Every single Spider-Man character was assassinated because of Miles
Miles is such a bad character that he can retroactively character assassinate literally the entire spider-man multiverse, all it’s forms of media, and the concept of Spider-Man itself just to kiss his ass when he as a character shouldn’t exist cause his very existence damages Spider-Man!
But yes it’s character assassination, this version of Peter couldn’t kill black cat’s dad who killed uncle Ben. He tried to rehabilitate and save Eddie and John Jameson and the Lizard. He’s in love with Gwen Stacy who probably is still alive but by logic should be alive. Can you imagine this Peter accepting this?
>Can you imagine this Peter accepting this?
Accept what? That if something outside of his universe saves Gwen then all of his universe, including Gwen, her family, his family, and all the beings on earth may die? I think it's pretty reasonable to join a company who prevents villains from universe-travelling.
It needs to be something that comes from outside of that universe and that it shouldnt be there. Spiderman always tries to sabe their loved ones, but he always fails.
He wasn't supposed to follow Gwen, and they had to tell him SOMETHING when he did get there and I don't think they'd just lie to him cause imagine how that would go over later if he found out they could have stopped it AFTER his Dad died
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>and they had to tell him SOMETHING when he did get there
They didnt
>imagine how that would go over later if he found out they could have stopped it AFTER his Dad died
Like with everyone else
Yes, 100% correct. The "Canon event" shit isn't even consistent in this scene. They literally say that one example of a canon event is that all Spider-Man must have a police captain acquaintance die from falling rubble trying to save a child during a fight with a supervillain.
Then they show Andrew Garfield and George Stacy from TASM1, and there was no child even involved in that fight, and George died from being stabbed by Lizard.
It's such an inane concept from the ground up. It demonstrates a complete lack of understand of not just the medium and genre but the very act of writing itself.
Agreed. God I'm so fricking sick of multiverse shit and Poochie-tier knockoffs when it comes to Spider-Man. They've turned what was once a relatable, street-level hero into the fricking interdimensional Power Rangers, the name Spider-Man is nothing more than a title that can be wielded by10 trillion different Spider-Variants, whose very existence and all major story events are all pre-ordained by Spider-Destiny. It's so fricking dumb, such a far-cry from the essence of the character.
It's such an inane concept from the ground up. It demonstrates a complete lack of understand of not just the medium and genre but the very act of writing itself.
https://i.imgur.com/WKy7CJy.jpg
Was it character assassination?
I have seen the other non-Parker Spider Mans. Including the og comic ones. Did they seriously murder them all?
>but the very act of writing itself.
Its literally saying like "You are writing a story where the hero suffers losses?? Why you hate fun!!" which is so insane because...bruh, you guys aren't even real.
That was my biggest problem with it. How poorly they explained and explore the concept.
I could understand if the concept was that specific events are supposed to occur to keep a universe tethered to reality but that these events don't make a person a Spider-Man in and out themselves, but they tie them directly to a source reality that alternate events stem from, and if you change to many events it'll disconnect it's attachment to that reality and all the realities tied to it but not the source reality. Source Realities being major universe they don't want change (like the OG Comics or MCU movies) and they can even bullshit it so that you can't even enter a source reality because it's too powerful or something, and attempting to do so creates a new reality stemming from it. It can even play into the running motif of art the films have and the idea of when an adaptation goes from a copy to an original idea inspired by a source yet can also go on to have it's own copies or inspirations based upon it.
To be fair though, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense within this movie and the previous movie that I can only hope the upcoming second half has a reasonable explanation for.
Here’s the thing though: Miles as a character can exist without ruining another because Spiderverse 1 showed it. We got a heroic Peter, a Peter growing into the mentor role, and other Spiders who all worked fine.
The problem with Spiderverse 2 was that the writers were so bitter and butthurt that Miles isn’t just accepted as THE Spider-Man that they completed ruined Miles’ momentum by ruining every other Spider they could. 2099 definitely got the biggest hit.
