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i bet she gives amazing handjobs
>Good
> therapist
Pick one
This anon gets it. All clinicians are hucksters.
Fun part in pic related was when he talked to his own therapist about what a bunch of ass clowns his patients were.
I may like to watch that if it functions as an exposé of how scummy therapists are, but watching a clinician denigrate the people who pay them for help doesn't sound like a great time. I'd rather watch that documentary Jonah Hill made about his therapist.
>I may like to watch that if it functions as an exposé of how scummy therapists are,
It doesn't. He's shown as sometimes flawed and struggling with the job but in general casts him in a positive light.
>but watching a clinician denigrate the people who pay them for help doesn't sound like a great time.
It gives him a way to deal with that pressure without it impacting his patients.
>I'd rather watch that documentary Jonah Hill made about his therapist.
Never heard of it but it does sound like it's closer to what you're looking for.
Yeah, your recommendation sounds like something I could not stomach. I'm very heavily biased against clinical practice because of how horrific its maltreatment can be. On a lighter note, In Treatment does look like an effective character study and an entertaining watch for those who do not share in my prejudice.
Stutz is Hill's movie. I haven't seen it yet because of how utterly israeli it looks and because I have no affinity for psychiatry, either. I like Jonah though.
The israeli guy that told Carmela to run for life did nothing wrong.
He was quite possibly the only morally decent person on that show.
Most useless character on the show and weakest part of the show. She’s a plot device so Tony could sit and give his inner dialogue. That’s it.
accidentally, she's actually a great addition
she mind fricked tony and made him worse
also she started him on prozac which caused tony to become even more disinhibited and violent
sopranos is the goat show, and this cow is low key brilliant character
She met a good the-rapist.
>Was she as good the rapist?
In season 1 she was great both as a therapist and as a character, then they decided they didn't like good writing so they stopped doing that
Therapy? That's just a racket for the israelites.
How does she compare to Krista Gordon?
My anal queen
they really tried to force hard that she was a hot/beautiful woman
No. She was a terrible therapist who kept Tony as a patient simply because she found him intriguing. She couldn't even admit it to herself and stayed in denial instead.
There were numerous reasons to ask Tony to see another therapist; his feelings of adoration toward her, the numerous violent crimes he committed, etc. But she didn't because she was selfish and enjoyed being connected to someone powerful and dangerous. Hanging out with Tony and listening to his cool mob stories beats some guy whining about his dead wife for the 20th time.
Basically, it's the equivalent of being Larry David's oncologist and intentionally not curing his cancer completely because you're a huge Curb Your Enthusiasm fan and you love hanging out with him.
i want her to give me therapist oriented femdom JOI
I had to see a therapist who looked like Melfi. It was after a suicide attempt and she threatened to have me put in jail after I was late for an appointment. I sent her mean messages until she threatened to press charges.
>italians
>good at anything
We need to go back to ol' timey racism where we knew they were trash
Italians are white
They're white israelite
And that reminds me, thinking of milfi getting raped by the Hispanic, there's a shit ton of italian pr mixes on the east coast, wonder if it's all puerto rican men raping italian women
It's just Catholics, there were a bunch of Irish-Italians too. Joe Rogan a famous example.
Maybe the first season where she genuinely tried to help Tony and change him for the better. After that she just becomes a plot device for Tony’s exposition
Drinking the alcohol while watching youtube video essays about The Sopranos. It's gonna be a comfy saturday night
One of my coworkers saw a marriage counselor and just found out the therapist killed his wife and kids and then himself a couple of weeks ago.
Being a sociopath is probably the only way someone could be a marriage counselor long term and not let it affect them mentally.
My parents went to one before they got divorced. After the third session he told my dad not to bother with scheduling any more sessions, my mom simply didn't want to be married to anyone so there was nothing he could do. Nice that he didn't try to keep milking them for more money with additional sessions.
>my mom simply didn't want to be married to anyone so there was nothing he could do
Your mom sounds like a b***h.
