No it was for people who:
A: Want to call themselves a "comic fan" without ever having read any comics
B: Want to feel smart because they like a movie with a meta narrative
It's made for people who like the "idea" of Spider-Man but don't actually know anything about him.
I can't blame them. If they knew anything about Pete's media for the last two decades they'd want out.
It’s not even that though, it’s made for people who like the costumes eyes and that’s about it. You can feel the disdain for peter as a character and concept throughout the movies
Peter was always a family minded guy. He’d go into a relationship with the intent to marry and have children. He always wanted kids. MJ was the one with the issues when it came to marriage and having a family.
Peter was always a family minded guy. He’d go into a relationship with the intent to marry and have children. He always wanted kids. MJ was the one with the issues when it came to marriage and having a family.
Peter got shit on in the movies but objectively his life is a lot better than most of the other spider people.
I don't see how he was shit on in the movie. The film doesn't outright say he's "the one true Spider-Man" but he's the coolest and most competent. He's the only one that's able to catch up to Miles when everybody is chasing him, which he does while carrying a baby. And I've seen a lot seething about Miles successfully leading all the other Spiders away and "humiliating Peter," but how was that humiliating for him? He's proud of Miles the entire time and keeps bragging "I taught him that!" Like, its a personal success to him. If Peter wanted to stop Miles and bring him back to Spider-HQ he could have, seemingly more than any of the other Spiders, but he didn't want to because Miles is his friend.
Even in the first movie they show that Peter B. is more competent than the "more successful" 1610 Peter. And women on social media spent years talking about hot his "dad bod" was.
It’s not even Cinemaphile, just a handful of spazzy autistic Miles haters. They can’t stand that it did well even though it’s unironically treating Peter better than Marvel editorial has done the last 30 years.
>They can’t stand that it did well even though it’s unironically treating Peter better than Marvel editorial has done the last 30 years.
Yeah its insane to me this board saw Peter happily married with a daughter in ATSV and can't stop seething about him somehow being "cucked" instead. I guess racism trumps all that.
Yeah any fan of Spider-Man should love to see Peter as an irresponsible manchild that needs Miles to straighten him out into responsibility and inspire him to frick MJ, only so he could constantly endanger their child. Also to see Peter spit on Uncle Ben repeatedly, that's also great.
Pretty much. The mental gymnastics these types have to do like
Yeah any fan of Spider-Man should love to see Peter as an irresponsible manchild that needs Miles to straighten him out into responsibility and inspire him to frick MJ, only so he could constantly endanger their child. Also to see Peter spit on Uncle Ben repeatedly, that's also great.
here to justify why they hate it and why it’s just as bad as 30 years of OMD, keeping him a baby faced manchild with no real prospect of growing up and as of recent the Paul shit is wild. All because they would rather have nothing than maybe accept that Miles isn’t the reason why Pete’s gotten the shit end of the stick. I dunno, it’s moronic like a lot of things people say about these movies here.
>All because they would rather have nothing than maybe accept that Miles isn’t the reason why Pete’s gotten the shit end of the stick.
I didn't realize that's what they thought. It makes a lot more sense now.
Yeah it's insane people don't love Peter Parker telling a kid that his father should die despite holding a child in his own hand. Milestrannies are so smart
It's really weird how Miles skipped over the obvious comparison of asking Peter what he would do if Miguel told him he has to let Mayday die as a canon event and went for uncle Ben instead
No need to project so hard Milestrannie. It's out of character for Peter to suggest that a kid should let their father die despite being a father himself. It goes against his character. The movie's logic is dumb and he should have chosen a different way.
"Several different universes" you mean several different crappy projects or you're badly misinterpreting something. Don't speak of them as if they are real, that's a grooming method
I don't see how he was shit on in the movie. The film doesn't outright say he's "the one true Spider-Man" but he's the coolest and most competent. He's the only one that's able to catch up to Miles when everybody is chasing him, which he does while carrying a baby. And I've seen a lot seething about Miles successfully leading all the other Spiders away and "humiliating Peter," but how was that humiliating for him? He's proud of Miles the entire time and keeps bragging "I taught him that!" Like, its a personal success to him. If Peter wanted to stop Miles and bring him back to Spider-HQ he could have, seemingly more than any of the other Spiders, but he didn't want to because Miles is his friend.
Even in the first movie they show that Peter B. is more competent than the "more successful" 1610 Peter. And women on social media spent years talking about hot his "dad bod" was.
Are you guys just now realizing that culture war shitposts from literal third-worlders and the dumbest angriest tweens available aren't intellectually honest?
I just love watching them wince and wiggle like worms when majority of the people in their threads call them a moron and they frick off to make another thread crying about the same thing it's been happening for months now
Btw has anyone heard about the new Miguel comic that was delayed?
I just love watching them wince and wiggle like worms when majority of the people in their threads call them a moron and they frick off to make another thread crying about the same thing it's been happening for months now
Btw has anyone heard about the new Miguel comic that was delayed?