If the price of preventing the mass character assassination was to ensure that that Into The Spider-verse was wiped from existence forever. I'll gladly erase him from existence to preserve the actual Spider-Mans
This is the painful bit, it didn't have to be Miles vs all the spiders (though it helps a bit that it's not directly the most iconic ones hunting down miles, but rather cameos and practically OCs). They clearly wanted to get good use out of the Many Spiders thing but honestly I would've preferred spider gang versus multiverse of villains more. Vulture set me up for disappointment. The Miles hate squad is going into overdrive as if he's propped up to be Godking of Spider-Men while [your favorite spider here] is a dumb idiot defeatist loser, but it's not so cut and dry. That said sorta like MCUs civil war there's this awkward clash where to have conflict they want both groups to be half-wrong but heart to win the day or whatever, and it means our loveable heroes (which is everyone) have to act poorly but not outright evilly, and not super maliciously for the stuff that *could* be evil. Miguel wants Miles' dad to die but it's okay because he's got a reason. Miles wants to risk all realities but it's okay because he's a hero and he knows what's right. Hell, Spot is really the only one with a crisp idea on goals and morality but his endgame feels lacking. He wants to be endlessly powerful so he can beat... Some guy in a suit that's already been failing to kick his ass more than he's done to himself. He's already crossed the threshold of Serious Threat and lord knows what he wants after taking out Miles.
Letting people die when you aren't 100% sure that it's necessary is wrong. Telling people to let other people die when you aren't 100% sure it's necessary is wrong. Forcing a person to let their family die when you aren't 100% sure it's necessary is evil.
Every single Spider-Man in the Spider Society did all of this. That's not morally ambiguous, it's wrong.
Anon the first movie has miles existing because a peter died like a b***h, miles CAN’T exist without the death of a peter. Now it seems that that death has to extend to his actual character as written as well
Yes, 100% correct. The "Canon event" shit isn't even consistent in this scene. They literally say that one example of a canon event is that all Spider-Man must have a police captain acquaintance die from falling rubble trying to save a child during a fight with a supervillain.
Then they show Andrew Garfield and George Stacy from TASM1, and there was no child even involved in that fight, and George died from being stabbed by Lizard.
Absolutely.
Here’s the thing though: Miles as a character can exist without ruining another because Spiderverse 1 showed it. We got a heroic Peter, a Peter growing into the mentor role, and other Spiders who all worked fine.
The problem with Spiderverse 2 was that the writers were so bitter and butthurt that Miles isn’t just accepted as THE Spider-Man that they completed ruined Miles’ momentum by ruining every other Spider they could. 2099 definitely got the biggest hit.
Why are you guys acting like Miguel is wrong. Doesn't the fact they brought characters like this in prove he is 100% correct? Like that's the point of using a multiverse in this way, we know who Peter is even your mom knows Spider-Man wouldn't join this society if it wasn't the only way to stop these universes collapsing.
No way the movie just has fricking Spider-Man join a multiversal hitsquad without asking questions morons, no writer is that stupid
Not really, this Spider-Man not only just went through the ending of S2, but also George Stacy just died.
If there was more of a space of time between these events, he’d side with Miles.
Not at all, George died as a hero during a fight where pete was trying to put down another threat. There isn’t a lesson there it was just done for drama with gwen
TAS Parker is not superman in any shape or form, moron-kun. With fanbase like this, no wonder character-assassinating trash fire like spiderverse can make a bank.
I can't understand morons who can't think Spiderman seeing repercussions of their actions leading to actual doom would instead choose the greater good. Probably the same morons who think Spiderman would hate gay people.
>council of ricks
Trying too hard to fit in casual. Reed Richards had that way before R&M. You'd know that if you actually read some comics and weren't just blindly parroting "haha multiverse bad amirite guys"?
yes, and what pisses me off the most is you just know Miles is gonna save his dad and the universe proving them all wrong, which means they made every other Spider-Man a fricking failure all just to prop up Miles.
Maybe if he saves him in the end it will result in death of Gwen instead. Her father is not going to die now, but maybe it's multiverse correcting itself and now Gwen because she fell in love with Miles (who quite often boasts about being one and only Spiderman) will end up dead instead. She may save Miles's father much like Miles did with Indian, but she will end up dead and that will be the moment when it will click for Spiders. It is not the specific events that must happen for Spiderman to exist. It's suffering. It does not matter what tragedy Spiderman goes through and instead it is the act of going through some kind of tragedy and then pushing against it and becoming a greater hero.
What if this is a different Spectacular Spider-Man? What if this is one that somehow got exposed to the multiverse and last his universe. Now he works with Miguel to stop other, world ending events from happening. Theres 1000 Spectacular Spider-Men that never go to the multiverse, because it just simply never happens to him. Those are the ones that risk losing Gwen Stacy still, not one who's entire world is destroyed.
