to have seven major film studios. We're down to 5 now, after Disney ate Fox. If WB is allowed to eat Paramount, the combined company will literally count as 1/3 of the entire entertainment industry.
Public school food usually is competitive. The problem is it follows capitalism and contracts are won by the lowest bidder.
Guess where the winners make cuts?
Dumbfrick here. Lets keep this shit Cinemaphile. So, whats at stake here?
WB has DC. the looney tunes, Cartoon network,
Paramount has star trek cartoons. Nick, TMNT, spongebob,
We still have more than two channels.
Why would they keep CN and Nick?
Decide which one dies
If this were another country, they would be force to sell one of them
Nick will lose Teenick, Nicktoons, NickToo or whatever they’re calling it these days.
But both CN and Nickelodeon itself will remain.
I assume TVLand and Boomerang will remain too.
Expect Nick to has less new Cartoons and more live action fair, while all animated stuff flows to CN.
Nicktoons is the bigger IP, people here prefer CN but SpongeBob tips the scales too much
Nick has too many channels and theme parks to shutter for WB. CN is literally being killed by Zaslav no way it is not getting absorbed
The Live Action stuff and SpongeBob tip the scales
Current Cartoon network is a joke, literally the only reason why people don't want it dead is because of 20 years old cartoons or AT/Regular Show/Steven Universe , Craig of the Creek is an insect compared to Loud House and SpongeBob, nevermind the Live Action stuff
The big one is Nick Jr. Nick Jr prints money compared to the entire CN brand, it’s the reason cartoonito even exists and that’s a joke by comparison.
Paw patrol is the Huge cash cow. I don't know how much value "Nick Jr" itself holds.
Although I question the value of any of the literal channels. I see a world in which "Nicktoons" "Nick Jr" and "Cartoon Network" are just brand names imprints the way Disney treats "Marvel" and "Star Wars."
Like this year Disney Channel Original Movies changed names to "Disney Channel Original Movies." In a post cable world the literal Disney Channel brand doesn't hole pull with kids . But the word "Disney" does.
Toonami and Adult Swim both skew older so i can see them staying on linear tv for a while.
Cartoon Network I think lives on but just as a studio branding like Lucasfilm same with Nicktoons.
If this fusion goes through the way i see it, the unified Streaming app will have a "younger kids" page that has Paw Patrol, Spongebob and most of the Nick Jr stuff as well as any CN stuff that fits that bucket .
Then CN becomes a page for the older kids and early teens for most of the other stuff.
Toonami would be a page for action cartoons and anime and anime inspired stuff.
MTV gets a page for MTV stuff and VH1 stuff.
DC gets its own subpage
So does TMNT.
For linear I think adult Swim stays, and Cartoon Network becomes almost a rump channel. And that status quo will live on until cable finally starts dying off for real.
Nickelodean stays. I don't think Nicktoons stays.
I don't think teennick stays either.
MTV stays but the spinoff channels are likely to be trimmed back. Probabaly just it and VH1
The value is in the name.
Nicktoons holds a very strong identity, just like how “Nickelodeon” has been synonymous with kids entertainment since the 1970’s. Nick Jr, through stuff like paw patrol, Dora, Peppa pig, blue’s clues, Bubble Guppies, and shimmer and shine has become an institution in households world wide, and does especially well on YouTube. Noggin/Nick Jr does more for education than Disney Junior does, and unlike Disney, Nick keeps shows running longer than 4 seasons leading to massive content libraries.
Having the name “Nick Jr” on a show for kids distinguishes it from a lot of the shlock for small kids, an issue Netflix and Amazon have been suffering from in this market. It’s hard to see when you’re not a parent, but Nick Jr is a really big deal and likely the reason Nick is even still around outside of SpongeBob.
Cartoon Network has a branding problem and isn’t a very valuable name these days, but Adult Swim does have a unique identity and it IS a very valuable brand as a result. Adult Swim built itself on small budget but hyper experimental shows that may range in quality, but always kept the channel interesting and the brand Alive. They’ve been faltering a bit under discovery, but the brand is far from damaged.
There’s real potential for a company that has the brand power of Nick Jr and Adult swim to dominate the two largest markets, 0-6 and 18-35
Thanks for the clarification.
So yes to summarize
>Max+ Pages
Nick Jr
Nick
Cartoon Network
Toonami
Adult Swim
TMNT
DC
Discovery
30 Day Universe
MTV
>Linear
Nick/Nick Jr
Cartoon Network/Adult Swim
Discovery
MTV
VH1( Probabaly going to be phased out)
Make one of them all kids shit, the other one all adult swim, older kids shit. Or make one boys tilted the other girls titled..
That sounds more like a shitposter rather than a lying moron.
This anon
is ALSO a giant shiposter, who's either too dumb to not promote blatant garbage, or was in on it to begin with, and is clearly trying to derail the thread with trash.
It's like a and photo copy.
lifeld makes a vague tweet, some blogger writes a 600 word rant about it, then it gets posted to Cinemaphile with a an even more sensationalist headline. it even has an OP with the words in it for easy reposting in threads.
Shits like an infection
That McDonald's toy division stuff doesn't work anymore. Hell it's what got YJ and Tower Prep canceled.
The hardest challenge for kids cable brands coming up is how kids watch less and less cable.
There is a universe where the nicktoons YouTube channel makes more money than Nickelodeon does on tv.
I think CN has always been the better network but Nickelodeon is more diversified and has more of a "brand" feeling in the eyes of boomer executives (mostly because of the success of Schneidershit) so that's probably the one that lives.
They'd keep the Nick branding since it's arguably the bigger brand, but dump all their cartoons on it.
Maybe rebrand Comedy Central into an Adult Swim channel
A Garfield show on adult swim would be kink as frick.
But also, mixing avatar studios with the anime stuff adult swim makes could in theory create a true western anime studio as AS is more experienced with that than the avatar studio that has yet to release a project
And all AS has released is shit.
There is no such thing as western anime. You will never be Japanese
>Space Dandy was shit
moron alert
>dumbfrick doesn’t even know what he is talking about
Adult Swim has zero to do with the production of Space Dandy. They bought the right to world premier it in English, nothing more nothing less. And the only reason Japan even agreed to that deal is because Space Dandy was projected to flop in Japan (which it did). Here is the list of original anime to come from AS
>Big O season 2
>Ghost in the Shell season 2
18 year time gap
>FLCL: Progressive
>FLCL: Alternative
>Fena: Pirate Princess
>Blade Runner - Black Lotus
>Shenmue: The Animation
>Housing Complex C
>FLCL: Grunge
>FLCL: Shoegaze
>Rick and Morty: The Anime (slated for next year)
>Uzumaki (gets delayed every year and likely will never release)
Cringe post. kys.