Don't take this shit so seriously anons. Especially in movie threads where it's very obvious that there's buttholes who deliberately take aggressive positions that they don't hold and movie shills trying to start fights for extra attention.
You should appreciate good comics and bad comics you like and not take so much from people acting like morons or people being morons being called morons. This isn't Cinemaphile, you know.
I understand that. Peter Parker has 8 live-action movies 12 film appearances but none of them are perfect. That kind of sounds like I'm making fun of you but I'm really not. Really, that's how I felt about the first movie. I loved it but had a hard time accepting it. I even made a thread on here asking why people were okay with the whole multiple Spider-Man thing. A little odd to think about how most anons were okay with it then but aren't okay with it now. Anyway, I guess I finally got over it in the 5 years it took for the sequel to come out and I really enjoyed Miles in this film. A great Peter Parker movie would still be nice someday but I had already began to give up on the idea by the time ITSV came out (one year after Homecoming).
Pretty much. The mental gymnastics these types have to do like [...]
here to justify why they hate it and why it’s just as bad as 30 years of OMD, keeping him a baby faced manchild with no real prospect of growing up and as of recent the Paul shit is wild. All because they would rather have nothing than maybe accept that Miles isn’t the reason why Pete’s gotten the shit end of the stick. I dunno, it’s moronic like a lot of things people say about these movies here.
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Are you guys just now realizing that culture war shitposts from literal third-worlders and the dumbest angriest tweens available aren't intellectually honest?
Why do you people hate black people so much?
Is it because of bad experiences you had with them?
You think Cinemaphile would love this movie if it shat on Spider-Man as an idea to promote JJ Abrams' son's OC self-insert spidersona as the best Spider-Man ever, just because he's white? Get a grip, twitter's culture war has damaged your brain, go for a walk, get some fresh air
>"What makes you guys think they hate Peter?" >get offered to do a Spider-Man movie >say no (#1) >actually say yes if you can make it about another Spider-Man >not Mayday the real legacy who's the only female Marvel character with a 100 issue run (#2) >not Miguel the decades old fan favorite who did everything right and whose initial sales were higher than ASM's right now (#3) >you'll only do it if it's about Bendis' "Spider-Man but black" that's only 3 years old at this point with no stories whatsoever and with terrible sales (#4) >kill off a Peter Parker in the movie to make way for Miles, destroy his headstone for a joke, have his MJ attend his killer's dinner party, have Miles celebrate the killer's accomplice with a mural, have everyone forget about him because there's now a new Spider-Man because that's seemingly the only thing that matters about Peter (#5) >to train Miles, add another Peter Parker who's a washed up irresponsible Rick Sanchez israeli loser manchild who cheers for Miles to get together with a version of his ex and who's not responsible enough for kids and hates the responsibility quote (#6) >have meeting Miles be the only way for that Peter Parker to realize having kids with MJ is a good idea even though he always loved the idea of having kids in every adaptation (#7) >have that other Peter Parker be fine with the idea of a multiverse destiny requiring Spider-Men ensure the deaths of certain people in every universe to the point he avoids visiting Miles so he doesn't have to tell him, then have him try to convince Miles to let his dad die, so Miles can be the person that makes him realize not saving people is a bad thing (#8) >have that Peter Parker imply he wouldn't save Uncle Ben given the chance because Ben dying made him into Spider-Man (#9)
>have him bring his infant daughter along on dangerous missions to the point MJ asks him if he brought Mayday to a fight *again* at the end of the movie, he lies to her and then takes her to another fight again (#10) >turn ASM into some sort of morbid multiversal pattern every Spider-Man has to follow or the universe explodes, even though such repetitive storytelling wasn't the case even for Peter's adaptations let alone the rest who are wildly different barring Miles who is a cheap copycat yet is given the narrative position of being the sole exception (#11) >make all the alternate Peters into faceless obedient mooks ignoring their own universes so they can hang out at McSpider-Man's and go to a Spider-Therapist who mocks them about Uncle Ben's death and get beaten and outran by Miles in his first year of tenure trying to stop him from saving his dad (#12) >have every alt Spider-Man that actually gets focus and characterization a non-Peter Parker, have Peter B be the only one that's never in full suit or called "Spider-Man", have Peter B meekly accept Jessica talking down to him while trying to defend Gwen (#13) >write such a contrived meta fatalistic shitshow of a plot that makes Peter and his entire mythos look like a bad repetitive tired joke only so Miles the copycat can seem like a fresh new thing to the public despite being the most shameless ripoff of all the other alternate versions for no apparent reason (#14)
Wow over a dozen quality critical flaws and failings that showcase their hatred for Peter and the IP when usually one would be valid grounds for that accusation, I think that should be enough
>say no (#1) >If you don't want to do a movie about a character with the most solo movies already you hate them
??? God forbid creatives have their own ideas and wants that aren't fed to them by corporate. This is like claiming the batman beyond creators hate Bruce because they didn't make the show about Bruce or any of the many existing bat family members. But no one ever says that because most people aren't this moronic.
