This. Anyone is willing to do this. Leftists would be willing to kill hundreds of millions of White people to make a better world for POC and rightoids would wipe out all non-Whites to protect their race, for example
No it isn't you utter twat. Beyond the fact that there were multiple significant points being made, the final big one, the one that would undo everything and make all the innocent deaths be in vain, was that humanities vain bullshit morality and lack of objectivity will forever doom it to a miserable fricking existence. Veidt was right. The world were living in is already living proof. Humanity is killing itself in any number of ways and will never pull its head out the ass of subjective morality to ever get anything done about the multitude of existential crisis that will ultimately doom us all. Rorshach was a fricking nutjob, obsessed with a perverted sense of self serving justice. That's why he wanted to die. He possessed enough reason to know he had no place in the world Ozymandias had made and was perhaps already suicidal at the prospect he already potentially set its unmaking in order.
>doomsday is not real
You'd have to be fricking moronic & ignorant to believe this. The earth and the cosmos above has already visited several extinction events upon this planet, some even while our species was here. If you honestly believe man does not possess the ability to destroy itself you're a naive dipshit.
>You dont understand. If we do not eat the bugs and not have children we are literally going to die
Death cultist have always 2 problems. Narcissistic personality and daddy issues.
>doomsday is not real
You'd have to be fricking moronic & ignorant to believe this. The earth and the cosmos above has already visited several extinction events upon this planet, some even while our species was here. If you honestly believe man does not possess the ability to destroy itself you're a naive dipshit.
False
Veidt was killing millions of people
that is a crime
he is evil
This. Anyone is willing to do this. Leftists would be willing to kill hundreds of millions of White people to make a better world for POC and rightoids would wipe out all non-Whites to protect their race, for example
I wouldn't be willing to do this
villain
based
That image could not be more bullshit and completely opposite of how the world really works.
prove it
even you likely believe the world works this way
>huuurrr duuurrrr I'm a huge homosexual
Ftfy, this thread is full of moronic pussies which I have no interest in debating. Excuse me while I go purposefully waste shit tons of non-renewable resources to do my part in pushing humanity closer to its breaking point.
For some issues that mankind faces, its literally a mathematical formula. So in some cases, yes you absolutely can. You will see wars over water in your lifetime. Small scale ones are already happening in some parts of the world. Killing massive amounts of humans would automatically solve or at least alleviate many issues.
yea but you don’t know if it would be worth it in the “end” - when is the end anyways? That was Jon’s point. Maybe proper water wars leads to a utopia in the long run for all you know
None of can know in the end if you're going to be a homosexual and move goal posts. You can only solve for the foreseeable future. Except dumbass things like morality & ethics stops us from even getting close to that.
that still means you’re committing genocide based off an imperfect calculation. You have no way of knowing the genocide will pay off. >dude I have to kill a lot of people so a lot of people don’t die, this is what the heckin’ MATH and SCIENCE says
In the short term, to stave off total annihilation, that's completely justified. If you don't agree with that, you're part of the problem.
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you have no way of knowing total annihilation will happen for a fact. The fact we’re still here shows the cold war didn’t end in nuclear fire, all without some cringelord committing genocide to “save” the world
History proved you wrong
I thought it was cool. I mean, there's no way it's going to last, humanity will stop uniting against fake space monsters / Dr Manhattan eventually (either through the journal or simply time passing) but by that time enough about our stagnant order will have been shaken up that new values, new players and new paradigms will have emerged and our species will have mutated socially and better systems will bubble their way to the top, which is the entire point of life. The World Wars were periods of unrivalled technological advancement, imagine the collective problem-solving against an existential threat like Veidt's.
Veidt is the Leviathan born into the overcrowded reptile swamp (funny how Trump also used that imagery to great effect).
was there really billions of people going to die? I don't think the movie even established it was an inevitability, just his own deranged belief that it would happen eventually (for all he knows it might not though). I would say because of that he's a villain
He wasn't a hero, but his plan was just reasonable enough that, having done the killing part, their best option was to carry through with the rest. It's a critique of the whole idea of fighting for an imagined good cause, and the challenge of stopping anything once the bloodshed has begun. Once you drop that bomb, you need to commit to the bit; otherwise, you're plainly the villain. But the more you commit to the bit, the harder it is to not justify more violence in the future.
>He wasn't a hero, but his plan was just reasonable enough that, having done the killing part, their best option was to carry through with the rest.
False
neither. he was a human
This. Anyone is willing to do this. Leftists would be willing to kill hundreds of millions of White people to make a better world for POC and rightoids would wipe out all non-Whites to protect their race, for example
False, they only like POC in their own countries, they don't give 1 shit about Africa
He did what had to be done to avert a nuclear holocaust.
Baka, the whole point of the story is that Veidt was entirely in the wrong.