RULES FOR THEE BUT NOT FOR ME
You should have already learned that monopoly laws don't exist anymore when Microsoft was allowed to buy Activision wholesale.
>Microsoft was allowed to buy Activision wholesale.
Wrong.
> monopoly laws gonna kick in already
American politicians dont trigger antitrust against real monopolies like Apple , Google, and Amazon. Mid size businesses should not legally be allowed to grow too big.
>Wrong.
The thing is, morons like him will never understand that Disney's and Microsoft's transactions were allowed to happen because each country's market regulators approved it to happen. Both companies also had to divest in specific areas just to gain approval. It's not at all like a video game where the protagonist can just offer up briefcases full of cold hard cash and expect every shareholder to approve.
Im pretty sure they need approval of the regulator only in the states , considering both companies are US-based.
They needed approval from all countries because MS operates in all of those nations. Stop being a Cinemaphile level megatard.
>"well the debt became too big, what we do?"
And so the story repeats itself.
people cares about monopoly only if Disney or Apple are involved, otherwise you have drone answers like "we still have more than two channels"
Apple's devices are everywhere. Microsoft has never stopped to spread since its creation. Disney buying Fox was the world's biggest animation studio buying the world's biggest movie studio.
This... this is the merge of losers. No one cares.
The endgame of this is every channel merging back together like cable. It'll be Netflix vs Disney/WB/Etc for a few years until Netflix runs out of funding.
the current FTC is a joke
If this happens, dear god.
Hahaha, no. Disney can frankly buy DC comics if they limit production of new comic books unironically. They do not care with dying industries.
Never
damn
When the Micronova comes in 2045.
damn
>Nick and CN becoming one
what a crazy world this has become, I want off this ride
Same
Call it WarnerMount
CN and Nick and DC and TMNT are gonna be under one roof bros
Since we've had Batman and TMNT, now lets do Green Arrow and TMNT.
>Ninja Turtles being part of DC
I'm not opposed to that
>CN and Nick and DC and TMNT are gonna be under one roof bros
Bring on the Aquaman/Mermaid Man team up comics.
Warner's Mount
I though Mr. Pouches I-Invented-Deadpool said DC would be killed in 2024.
And hasn't some anon been saying that Warner Brothers would be bankrupt for the last two weeks?
Are these anons lying to us?
>Are these anons lying to us?
No. Lying is different from being a fricking moron.
Take a look at IDW. IDW realistically may be bankrupt next year. WB has loads of space to frick up.
Now the DIRECT market might collapse completely soon, but that's not the same as DC.
Nope, Anon clearly typed DC would be KILL in 2024 and the other anon has been repeating and posting his bankruptcy shit at least once per day for the past week plus.
So they are lying morons?
The article they linked, while also being bullshit didn't even SAY Liefield claimed that .
They just posted a link that didn't 404 and made up a rage baiting headline and got 400 (you)s out of it .
Anon...DC Comics is irrelevant to this deal. What they would bring in would be chump change compared to the value of the SpongeBob IP.
>implying that SpongeBob isn't as valuable as Batman or the Joker
get a grip.
Yes? Warner Discovery is currently negotiating three different major deals AT least. They've always been in a not good spot compared to pre-ATT buyout, but they've never been in danger of shutting down and the DC catalog is too important for Warner to kill the accounting blip that DC comics itself is.
Anyone who comes here with INSIDER INFO about DC comics being the central tentpole of Warner Bros Discovery is lying to you and you are a moron for even remembering it.
Cartoon Nickwork
So does that mean the enviable crossover will happen?
Also South Park and Beavisand Butthead finally airing on Adult Swim
It will end up like pick related
>Nickelodeon jobs out all of the CN stuff to make themselves look better and it ends with Tommy Pickles winning the feud for Nickelodeon by defeating CN's champion and star, Rocko
Oh. Daria would fit in prefect on Adult Swim. Not all of AS shows are raunchy blood and violence.
We would absolutely without a doubt get Daria with the OG music on Adult Swim.
>with the OG music
>AS paying out for all those licenses
Lmao you are deluded
Adult Swim can’t even afford the rights to ONE song for more than a month, as we see with the yearly Rick and Morty promos starting with a licensed song and then after a month swapping to a generic track
Venture Bros had to BEG for AS to pony up for the rights for a minor club hit. They aren't going to bother going into the music rights for a 25 year old MTV series.
Can't wait for Lower Decks to get two complete seasons sent to the memory hole as a tax write off.
>killing horrible adult animation
wtf I love Zaslav now
There's going to be one massive IP estate sale after they go under.
Alright Cinemaphile please your bets—
Which Nick shows will he write off for taxes?
Everything except SpongeBob and The Loud House.
Unless they just straight up dissolve CN or Nick into the other. I'd bet Nick would survive in that case as it has a stronger brand identity.
He won’t write off a decent bit of the 2000s stuff and all the 90s stuff, way too marketable
The way the write offs work is they have to be completed works that have not been released, so you can write down the cost of making them as loss. You can't write down something that stopped airing years ago.
People keep confusing stuff being cancelled due to Zazlav being cheap (infinity train) with write downs (Coyote v Acme)
I'm worried The Loud House is exactly what he'd write off because it's the second fiddle for Nick and I'm sure he'd rather a WB property take that position.
I’m concerned about ‘Craig of the Creek’.
good, tlh went on for way too long.
Harvey Beaks and It's Pony
Nick will just become a 24/7 Spongebob channel in the near future. People have been claiming that for 16 years, but it might finally happen.
that new Rock, Paper, Scissors cartoon is NOT making it to air
We will be spared the gay space rhino? Could be worse
Ive seen a few episodes of Rock Paper Scissors, it's not that bad. It's pretty inoffensive and is just a decent good time. Unless you're insanely sensitive like
If it gets cancelled quickly like everything else these days I'll only be a little bit sad.
Glitch Techs is gonna die and finally the fans will get an answer
>Aang and TNMT in the DCU
YES YES YES YES YES
Shit I forgot about Atla. Warners has been desperate for a big franchise IP, I can see Avatar Studios getting a lot of investment if this goes through.