>??? God forbid creatives have their own ideas and wants that aren't fed to them by corporate.
A couple of problems with this premise:
1. Miles isn't their idea, it's Bendis'
2. Spider-Verse isn't their idea, it's from Spider-Man (1994) and a Peter storyline
3. Miles isn't an original idea, he's Spider-Man but black
4. Miles is as corporate as it comes, inspired by Obama's election, created to fulfill a diversity quota, his existence is pushed and supported by avatars of "corporate evil", mega investment funds and asset managers
5. Miles and the multiverse in the case of this trilogy exist to support Sony's claim on the IP movie rights (and nothing else) by making it a franchise they can milk with minimum effort simply by making "Spider-Man but X"
>This is like claiming the batman beyond creators hate Bruce because they didn't make the show about Bruce or any of the many existing bat family members.
Not quite, because the creators of Batman Beyond have already adapted basically all you could adapt about Bruce and his many existing bat family members at the time with BTAS and TNBA and then invented something new from scratch to continue making Batman stories since they love him, meanwhile with Spider-Verse the creators never made anything Spider-Man related ever before, decided to skip the tons of never adapted iconic Spider-Man stories, the various Spider-Man legacy characters with actual fans and stories, didn't invent anything new, and instead adapted Spider-Man's origin *yet again* (the most commonly adapted Spider-Man story in mainstream media like movies) with a Spider-Verse backdrop (existing Peter story). Also Bruce plays a large role in BB.
If the Spider-Verse story by itself is novel enough to count as "creative", then they could've adapted it with Peter or any other Spider-Man, yet they first said they'll only do a movie if it's about Miles, and that they'll make it about the multiverse so Miles' existence isn't questioned by the audience.
>1. Miles isn't their idea, it's Bendis'
Yes, but the plot of the trilogy is their idea and it's one they didn't wish to do with Peter as the central spider. >2. Spider-Verse isn't their idea, it's from Spider-Man (1994) and a Peter storyline
Comic spider-verse is different movie spider-verse in terms of plot and we both know it >Miles isn't an original idea, he's Spider-Man but black
Reductive. You can call a lot of Spider-People "Spider-Man but X" >his existence is pushed and supported by avatars of "corporate evil", mega investment funds and asset managers
So is Peter? Are you trying to say the character with a *Disney* trilogy and that the Sony execs initially asked for isn't pushed by Corporate? > Miles and the multiverse in the case of this trilogy exist to support Sony's claim on the IP movie rights (and nothing else) by making it a franchise they can milk with minimum effort simply by making "Spider-Man but X"
Based on what? Why was so much love and effort put into animating an entire trilogy when Sony only wanted a quick Peter cashgrab to hold onto the IP? > because the creators of Batman Beyond have already adapted basically all you could adapt about Bruce
You're telling me there wasn't a SINGLE Bruce story left? Do you think the execs didn't want Bruce when they asked for "Batman in high school"? >decided to skip the tons of never adapted iconic Spider-Man stories,
This is the most bizarre point of your entire post IMO. Why do they HAVE TO make adaptations of pre-existing content before they do anything else? They had a story idea so they made it, there's zero moral obligation to spend years on putting an existing story on screen first. >hen they could've adapted it with Peter or any other Spider-Man,
Yeah, and they chose Miles. By your own logic if they used say, Miguel as their protagonist that would also mean they hate Peter because they could have used Peter instead.
>??? God forbid creatives have their own ideas and wants that aren't fed to them by corporate.
A couple of problems with this premise:
1. Miles isn't their idea, it's Bendis'
2. Spider-Verse isn't their idea, it's from Spider-Man (1994) and a Peter storyline
3. Miles isn't an original idea, he's Spider-Man but black
4. Miles is as corporate as it comes, inspired by Obama's election, created to fulfill a diversity quota, his existence is pushed and supported by avatars of "corporate evil", mega investment funds and asset managers
5. Miles and the multiverse in the case of this trilogy exist to support Sony's claim on the IP movie rights (and nothing else) by making it a franchise they can milk with minimum effort simply by making "Spider-Man but X"
>This is like claiming the batman beyond creators hate Bruce because they didn't make the show about Bruce or any of the many existing bat family members.
Not quite, because the creators of Batman Beyond have already adapted basically all you could adapt about Bruce and his many existing bat family members at the time with BTAS and TNBA and then invented something new from scratch to continue making Batman stories since they love him, meanwhile with Spider-Verse the creators never made anything Spider-Man related ever before, decided to skip the tons of never adapted iconic Spider-Man stories, the various Spider-Man legacy characters with actual fans and stories, didn't invent anything new, and instead adapted Spider-Man's origin *yet again* (the most commonly adapted Spider-Man story in mainstream media like movies) with a Spider-Verse backdrop (existing Peter story). Also Bruce plays a large role in BB.