Yeah, she's quite self centered. Think she married my dad to get out of the tiny farm town they grew up in. Once they were in the big city, had three kids, and my dad was at a good point in his career, she knew she could leave with my siblings and I plus get lots of parting gifts and court ordered support. Not coincidentally, all of us are estranged from her now as adults.
>she knew she could leave with my siblings and I plus get lots of parting gifts and court ordered support
I've never understood why women will make the choice to destroy their own family and yet DEMAND custody of the children. I've never met a single mom who actually wanted to be one after a year or so of actually dealing with it.
I think they usually don't want the man to have them plus the lingering social taboo of a woman abandoning her children (which I think doesn't actually exist anymore)
Those Women are not very smart.
Also I think they plan to get remarried pretty fast.
>plan to
When I was in middle school I planned to be a billionaire at 24 but unfortunately things did not go according to my plan.
Correct.
I was implying they were stabbing themselves in the leg, they just don’t know it.
> I've never met a single mom who actually wanted to be one after a year or so of actually dealing with it.
Selection bias. /You/ only met the poor ones looking for a new man.
If they get the good house for free, and enough alimony to only have to work 20 hours a week, they like it fine.
>If they get the good house for free, and enough alimony to only have to work 20 hours a week, they like it fine.
Do their kids?
Frick you Phil I'm full.
you had three slices and left the crust on all of them so don't give me this "I'm full" bullshit
All therapists are scammers.
They don't care about you, they just want your money. I went to one every week for a few months and was very honest with my problems and all they did in return was recommend books to read. Which is something you really want to hear when you are paying someone hundreds of dollars to help you work out your problems, "Have you ever considered reading a book?"
The best "therapist" I ever spoke to was an old friend of my parents who just told me to take up a hobby, like fishing, and use that time to think through all my problems and determine how to tackle them.
I've had some really awful experiences with them too. The two best "therapists" I've ever talked to were actually not licensed clinicians at all. They were presbyterian ministers, and they were very old men when I saw them. I am not a christian, and these men did not make any attempt to coach me into religious thinking. They were simply attentive and adept in understanding the human experience without filtering their views through diagnosis and pathologization.
Anon, if you got traumatized in therapy, go have a look at r/therapyabuse.
even kids know drugs can't fix a shitty life
A few links to support the anti-psychiatry claim made by the image I posted:
>Psychiatric diagnosis 'scientifically meaningless'
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190708131152.htm
>Impaired mitophagosome–lysosome fusion mediates olanzapine‐induced aging
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10652317/
>No evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin levels, finds comprehensive review
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220720080145.htm
>Quetiapine treatment in the third trimester and neonatal morbidities
https://www.ajogmfm.org/article/S2589-9333(23)00084-8/fulltext
>Antipsychotics Lead to Worse Outcomes in First-Episode Psychosis
https://www.madinamerica.com/2023/12/antipsychotics-lead-to-worse-outcomes-in-first-episode-psychosis/
That's just five links. Antipsychiatry is pretty well developed.
good dubs.
Yes, the wisdom of innocence. could tell you such a thing. But sit them down in front of a "doctor" who explains to them in clinical language that the source of their problems is a "chemical imbalance," then get their parents or guardians to forcefully drug them, and that child's mind will become afflicted. No psychiatrist has ever promoted the chemical imbalance nonsense without committing fraud and medical malpractice. It is a failed hypothesis.
im not in favor of anti-psychiatry but it definitely has some good points
psychiatric drugs harm so many people
I lean heavily toward anti-psychiatry because of what I have experienced and seen psychiatry do. Some of these so-called behavioral health wards are dungeons of abuse. And that's to this day. They still electrocute people's brains. People, kids even, still get trapped and raped in them.
Thomas Szasz offered up what I consider to be a fairly balanced view, even though I don't fully agree with it. His big contention was against forced "treatment." I think that there are some who should be coerced into medical treatment. I just don't consider psychiatry to be medicine. I even think that there are some medications prescribed by psychiatrists which have legitimate medical applications. But psychiatry, as it operates, is not medicine and never has been.