Speculator Spider-Man got fricked from having his cheer leader girlfriend because of the Gwen Stacy shit. Despite how Eddie Brook and Flash are implemented into the show.
it's not.
canon events are not inherently bad. Peter and Jess both have children and that's why they're on Miguel's side. the movie doesn't "ruin Peter" to prop up Miles despite your insistence tot he contrary.
The multiverse was a mistake. The Depersonalization of Spider-Man was a mistake. The making of the Spider-Man mantle as anything but a cross a man must bear due to his inaction. And most of all making Spider-Man somehow elevated to the point to be a multiversal savior to the point there's a multiverse spanning organization compromised of nothing but Spider-Man, a character hos is repeatedly stated to be STREET LEVEL, the lowest ranking possible, is the biggest mistake of them all. He's a fricker from Queens in a red and blue jumpsuit he salvaged from gym equipment at his shitty high school, not a savior of the super mega ultra universe.
guess I should give up trying to find any valid dissent about this movie here, everyone outside this hellhole loves the thing but here it's transphobic shitposting and wilful misunderstanding of the plot in every thread. is this the so called better option?
There is literally nothing wrong with being transphobic, being a troony is being a dangerous, delusional lunatic that grievously inflicts self injuries upon themselves because they have a head full of bad wiring.
Fricking deal with the cards you're dealt with like the rest of us, what makes them so special they get special protection?
I think its an issue where everywhere else everyone is constantly sucking off this movie and here people just shitpost the same thing. At its core the movie is just a part one, that means it isnt a finished story and thus no element has a real resolution.
Wow, if you say so! I guess Black folk ARE spiderman. Hooray! More shit down my throat mr. israeliteworth, because homosexualmeister 137627908 over there unanimously invalidated any criticism of an overhyped piece of shit.
Keep being myopic, troony, it'll spill into reality one of these days.
Trans lighting, she has a protect trans kids flag is so obvious, you need to respect Gwen's identity her gender is nor a vital part of her character, she's valid, her and Miles make a cute queer couple, trans love is beautiful!
her "protect trans kids" flag is just one of solidarity, her character arc is the same as any runaway kid and the taking off the mask moment can serve as an allegory for coming out and it's been done in spider-man before. none of this stuff says Gwen is trans.
People are gonna flip flop on this for a good long while but the "death cult bad" and "multiverse nuke for one dad bad" groups are both going to be silly and wrong until the second movie comes out and picks a landing spot. There's no perfect way to lean because any Spidey thinking "I *must* prevent death because I'm a hero and it's my duty" is ridiculous if they've got solid enough reason to believe that it'll destroy literally everything. That's just stupidity and selfishness and vanity at that point, and after all it's a bit messed up that they wouldn't scratch a multiverse to save, say, a civilian that fell down a manhole or anything. Meanwhile Miles is presumably the good guy because he's willing to try and save everything, having his cake and eating it too, just because he and the Spidies are "Spider-Man" as if that's a failure-safe title. Given he's our protagonist he's probably gonna be right to some degree, or at least get away with it, but then what's the lesson there? People keep b***hing that the spider cult is foolish but honestly they're making the smart move here: what good is heroics and life-saving if the trolley problem slaughters whole universes, starting with whichever one you just "saved" someone in? Anyway both parties are right only as far as what they can actually get away with. The cult is dumb if it turns out you can change fate, Miles and the rebels are dumb if you can't actually prevent canon-breaking.
there's no "heroes on both sides", the Spider-cult is wrong. Miles getting powers from a spider meant for someone else didn't destroy his universe. Hell, Gwen is proof of this since she knows her variants die in every universe but hers. Miguel and the rest of the doomsayers are freaking out about nothing, correlating their tragedies and only do so because they're obsessed with keeping a single version of canonicity. they're just a bunch of idiots overreacting about Miles, but I guess that's the real reason for the piss-takes here.
>"Miles, every Spider-Man has to break a buck at some point. You should've seen what I've done to my universe's Lonnie Lincoln. Not such a "Big Man" after all. It's just a buck Spider-Man is very unusual so better safe than sorry. Don't fight it Miles, just accept it.
I feel like instead of shitting on spidey variants these movies should be more about celebrating them. I liked into the spiderverse when it actually gave the other spidermen time to shine instead of just Miles, Peter and Gwen.