If the Spider-Verse story by itself is novel enough to count as "creative", then they could've adapted it with Peter or any other Spider-Man, yet they first said they'll only do a movie if it's about Miles, and that they'll make it about the multiverse so Miles' existence isn't questioned by the audience.
I'd add that it's completely valid to not like Miles, but deciding to adapt him is not evidence of hating Peter.
Desu, I'd make a 2000s throwback era Spider-Girl movie. Complete with soundtrack and technology being like flipphones and early internet.
two plot threads becoming one >the last days of Spider-Man and the death of Ben Reily >the return of Spider-Girl
Start it off with Ben Reilly in the webs teaming up with Peter and shaking their hands after beating the bad guys. >cut to a few years later and Peter staring at a news report of pure information overload >armed suspect taking a school this >terrorism on the rise >new supervillains showing up after the lengthy disappearance of Spider-Man >he takes newborn mayday upstairs and into the attic >aunt mays and uncle ben's things lay here dusty >Peter runs a finger across the surface and shakes his head >in the very back of the attic lays a trunk >Peter unclasps the trunk and stares at the spider-man costume undisturbed for years and haphazardly thrown in with the webshooters alongside it >he looks to the side and sees Ben's costume also packed along with it and holds his hand to grasp the limp hand of the costume before letting it go and drop back into the box >Peter holds Mayday up to his face and sees her smiling, ignorant about what happened to her great uncle and uncle >Peter smiles albeit pained with his expression uncertain and embraces his child with Mary Jane climbing up the stairs to find Peter up there and hugs them both from behind >the camera zooms out to reveal Peter's amputated leg and his new artificial replacement
The film would be split into a modified Spider-Man with Ben, Kaine and Peter shenanigans and then flip to the modern day with Mayday discovering her Spider-Powers and fighting her first real supervillains. It be a sort of classic coming of age type deal but have splices of May discovering footage of Peter and her Uncle in action or newspaper clippings to take her back in time before finally asking her father what happened to her uncle and revealing Spider-Man's Last Battle with Osborn
What makes you guys think they hate Peter? And what would you do if you could make a “spider verse” about him?
I'd make Peter an overprotective dad but a cool father, the type zoomers don't have while Mayday is sneaking around trying to be Spider-Girl without her dad knowing. I'd make it a sort of Peter having to let go of his own issues and hang ups worried he'll lose May like he lost Ben Reilly. He'd care a lot for his family
After the first ten minutes of Spider-Man focus though we need to establish >Mayday has to have a charming actor and come across as a likable protagonist focus on her tomboy tendencies but don't underplay the high school drama surrounding her and bring attention to her friend circle >devote time and effort into understanding why May cares about her classmates and her basketball games so when she starts being Spider-Girl and she has issues maintaining them you understand her frustration with her newfound responsibility >Kaine acts as her stern and disproving mentor >his ruthless beatdown of her serving as the biggest lowpoint of the film where he says she isnt prepared to take on the burden of Spider-Man and that better than her people tried and failed >her superhero ally would probably be aloof Darkdevil who slowly grows to have faith in her over the story and finally him and Peter managing to talk Mayday out of her funk >villain roster would probably be Crazy-Eight, Mr. Nobody and Funny Face who are mixed up in a gang war lead by the imprisoned Kingpin and Canis to have their rivalry >allows Mayday to get involved with street level shenanigans
It'd probably be at least clock in at a two hour run time being fair lol but I'd save stuff like April or the return of Spider-Man classic for the sequels.
It would be more or less like little interludes in the story. No more than maybe fifteen or twenty minutes of the film to explore why Peter got into his current state and why he doesn't want Mayday running around as Spider-Girl. I'd probably have some classic comic spreads of the original Clone Saga to explain his origin and call Warren a mad scientist who lied to them both and tried to turn them against each other to massively summarize the plot of Clone Saga.
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Well I meant more of a story about Peter himself, not his daughter
Oh lmao, easy. If This Be My Destiny fully animated into a comic book epic. Nobody has ever really done it, only alluded to it. It is THE Spider-Man Story
Oh like flash back kind of stuff, that works. Personally I think a spider-girl series would work more to flesh these ideas out but a hour and a half movie can do that too
A Spider-Girl series would be ideal but like a movie would get people interested in Mayday as a character.
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That’s true. I’d love to see April in a sequel when maday feels confident as spider-girl or something like that. Also, isn’t there a madame web movie getting made?
