was the lobotomy real? I've heard everyone debate this movie if it's it's real or a dream but the lobotomy angle part always stuck out to me as weird. how would the memories lobotomize you?
was the lobotomy real?
was the lobotomy real? I've heard everyone debate this movie if it's it's real or a dream but the lobotomy angle part always stuck out to me as weird. how would the memories lobotomize you?
I thought it was because the machine fricked up and deleted your mind
he's not in the machine for more than a few minutes though. It just implants the memory and then you go home. They seem to imply that it's like a vr thing but that's not how it works.
I thought that guy's angle was Arnold was stuck in the machine. They were trying to wake him up by sending him in. If he was telling the truth Arnold would "wake up" from the machine. I don't remember if they said the memories themselves would lobomotize him or being forced to wake up from the machine would lobomotize him.
I always took as a rumor from his coworker and nothing more. It doesn't make sense to kill every client interested in a vacation, where's the business in that?
he had an embolism. He was off script and the machine was fricking up his mind but they couldn't pull him out so he needed to come out himself. This wasn't a normal occurrence.
It's clearly left open for interpretation.
no need to be rude
The memories aren’t what’s lobotomizng him. It’s the process of implanting them, which has malfunctioned.
I personally think it was all a dream and the ending is him succumbing.
If it was a dream why was this guy sweating bullets when Arnold put a gun to his head
1. He might be genuinely concerned for this man’s life. Quaid’s life depended on the guy being convincing. I’d be nervous if a client’s life was in my hands.
2. It’s bad for business if your product kills people. There are lawsuits, investigations, bad press. The guy is facing a lot of pressure from his employers to save this guy.
why not send like something in that's obviously not real like a talking anime girl to tell him to wake up?
Do they have that ability? They’re obviously not fully in control of the simulation, it’s going haywire. If they could control if they’d just make him imagine a nice white room with a voice telling him it was to wake up
>"nice try butthole"
>blasts a hole in your bullshit padded room and continues kino mission
3. It could be a figment of Quaid's imagination in order to justify the 'reality' of his own descent into fantasy---after all it's Quaid himself who immediately sees that as the unequivocal justification he was seeking in order to pull the trigger.
Commentary anon here. That's pretty much Verhoeven's explanation as well. Good call.
Because he is a fatty.
>how would the memories lobotomize you?
I don't remember the exact quote, it might have just been kind of metaphorical (i.e. "You'll be fricked up, as if you had been lobotomized").
Anyway none of it is real, because the entire plot is told to the main character as the memory implantation is happening, including linking up with the resistance and saving Mars by activating a machine.
>If it was a dream why was this guy sweating bullets when Arnold put a gun to his head
Because Arnold's desire to stay in the dream is starting to assert itself so strongly that it's overriding the experience.
The guy explains he's not really there, it's a construct, something inserted into the memory.
The man isn't dreaming himself, Arnold is dreaming him.
>guy sweats one bead of sweat while he has a gun pointed at him
>this means he’s lying
The point was that, if it was really a dream, there’s no need to be nervous
Also why would the guy dream himself sweating?
No, if it's a dream Quaid it was Quaid's dream, and Quaid could've dreamed the guy sweating. See
I'm actually listening to the commentary as I write this and Verhoeven is adamant it can be read as either a delusion or a real adventure Quaid undergoes. Seems he went through lots of pains to that end.
How did they frick up such a simple story?
For a second I thought you were asking if they lobotomized the actor in real life for this scene.
I subscribe to the theory that everything, including the scenes before he goes to rekall, is implanted.
Interdasting. Why even the scenes beforehand?
his wife and job don't make any sense, the mars lore is shown before he goes to rekall
Arnold's rockin body explains the construction job and the smoking hot wife though
I feel that there's no logic in trying to deduce whether or not it's real since the intention was to make the viewer feel both possibilities are equally likely.
The point of the movie is that Arnold doesn't care if it's real anymore.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me instead of a frontal lobotomy
I'm machine
I'm obsolete
In the land of the free
Lobotomy
>"Blue skies over Mars? That's a NEW one."
The tech says this when they are loading Quaid into the machine the first time. The entire movie from that point forward is in his head. Either we are experiencing the memory along with him or the NEW program is fricked and he is fricked.
He also selects melina from the options and the movie shows her on the tv screen in rekall
However, it could be argued that Quaid/howser selects that exact package because he was subconsciously remembering parts of his past.
Why would implanted memories involve scenes of other characters interacting without Quaid? Why would Rekall create a storyline where implanted memories don't take because there's already implanted memories there and the company dump his body somewhere to avoid dealing with him?
>Why would implanted memories involve scenes of other characters interacting without Quaid?
im with you kek
It's your mind filling-in context post-hoc. It's like real dreaming; One theory towards the narrative in dreams is that honestly when you're experiencing it in REM sleep, it is literally random crap, flying at you from every which way with only loose connections, but through waking up, your logical mind stitches it all together as a narrative. A series of events. Even when you TELL the story of your dream it is usually disjointed and weird, but to you, the dreamer, you sense that there was a connection or flow. When to the listener (nobody likes hearing dreasm described to them) it's just [random crap] and then I felt like [other random crap] was like flowing into this [random crap]. You are post-hoc adding the context and rationale. You DID add the rationale and reasoning in the transition from REM to wakefulness, without trying. You didn't set out to add/create context. You just did automatically.
The lobotomy isn't being done BY the figments.
>how would the memories lobotomize you?
They're not lobotomizing you. You know you're being lobotomized and adding context without trying or meaning to.
nah I had a dream last night with content all clearly downstream from a narrative I was stitching together inside the dream as I went along
You never read Dick?
It's a artificial memory/dream of an adventure implanted into the mind of a bored white collar worker by his own request. Kinda like a travel vacation without leaving your home.
Bro, yes. That's what the movie is about. Have you not seen it?
yeah and when the movie ends he wakes up from his dream vacation and goes back to his job.
why does this confuse people.
I read the story this is based on and I wish I didn't.
>little alien fella walks out
the craziness really did turn up a notch the moment he shot this guy
no. The movie is literally just his vacation.
>melt ice
>Mars now has an atmosphere
Of course it was all in his mind.
yea also the Martian atmosphere wouldn't suck your eyeballs out and make your head almost explode. you would just suffocate like you were in a stale cave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_oxygen
This, there are like a number of things that deliberately don't make sense.
Like they aren't just loopholes or like bad writing, they're like "This is a dream" levels of inconsistent.
Why would Benny (I think that was his name?) suddenly flub that line about how many kids he has, when he's said it like nine hundred times already?
It's been a long time since I watched the movie, but there's a lot of shit like that.