Picrel, Elizabeth Olten, is dead because of psychiatry.
>"Elizabeth Olten" redirects here. Not to be confused with Elizabeth Olsen.
Yes, please take care to not confuse child murder victims with Hollywood celebrities.
are you claiming the older teen killed elizabeth because she was on drugs?
Yes, that is my claim. My claim is specifically that Alyssa would not have been involved in a homicide if not for
>THE GROSS MALPRACTICE OF PSYCHIATRISTS
Psychiatry, not Alyssa Bustamante, is responsible for Elizabeth Olten's murder.
>Psychiatric diagnosis 'scientifically meaningless'
yes, psychiatric diagnosies are mostly just deviations from the average. It's a soft science, dont know what to tell you.
>No evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin levels, finds comprehensive review
The big issue with this study is the overprescription of SSRI's. An overwhelming majority of people diagnosed with Major Depression doesnt have it, they're just sad and miserable, not actually depressed. US health services is as always to blame. That SSRI's have little to no effect at mild to moderate depression is equal to that of taking a walk every day. It's only at the severe levels we see SSRI's actually have an significent effect. This has been known for a long time. tldr; SSRI's doesnt work if you dont have major depression which most people dont.
>https://www.madinamerica.com/2023/12/antipsychotics-lead-to-worse-outcomes-in-first-episode-psychosis/
People with psychotic disorders are known to stop medicating, and the worst part of the paper is that it defines "good outcome" as complete remision and not treatment needed. The biggest psychotic disorder is schizophrenia which is a neurodevelopmental disorder, there is no remission. It's like autism, it's not going to go away.
>Antipsychiatry is pretty well developed.
cope, take your pills before the walls start speaking again.
I'm sorry; your claims have no merit. You even demonstrate that you are incapable or unwilling to parse data.
I kind of do not know what else to tell you. You've clearly bought wholesale into papers which are not based in either science or research. I hope you do not work with children.
>The biggest psychotic disorder is schizophrenia which is a neurodevelopmental disorder, there is no remission.
This is abjectly false. Persistent psychosis is perfectly capable of full and permanent remission. Dangerous drugs prolong dangerous psychosis. Effective treatment eliminates it. You are not educated on this matter.
you dont understand the difference between psychosis and schizophrenia. I'm not going to argue further with and having to explain why papers you havent read are misleading. Because you dont care, you just want to be justified in your own sense of persecution while your medication bottles gather dust on your shelf.
The psychometric test for clinical studies regarding treatment of unipolar depression is the HAMD-17.
The MCID (minimum clinically important difference) on the HAMD-17 is a ~27% score reduction.
The average patient with MDD (major depressive disorder) scores ~22 points on the HAMD-17, so the MCID translates to 0.7 * 22 = ~6 points score difference.
Antidepressants outperform placebos with an effect size of 0.3, which translates to ~2 HAMD-17 points.
Therefore, antidepressants would need to be thrice as effective as they actually are according to clinical research, in order cause the slightest meaningful improvement in the average patient.
The psychometric test for clinical studies regarding treatment of schizophrenia is the PANSS.
The MCID on the PANSS is a ~15-16 point score difference, depending on whether anchor- or distribution-based methods are applied.
Neuroleptics outperform placebo by 9.6 PANSS points in published trials, which however reduce to 7.8 points when adjusting for publication bias.
So, if neuroleptics were twice as effectives as current clinical research suggest they are, they would just produce the smallest improvement that barely reaches the threshold of clinical importance in the average patient.
Assuming a symmetrical distribution function, neuroleptics are just as likely to cause an exacerbation, albeit not neccessarily a clinically important one, as they are to cause a clinically significant improvement.
My understanding of the difference between what is designate as psychosis and what is designated as schizophrenia is intimate. Neither have medically valid diagnostic criteria. Neither of them have ever been medically valid diagnoses.
