Was this guy retarded? >picks the dumbest possible moment to take the shot on his last job, risking everything.

Was this guy moronic?
>picks the dumbest possible moment to take the shot on his last job, risking everything.
>forgets to warn his gf the job went sideways and she’s tortured. He could have discreetly gotten her away from there.
>murders an innocent taxi driver who wasn’t even involved
>needlessly follows the male assassin in Florida instead of just waiting at his house. The guy goes back there anyway
>doesn’t poison the dog but gives him sleeping pills. A loose end that almost kills him in the escape.
>destroys evidence at the lawyers office
>he’s been in the game his whole life but still thinks the guy that arranged the job is responsible for anything.
Genuinely baffling all the chain of events that occurred in this movie. It was still fun to watch.

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's with the bucket hat? Were they trying to make me think of Hunter Thompson?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What's with the bucket hat? Were they trying to make me think of Hunter Thompson?

      No, a german tourist.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    you're so close to getting the point...

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      ... Mistakes happen?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        did you watch it muted or something?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          No. Why?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            because the monologues are the cipher
            have you considered how this film is in dialogue with other anti-hero films like Fincher's own Fight Club?

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              you're so close to getting the point...

              The movie was complete ass that was the point

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >cipher
              It just seems like you're overcomplicating it. His dialogue is essentially just him laying bare his ethos then that being challenged. The entire film is his emotions vs his professionalism, experience and intuition. The woman in the restaurant was right. The reason why he wasn't thinking straight and making constant mistakes is because his whole world view is shattered in the 30 minutes of the movie. So what does he do? He falls back on the basic core of what kept him alive which coincides and conflicts with his now shattered sense of self worth.

              It's not that complicated. There's no "hidden code"
              But if you've found one feel free to share it

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I wasn't implying a hidden code just basics of filmic narrative techniques. even what you described sounds like it went over OPs plot-brained head.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >just basics of filmic narrative techniques
                Ok, such as?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                like multi-media contradiction
                he is saying one thing expressing his subjective truth through dialogue but the film is showing you another "objective" truth in the reality of the movies events that must be reconciled by the viewer. very basic example

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Right or not the point of everything she said was to throw him off so she could get out of that situation alive. Which ultimately doesn’t work. It’s another example of what

                like multi-media contradiction
                he is saying one thing expressing his subjective truth through dialogue but the film is showing you another "objective" truth in the reality of the movies events that must be reconciled by the viewer. very basic example

                is talking about. The point isn’t just that he’s wrong, that his internalization is nothing but subjective rationalization of objective reality, everyone involved is doing the same thing. Even the lawyer’s rationalizations break down when he starts going for the phone. Then you find out he’s the one who told the billionaire to order another hit, to avoid “blowback,” which clearly was only an issue due to said second hit.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                and?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                You've needed every aspect of the movie explained to you.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nothing you said was particularly illuminating. I wasn't even talking to you. You just fell in and loredumped your opinion like it was profound.
                No one asked. You didn't even contradict what I said or disprove it. You just set out to waste my time

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                You know its okay if you don't "get" something, right? And you know when you don't "get" something, you never will? and its entirely your fault?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cool. Don't care.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >never eat a banana during a mission
              >eats a banana during a mission then slips on the peel
              Wow fricking deep

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Spoonfeed me please

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is a parody of the "literally me" characters like Gosling's Driver, and Fincher's own Tyler Durden. The Killer is Fincher's apology for/damning of the incel worship of those characters.

        He presents this guy who thinks he's hot shit by being so methodical and clinical then makes almost all of his decisions (following the accident at the beginning) the sloppiest ones, proving that it really isn't possible to be perfectly cool.

        This goes into Fincher's own method of directing that is as clinical as The Killer's hits, or at the very least, that is how people seem to talk about him (he even admits it). So, in another way, this is a self-criticism/admittance of his method not being perfect. I think the thesis of the film is that sometimes success comes from mistakes.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          thats fine but it was poorly written, filmed, and directed
          not one beat landed and it looked like shit

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >not one beat landed
            give an example

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >the opening slog missed shot sequence
              >the on the run checking in on home + girlfriend that gets 3 seconds of screentime
              >the ensuing 90 minutes that have zero emotional connection or narrative thrust beyond things happening because the need to
              it's a shitty flick by an aging, has-been boomer

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >opening slog missed shot sequence
                it's slow to show his ridiculous method and the mistake is a subversion of what came before, it's pretty funny if you actually use your brain.
                >the on the run checking in on home + girlfriend that gets 3 seconds of screentime
                so what does that tell you about The Killer's relationship with his gf? If more screentime is given to his work, which do you think takes up more of his time?
                >the ensuing 90 minutes that have zero emotional connection or narrative thrust beyond things happening because the need to
                Did they need to happen? I will give you that there is zero emotional connection, but there actually is a reason, and I will leave that for you to figure out.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                you just talk like a gay who's never had a job or pussy
                you ugly pedantic dipshit

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >BRO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OBTUSE AND UNRELATABLE GAWD

                no one thinks about twerps like you at all
                this is a board for chads who frick moron

                I love Television and Film!