>Avatar x TMNT x RWBY x Justice League
>Avatar x RWBY
Finally, the battle of fake anime.
>Earth Avatar Series premier on Toonami
Both Avatar?
Imagine if Disney then buys Warmount...
>Avatar vs Avatar vs TNMT vs Batman vs Danny Phantom vs Spider-man...
>vs Gandalf the Gray and Gandalf the white
>Cross Tag Battle 2
The Anarchosyndcalist in me recognizes this is an evil monopolization of wealth and reasources and will be a met negative for art and the world.
The consumerist 14 year old need boy in me is excited about the Ninja Turtles being in the DC universe.
Batman meets Garfield
Instant Billion right there
not even scooby doo meets garfield? come on think smarter not harder.
... Ugh... Gross. I mean, it really is gross, isn't it? The Disney/FOX merger was bad, most of FOX's planned projects were cancelled in favor of making more Star Wars and Marvel bullshit that ended up declining. All that is left of FOX are just the IPs that originated with them and those are clearly a lower priority. If this happens, then it'll just be the same shit, it's really terrifying to think these companies are just going to eat each other like this rather than grow. How sad is it to think that five years ago, Hollywood had six major studios and now we're looking at the possibility of there only being four? You'd at least hope the smaller ones would grow to fill the power gap but they just aren't, if anything they end up subjected to mergers as well.
As for how this would affect anything Cinemaphile related?... I guess DC would be the publisher of TMNT and Garfield? The Avatar projects would be canned?
>This image could be officially canon by next year.
Is that Numbuh One or did Grant Morrison sneak back into a fictionsuit again
The KND creator is a bit comic and Pokemon need (was literally in message boards asking people to vote for the pilot)
it wouldn't surprise me if Numbuh One was a conscious King Mob/Spider Jerusalem reference.
So yes Numbuh One might actually be another Grant Morrison fiction suit.
Reminder there was that whole episode that was a deliberate homage to The Second Renaissance from The Animatrix so I buy it.
Daria has always felt so out of place here.
This, she's not even smart, just sarcastic and dour.
Man, being a Star Trek fan is pure suffering. You thought Paramount mishandled the franchise? Now it'll be in the hands of frickin' Warner.
WB needs their Star Wars killer
Literally doing noting at all is a Star Wars killer. Disney fricking sucked at handling it.
Yes but it's WB we're talking about
The tv shows are ok
Are they really tho? Besides Andor.
Star Trek, even if it was good right now, is never going to be that.
The best chance Trek had for mainstream success was Tarantino's movie, but that's no longer happening.
>The best chance Trek had for mainstream success was Tarantino's movie, but that's no longer happening.
He just wanted to make an R-rated feature length version of the episode where they go to the gangster planet. I really doubt it would've made *Star Trek* as an IP a mainstream success.
R rated blockbusters are big right now.
I’m okay with this if it means the Kurtzman-Goldsman-McMahan cabal will suffer.
...huh. Star Trek Discovery's final season becoming a tax write-off is possible, isn't it?
>XJ9 and Danny Phantom on the Teen Titans
>Nicktoons showing up on Checked Past
>Kappa Mikey on Toonami
>Brawlhala vs All Star Brawl Game of the Year 2027
>caring at all about modern CN/Nick
This shit will be 9/11 for the ANIMATION IS CINEMA crowd.
Paramount and Warner barely make any animated movies anyway. It won't affect their Disnar IllumiWorks onions garbage at all.
... but why? what do WBD and Paramount have that the other needs?
WBD has been talking about offloading it's shit since it formed. From a certain point of view the entire POINT of WBD was to form a company attractive enough to offload as soon as possible
Paramount hasba pretty complicated ownership structure but Shari Redstone was talking about selling off her stake about a week ago
This is bullshit that YT idiots promoted since day one. While the DISCO suits might sell or spin off something, the only companies who could afford Warner Media are Apple, who isn't interested in the entire thing and Amazon, which now that it owns MGM can parlay that and Amazon Studios for it's own needs and doesn't need the headaches and crap related to everything else that would come with owning another studio much less Warner Media.
The people that keep mouthing off about Disney buying stuff are too stupid to live and not worth wasting time typing out a reply about as they have no concept of how things work with anti-trust or IRL business.
>monopoly laws
Paramount isn't going to be a simple straight merger. More than likely the Justice Department would allow merging streaming service, which is what Paramount wants out of that. The production assets, both TV and movie studio itself would probably need to be sold and combined with someone else who doesn't have their own antitrust problems (so not Disney OR Universal); it would be logical and benefit Lionsgate and possibly appeal to Sony but might make more sense to split with Sony or Lionsgate and let MGM/Amazon picks up the studio but Bezos might not want to pay without getting access to the Paramount library which Zaslav wouldn't be stupid enough to part with it - at least not without a co-exclusivity agreement like he has been making with Netflix.
>third or fourth merger WB has been involved with just in the last half-decade
>Yea.
AT&T was a merger. The agreement with DISCO was a joint venture of a particular tax type and nothing can be done until May of 2024.
Also Paramount will sell off other parts of itself making whatever deal happens - if it happens - cheaper:
https://deadline.com/2023/12/bet-byron-allen-paramount-global-1235679148/
HAHAHAHA
frick cyberpunk just might becone reality
The Netflix Avatar shows will be tax write-offs too
Zaslav buys Cinemaphile from Hiro
im gonna laugh my ass off when Netflix just buys them both
This would be, what, the third or fourth merger WB has been involved with just in the last half-decade, right?
Plus aren't they incredibly saddled with debt BECAUSE of those mergers? How are they buying anything right now?
And yes, I know the answer is modern economics is smoke and mirrors but come one.
>This would be, what, the third or fourth merger WB has been involved with just in the last half-decade, right?
Yea.
>Plus aren't they incredibly saddled with debt BECAUSE of those mergers? How are they buying anything right now?
No idea but this is going to blow up in Paramount’s and WB’s faces. Again.
WB failed mergers:
>Atari
>Six Flags
>AOL
>Timelife communications
>AT&T
>Discovery(ain’t looking too hot)
WB has been merging since the 1980’s and each one has been a disaster. They’re all but cursed when it comes to this
Why? WB almost killed AT&T and Discovery with its debt. Why would you want to attach themselves to it?