I honestly thought this movie would have been about Miguel and his shockin shenanigans across multiple spidey universes instead of more miles shit considering how the first movie focused on him
I liked the idea here where Takuya would come in to save the gang from the big bad with Leopardon, and a remix of Kakero Spider-Man and What’s Up Danger would play.
>I feel like instead of shitting on spidey variants these movies should be more about celebrating them.
What, but multiverses and crossovers are *always* about shitting on fan favorites to prop up the new guy
Yes it is character assassination on a mass scale because it is a scheme devised by Morlun who is disguised as Miguel, he is killing all spidermen by killing their values disguised as upholding canon
>"are you sure you're spiderman?" >"we're supposed to be funny, you're the only one that's not funny" >he tries to bite vulture
Every single Spider-Man character was assassinated because of Miles
Miles is such a bad character that he can retroactively character assassinate literally the entire spider-man multiverse, all it’s forms of media, and the concept of Spider-Man itself just to kiss his ass when he as a character shouldn’t exist cause his very existence damages Spider-Man!
But yes it’s character assassination, this version of Peter couldn’t kill black cat’s dad who killed uncle Ben. He tried to rehabilitate and save Eddie and John Jameson and the Lizard. He’s in love with Gwen Stacy who probably is still alive but by logic should be alive. Can you imagine this Peter accepting this?
Shut up, Miguel.
>Can you imagine this Peter accepting this?
Accept what? That if something outside of his universe saves Gwen then all of his universe, including Gwen, her family, his family, and all the beings on earth may die? I think it's pretty reasonable to join a company who prevents villains from universe-travelling.
>outside of his universe
Nah doesn't matter if it's out or in universe, otherwise why try to stop Miles
It needs to be something that comes from outside of that universe and that it shouldnt be there. Spiderman always tries to sabe their loved ones, but he always fails.
So why bring in Miles and tell him about it and then try to stop him
He wasn't supposed to follow Gwen, and they had to tell him SOMETHING when he did get there and I don't think they'd just lie to him cause imagine how that would go over later if he found out they could have stopped it AFTER his Dad died
>and they had to tell him SOMETHING when he did get there
They didnt
>imagine how that would go over later if he found out they could have stopped it AFTER his Dad died
Like with everyone else
Yes, 100% correct. The "Canon event" shit isn't even consistent in this scene. They literally say that one example of a canon event is that all Spider-Man must have a police captain acquaintance die from falling rubble trying to save a child during a fight with a supervillain.
Then they show Andrew Garfield and George Stacy from TASM1, and there was no child even involved in that fight, and George died from being stabbed by Lizard.
It's such an inane concept from the ground up. It demonstrates a complete lack of understand of not just the medium and genre but the very act of writing itself.
Agreed. God I'm so fricking sick of multiverse shit and Poochie-tier knockoffs when it comes to Spider-Man. They've turned what was once a relatable, street-level hero into the fricking interdimensional Power Rangers, the name Spider-Man is nothing more than a title that can be wielded by10 trillion different Spider-Variants, whose very existence and all major story events are all pre-ordained by Spider-Destiny. It's so fricking dumb, such a far-cry from the essence of the character.
>God I'm so fricking sick of multiverse shit
It's exhausting. Why did this blow up to be such a thing? It's just so devoid of sincerity.
I have seen the other non-Parker Spider Mans. Including the og comic ones. Did they seriously murder them all?
>but the very act of writing itself.
Its literally saying like "You are writing a story where the hero suffers losses?? Why you hate fun!!" which is so insane because...bruh, you guys aren't even real.
That was my biggest problem with it. How poorly they explained and explore the concept.
I could understand if the concept was that specific events are supposed to occur to keep a universe tethered to reality but that these events don't make a person a Spider-Man in and out themselves, but they tie them directly to a source reality that alternate events stem from, and if you change to many events it'll disconnect it's attachment to that reality and all the realities tied to it but not the source reality. Source Realities being major universe they don't want change (like the OG Comics or MCU movies) and they can even bullshit it so that you can't even enter a source reality because it's too powerful or something, and attempting to do so creates a new reality stemming from it. It can even play into the running motif of art the films have and the idea of when an adaptation goes from a copy to an original idea inspired by a source yet can also go on to have it's own copies or inspirations based upon it.
To be fair though, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense within this movie and the previous movie that I can only hope the upcoming second half has a reasonable explanation for.
I remember them saying that canon events *can* happen to every Spidey, not that they WILL happen to every Spidey.