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >BRO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OBTUSE AND UNRELATABLE GAWD

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it's slow to show his ridiculous method and the mistake is a subversion of what came before, it's pretty funny if you actually use your brain.
                yeah that's fricking hilarious sitting and listening to this homie talk for 20 minutes

                Are you braindead? Him missing the shot is worth a chuckle maybe, it doesn't retroactively make the scene funny. Do you understand how anything works? Are you an infant? Stop crying like an infant, you infant? Mommy milky, you want mommy milky? Then SUCK FOR IT, you pussy.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                The first 20 minutes are the setup for the punchline, which is the rest of the movie.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's god damned fricking moronic and you fricking know.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                You’re moronic and you don’t even realize it.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, that's just not how a setup and punchline works. Try and explain it again, another way, not the braindead way you just attempted. Use your words.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Gosling's Driver, and Fincher's own Tyler Durden.
          Both make a ton of mistakes in the course of their stories with Tyler Durden never set up to be a flawless perfectionist, he's literally the opposite. Why would incels worship the Driver when he literally falls in love and has a relationship with a girl? Tyler Durden also has sex with girls. What the frick are you on about?
          >I think the thesis of the film is that sometimes success comes from mistakes.
          Looks like he failed then.
          >bu bu bu but that was the point!
          Frick off.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            where did I say Tyler Durden and Driver were perfectionists? I just said Killer and Fincher were.

            And the fact that Driver and Durden have sex and girls are the exact reason they are incel idols. It's the fact they are portrayed as "cool dudes who have sex" mixed with the "frick the world" anarchism of Durden and "male savior"-ness of Driver that make the incel worship a bit questionable.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              no one thinks about twerps like you at all
              this is a board for chads who frick moron

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    an innocent taxi driver who wasn’t even involved
    Glad it wasn't just me. I was wondering what the frick he had to do with anything.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      He wanted to share his condoms with him, did the world a favor taking him out

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      He was complicit, even if it was by mistake. And considering all the details that the taxi driver knew about the location of his house and the questions he asked, the taxi driver became a possible liability in the future and needed to be taken out, just in case

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      He was complicit, even if it was by mistake. And considering all the details that the taxi driver knew about the location of his house and the questions he asked, the taxi driver became a possible liability in the future and needed to be taken out, just in case

      Watching the movie from the perspective of the "his narration is all bullshit and he's not the methodical super autist he thinks he is" my perception of the scene was that he spent a really long time sitting there debating with himself if he was gonna kill the cab driver
      And his end decision was a somewhat emotional "Actually frick this guy"

      The whole thing about "the cabbie could've driven away when he realized who his passengers were" felt like a not rational, but emotionally resonant indictment of him

      Also did we all notice he genuinely felt bad for Dolores the secretary and humored her wishes IN SPITE OF murdering her? That was awkward in both directions.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well, Dolores wasn’t lying to him, unlike everyone else he met.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I guess you don't call a random taxi to do your torture/hitman duties. You need someone you can trust, the taxi driver was an accomplice

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        True but unlikely since then the cab driver probably wouldn't have booked it as a normal fare. The most likely explanation is that a lot of the people in the movie are making mistakes, including the two assassins that takes a cab to a hit. I've read about criminals doing dumber shit.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    fincher got triggered that men misunderstood his movies like fight club

    this is anti-sigma male movie, it's a comedy for a reason.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      i would almost agree, but he didn't go far enough. Ending should have been more in that vain. idk maybe its a Hollywood thing where u cant have a ending where the protag doesnt get away with it.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        fincher is just a moronic director
        he had 100% full control over the movie.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          is that the dancer that gets shot

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          She's hot, name?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        He got away with it in the sense that no one is going to go after him anymore (no one was probably going to go after him after he killed his handler, but before he killed the paralegal) but he does the cheesy movie-crazy eye twitch in the final shot. He's cracked, he's either gonna spiral, or spiral and kill himself.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >He's cracked, he's either gonna spiral, or spiral and kill himself.
          I think he’ll be fine, it’s just that he realized he was one of the sheep and not one of the wolves, and it’s a pretty big hit to his self esteem.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >i'm definitely one of the sheep
            >has frick-you money and just closed the book on what had been his life up to that point