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I'd make Peter an overprotective dad but a cool father, the type zoomers don't have while Mayday is sneaking around trying to be Spider-Girl without her dad knowing. I'd make it a sort of Peter having to let go of his own issues and hang ups worried he'll lose May like he lost Ben Reilly. He'd care a lot for his family
After the first ten minutes of Spider-Man focus though we need to establish >Mayday has to have a charming actor and come across as a likable protagonist focus on her tomboy tendencies but don't underplay the high school drama surrounding her and bring attention to her friend circle >devote time and effort into understanding why May cares about her classmates and her basketball games so when she starts being Spider-Girl and she has issues maintaining them you understand her frustration with her newfound responsibility >Kaine acts as her stern and disproving mentor >his ruthless beatdown of her serving as the biggest lowpoint of the film where he says she isnt prepared to take on the burden of Spider-Man and that better than her people tried and failed >her superhero ally would probably be aloof Darkdevil who slowly grows to have faith in her over the story and finally him and Peter managing to talk Mayday out of her funk >villain roster would probably be Crazy-Eight, Mr. Nobody and Funny Face who are mixed up in a gang war lead by the imprisoned Kingpin and Canis to have their rivalry >allows Mayday to get involved with street level shenanigans
It'd probably be at least clock in at a two hour run time being fair lol but I'd save stuff like April or the return of Spider-Man classic for the sequels.
Well I meant more of a story about Peter himself, not his daughter
Eh, I won't stop liking what I like just because morons got a hold of it.
That’s true. I’d love to see April in a sequel when maday feels confident as spider-girl or something like that. Also, isn’t there a madame web movie getting made?
I think so, I thought originally it was gonna be like Silk, Ghost-Spider and Jessica Drew but who knows with the strikes going on. Kraven looks moronic >he isnt a big game hunter >he is friend to animals and fighting eviiiil poachers
I wonder if he is even Russian in current year because his whole fleeing Russian nobleman was hugely important to his characterization as proud and haughty.
Yes, and Mexicans
No it was for people who:
A: Want to call themselves a "comic fan" without ever having read any comics
B: Want to feel smart because they like a movie with a meta narrative
>Was this excessively made for people who hate spider-man?
Dumbass we've already had this thread before.
Why don't you just explain to yourself why you hate this movie.
>Twitter DB Spice getting uppity
Go back
coward
>coward
What the frick are you talking about? Calling you a Twitter browsing DB Hispanic was my first post
>Twitter
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No. Just because Twitter is a troony now doesn't mean I have to indentify it as something that it isn't.
It's made for people who like the "idea" of Spider-Man but don't actually know anything about him.
I can't blame them. If they knew anything about Pete's media for the last two decades they'd want out.
It’s not even that though, it’s made for people who like the costumes eyes and that’s about it. You can feel the disdain for peter as a character and concept throughout the movies
>You can feel the disdain for peter as a character and concept throughout the movies
You should, unironically, have a nice day. You're too far gone.
Peter was always a family minded guy. He’d go into a relationship with the intent to marry and have children. He always wanted kids. MJ was the one with the issues when it came to marriage and having a family.
Then why did he not go after Gwen?
The directors were offered a Spider-Man movie and initially said no
They’d only do it if they could make it about Miles.
Peter got shit on in the movies but objectively his life is a lot better than most of the other spider people.
I don't see how he was shit on in the movie. The film doesn't outright say he's "the one true Spider-Man" but he's the coolest and most competent. He's the only one that's able to catch up to Miles when everybody is chasing him, which he does while carrying a baby. And I've seen a lot seething about Miles successfully leading all the other Spiders away and "humiliating Peter," but how was that humiliating for him? He's proud of Miles the entire time and keeps bragging "I taught him that!" Like, its a personal success to him. If Peter wanted to stop Miles and bring him back to Spider-HQ he could have, seemingly more than any of the other Spiders, but he didn't want to because Miles is his friend.
Even in the first movie they show that Peter B. is more competent than the "more successful" 1610 Peter. And women on social media spent years talking about hot his "dad bod" was.
>disdain for peter as a character and concept throughout the movies
You have a victim complex
Love Pete
Loved Spiderverse
Simple as
Shut the frick up, you bigot. It did wonders for trans representation.
But how'd they get spidercide?
>just asking questions
Cinemaphile lost
It’s not even Cinemaphile, just a handful of spazzy autistic Miles haters. They can’t stand that it did well even though it’s unironically treating Peter better than Marvel editorial has done the last 30 years.
>They can’t stand that it did well even though it’s unironically treating Peter better than Marvel editorial has done the last 30 years.
Yeah its insane to me this board saw Peter happily married with a daughter in ATSV and can't stop seething about him somehow being "cucked" instead. I guess racism trumps all that.
Yeah any fan of Spider-Man should love to see Peter as an irresponsible manchild that needs Miles to straighten him out into responsibility and inspire him to frick MJ, only so he could constantly endanger their child. Also to see Peter spit on Uncle Ben repeatedly, that's also great.
Pretty much. The mental gymnastics these types have to do like
here to justify why they hate it and why it’s just as bad as 30 years of OMD, keeping him a baby faced manchild with no real prospect of growing up and as of recent the Paul shit is wild. All because they would rather have nothing than maybe accept that Miles isn’t the reason why Pete’s gotten the shit end of the stick. I dunno, it’s moronic like a lot of things people say about these movies here.