Is WBD doing well, or Paramount, or are they both doing shit? I can't imagine adding even more parts to this corporate chimera will fix the fundamental problems they have.
Paramount is doing even worse than Warner but they are discreet about it.
>Overshadowed by SpongeBob
What else is new?
Holy frick, WB is like a tumor that keeps spreading. Keep Paramount away from this.
I don't get why they just gut Warner for IPs. Paramount could buy Batman and Looney Toons and leave everything else from Warner to rot and die.
No need to do that when you can just merge and spin off any assets you don't want.
I don't care unless we get official Lola x Sandy smut
>WB doesn't have enough money to release Coyote vs Acme
>but they DO have enough money to buy Paramount
you've gotta be kidding me
>>but they DO have enough money to buy-
This is not an acquisition.
The article specifies that Warner would be the buyer.
I feel like this is going to fall through and lead to nothing.
Phineas?
>Sonic 3 gets shelved for tax purposes
GOOD
That would be a good thing
sad I wanted to see big rouge breasts at the movies
>inb3 we get Sonic vs Flash in Multiversus
>Denying family audiences the world over an opportunity to watch an eight year old girl be shot to death.
EVEN MORE REASON TO PIRATE EVERYTHING
>Nobody knows how the tard revolts of 2024 started. They only remember the weird blue hedgehog banners...
The streets would run red.
Too big to be shelved but definitely delayed for reshoots
Has any merger of this level ever benefited one of the companies, let alone both of them?
Are we counting Disney Pixar? That was technically a buyout but there was so much stock involved the owner of Pixar became lead shareholder of Disney
It isn't about benefitting the companies, it's about getting big fat paychecks for the C-suites and 'shareholders'.
yeah, that worked out SUPER well for HBO /s
So what Cinemaphile related stuff would this give WB from Paramount? I know Nickelodeon but anything else like any classic shorts?
Paramount owns some Fleischer cartoons that WB doesn't already have/that aren't in the public domain yet. I guess they'd get the Betty Boop library
>Nicktoons catalog (including ATLA, Spongebob, etc)
>TMNT
>Garfield
>Sonic, Halo & Hasbro IP licenses
>whatever Fleischer cartoon short that has yet to fall into the public domain
>Terrytoons catalog (Mighty Mouse, etc)
>MTV/Comedy Central adult animated show catalog (Beavis & Butthead, South Park, Daria, Liquid Television, Aeon Flux, Clone High, Drawn Together, etc)
It would've been cool to see Adult Swim re-air old MTV animated shows tbh. Maybe as a block alongside Checkered Past, or as part of Toonami. Really fits their mold.
Doesn't WB already have Clone High?
I think it's still a Viacom show just airing on Max
If I remember correctly, the rights for the original Clone High was split between Viacom, Nelvana, WB, and Buena Vista. There's a reason why it took 2 decades for a reboot to happen, and it's not just because of Ghandi.
Honestly Liquid Televison felt more Adult Swim/ Toonami esque than MTV. Aeon Flux and the Maxx especially.
>part of Toonami
Frick off, Toonami is for anime
A lot of Liquid Television fits Toonami a lot. Especially The Maxx and Aeon Flux. Remember Toonami also aired a lot of western superhero shows like Justice Leauge and even Fantastic Four (which fun fact, pissed off DC/Warners so much it eventually led to Young Justice getting made.)
Yea, 20 years ago when they were stuck on CN and most anime didn’t pass S&P. It’s a midnight block now and doesn’t need to dig for table scraps.
Plus, old content always bombs on Toonami anyway
Did you just call JLU table scraps?
That's too bad. I figured Warner would merge eventually but with Paramount? Aren't they in the same position debt-wise?
Courts will never let this happen. They were already iffy about the last Warner merger
>merges
>company still enters bankruptcy
These people are insane
They're too big to fail
Unironically nationalize these companies.
Mickey Mouse, Superman and Scooby Doo are cultural heritage that should belong to the people as a whole.
>They're too big to fail
They’re literally failing and before the news of this announcement analysts said WBD WILL be going bankrupt in 10 years and Paramount in 5 if they don’t sell shit off. This is just delaying their demise
The only way for American entertainment to compete with China’s state back forces is to become American Entertainment INC.
I doubt the rumor will be true, and if it is, WB will just drop everything to save itself from bankrupcy.
>they merge
>every paramount/viacom ip loses content and cancels upcoming projects
Cool!
Meanwhile, we get 10 more seasons of Velma and Fionna and Cake garbage
Fionna and Cake was good.
No it wasn't, it was bad just like most of AT was after season 3
I disagree with you.
You're a homosexual.
go outside.
Go frick yourself.
There may be a crash but the IP is eternal. Even if the companies go bankrupt someone will just buy them up and the cycle will continue.
Hopefully when they crash the bits and pieces are picked up by different owners so we don't have these big megacorps anymore.
It would be horrible if one fails just to get gobbled up by Disney or Apple or Amazon to the like
Most Japanese companies are gonna be safe, like Nintendo, Toho, Tsuburaya.
So are the TMNT gonna become a DC property like Shazam became one?
Probably not? Viacom paid big bucks to get the TMNT, and Playmates owns the rest of TMNT.
Viacom is owned by Paramount (Or rather what was at one point ViacobCBS was renamed Paramount for brand recognition)
Also the TMNT deal gave Keven the right to publish 12 issues of TMNT a year so I am not sure how that caries over if it gets sold off
But I don't have any source of them owning TMNT. Got a link?
Given that Sony fricked up Men in Black and lost James Bond and is essentially Jumanji and Spiderman now
Are we heading for a big three? Universal Disney and this new company
What the name of the company will be if this happens? Warner Paramount Discovery?
>What the name of the company will be if this happens? Warner Paramount Discovery?
Paramount Warner Discovery
PWD
Aka Puny White dick and it will be memed as so
The discovery name would be dropped, it’s the least valuable of the three
Warner Paramount should be ideal imo.
Woundn't it be ideal for Warner to just dissolve and let either Amazon or Apple to buy its assets without dealing with the headache of managing the actual company?
Honestly would be interesting to see Amazon buy the classic MGM movie library back from Warner.
I mean, Paramount is actually in worse trouble than Warner, so you are advocating for two companies to dissolve and have their IP given to Amazon
Wouldn't it make more sense for Universal to buy up WB (and Paramount)? Universal and WB have worked on many things together in the past, and I'm pretty sure they're not in the same rut that WB or Paramount are currently in.