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    They tried to make it cool and relatable by adding The Smiths songs

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cool and relatable
      >The Smiths
      lmao good one

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        If anything, that and Portishead just shows he's a depressed Millennial that really wants to be cool just like me

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Armond White spent his whole article in National Review seething about the choice of his beloved The Smiths lol
        always a good laugh reading the confused boomer republican comments on his reviews

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The soundtrack’s Smiths songs become ironic rather than expressive because the killer shows no real affinity for them. It’s Fincher’s attempt to destroy everything The Smiths stood for — the ultimate hipster-fascist statement.

          >The music for such an exercise should be the corrosive, grind-house nihilism of Nine Inch Nails, headed by Fincher’s favorite composer, Trent Reznor. But Fincher’s antipathetic TV-commercial motifs are not well served by The Smiths catalogue — the most droll, unabashed petition for empathy of the past half century.

          >From the first moment Fassbender takes aim, with his earbuds emitting “Well I Wonder,” Fincher proves as insensitive a DJ as he is a storyteller. The irony is not just obtuse, it’s an affront to our sensitivities. I haven’t forgiven the bowdlerization of Donovan’s wondrous “Hurdy Gurdy Man” in Zodiac. But targeting The Smiths — and the sensibility that music represents — is sociopathic. (If he had any respect, or an ounce of wit, he’d settle for “Meat Is Murder.”)

          >“I Know It’s Over” cannot ever be “mood music” — its imprint in pop history etches the personal agony that Morrissey dared show to the world via The Smiths. ...“How Soon Is Now?” longs for happiness and demands an end to smugness. Fincher squanders it as music to kill by, returning smugness.

          >It’s impossible to hear “There Is a Light That Never Goes Out” and think bad thoughts, but Fincher spreads ugliness throughout the culture...Being unresponsive to the brilliance and gaiety of “Bigmouth Strikes Again,” “Unhappy Birthday,” and “Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now” seems especially witless. And the misuse of “Girlfriend in a Coma” and “Shoplifters of the World, Unite” — each a radical concept of grief and revolution — makes Fincher an unfit communicator. Because of Fincher’s humorlessness — remember Brad Pitt whining “What’s in the box?” in Se7en? — nothing here can be taken seriously except the assault on pop-music culture.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            White's right again

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >And the misuse of “Girlfriend in a Coma” and “Shoplifters of the World, Unite” — each a radical concept of grief and revolution
            Girlfriend in a Coma is a joke song you putz

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          i'd bet real money that finchner did that on purpose to frick with armond white. armond white is literally a case perfect example of internal monologue at complete odds with the objective reality of him.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            There definitely are some song choices that are metaironic, like Glory Box playing during the return to his compound.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          But morrisey is a whiny homosexual trying to pass his angst off as profundity.

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Starts out with him thinking he's hot shit
    >Ends with him realizing he's just another moron

    That was the point

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The lawyer hard-sold the billionaire on a contract against him, for more money. He was ultimately responsible.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which is pretty cold considering he had worked successfully for him for years. He was willing to kill his best asset for an extra $150k

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        not just an extra 150k, an extra 15% of 150k.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        dunno the client said "in this particular case we need insurance", maybe he wanted to get rid of the killer already

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      hey speeed watcher the lawyer assumed he had left the country. He never intended to kill him, hes shocked when he turns up to his office since its out of character.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the lawyer assumed he had left the country
        what part of him being a total fricking liar didn't you clock, shithead

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          He literally has nothing to lie about we literaly see his hired assassins chilling and going to stripclubs. Tilder swinton is going on a date. Noone is looking for the Killer becasue they assumed he left the country. Even the billionaire is oblivoius. Its all out of character for him. The Lawyer is just doing his job and covering his ass.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Tilder swinton is going on a date
            oh youre an ugly moronic fat person
            my bad

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              I accept your consession.

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Movie was a masterpiece

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    you got filtered

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >picks the dumbest possible moment to take the shot on his last job, risking everything.
    Mistakes happen, it's implied that this is the first time he's failed.
    >forgets to warn his gf the job went sideways and she’s tortured. He could have discreetly gotten her away from there.
    By the time he's even on the plane to the hideout they've already gotten to his girlfriend, he was dishevelled since he's never failed before and this is a new experience.
    >murders an innocent taxi driver who wasn’t even involved
    He was involved, through no fault of his own. But still.. Could give police a description of him that would've greatly narrowed down their search for him. Forbid empathy.
    >needlessly follows the male assassin in Florida instead of just waiting at his house. The guy goes back there anyway
    He was waiting to see if his friends were going to be staying over.
    >doesn’t poison the dog but gives him sleeping pills. A loose end that almost kills him in the escape.
    He was likely going to make the death look like suicide but obviously shit went south.