>milesgay has to screw his eyes shut to continue posting his fanfic tier spidercrusade
>All because they would rather have nothing than maybe accept that Miles isn’t the reason why Pete’s gotten the shit end of the stick.
I didn't realize that's what they thought. It makes a lot more sense now.
Miles isn't why Peter isn't allowed to grow up but he's still absolutely part of why modern Spider-Man is so shit
Yeah it's insane people don't love Peter Parker telling a kid that his father should die despite holding a child in his own hand. Milestrannies are so smart
It's really weird how Miles skipped over the obvious comparison of asking Peter what he would do if Miguel told him he has to let Mayday die as a canon event and went for uncle Ben instead
Because it would make Peter look like a sociopath which of course he is in that film.
Peter has chosen the greater good over individuals in several different universes
Cool your breasts
No need to project so hard Milestrannie. It's out of character for Peter to suggest that a kid should let their father die despite being a father himself. It goes against his character. The movie's logic is dumb and he should have chosen a different way.
"Several different universes" you mean several different crappy projects or you're badly misinterpreting something. Don't speak of them as if they are real, that's a grooming method
Are you guys just now realizing that culture war shitposts from literal third-worlders and the dumbest angriest tweens available aren't intellectually honest?
I just love watching them wince and wiggle like worms when majority of the people in their threads call them a moron and they frick off to make another thread crying about the same thing it's been happening for months now
Btw has anyone heard about the new Miguel comic that was delayed?
Don't take this shit so seriously anons. Especially in movie threads where it's very obvious that there's buttholes who deliberately take aggressive positions that they don't hold and movie shills trying to start fights for extra attention.
You should appreciate good comics and bad comics you like and not take so much from people acting like morons or people being morons being called morons. This isn't Cinemaphile, you know.
I liked the movie but I still would’ve preferred one with Peter as the main character
I understand that. Peter Parker has 8 live-action movies 12 film appearances but none of them are perfect. That kind of sounds like I'm making fun of you but I'm really not. Really, that's how I felt about the first movie. I loved it but had a hard time accepting it. I even made a thread on here asking why people were okay with the whole multiple Spider-Man thing. A little odd to think about how most anons were okay with it then but aren't okay with it now. Anyway, I guess I finally got over it in the 5 years it took for the sequel to come out and I really enjoyed Miles in this film. A great Peter Parker movie would still be nice someday but I had already began to give up on the idea by the time ITSV came out (one year after Homecoming).
You think Cinemaphile would love this movie if it shat on Spider-Man as an idea to promote JJ Abrams' son's OC self-insert spidersona as the best Spider-Man ever, just because he's white? Get a grip, twitter's culture war has damaged your brain, go for a walk, get some fresh air
Are you really interested in discussing this shit or are you just flailing around for new opening posts?
Miles Morales is pushed by people who hate Spider-Man, so yes.
What makes you guys think they hate Peter? And what would you do if you could make a “spider verse” about him?
>"What makes you guys think they hate Peter?"
>get offered to do a Spider-Man movie
>say no (#1)
>actually say yes if you can make it about another Spider-Man
>not Mayday the real legacy who's the only female Marvel character with a 100 issue run (#2)
>not Miguel the decades old fan favorite who did everything right and whose initial sales were higher than ASM's right now (#3)
>you'll only do it if it's about Bendis' "Spider-Man but black" that's only 3 years old at this point with no stories whatsoever and with terrible sales (#4)
>kill off a Peter Parker in the movie to make way for Miles, destroy his headstone for a joke, have his MJ attend his killer's dinner party, have Miles celebrate the killer's accomplice with a mural, have everyone forget about him because there's now a new Spider-Man because that's seemingly the only thing that matters about Peter (#5)
>to train Miles, add another Peter Parker who's a washed up irresponsible Rick Sanchez israeli loser manchild who cheers for Miles to get together with a version of his ex and who's not responsible enough for kids and hates the responsibility quote (#6)
>have meeting Miles be the only way for that Peter Parker to realize having kids with MJ is a good idea even though he always loved the idea of having kids in every adaptation (#7)
>have that other Peter Parker be fine with the idea of a multiverse destiny requiring Spider-Men ensure the deaths of certain people in every universe to the point he avoids visiting Miles so he doesn't have to tell him, then have him try to convince Miles to let his dad die, so Miles can be the person that makes him realize not saving people is a bad thing (#8)
>have that Peter Parker imply he wouldn't save Uncle Ben given the chance because Ben dying made him into Spider-Man (#9)
>have him bring his infant daughter along on dangerous missions to the point MJ asks him if he brought Mayday to a fight *again* at the end of the movie, he lies to her and then takes her to another fight again (#10)
>turn ASM into some sort of morbid multiversal pattern every Spider-Man has to follow or the universe explodes, even though such repetitive storytelling wasn't the case even for Peter's adaptations let alone the rest who are wildly different barring Miles who is a cheap copycat yet is given the narrative position of being the sole exception (#11)
>make all the alternate Peters into faceless obedient mooks ignoring their own universes so they can hang out at McSpider-Man's and go to a Spider-Therapist who mocks them about Uncle Ben's death and get beaten and outran by Miles in his first year of tenure trying to stop him from saving his dad (#12)
>have every alt Spider-Man that actually gets focus and characterization a non-Peter Parker, have Peter B be the only one that's never in full suit or called "Spider-Man", have Peter B meekly accept Jessica talking down to him while trying to defend Gwen (#13)
>write such a contrived meta fatalistic shitshow of a plot that makes Peter and his entire mythos look like a bad repetitive tired joke only so Miles the copycat can seem like a fresh new thing to the public despite being the most shameless ripoff of all the other alternate versions for no apparent reason (#14)
Wow over a dozen quality critical flaws and failings that showcase their hatred for Peter and the IP when usually one would be valid grounds for that accusation, I think that should be enough
>say no (#1)
>If you don't want to do a movie about a character with the most solo movies already you hate them
??? God forbid creatives have their own ideas and wants that aren't fed to them by corporate. This is like claiming the batman beyond creators hate Bruce because they didn't make the show about Bruce or any of the many existing bat family members. But no one ever says that because most people aren't this moronic.