By that point It would be Universal vs Disney for the Traditional market
And lawyers aren't gonna allow Universal to buy anything, Disney was ONLY allowed to buy fox so that Comcast wouldn't buy it
>But Microsoft
That's a completely different market
Oh yeah, Universal is Comcast, I forgot about that.
The big issue is the networks, by law you can only own one.
Disney has ABC
Universal has NBC
Paramount has CBS
Fox is now independent
That’s it, those are the 4.
Then there’s the stuff you can’t buy if you own the alternative.
Disney already has ABC news and ESPN so it couldn’t own Fox News and fox sports.
Warner Discovery has CNN, Which will create conflict with CBS, so likely CNN will have to go indie or be not included.
Paramount owns Showtime and Warner Disco owns HBO, which might cause an issue as both are major PPV sports broadcasters and in the premium movie network space
>he thinks monoply laws are applied
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
They are
Even Google barely won the case for buying YouTube
Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHOOoooo
>Even Google barely won the case for buying YouTube
But they DID win so?
>Woundn't it be ideal for Warner to just dissolve
Disney, WB and Paramount all have a lot of debt. A company can cease to exist and go into legit bankruptcy and discharge that debt that way, which ends up hosing a lot of people, including stock holders. Zaslav's millions are in DISCO and Warner Media stock, he's not going to hose his ass just because some Cinemaphile chuds are claiming that WB will be bankrupt tomorrow (or changing their goal posts, within ten years). And he's certainly not going to hose himself because some twitter b***h or some YouTube vloggers want to live their best lives on clicks.
Apple doesn't want to buy that much headaches or get into all that business. They might underwrite say a billion of the cost for unlimited non-exclusive access to say 10 different WB movies a month, and unlimited mutually co-exclusive access to some Paramount stuff, like Star Trek since they are becoming known for SciFi stuff.
Amazon owns MGM. It can easily buy a chain of theaters, which would be another good entry point for a Crapazom Locker location with regular and late night staffing, plus a good place to sell gift cards and electronics and other items during the holidays and even do pop-ups. THAT makes way more sense to Bezos and wouldn't cost either $10B much less $30B plus debt.
As the other anon responded, Universal can't buy Paramount unless they divested and sold CBS separately. WB can merge with them because they can sell stuff off to pay off debt (like BET and other cable channels like MTV and VH1) and they don't own any tv stations.
Universal is a big producer of tv shows and a movie studio. The feds won't allow a similar merger to the one that kept Fox TV and movie production intact when the sale happened to Disney. More than likely they will make them sell part of that to someone else.
Apple might be interested in that if Skydance wanted to buy with them and do the actual running (see Pixar under Jobs).
Based Universal coming out smelling like roses.
Who’s laughing at Peawiener now?
Who's even watching Peawiener?
Stop ban evading.
It won't get any better if there aren't any stronger laws written to replace the old ones.
More like investors are sick of Warner trying to catch a break when it couldn't save its own ass from the DCEU's and Max's failure and starting dragging down everything around it.
Nobody's watching Apple TV.
>>who’s even watching Peawiener?
Based Super Mario Bros movie fans, Five Nights At Freddy’s movie fans, M3gan fans,
>Super Mario Bros movie fans
Netflix
>Five Nights At Freddy’s movie fans
Even a FNAF fan's not going to subscribe to Peawiener for just one movie
>M3gan fans
Oddly specific, but her movie's on Prime too
>Who's even watching Peawiener?
WWE fans.
frick you severance is kino & pace, harris and mann carry foundation
>Woundn't it be ideal for Warner to just dissolve
It will. It's only a matter of time.
WBD has lost half its stock price since the merger. It is dying. And Paramount won't change that.
I prefer WMD. Wouldn't want to be anywhere near it when it finally explodes.
And Disney divested from everything related to Fox Sports and local news channels.
How the frick would the FCC not step in and stop it for being a monopoly?
Because the man appointed by TFG was nothing but a corporate shill who helped corporatize the internet by repealing neutrality rules.
Where's the monopoly, Mansley?
Hush, Wrong board. Adults are talking.
Obvious shill.
>no refutation
Ok, bye.
Frick off, then.
Warner Bros go five years without merging challenge (impossible)
Because this went SO well for Discovery when they bought WB.
It would be Warner bros interactive since they already make a ton of games, meaning it would likely be rocksteady games whether you like it or not
How the frick would the FCC not step in and stop it for being a monopoly? 6 years ago it was already shocking that the FCC didn't step in when Disney ate up Fox.
The FCC has nothing to do with monopolies would be my first guess
Nope
>https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/fccs-review-broadcast-ownership-rules
Especially in terms of Network TV which is where all the excess baggage is these days.
Reminder Sony games like TLOU 2 and Horizon Zero Dawn 2 cost over 220 Million Dollars each without advertising, and Spiderman 2 (PS) Needed 300 Million Dollars
I always thought Paramount would merge with Peawiener as they're both the weakest links in the streaming wars.
>Zaslav terminates the Transformers movie franchise
It’s a Christmas miracle, Charlie Brown!
>also transformers as a whole
I’m fine with that
t. /toy/gay
I thought they stopped making those
Nope, released one last year, and it set up a new GI Joe to be tied into it. Add the Power Rangers to it, and we'll have it just like the RPG books.
If Nick and CN Merge
What happens to the reality show stuff
More Destory Build Destroy on CN! Woohoo!
Andrew WK deleted his entire existence and is only heard from when Kat Dennings needs him at parties. So this is unlikely and the show would suck without him
I could run WB better
Literally everyone in this thread could.
Yep. How are they so stupid?
They’re owned by discovery, which has exclusively been reality TV and disposable nature documentaries since the beginning. They weren’t equipped to handle real entertainment
WB is a bunch of competing fiefdoms that hate having to work together. It's why Cartoon Network and WB Animation are so dysfunctional with each other.
Disney, while having a clear pecking order where certain mediums matter more then others, was much better at having its subsidiaries coordinate and cooperate as one big synergy machine instead of trying to sabotage each other. A solid system that ultimately doesn't matter anymore since all of those units are shitting the bed and self sabotaging now for different reasons.