    Crazy how low IQ a lot of TV & Film enthusiasts have. This is a pure case of filtered.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >He was likely going to make the death look like suicide but obviously shit went south.
      Pretty sure it was also to challenge his whole no empathy thing, he could have shot the dog when it was chasing him in the house but he didnt, because actually has empathy for the dog and didn't want to kill even at the risk of his own life.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mistakes happen, it's implied that this is the first time he's failed.
      The way the movie is framed, he missed on purpose so he has na excuse to retire. Hes agent 47 levels of accurate for the rest of the movie.

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wot if that cringe Baby Driver scene but the FBI rolls up and dome rocks through his stupid fricking ear buds
    saved myself 2 hours I could be rewatching hitman kino like Le Samouri and Tokyo Drifter instead

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've seen some comments saying that this is a incel movie cuz he only killed wom*n and POC. I kek'd. Shitty movie, btw, boring as shit and repetitive inner monologue felt so... urgh

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      nice selfie

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        thanks saar, but it's not a selfie

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Damn, what an incredibly disgusting country.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          is this their interpretation of professional wrestling?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >that one kid who's jumping up and down and clapping his hands in excitement
          kinda based

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    the dumbest possible moment to take the shot on his last job, risking everything.
    Literally explained explicitly why he did so. Actually watch the film if you're gonna whine about it
    to warn his gf the job went sideways and she’s tortured. He could have discreetly gotten her away from there.
    The concept of a burner phone unconnected to him/his family is a complete novelty to you isn't it?
    an innocent taxi driver who wasn’t even involved
    So you literally weren't paying any attention?
    follows the male assassin in Florida instead of just waiting at his house. The guy goes back there anyway
    See above
    ’t poison the dog but gives him sleeping pills. A loose end that almost kills him in the escape.
    See above
    evidence at the lawyers office
    Yes?
    >>he’s been in the game his whole life but still thinks the guy that arranged the job is responsible for anything.
    Are you just pretending to be dumb?

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shit script, poor direction. Whoever produced this turd obviously only did it for the netflix money. Move on OP. Dont lose sleep over shitty movies.

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going as far as to say that this movie is part of the emerging genre of boomer/Gen-X "elegy for a career" movies. Shows and movies that are summations of the auteur, their values, and their personal feelings.
    >The Return
    >Crimes of the Future
    While this movie is the same exacting execution of Fincher's style, but also a deconstruction of his themes and a statement on how he views his dumber fans.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Miyazaki's 'Boy and the Heron' aka 'How Do You Live?' also
      Scorsese's 'Irishman'
      not really emerging in the realm of auteurs though

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Good mentions

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Killers of the flower moon was the irishman cubed.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          figured as much, why i skipped both in fact, telling my bro 'he's just been making the same movie over and over' and he could not compute that at all. >wdym is totally different, they're old!

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Only in the sense that both were attempts to depict organized crime without glorifying it. They’re both interesting stories, just not 3.5 hours worth of interesting. Hoffa was a huge cultural joke for decades, turns out nothing special happened, that despite everyone thinking he was untouchable, killing him was easy. He wasn’t buried under a stadium, he was disposed of the same way as anyone else. The Osage murders are interesting in how people could just do that. There’s a hilarious scene where a guy is asking his lawyer if his wife and kids died, would he get their oil money. The lawyer tells him it sounds like he’s planning to murder them for oil money. Guy says “only if I’ll get it.” Like they’re talking about buy one get one free.

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Was this guy moronic?
    Isn't that the point of the movie?

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure Flowers is "good" but I really am over the stylized violence especially against a real people's like that for entertainment, from Leo's shit acting character protag of course, sidelined in their own murder-porn picture. Especially when simultaneously Israel doing the same thing from our playbook with our money and weapons, beat for beat, history rhymes and all that. Used that 4 hours to watch the new Ken Burns docu on eradication of the American Buffalo and natives, much more mature and rewarding

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, Marty can't say he isn't glorifying it when he's been making these movies for 50 years

  18. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't watched this, is it worth it?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      it completely unironically depends on your patience for "autist talking to himself" kino
      but if you're in for the adventure of a guy that's literally you (except handsome with millions of dollars and a loyal mexican girlfriend) then go for it

  19. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    the whole point of movie is that he gave a giant monologue at the start describing all of his rules and principles
    and then proceeds to break them for the entire film

    he is an arrogant, basement dwelling incel who thinks he is more epic than he actually is since he drank his own hubris

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      and this is supposed to be entertaining??

