there was no formal declaration of war; Saruman merely lent tacit support to the Dunledings in their righteous struggle to drive out the Rohan colonizers from Dunland
This is like saying Aragorn was wrong to kill the Mouth of Sauron because he was a diplomatic emissary or some shit... When this was days after Sauron tried to exterminate Minas Tirith and invade Gondor.
>This is like saying Aragorn was wrong to kill the Mouth of Sauron because he was a diplomatic emissary or some shit
Yes? Although I'll admit that it was a strange move on Sauron's part to try his hand at diplomacy AFTER he started a genocidal war against Gondor.
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His military operation against Gondor wasn't going as planned so he needed to buy time to reorganize and resupply his army. Also there was the problem of Rohan recklessly supplying troops to Gondor, diplomacy was needed to prevent further escalation. Sauron had already pulled back his armies from Minas Tirith as a show of goodwill. Of course he didn't expect Aragorn to pull off a war crime in daylight.
>marching up to a city in full war outfit
show of force >had been pillaging the Rohan countryside on the way there
hill-folk who wore no isengard uniforms
>a peaceful caravan
those caravans were transporting weapons to use in the genocide against the hill-folk >traveling lawfully in their own realm
stolen land
>noooo not the heckin innocent Uruks! >you can't just heckin shoot an arrow at one of 10,000 fully armed warriors who are in active siege of your stronghold
We only have “war crimes” because there were international agreements that such a thing existed. I’m no lore gay so I don’t know if anything like that happened in Middle Earth but I doubt it. Lastly, only fake countries and losers let their soldiers be judged by other nations.
It was dumb because archers don't sit there with the bow drawn back for minutes. No one does that except in movies. In real life medieval war, you are supposed to wait until you are given the command to draw your bow and fire. You don't sit there waiting and waiting with a drawn bow. That's stupid and tiring.
Just like that stupid sound effect in movies where they draw their swords but it makes a metal grinding "shrrinnng" noise. Why? The scabbard is made of leather. Why would the sword make a metal noise like that?
This. It takes so much fricking strength to pull back the string on a bow. Their arms would have given out within seconds. Archers back then were strong as oxen
my assumption was that they were just outside of what everyone assumed was bow range and that the old guy was just as surprised as anyone that his arrow hit something.
If you assume them to be just out of range you shouldn't be drawing your bow, that's just going to tire out your troops and eventually ruin the strings if you make a habit out of it, they also should have been pointing 45 degrees up and not 5 degrees down if they thought it was at near max range.
>is shooting an aggressive combatant a war crime?
hostilities hadn't yet commenced; if it was no war crime it was certainly an act of aggression towards Isengard
Saruman already declared war.
there was no formal declaration of war; Saruman merely lent tacit support to the Dunledings in their righteous struggle to drive out the Rohan colonizers from Dunland
There is no need for a formal declaration of war when you are marching a 10,000 strong army up to their stronghold.
he would be executed in a real army for firing early and ruining any chance of a parley
>firing
>a bow
So you fly in from reddit this morning?
This is like saying Aragorn was wrong to kill the Mouth of Sauron because he was a diplomatic emissary or some shit... When this was days after Sauron tried to exterminate Minas Tirith and invade Gondor.
>This is like saying Aragorn was wrong to kill the Mouth of Sauron because he was a diplomatic emissary or some shit
Yes? Although I'll admit that it was a strange move on Sauron's part to try his hand at diplomacy AFTER he started a genocidal war against Gondor.
His military operation against Gondor wasn't going as planned so he needed to buy time to reorganize and resupply his army. Also there was the problem of Rohan recklessly supplying troops to Gondor, diplomacy was needed to prevent further escalation. Sauron had already pulled back his armies from Minas Tirith as a show of goodwill. Of course he didn't expect Aragorn to pull off a war crime in daylight.
That same Uruk army, marching up to a city in full war outfit, had been pillaging the Rohan countryside on the way there
>marching up to a city in full war outfit
show of force
>had been pillaging the Rohan countryside on the way there
hill-folk who wore no isengard uniforms
What about the warg riders who attacked a peaceful caravan of Rohan civilians traveling lawfully in their own realm?
>a peaceful caravan
those caravans were transporting weapons to use in the genocide against the hill-folk
>traveling lawfully in their own realm
stolen land
>noooo not the heckin innocent Uruks!
>you can't just heckin shoot an arrow at one of 10,000 fully armed warriors who are in active siege of your stronghold
what if they were uruk refugees fleeing from Saruman and seeking a better life in Rohan?
Purely Isengardian-economic factors
>hostilities hadn't yet commenced;
trespassing is a violation of the NAP
There was already a battle involving uruk at the river fords.
>Hacksongays knowing anything about the books
>battle
harmless skirmishing which could've been resolved peacefully
>what is Westfold
what's westfold?
Fords of Isen was an inside job
Stand your ground law applies. They shouldn’t have been on the land
Bruh the orcs literally brought bombs and shit
The Orc was trying to break into congress
>let's just hold our bows back at full strength for an hour lol
It was a moronic scene written by someone who thought archers and 18C line infantry worked the same way, it wasn't a war crime.
We only have “war crimes” because there were international agreements that such a thing existed. I’m no lore gay so I don’t know if anything like that happened in Middle Earth but I doubt it. Lastly, only fake countries and losers let their soldiers be judged by other nations.
frickin nerds
He ruined their little pike dance so yeah
Dances are not protected actions under the Geneva convention.
It was dumb because archers don't sit there with the bow drawn back for minutes. No one does that except in movies. In real life medieval war, you are supposed to wait until you are given the command to draw your bow and fire. You don't sit there waiting and waiting with a drawn bow. That's stupid and tiring.
Just like that stupid sound effect in movies where they draw their swords but it makes a metal grinding "shrrinnng" noise. Why? The scabbard is made of leather. Why would the sword make a metal noise like that?
Hackson was shit, we all know
They weren't soldiers, they were farmers and peasants with little to no training
This. It takes so much fricking strength to pull back the string on a bow. Their arms would have given out within seconds. Archers back then were strong as oxen
War crimes only apply to other humans.
durr somebody has to fire the first shot think about it.
His name was Aldor.
No. It was a misfire.
>fire
>bow
>fire
>bow
WTF are you on about? Look up what a warcrime is.
More like achieves first kill.
I still don't understand why they took so long to fire.
> Enemy rocks up within range
> Let them do some big war chant to intimidate your soldiers.
Like the frick? Just start blasting
my assumption was that they were just outside of what everyone assumed was bow range and that the old guy was just as surprised as anyone that his arrow hit something.
That was also my interpretation, also that the arrow connecting was a metaphor for the orcs underestimating humans
If you assume them to be just out of range you shouldn't be drawing your bow, that's just going to tire out your troops and eventually ruin the strings if you make a habit out of it, they also should have been pointing 45 degrees up and not 5 degrees down if they thought it was at near max range.
The orcs clearly violated the NAP by entering King Théoden's domain in their attempt to enforce Isengard's tax policy.
>NOTCH
>DRAW
>HOLD
>HOLD
>HOLD
>HOLD
>KEEP HOLDING BOYS ITS ONLY A 100 LB DRAW WEIGHT
>HOLD
>HOLD
>NOT YET LADS
>HOLD
>FIIIREEE
bump
>LOOOSE
>I MEAN FIRE, MODERN AUDIENCE DON'T KNOW WHAT LOOSE MEANS
>fire
>FIRE
>I THINK I'M GONNA LOOSE MY FRICKING MIND
>He's a named character in the table top game and has a special rule that he always fires first.
>was it a war crime?
did he ask the uruk where it was from