>??? God forbid creatives have their own ideas and wants that aren't fed to them by corporate.
A couple of problems with this premise:
1. Miles isn't their idea, it's Bendis'
2. Spider-Verse isn't their idea, it's from Spider-Man (1994) and a Peter storyline
3. Miles isn't an original idea, he's Spider-Man but black
4. Miles is as corporate as it comes, inspired by Obama's election, created to fulfill a diversity quota, his existence is pushed and supported by avatars of "corporate evil", mega investment funds and asset managers
5. Miles and the multiverse in the case of this trilogy exist to support Sony's claim on the IP movie rights (and nothing else) by making it a franchise they can milk with minimum effort simply by making "Spider-Man but X"
>This is like claiming the batman beyond creators hate Bruce because they didn't make the show about Bruce or any of the many existing bat family members.
Not quite, because the creators of Batman Beyond have already adapted basically all you could adapt about Bruce and his many existing bat family members at the time with BTAS and TNBA and then invented something new from scratch to continue making Batman stories since they love him, meanwhile with Spider-Verse the creators never made anything Spider-Man related ever before, decided to skip the tons of never adapted iconic Spider-Man stories, the various Spider-Man legacy characters with actual fans and stories, didn't invent anything new, and instead adapted Spider-Man's origin *yet again* (the most commonly adapted Spider-Man story in mainstream media like movies) with a Spider-Verse backdrop (existing Peter story). Also Bruce plays a large role in BB.
If the Spider-Verse story by itself is novel enough to count as "creative", then they could've adapted it with Peter or any other Spider-Man, yet they first said they'll only do a movie if it's about Miles, and that they'll make it about the multiverse so Miles' existence isn't questioned by the audience.
>1. Miles isn't their idea, it's Bendis'
Yes, but the plot of the trilogy is their idea and it's one they didn't wish to do with Peter as the central spider.
>2. Spider-Verse isn't their idea, it's from Spider-Man (1994) and a Peter storyline
Comic spider-verse is different movie spider-verse in terms of plot and we both know it
>Miles isn't an original idea, he's Spider-Man but black
Reductive. You can call a lot of Spider-People "Spider-Man but X"
>his existence is pushed and supported by avatars of "corporate evil", mega investment funds and asset managers
So is Peter? Are you trying to say the character with a *Disney* trilogy and that the Sony execs initially asked for isn't pushed by Corporate?
> Miles and the multiverse in the case of this trilogy exist to support Sony's claim on the IP movie rights (and nothing else) by making it a franchise they can milk with minimum effort simply by making "Spider-Man but X"
Based on what? Why was so much love and effort put into animating an entire trilogy when Sony only wanted a quick Peter cashgrab to hold onto the IP?
> because the creators of Batman Beyond have already adapted basically all you could adapt about Bruce
You're telling me there wasn't a SINGLE Bruce story left? Do you think the execs didn't want Bruce when they asked for "Batman in high school"?
>decided to skip the tons of never adapted iconic Spider-Man stories,
This is the most bizarre point of your entire post IMO. Why do they HAVE TO make adaptations of pre-existing content before they do anything else? They had a story idea so they made it, there's zero moral obligation to spend years on putting an existing story on screen first.
>hen they could've adapted it with Peter or any other Spider-Man,
Yeah, and they chose Miles. By your own logic if they used say, Miguel as their protagonist that would also mean they hate Peter because they could have used Peter instead.
I'd add that it's completely valid to not like Miles, but deciding to adapt him is not evidence of hating Peter.
>the paid movie shills are ignoring this comment
lol
Desu, I'd make a 2000s throwback era Spider-Girl movie. Complete with soundtrack and technology being like flipphones and early internet.
two plot threads becoming one
>the last days of Spider-Man and the death of Ben Reily
>the return of Spider-Girl
Start it off with Ben Reilly in the webs teaming up with Peter and shaking their hands after beating the bad guys.