>I'm not going to argue further with and having to explain why papers you havent read are misleading
My sentiment toward your ignorant attitude is the same.
>you just want to be justified in your own sense of persecution
It's not about me. It's about children getting raped in hospitals.
>while your medication bottles gather dust on your shelf
I haven't taken hazardous drugs in a long, long time. I am willing to educate you on reliable methods.
schizophrenia is most definitely not a neurodevelopmental disorder
she looked so nice and warm and soft, I feel like it would be heaven to just cuddle with her
the rapist?
i was so pissed that Tony didn't arrange a gruesome murder for the rapist. they made it seem like he was gonna find out what happened and take care of the problem.
>namegay
>moronic opinion
Pottery
I had my name on for an "It's Pat" thread, just bragging that my name is Pat
-Pat
I've had a therapist legit laught at me cause I said I thought I was a good person. she said good people dont drive intoxicated. shes right i guess but i was just trying to feel better about my miserable life so she could have criticized me in a more productive way. I had to see her once because of court conditions
Ooh poor you
yeah my life sucks thanks for the sympathy
at least someone is getting joy out of my existence
>2nd person
What the frick is wrong with you homosexuals?
Based therapist, I'm laughing at you too.
I had a therapist laugh at me because I told him I wanted to kill myself because my wiener balls and anus have hurt ever since I got sodomized and tortured when I was an adolescent. I'm not intending to one-up your account. It's just an additional illustration of clinical malpractice. A so-called helper has no business inviting a paying client to be vulnerable, only to mock them.
snort mercury
Ooh poor you
overdose on haloperidol
>Good people don't become therapists
If she's going to see things as black and white then you should have thrown it right back in her c**t face
>I've had a therapist legit laught at me cause I said I thought I was a good person. she said good people dont drive intoxicated.
lmao based
I thoroughly enjoy driving intoxicated and do it every Friday when I leave work from my job teaching special ed kids how to read and write.
Your dipshit therapist might have been a one-dimensional NPC but most people are multifaceted and are capable of good and bad things and I would expect someone in her position to know that. Then again, there's a reason she's a court-ordered therapist and not one at a private practice that people would actually seek out and voluntarily spend time and money on. The only way someone would actually go see a therapist that shitty is if they were forced to.
>I thoroughly enjoy driving intoxicated and do it every Friday when I leave work from my job teaching special ed kids how to read and write.
>LOOK AT ME MOMMY
lmao
I don't get it, what are you trying to say here?
drink up and go for a drive moron
I just had four beers and I'm going to the store to get a pack of smokes now, homosexual. Try to stop me. Maybe when you become of legal age you can enjoy adult beverages responsibly like I do.
You're probably a high-schooler who just left an assembly about drunk driving. Unless you're
>OBLITERATED drunk to the point where you shit your pants
>live in a town with a bunch of fully-funded and bored police officers who pull people over randomly
>just a shitty driver when you're sober
you won't get pulled over or hurt yourself or anyone else by driving "impaired".
you're spelling is fine you should drink some more
You're probably right
Also, you should have said *your*
i hope you miss everybody on your way and drive into a fricking wall.
I won't, gay. Sorry you're an uptight prick who hates good clean fun. Based on your spelling not only am I a better driver drunk than you are sober, but I'm smarter than you too.
Are you telling us that you spend your Fridays getting drunk while you lecture speds on how English works?
And math too, I guess.
It's not like they're gonna call you out for acting just like them.
My job is fun as frick.
ngl I can neither condone hazardous driving nor drunkenly ranting at moronic children, but in all honesty your setup sounds like a blast.
>Be me
>Work in my old high school taking care of morons all day
>Put alcohol in my teacher's mug, get roasty toasty every Friday
>Every once in awhile I'll take one or two of my tards out of class and go walk around the school
>Stop by the b***h English teacher's classroom that used to yell at me every day for not agreeing with her leftist opinions and failed me back in 2009
>Let a couple of my morons in there
>"Let's go say hi to our favorite teacher, kids!"