>What I don't like is a joke
>What I like is cool
wew
The entire idea represented a lack of understanding on what Spider-Man is and represents as a character.
the constant is Captain Stacy dying not how he dies you fricking moron.
Absolutely.
Here’s the thing though: Miles as a character can exist without ruining another because Spiderverse 1 showed it. We got a heroic Peter, a Peter growing into the mentor role, and other Spiders who all worked fine.
The problem with Spiderverse 2 was that the writers were so bitter and butthurt that Miles isn’t just accepted as THE Spider-Man that they completed ruined Miles’ momentum by ruining every other Spider they could. 2099 definitely got the biggest hit.
Correct.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/137577445/
If the price of preventing the mass character assassination was to ensure that that Into The Spider-verse was wiped from existence forever. I'll gladly erase him from existence to preserve the actual Spider-Mans
This is the painful bit, it didn't have to be Miles vs all the spiders (though it helps a bit that it's not directly the most iconic ones hunting down miles, but rather cameos and practically OCs). They clearly wanted to get good use out of the Many Spiders thing but honestly I would've preferred spider gang versus multiverse of villains more. Vulture set me up for disappointment. The Miles hate squad is going into overdrive as if he's propped up to be Godking of Spider-Men while [your favorite spider here] is a dumb idiot defeatist loser, but it's not so cut and dry. That said sorta like MCUs civil war there's this awkward clash where to have conflict they want both groups to be half-wrong but heart to win the day or whatever, and it means our loveable heroes (which is everyone) have to act poorly but not outright evilly, and not super maliciously for the stuff that *could* be evil. Miguel wants Miles' dad to die but it's okay because he's got a reason. Miles wants to risk all realities but it's okay because he's a hero and he knows what's right. Hell, Spot is really the only one with a crisp idea on goals and morality but his endgame feels lacking. He wants to be endlessly powerful so he can beat... Some guy in a suit that's already been failing to kick his ass more than he's done to himself. He's already crossed the threshold of Serious Threat and lord knows what he wants after taking out Miles.
Letting people die when you aren't 100% sure that it's necessary is wrong. Telling people to let other people die when you aren't 100% sure it's necessary is wrong. Forcing a person to let their family die when you aren't 100% sure it's necessary is evil.
Every single Spider-Man in the Spider Society did all of this. That's not morally ambiguous, it's wrong.
Anon the first movie has miles existing because a peter died like a b***h, miles CAN’T exist without the death of a peter. Now it seems that that death has to extend to his actual character as written as well
You people are moronic
>"i'll mass reply everyone who thinks my shitty movie is dumb, that will show them!"
You'll never fit in.
With morons? I hope not
Of course not cause you're literally an even bigger moron.
Captain Stacy was planning to die in a future season of Spectacular Spider-Man, but Gwen actually would’ve stayed alive.
Why are you guys acting like Miguel is wrong. Doesn't the fact they brought characters like this in prove he is 100% correct? Like that's the point of using a multiverse in this way, we know who Peter is even your mom knows Spider-Man wouldn't join this society if it wasn't the only way to stop these universes collapsing.
No way the movie just has fricking Spider-Man join a multiversal hitsquad without asking questions morons, no writer is that stupid
Technically it’s not canon to Spectacular so we’re fine
Greg said something?
Not really, this Spider-Man not only just went through the ending of S2, but also George Stacy just died.
If there was more of a space of time between these events, he’d side with Miles.
Dumbass when Peter lost uncle Ben it HARDENED his resolve, it didn't make him a whiny impressionable defeatist b***h
But George Stacy was different. He learned to be a hero because of uncle Ben; he failed to be a hero with George.
Not at all, George died as a hero during a fight where pete was trying to put down another threat. There isn’t a lesson there it was just done for drama with gwen
But Peter doesn't see it that way. He sees it as a failure.
>finally get best animated Parker back
>they ruin him
He wasn’t ruined. This actually makes sense for him to say after how the series ended.
>Best Animated Parker
>Not TAS
Parker is not Superman-lite
TAS Parker is not superman in any shape or form, moron-kun. With fanbase like this, no wonder character-assassinating trash fire like spiderverse can make a bank.
>not superman in any shape or form
my dude, look at how fricking ripped he is
suuuuuuuuuuuuure
I get that argument for Raimi-man but TAS is nothing like Superman
TAS is good, but he suffers from the show's on speed writing where character beats are rushed for the sake of the plot.