Wasn't this always the case
WB conservative animators always hated the Cartoon network stuff, they also hated Teen Titans iirc
Remember when people said Zaslav was a complete moron who would be thrown out of his position within a month?
Watching Final Space babies melt down over their garbage show rightfully being written off was comedy gold
Gigachad. I wonder how Zaslav will continue from here?
Can't wait for the Rick and Morty episode where Rick destroys Bikini Bottom or Fairy World
So, Warnermount? Or Para Bros.?
inb4 app named Paramax
Viacom will own Adult Swim and run it into the ground. You think its bad now you haven't seen anything.
Adult Swim is actually in great shape right now what do you mean?
And viacom will crash it.
and when the WB cancer kills off Paramount, the mouse will make his move.
Oh yeah I forgot that both Warner and Paramount own small percentages of CW
Because that will help the Discovery/WB situation of being billions in debt. Absorb another failing studio and place themselves into even deeper debt!
WBD debt: $44.80B
WBD net worth: $28.43B
Paramount debt: $15B
Paramount net worth: $10B
Kids watch Youtube. TV is dying. Cinema is dying.
God this system is so silly.
Technically speaking I can "afford" the whole of Paramount because its net value is negative 5 billion dollars.
It really isn’t. You owe more than you own for your car payment usually. Debt doesn’t mean you don’t have assets, it’s also not all debt in one spot
>DID YOU SAY YOU WANTED TO BUY US AND DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE 5 BILLION DOLLARS BUDDY IT'S YOUR FRICKING LUCKY DAY
Frankly, anybody can buy any company at any value they choose if they agree upon it. With companies in debt, they go for a lot cheaper. Million to even billion dollar companies go for 100k USD for someone else to accept the debt. Usually when a buyout happens like this, the people who control the debt for the company demand to be paid
Technically speaking, you cannot.
Paramount may owe 5 billion, but its market capitalization is $10 billion dollars. To buy every share from every shareholder, you not only need to pay them the stock value, but also a premium that is typically 30~50% the value of the stock. So you're looking at a price tag of somewhere around $14 billion, debt and all.
I think we should start recognizing youtube as a form of TV.
Its not dying just moved to a different set up.
At the end of the day, if Mattpatt stuff is more profitable than Transformers 6, nothing stops Paramount from just buying the Theory channels. They just have to not dump a bunch of money into them because returns don't scale like that
YouTube is kind of hard to regulate, like the internet as a whole
Especially when it's so international
Lawmakers are just kicking the can as much as they can to avoid the Subject
Canada is trying to put their hands on it. As usual, since they're protective over that sort of shit.
>we should start recognizing youtube as a form of TV
You should keep your kids away from the ipad, you fricking degenerate. Stay the frick away from my internet.
I do think there is an argument about how access to media in general is having negative effects on youth, but I do not belive kids should never watch visual media ever and the way that works best for them watching said media is via the internet.
The solution si higher regulation on platforms like youtube for kid content or frankly, outright nationalization of youtube.
>higher regulation
I said frick off.
When has ancap ever not led to a dystopia?
>the internet in 1998 is ancap
This is where directionbrain gets you.
The internet in 1998 didn't have iPad babies and people with 20 million views telling teenage boys rape is totally awesome or pushing "lifehacks" that will melt your skin off.
Its not reasonable to have a parent be with there kid every waking moment they are online soa solution needs to be made.
>its not reasonable to have a parent be with there kid every waking moment they are online
They shouldn't be online in the first place. Stop enabling such degenerate behavior.
Are you suggesting the entire internet should be off limits to children?
I'm suggesting parents should take responsibility instead of having new regulations with new taxation passed just to enforce common sense.
Lack of regulation literally caused this current situation. You better not cry when we enter a cyberpunk society.
>the regulation of seeing bad words on the internet is the same as regulating the monopolisation of the entertainment industry
Nuclear annihilation is the only way to escape your school of thought.
Wait I’m actually moronic, didn’t read the original context.
Yes, too much regulation over how clean media should be for kids or for everyone can be cringe.
As for economics however… these mergers are getting too much. Something needs to kick in already.
>TV good
>YT bad
>reading comprehension
Universal suffrage was a mistake if it allows someone as moronic as you to vote.
Also once they've grown-up they quickly move to anime instead of sticking to censored loreSHIT western cartoons
>western cartoons
What Western cartoons? WBD already ended WB Animation. They're not even bothering to compete with anime, because they know they've lost.
It's over DC bros. Manga won.
Why can't these companies just be satisfied with all the shit they already own
Paramount want to sell because they have debt issues that need resolving. WBD is buying because it needs to do something to appeal to shareholders.
Keep in mind Discovery stocks have gone down 50% since the merger with WBD. They're at the verge of bankruptcy. If they continue to bleed investors they're going to hit the wall and die.
Linear TV is dying and streaming isn't that profitable.
The entire industry is slowly collpasing because its business model is fundamentally flawed at this moment in time.
WBD's stock price since the merger.
>barely a blip
I
>own Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry, DC, Hanna-Barbera, and Cartoon Network
>"NOOOO we don't have anything to attract kids! We NEED to merge with Paramount and get access to Nick's IPs so we have a shot at competing with Disney!"
Zaslav is a fricking idiot
As other anons are saying, he’s probably referring to Nick Jr./Noggin since WB has really shitty younger kids programming besides Sesame Street, which is more of a licensing thing they don’t own.
and remember Zaslav was going to have Looney Tunes removed off MAX so it could be licensed to other services like Netflix, Prime, TUBI and Freevee (which is part of Prime and yet can be separate and is its own weird biome)
Putting SpongeBob and Paw Patrol on Max still won't make kids want to use it. Hell they don't even make kids want to use Paramount+. You will never beat YouTube and Fortnite
Fortnite is fricking here to WRECK shop on kids entertainment now. They just added a competent cart racer, a Minecraft Lego mode that feels more fleshedout, and fricking Rockban made by the old devs. And the price to play all the game modes and the Battle Royal mode, F R E E. Your kid doesn't need to spend a god damn dime and can access all these modes.
I wonder if just putting entire shows on youtube will be done more often
as much as it hurts to say this, when has WB ever given a shit about tom & jerry?
It's been insane to witness in real time all the major American entertainment companies implode in on themselves
>Depression
Woah woah woah there pal. There are guns and tanks and bombs aiming right at you, so you better say "recession" next time, or else things might get a lil ugly.