>They disrupt class and start stealing kids' backpacks and yelling
>One shit himself last week and stunk up her entire room
>c**t teacher can't do anything but pretend it's fine and smile
>Glares at me as I leave
>Much like the Viet Cong, we disappear back into the hallways as quickly as we came
>Subtly reward them with candy after every outing
>They're now conditioned to want to go see this teacher and bust into her class and hug her whenever possible
>She hates it and loathes me even more now than she did 15 years ago
I'll say it again, I love my job
>Put alcohol in my teacher's mug, get roasty toasty every Friday
comfy
>Every once in awhile I'll take one or two of my tards out of class and go walk around the school
bold
>Stop by the b***h English teacher's classroom that used to yell at me every day for not agreeing with her leftist opinions and failed me back in 2009
based
>"Let's go say hi to our favorite teacher, kids!"
>They disrupt class and start stealing kids' backpacks and yelling
>One shit himself last week and stunk up her entire room
>c**t teacher can't do anything but pretend it's fine and smile
based
>Glares at me as I leave
zozzle
>Much like the Viet Cong, we disappear back into the hallways as quickly as we came
gigabased
>Subtly reward them with candy after every outing
King of morons
>They're now conditioned to want to go see this teacher and bust into her class and hug her whenever possible
>She hates it and loathes me even more now than she did 15 years ago
Godspeed, anon.
I sense you know about the logistics of driving drunk. It's a skill which can be honed. Try not to overdo it, lest you kill somebody. The risk is ever-present, regardless of intoxication. Cars are literal killing machines. I don't mean to be pedantic. Carry on is what I'm saying. Take care!
Therapy being a total fraud is a big theme in the show.
Janice's therapist is essentially her feminist buttbuddy telling her what she wants to hear.
Kind of the same thing with Meadow in her one therapy scene.
Melfi is completely ethically inconsistent and quite frankly - pretty fricking useless as far as her session with Tony go.
Melfi's therapist is also a total douchebag, and when he puts pressure on her to stop treating Tony, he basically proves that therapy itself is a sham, and just uses peer pressure to do it. Proving that shaming someone publicly is much more efficient than 1 to 1 conversation about feelings.
AJ and Tony just wanted to frick their therapists, which is why they even bothered coming.
The only 'good' therapist is the israelite that Carmella gets sent to, and he's 'good' precisely because he REFUSES to partake in the sham that therapy really is, and just tells bluntly in 3 minutes that she's a pathetic human being and should change her ways, instead of coddling or trying to "treat" her over a prolonged period of time.
In general, the verdict is pretty clear, and Livia's statement about it being a racket for the israelites is very accurate, both in reality and in the context of the show, i'm sure D.Chase is speaking from experience here.
He wasn't a therapist he was a Rabbi, a spiritual leader.
>Was she a good therapist?
no such thing. You have bad ones and OK ones.
Go to your priest, not a therapist
But Tony's priest was clearly attempting to frick his wife
some therapists will try to frick you too. You get bad apples in every profession.
My gf has a pair of lesbian friends that met because one was the other's therapist. Obviously she had to resign from her job once people found out. They got married and have kids and they're nice people...
...but I don't see how you could date your therapist, especially when she helped you "discover" your sexuality. I'd always be worried that I was somehow tricked or manipulated into the relationship or got taken advantage of at a low point in my life. It just seems unethical and immoral on their part, not just professionally, but as a person that another human being relied on for acceptance and help.
I mean, I don't believe you can trick someone into liking you. Just being around someone long enough can lead to attraction and I imagine dating as a lesbian is hard since its rare to find other lesbians to date.
She wasn't a lesbian when she walked into her now wife's office and now she is. With her therapist. Seems fishy to me.
Also I have personally tricked several women into fricking me by simply lying about who I was, nitpicking their insecurities, and downplaying my less awesome traits, so yes, it's very possible.
God that’s so hot, imagine grooming a broken women into your lick servent.
Trick might be the wrong word, but there are relationships that would have happened if you played the game better thst failed.