Maybe but I still think Christopher Daniel Barnes has THE Spider-man voice.
He's three for me. Keaton is the only one i buy as both teen and adult spidey. Barnes only works for adult.
Romano is cool too
I can't understand morons who can't think Spiderman seeing repercussions of their actions leading to actual doom would instead choose the greater good. Probably the same morons who think Spiderman would hate gay people.
I cannot believe they pulled this gay ass council of ricks shit and normies are eating it up
also reminder
>council of ricks
Trying too hard to fit in casual. Reed Richards had that way before R&M. You'd know that if you actually read some comics and weren't just blindly parroting "haha multiverse bad amirite guys"?
Council of Reeds wasn't a sad joke the way the Council of Ricks and the Spider-Society were
multiverses are only compelling as a joke
its lazy storytelling otherwise and should be done away with
I mean there's nothing saying that Spectacular Gwen and or Raimi Gwen won't die in the future.
I got bad news for you chud
You mean The Galactic Alliance of Spider-Men
no one knows what that is outside of one page that gets posted here
Spectacular Spider-man was 15 years ago. Let it go anon, let it go.
Still the best iteration of the character.
Shut the frick up.
NEVER
damn right
Wonder how that one fan thing is going, had a nice poster.
And they made sure to bring him back long enough to shit on him. Frick off.
Spider-man is an 60 year old character, what of it
yes, and what pisses me off the most is you just know Miles is gonna save his dad and the universe proving them all wrong, which means they made every other Spider-Man a fricking failure all just to prop up Miles.
Maybe if he saves him in the end it will result in death of Gwen instead. Her father is not going to die now, but maybe it's multiverse correcting itself and now Gwen because she fell in love with Miles (who quite often boasts about being one and only Spiderman) will end up dead instead. She may save Miles's father much like Miles did with Indian, but she will end up dead and that will be the moment when it will click for Spiders. It is not the specific events that must happen for Spiderman to exist. It's suffering. It does not matter what tragedy Spiderman goes through and instead it is the act of going through some kind of tragedy and then pushing against it and becoming a greater hero.
What if this is a different Spectacular Spider-Man? What if this is one that somehow got exposed to the multiverse and last his universe. Now he works with Miguel to stop other, world ending events from happening. Theres 1000 Spectacular Spider-Men that never go to the multiverse, because it just simply never happens to him. Those are the ones that risk losing Gwen Stacy still, not one who's entire world is destroyed.
>Was it character assassination?
>YES!!!
That whole movie is a huge waste of time.
Speculator Spider-Man got fricked from having his cheer leader girlfriend because of the Gwen Stacy shit. Despite how Eddie Brook and Flash are implemented into the show.
Yes.
it's not.
canon events are not inherently bad. Peter and Jess both have children and that's why they're on Miguel's side. the movie doesn't "ruin Peter" to prop up Miles despite your insistence tot he contrary.
We know it's you, Bendis.
>no argument
I accept your concession
The multiverse was a mistake. The Depersonalization of Spider-Man was a mistake. The making of the Spider-Man mantle as anything but a cross a man must bear due to his inaction. And most of all making Spider-Man somehow elevated to the point to be a multiversal savior to the point there's a multiverse spanning organization compromised of nothing but Spider-Man, a character hos is repeatedly stated to be STREET LEVEL, the lowest ranking possible, is the biggest mistake of them all. He's a fricker from Queens in a red and blue jumpsuit he salvaged from gym equipment at his shitty high school, not a savior of the super mega ultra universe.
heroes rise above their station
Where's my Capverse? Where's my Ironverse?
>NOT MUH SPIDEY
Shut up, shitstain.
Well, yeah. Slott and all his shit ideas are a mistake.
I hate the multiverse shit, god it's awful
Imagine doing it and spending most of the time wanking off Gwen and Miles. Give me any other Spider version.
I wanted Spider-Ma’am
guess I should give up trying to find any valid dissent about this movie here, everyone outside this hellhole loves the thing but here it's transphobic shitposting and wilful misunderstanding of the plot in every thread. is this the so called better option?
I don't want Gwen to be trans because I want black guys to have children 🙁
There is literally nothing wrong with being transphobic, being a troony is being a dangerous, delusional lunatic that grievously inflicts self injuries upon themselves because they have a head full of bad wiring.
Fricking deal with the cards you're dealt with like the rest of us, what makes them so special they get special protection?