>Doesn't want the government regulating content on the internet
>But the government regulating who can reproduce is totally fine
No the US is still growing, though growth has softened quite a bit since last year. But half the population thinks anything they government puts out must be a conspiracy and the fact non-government group can prove the numbers are correct must mean the conspiracy is far-reaching and global.
>though growth has softened quite a bit since last year
So it's in decline.
There is less growth but growth all the same
If I remember correctly, mergers like this are supposed to convince investors on giving the companies more funds to actually do stuff despite the high amount of debt. That's why stuff like BlackRock has such a massive grip on the western entertainment industry, large companies are currently run by people who're too dumb to make money own their own like their predecessors.
Imagine how different the entertainment industry would be if it didn't rely on investors.
Is anyoen else seeing a bunch fo deleted posts?
Yes
Everything good about our childhoods is fading away to dust then being inhaled by cancerous corporatism. Things like this make me feel that I don't wanna exist anymore
Good. It's not like they've been handling those properties well.
Everything good about your childhoods was ALREADY infected by corporatism
There was still a drawing room full of human beings back then.
>New CEO will be appointed. Zaslav gets his golden parachute. Plane explodes midair killing all the investors instantly.
100% this.
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These mega corps keep piling up IPs like old dragons, and are just as lumbering and drunken in their stupor of greed. They don't understand that these IPs are worth nothing without new content. It doesn't matter how many times the hoard changes hands, it is worthless without proper stewardship. But hey, if Paramount does merge with WB, it will be a poison that will kill them faster.
And then Disney will swoop right in, take the conjoined bloated corpse, hacksaw essentials like SpongeBob and DC off of it, and leave the rest to rot on the growing mound that is Disney+.
Eventually the megatechs will step in and take over ownership of these media giants, if they can't fine a new path forward from theaters/cable/streaming. Apple, Microsoft, Amazon all have the vast incomes to feed content creation, but they also want to see a way forward that's profitable.
But Warner-Discovery never made a lick of sense, and seemed to ride on the proposition that the DC movies were suddenly going to turn around into MCU-Too.
Very few of the mega techs have shown that level of interest in media. Bezos literally said Prime was basically a side gig to get you to buy more canned soup or whatever.
Amazon's main hustle is cloud storage now, secondary is online market, streaming is a side-hustle for them. They could easily pick up a distressed Warner Brothers/Discovery.
It keeps going up for sale half-off, to the dismay of it's broken shareholders.
>TMNT
>Aeon Flux
>Maxx
>Mission Impossible
>Star Trek
>A Quiet Place
>Top Gun
>Sponge Bob
>Miramax stuff like Spykids and The Crow
>Halloween
>Hasboro shit like Transformers and GI:Joe
>Scream
Oh boy. This would be interesting
Sounds like a bunch of stuff they're just waiting to bury under spongebob and teen titans go.
Paramount owns quite a bit of interesting things, not just in the realm of Cinemaphile. But I imagine IDW is panicking. I still don’t think that the two catalogues together rival Disney/Fox though
Executives don't give a frick what you like. Tax write-offs and burials will happen.
Yeah, kids really give a shit about....A Quiet Place...?
I get that you think of everything in terms of children's entertainment since this is a comic and cartoon board, but it's quite an interesting merger when you compare what Paramount would bring to WB and vice-versa. It'd create a strong streaming line-up for both kids and adults.
Not every company operates that way, but yes, some stuff will be delayed, some cancelled, and some shelved; thankfully most modern cartoon and comic adaptations are garbage, so I'm not concerned. The back catalogue stuff is more interesting to me; y'know, the things that can't write off.
Disney just bought out the remainder of Hulu from Comcast.
>Disney just bought out the remainder of Hulu from Comcast.
Yes out of mandatory obligation. Disney did not want to fulfill that end of the contract. Ideally they would have happily maintained the old status quo, if you think Disney is happy about being forced contractually to spend those billions think again and they're not finished paying up. They still owe Comcast more billions. Disney is in a rather embarrassing situation right now. And that alone is not the only problem they got.
>Disney just bought out the remainder of Hulu from Comcast.
They have not. They made a "minimum" payment of $8.6 billion. The final amount is still under contention, with Comcast seeking more than 3 times that. This exceeds Disney's cash-on-hand by over 2x.
>the back catalogue stuff is more interesting to me
That's exactly what's getting written off. Enough of your laidback hype.
You can't write off things produced in the 80's, 90's, 00's anon. That's not how it works.
You can however bury them. No looney tunes for you.
I don't care for looney tunes, so, I'm good.
They don't care for anything you like that isn't gangbusters either.
>You can however bury them. No looney tunes for you.
Licensing alone is steady income.
>people here, there, and in general are worried about Disney owning all of the things
>Warner Bros slowly ripped itself apart and became a black hole so dense that not even moneyed names like AT&T and Discovery could escape its grasp
All those awards, all that film history, and in the end, they decided to pull the old guard down with them.
does anyone actually see this happening?
i don't really see any positives to this deal besides
more content=better value
am I wrong? what am I missing here
This is happening because both studios are circling the drain (WBD is 50+ billions in the red, Paramount is selling everything not nailed down)
The only positive is seeing all these huge merged companies crash and burn when they are finally all out of delay tactics. As some of you already said, in the current day the old formula of doing business is simply not working all the while streaming services are not profitable and from what I see will largely never be profitable since people are complaining about the whole Attack on Physical Media element.
I mean, streaming services could be profitable if they made good content
Paramount is looking for a buyer because they can't afford their upcoming dues. They've reached out to both Apple and Amazon, neither of which were interested.
Weird, you'd think those two would've liked getting bigger.
It's a bad deal. The company is overvalued and drowning in debt.
Apple is a tech company first. They're not going to take on Spongebob or The Loud House unless they can brazenly insert Apple products into each episode.
Didn't a bunch of Nick shows have Pear-brand products?
>Apple TV
Have you heard of this service?
Not a profit center for apple, and isn't trying to compete on content.
>It's not at all like a video game where the protagonist can just offer up briefcases full of cold hard cash and expect every shareholder to approve.
Yeah, this would require at least 2 fetch quests and a goddam escort mission.
I'm really supreised how hard the studios have fallen after trying to start their own streaming services. Like, I would have expected this maybe in 2026 with just Paramount going under, but seeing WB turn into a black hole is fricking amazing.