No it isn't you utter twat. Beyond the fact that there were multiple significant points being made, the final big one, the one that would undo everything and make all the innocent deaths be in vain, was that humanities vain bullshit morality and lack of objectivity will forever doom it to a miserable fricking existence. Veidt was right. The world were living in is already living proof. Humanity is killing itself in any number of ways and will never pull its head out the ass of subjective morality to ever get anything done about the multitude of existential crisis that will ultimately doom us all. Rorshach was a fricking nutjob, obsessed with a perverted sense of self serving justice. That's why he wanted to die. He possessed enough reason to know he had no place in the world Ozymandias had made and was perhaps already suicidal at the prospect he already potentially set its unmaking in order.
>Veidt was right. The world were living in is already living proof.
lmao imagine believe this
no doomsday is not real, chud
>doomsday is not real
You'd have to be fricking moronic & ignorant to believe this. The earth and the cosmos above has already visited several extinction events upon this planet, some even while our species was here. If you honestly believe man does not possess the ability to destroy itself you're a naive dipshit.
>Rorschach was the first Proud Boy
>You dont understand. If we do not eat the bugs and not have children we are literally going to die
Death cultist have always 2 problems. Narcissistic personality and daddy issues.
False
Veidt was killing millions of people
that is a crime
he is evil
I wouldn't be willing to do this
based
prove it
even you likely believe the world works this way
>huuurrr duuurrrr I'm a huge homosexual
Ftfy, this thread is full of moronic pussies which I have no interest in debating. Excuse me while I go purposefully waste shit tons of non-renewable resources to do my part in pushing humanity closer to its breaking point.
how do you debate a death cultist that projects his self-hatred into the population at large?
You haven't refuted my argument
You didn't make one moron. Stating that you disagree with or don't believe in what another person has said is not an argument.
I did make an argument.
Try rereading my post.
>Rorshach was a fricking nutjob, obsessed with a perverted sense of self serving justice
i met a lot of these here on Cinemaphile
Villain. Utilitarianism is cringe. No one can know with absolute confidence that their evil for the sake of the greater good will pay off in the end.
For some issues that mankind faces, its literally a mathematical formula. So in some cases, yes you absolutely can. You will see wars over water in your lifetime. Small scale ones are already happening in some parts of the world. Killing massive amounts of humans would automatically solve or at least alleviate many issues.
yea but you don’t know if it would be worth it in the “end” - when is the end anyways? That was Jon’s point. Maybe proper water wars leads to a utopia in the long run for all you know
None of can know in the end if you're going to be a homosexual and move goal posts. You can only solve for the foreseeable future. Except dumbass things like morality & ethics stops us from even getting close to that.
that still means you’re committing genocide based off an imperfect calculation. You have no way of knowing the genocide will pay off.
>dude I have to kill a lot of people so a lot of people don’t die, this is what the heckin’ MATH and SCIENCE says
In the short term, to stave off total annihilation, that's completely justified. If you don't agree with that, you're part of the problem.
you have no way of knowing total annihilation will happen for a fact. The fact we’re still here shows the cold war didn’t end in nuclear fire, all without some cringelord committing genocide to “save” the world
History proved you wrong
>the end is coming, says the malthusian for 300 years and counting
villain
That image could not be more bullshit and completely opposite of how the world really works.
Autism.jpg
There are some means no ends can justify.
>Take out two of the most heavily populated israeli centers on the globe
Depends on who you ask.
Thanos was right
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I thought it was cool. I mean, there's no way it's going to last, humanity will stop uniting against fake space monsters / Dr Manhattan eventually (either through the journal or simply time passing) but by that time enough about our stagnant order will have been shaken up that new values, new players and new paradigms will have emerged and our species will have mutated socially and better systems will bubble their way to the top, which is the entire point of life. The World Wars were periods of unrivalled technological advancement, imagine the collective problem-solving against an existential threat like Veidt's.
Veidt is the Leviathan born into the overcrowded reptile swamp (funny how Trump also used that imagery to great effect).
was there really billions of people going to die? I don't think the movie even established it was an inevitability, just his own deranged belief that it would happen eventually (for all he knows it might not though). I would say because of that he's a villain
He wasn't a hero, but his plan was just reasonable enough that, having done the killing part, their best option was to carry through with the rest. It's a critique of the whole idea of fighting for an imagined good cause, and the challenge of stopping anything once the bloodshed has begun. Once you drop that bomb, you need to commit to the bit; otherwise, you're plainly the villain. But the more you commit to the bit, the harder it is to not justify more violence in the future.
He was a utilitarian
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
The key to the end, though, isn't him arguing about what they should do. It's him going nuclear and changing the whole baseline.
>He wasn't a hero, but his plan was just reasonable enough that, having done the killing part, their best option was to carry through with the rest.
False
He was a fool that didn't go far enough.
The only way the planet could have been saved is to kill every last American and turn the entire continent into a crater.