I think its an issue where everywhere else everyone is constantly sucking off this movie and here people just shitpost the same thing. At its core the movie is just a part one, that means it isnt a finished story and thus no element has a real resolution.
Wow, if you say so! I guess Black folk ARE spiderman. Hooray! More shit down my throat mr. israeliteworth, because homosexualmeister 137627908 over there unanimously invalidated any criticism of an overhyped piece of shit.
Keep being myopic, troony, it'll spill into reality one of these days.
>terrible bait
>somehow gets 4 replies
Not (you) for (you) homosexual.
Gwen is trans, why are you mad about Gwen being trans? homosexual
nothing in the movie says such thing.
Trans lighting, she has a protect trans kids flag is so obvious, you need to respect Gwen's identity her gender is nor a vital part of her character, she's valid, her and Miles make a cute queer couple, trans love is beautiful!
her "protect trans kids" flag is just one of solidarity, her character arc is the same as any runaway kid and the taking off the mask moment can serve as an allegory for coming out and it's been done in spider-man before. none of this stuff says Gwen is trans.
People are gonna flip flop on this for a good long while but the "death cult bad" and "multiverse nuke for one dad bad" groups are both going to be silly and wrong until the second movie comes out and picks a landing spot. There's no perfect way to lean because any Spidey thinking "I *must* prevent death because I'm a hero and it's my duty" is ridiculous if they've got solid enough reason to believe that it'll destroy literally everything. That's just stupidity and selfishness and vanity at that point, and after all it's a bit messed up that they wouldn't scratch a multiverse to save, say, a civilian that fell down a manhole or anything. Meanwhile Miles is presumably the good guy because he's willing to try and save everything, having his cake and eating it too, just because he and the Spidies are "Spider-Man" as if that's a failure-safe title. Given he's our protagonist he's probably gonna be right to some degree, or at least get away with it, but then what's the lesson there? People keep b***hing that the spider cult is foolish but honestly they're making the smart move here: what good is heroics and life-saving if the trolley problem slaughters whole universes, starting with whichever one you just "saved" someone in? Anyway both parties are right only as far as what they can actually get away with. The cult is dumb if it turns out you can change fate, Miles and the rebels are dumb if you can't actually prevent canon-breaking.
there's no "heroes on both sides", the Spider-cult is wrong. Miles getting powers from a spider meant for someone else didn't destroy his universe. Hell, Gwen is proof of this since she knows her variants die in every universe but hers. Miguel and the rest of the doomsayers are freaking out about nothing, correlating their tragedies and only do so because they're obsessed with keeping a single version of canonicity. they're just a bunch of idiots overreacting about Miles, but I guess that's the real reason for the piss-takes here.
>"Miles, every Spider-Man has to break a buck at some point. You should've seen what I've done to my universe's Lonnie Lincoln. Not such a "Big Man" after all. It's just a buck Spider-Man is very unusual so better safe than sorry. Don't fight it Miles, just accept it.
No, it was character genocide.
How is it possible to miss the big theme of Spider-Man that hard?
Simple: miss it on purpose.
They are deliberately lying to people, and they eat it up.
What is the big theme of Spider-Man?
I feel like instead of shitting on spidey variants these movies should be more about celebrating them. I liked into the spiderverse when it actually gave the other spidermen time to shine instead of just Miles, Peter and Gwen.
I honestly thought this movie would have been about Miguel and his shockin shenanigans across multiple spidey universes instead of more miles shit considering how the first movie focused on him
I liked the idea here where Takuya would come in to save the gang from the big bad with Leopardon, and a remix of Kakero Spider-Man and What’s Up Danger would play.
You don't understand, even after the last movie there's still people who don't hail Miles as the One True Spider-Man.
>I feel like instead of shitting on spidey variants these movies should be more about celebrating them.
What, but multiverses and crossovers are *always* about shitting on fan favorites to prop up the new guy
>Cinemaphile wants more spectacular spider-man
>gets upset when they finally get it
Monkey's paw strikes again
Yes it is character assassination on a mass scale because it is a scheme devised by Morlun who is disguised as Miguel, he is killing all spidermen by killing their values disguised as upholding canon
>"are you sure you're spiderman?"
>"we're supposed to be funny, you're the only one that's not funny"
>he tries to bite vulture
Yes.
But anything to prop up Miles, so Lord and Miller didn’t care.
No, all the characters are simply variations. Like how movie Miles loves a fat white troony wiener between his ass cheeks.