Mark my words, a decade from now the entertainment industry will experience a crash similar to the one the gaming industry experienced in 1983, and there'll be no Nintendo-like company to save them.
With the speed we're going at!? Movies are so overbudgeted, and the only way to make a profit is to break the top 20-grossing movies of all time!
Okay, probably less than a decade, but ya know what I mean.
what does entertainment look like then?
Westernised anime.
Hail Zaslav
Guess WBD has to offload all that debt somehow since the tax write-off scheme isn't working.
I wonder what they would end up doing with Pluto. Having some CN dedicated channels on there would be awesome.
So Cartoon Nickelodeon, will it have decent shows?
No, all you'll ever get is 12 hours of TTGO spam followed by 12 hours of SpongeBob spam
EVERY SINGLE DAY
someone add SpongeBob, Dora, and the Ninja Turtles to this billboard
Won’t happen
>paramont has all Star Trek, most Nicktoons, and Nickelodeon shows reaching back to the 80s
>Zaslav will undoubtedly memory-hole everything but TNG, whatever the new Trek show is, Spongebob, and Rugrats
Oh boy; can't wait to never see Eureeka's Castle or any DiC/Cookie Jar show ever again.
Zaslav literally made a name for himself as a fricking content reaper. You're not going to recoup the subscriptions lost when he guts Paramount + to make Paramax or whatever.
>merge to make one super debt
they can't be serious
>WB buys Paramount
>scrapes off all the IP they want
>saddle Paramount with all the debt from both companies
>Everyone claps when WB selflessly saved all of Paramount's classic movies when the obviously shitty Paramount goes bankrupt as a result
This exact same bullshit is why Toys R Us and FAO Schwartz don't exist anymore.
Your flotilla can't sink if you keep adding ships
In theory, mergers should combine revenue streams while removing redundancies that they could not eliminate alone. For example, they could now fire almost half the IT team on streaming, marketing, various administration positions, etc.
In practice... well, WBD itself is the product of a merger. And AT&T/Warner before that, and AOL Time Warner before that. What's the common thread between all of these disasters? It's WB itself.
I don't want to downplay the dumb decisions from Zazlav/Discovery, particularly delaying and pouring more money into the DCEU films, while undercutting them with premature project announcements that won't take shape for 3 years. But the fact is that the Discovery side of the business is what's propping up WB. They didn't fire enough people. They didn't root out the rot.
WB is herpes, and Paramount is crabs. The audience is going to get crabs with herpes.
Disney should have bought WB so we can see this happen.
Disney literally does not have spending money anymore. I mean maybe at one point they could have, but right now? Disney is a poor man pretending that he's rich.
Positives:
-The Ninja Turtles are added to DC (And get another actually good movie by James Gunn)
-Multiversus gets a FRICKLOAD move characters
Negatives
-Everything else
Has James Gunn ever tackled the TMNT?
>Positives:
>-The Ninja Turtles are added to DC (And get another actually good movie by James Gunn)
>-Multiversus gets a FRICKLOAD move characters
Fricking deluded....
>positives: not gonna happen and who gives a frick
Multiversus can get Nick characters in the game without needing WB and Paramount to merge. proof: TMNT was just added to Fortnite a week ago
Not only that, but I'm pretty sure one of the higher-ups at Paramount did say they'd be okay with Spongebob being in Multiversus.
WE CAN FINALLY HAVE A REBOOT OF VIDEO COMICS!
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Surprisingly, sounds like even investors are sick of movie studio consolidation. Might be the one thing that stops this from happening.
https://deadline.com/2023/12/paramount-warner-bros-discovery-merger-talks-questions-1235679309/
>When the opening bell rang on Wall Street, however, investors didn’t exactly give the idea of “Warnamount” a ringing endorsement. Shares of Paramount slipped 1% and WBD slid 4% in early trading. Paramount is 40% below its 52-week high, and WBD has lost more than half its value since the April 2022 close of the WarnerMedia-Discovery merger.
>While the business has reckoned with more seismic deals in recent years, among them Disney-Fox and AT&T-Time Warner, this time the reality seems to be dawning that bigger is not always better. Streaming platforms swim in red ink and legacy media assets (mainly linear TV) are eroding. Yes, Zaslav has hinted at opportunities to be had, but WBD was not really considered a buyer given its oft-stated focus on reducing its enormous debt. It’s not clear how trying to swallow a company with hefty debt of its own solves any problems.
>Citi media analyst Jason Bazinet told Deadline he sees little upside to the combination. Investors “watched CBS and Viacom merge,” he said. “They watched Disney and Fox merge. And they watched Discovery buy Scripps and [merge] with Warner Bros. Discovery. And none of those were the elixir that allowed you to generate huge amounts of cash flow.” A company message of “‘We have this great idea, we need to do more M&A,’” he said, won’t go over as well as it once did, “because you can’t draw a straight line between M&A and profitability in streaming.”
I'm honestly surprised, a decade to go "hmm maybe this isn't good" is pretty dang quick
Yeah this isn't going through. WBD has three things they need to focus on for the next few years: paying down their debt, expanding Max globally, and fixing Cartoon Network. They don't have time to get distracted by mergers. Paramount is 100% getting sold to someone in the next year, but it won't be to them
If they don’t green light a Jimmy neutron and Dexter crossover why bother
>it's ok when Zaslav does it: the post
Are you a bot? Are you mentally challenged or do you go around dropping non-sequitors to different posts because you're also socially challenged?
When all things are Disney, nothing will be.
>I think Superman works best as a shared cultural heritage
Why should it be ripped away from the Shuster family again?
The Shuster Family should get like, one big, multimillion dollar payment right before Superman goes PD. Siegel and Shuster were definitely cheated, but the point of the Public Domain is that no one person should have control over something that becomes part of culture at large.They can not keep him forever.
No one said they can or should get to keep it forever. WB can't keep it forever. Superman will enter the public domain in 10 years.
WB is creating a monopoly from getting bought by everyone.
I am TAKING that concept, and calling it bawd BASED MONOPOLIZATION.
Superman as he existed in Action Comics #1 will be public domain in 10 years.
I tried to think of a funny headline to summarize the whole situation. couldn't make it work lol.
I read the news today and they just went for it lmao
>media are shilling against it
That’s how you need it’s gonna happen.
o what happens now2
We need the government to step in and do what they did to Ma Bell
which was?
>"haha just kidding guys!"
huh
What a nothingburger