There are relationships that could have worked if you just faked it long enough.
There is nothing natural about a relationship where it just happens if they like you
>God that’s so hot, imagine grooming a broken women into your lick servent.
It would be super hot if they were hot but alas, I was disappointed when I met them because they were like 3x my weight. Interracial couple too, so we had potential for some great kino but it's all wasted by them stuffing their fat frick faces with cake instead of each other's pussies.
Honesty I think over the hill women have paired off since the Middle Ages, they just didn’t call it lesbianism. Living alone is super hard when you start to get old and have problems, you would see these spinster roommates all the time, often sisters.
They know they will never find a man they will be happy with, but they want something
I’ve said this before. I got a B.S in psychology and regret it. It’s a joke and should not even be considered a science. They can’t replicate any of their major studies. They lied for decades that depression was caused by low serotonin. Now been proven that’s bullshit. Antidepressants are barely above a placebo. They work for some people but they have no idea why. And side effects to them
are awful. Never take them. Ever. Cognitive behavioral therapy which only “scientifically”‘backed talk therapy is just stoicism with a different name.
no. therapy is a junk science. the value they add is the value someone gets from talking to a rational friend.
Only part I see beneficial from talk therapy is if you want to talk about shot that’s very personal and don’t want any family or friends throwing in your face later. This why before israelites destroyed Catholicism, you’d go talk to your priest
What I don’t get is, why didn’t Tony go to a priest to talk about his shit? Like how Matt Murdock does in DD. They’re Italian Catholic so wouldn’t he do that first?
I doubt preists have the time for long sessions. They have other shit to do and you can't expect them to spend an hour a day with each person. You'd get a lot of people wanting their services as well.
But he’s Tony Soprano. They all know who he is. Sure could pull out his wad of cash and make a “nice” donation to the church for their time
well I imagine preists are more for personal problems. Tony was having blackout problems which was assumed to be a physical problem, which a psychiatrist is more an expert on.
I cannot speak for priests, but I can say from experience that there are protestant pastors willing to devote a lot of time to talk sessions.
yeah but they had the whole congregation wanting free therapy then they physically wouldn't be able to service everyone. It's more of they'll help you out as long as nobody else needs help.
I don't think my experience aligns with yours.
I'm just saying that if you have 50 people in your small church and they all want therapy, 1 hour a week, there's not enough time to do all that plus other church duties.
That's fair.
there is no such thing as a good ~~*therapist*~~
Don't target therapists with racism. Target them with scientific evidence!
Target them.
She got worse as David Chase lost interest in the centrality of her character; Melfi seemed to get bored of Tony the same way the writers got bored of writing for her.
I think show would’ve been bettter off if they ditched her after season 2 and found another creative way of Tony venting his inner dialogue
Like what? Being a rat and giving briefings to his handler?
A priest. We could’ve gotten more into what hypocrites they are as “catholics”
No. Women can't be therapists to men because they can't see anything from the perspective of anyone else, can't understand reason or accountability and have no conception that there could be anything in life that cannot be gained or avoided by either whining, crying, whoring or lying.
I can’t stress this enough.
She was a terriable therapist,
She was an old school “let them talk” therapist.
Those types are useless.
The only type of therapy that works is
Cognitive behavioral therapy.
The way CBT works is you set goals, “I want a job” “I want a gf” and once you reach them you stop therapy.
CBT is all about changing your thought patterns, there are actually workbooks you can do. You don’t just sit in a chair for 1 hour,
It will also develop skills, if you are too shy to ask for things the therapist will walk with you into a store. Real practical skill building.
You can sit it a therapist like OP for 30 years having them ask you “how does that make you feel” and get no where
>We will never see Don Draper in therapy
The therapy gimmick would have worked a lot better on Mad Men. It was useless on The Sopranos
middle of the road
How did she look so old and gross in Goodfellas, yet looks like prime milf mature in Sopranos?
SHES A HOO-AH
Image taking advice from post wall women