>cut to a few years later and Peter staring at a news report of pure information overload
>armed suspect taking a school this
>terrorism on the rise
>new supervillains showing up after the lengthy disappearance of Spider-Man
>he takes newborn mayday upstairs and into the attic
>aunt mays and uncle ben's things lay here dusty
>Peter runs a finger across the surface and shakes his head
>in the very back of the attic lays a trunk
>Peter unclasps the trunk and stares at the spider-man costume undisturbed for years and haphazardly thrown in with the webshooters alongside it
>he looks to the side and sees Ben's costume also packed along with it and holds his hand to grasp the limp hand of the costume before letting it go and drop back into the box
>Peter holds Mayday up to his face and sees her smiling, ignorant about what happened to her great uncle and uncle
>Peter smiles albeit pained with his expression uncertain and embraces his child with Mary Jane climbing up the stairs to find Peter up there and hugs them both from behind
>the camera zooms out to reveal Peter's amputated leg and his new artificial replacement
The film would be split into a modified Spider-Man with Ben, Kaine and Peter shenanigans and then flip to the modern day with Mayday discovering her Spider-Powers and fighting her first real supervillains. It be a sort of classic coming of age type deal but have splices of May discovering footage of Peter and her Uncle in action or newspaper clippings to take her back in time before finally asking her father what happened to her uncle and revealing Spider-Man's Last Battle with Osborn
I'd make Peter an overprotective dad but a cool father, the type zoomers don't have while Mayday is sneaking around trying to be Spider-Girl without her dad knowing. I'd make it a sort of Peter having to let go of his own issues and hang ups worried he'll lose May like he lost Ben Reilly. He'd care a lot for his family
After the first ten minutes of Spider-Man focus though we need to establish
>Mayday has to have a charming actor and come across as a likable protagonist focus on her tomboy tendencies but don't underplay the high school drama surrounding her and bring attention to her friend circle
>devote time and effort into understanding why May cares about her classmates and her basketball games so when she starts being Spider-Girl and she has issues maintaining them you understand her frustration with her newfound responsibility
>Kaine acts as her stern and disproving mentor
>his ruthless beatdown of her serving as the biggest lowpoint of the film where he says she isnt prepared to take on the burden of Spider-Man and that better than her people tried and failed
>her superhero ally would probably be aloof Darkdevil who slowly grows to have faith in her over the story and finally him and Peter managing to talk Mayday out of her funk
>villain roster would probably be Crazy-Eight, Mr. Nobody and Funny Face who are mixed up in a gang war lead by the imprisoned Kingpin and Canis to have their rivalry
>allows Mayday to get involved with street level shenanigans
It'd probably be at least clock in at a two hour run time being fair lol but I'd save stuff like April or the return of Spider-Man classic for the sequels.
I really like both ideas but I don’t know if you could balance the mayday stuff and Ben Reilly/Peter stuff in one story, but I could be wrong
It would be more or less like little interludes in the story. No more than maybe fifteen or twenty minutes of the film to explore why Peter got into his current state and why he doesn't want Mayday running around as Spider-Girl. I'd probably have some classic comic spreads of the original Clone Saga to explain his origin and call Warren a mad scientist who lied to them both and tried to turn them against each other to massively summarize the plot of Clone Saga.
Oh lmao, easy. If This Be My Destiny fully animated into a comic book epic. Nobody has ever really done it, only alluded to it. It is THE Spider-Man Story
Oh like flash back kind of stuff, that works. Personally I think a spider-girl series would work more to flesh these ideas out but a hour and a half movie can do that too
A Spider-Girl series would be ideal but like a movie would get people interested in Mayday as a character.
That’s true. I’d love to see April in a sequel when maday feels confident as spider-girl or something like that. Also, isn’t there a madame web movie getting made?
Well I meant more of a story about Peter himself, not his daughter
God, I can’t wait for the meltdown when Miles replace Peter in live action.
Imagine being a Marveltroony in 2023
Eh, I won't stop liking what I like just because morons got a hold of it.
I think so, I thought originally it was gonna be like Silk, Ghost-Spider and Jessica Drew but who knows with the strikes going on. Kraven looks moronic
>he isnt a big game hunter
>he is friend to animals and fighting eviiiil poachers
I wonder if he is even Russian in current year because his whole fleeing Russian nobleman was hugely important to his characterization as proud and haughty.
Don’t care, I like spider-man and spider-girl
No, it was made for AND by people that hate spiderman.
Why do you people hate black people so much?
Is it because of bad experiences you had with them?
No one is talking about blacks you race obsessed trannie
What if I like BBC you racist?
Man, I hate Spider-Cuck and didn't like the movie
Why did they have to shit on Ben so much? What did he do to deserve this?
white
No . People who hate white version of anything