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes it's basic af, like slapstick, with chuds instead of moustachiooed 1910s dudes
        it's really surprising you didn't get it oh wait i see..

  20. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    which principles did he break? other than sitting down with Tilda?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      the whole point of movie is that he gave a giant monologue at the start describing all of his rules and principles
      and then proceeds to break them for the entire film

      he is an arrogant, basement dwelling incel who thinks he is more epic than he actually is since he drank his own hubris

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      how do you accidentally do this

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was eating a cookie and using one hand

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basically all of them. For example he tells himself to only fight the fights he's paid for, but the entire movie is him going on a revenge mission. He tells himself not to show mercy but goes out of his way to oblige the secretary in not making her death seem like wild shit so he just shoots her in the back of the head and has her fall down some stairs to basically make it seem like someone killed her boss and then broke into her house and killed her as well rather than making it look like murder-suicide which could've led the cops down the wrong path during their investigation. His entire ethos is just replaced with "Do what thou wilt"

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >so he just shoots her in the back of the head
        he snaps her neck to make it seem she broke while falling down the stairs

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ah yes, sorry. Still there's no way the cops will think her boss being missing and her death are unrelated.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Being murdered doesn't void health insurance. Disappearing does

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Stick to your plan.
      *abandons the airport and runs back to the hotel shitting himself*
      >Anticipate, don't improvise.
      *throws cheese grater*
      >Trust no one.
      *gives the chick he's banging and her brother his real home address*
      >Never yield an advantage.
      *spares the CEO after holding him at gunpoint*
      >Fight only the battle you're paid to fight.
      *does literally all of it for free, having not received a single paycheck since briefly before the start of the movie*
      >Forbid empathy.
      *saves the heckin' pupperino, fixes Dolores' life insurance policy because she cries and begs, throws a downright tantrum about his gf getting beat up*

  21. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do some think this movie is so smart? The fact that he was bad at his job, and that his narration was bullshit was readily apparent. I don't think it fooled anybody. It only just made me ask myself: Why should I care?

    I think the film could have worked if it were funnier. If his character was funnier. There was one part where I really laughed, when he was at the lawyer's office, and the lawyer was monologuing and Fassbender gestures to the secretary with his gun to get into the bathroom. The way he just silently and calmly gestured like "cmon you know the drill" was really funny in that moment.
    If the movie had more stuff like that, dark humor you could say, instead of the cheaper, less funny device of "narration is cut off by him being wrong"
    I dunno. I think it could have just been more entertaining. And the humor would have been a more effective counterpoint to his self seriousness

    Same issue during the tilda swinton scene. She tells an old joke, one of my favorites, but the metaphoric quality of it is played up so much that it loses any humor. It becomes a "wow so deep" moment. That was the problem with the whole film really; none of the obviously ironic elements were played up enough to be truly funny. And ultimately I felt like I was laughing at the film, and not with it.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      this
      it wasn't smart, interesting or entertaining
      despite fincher trying way too fricking hard to be ironic and cynical

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basically all of them. For example he tells himself to only fight the fights he's paid for, but the entire movie is him going on a revenge mission. He tells himself not to show mercy but goes out of his way to oblige the secretary in not making her death seem like wild shit so he just shoots her in the back of the head and has her fall down some stairs to basically make it seem like someone killed her boss and then broke into her house and killed her as well rather than making it look like murder-suicide which could've led the cops down the wrong path during their investigation. His entire ethos is just replaced with "Do what thou wilt"

      this
      it wasn't smart, interesting or entertaining
      despite fincher trying way too fricking hard to be ironic and cynical

      I got a smirk out of
      >In the meantime, “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” To quote…someone. Can’t remember who.
      I don't think the movie is that generic. A lot of movies had Unreliable Narrator but not that many had moron Narrator.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        it was an awful script and the filmmaking was flat and dull
        oh and it cost 175m

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          no way it cost all that

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            google it

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't need to, it's bullshit

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it cost 175m
          how?

  22. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Another thing:

    This guy is initially introduced as being uberconfident
    Then he's thrown off by fricking up horribly, and makes a chain of mistakes to follow, and he is shown in fact to be quite sloppy. Still cunning, but sloppy. Like when he was transferring the body in the recycling bin and riding down the elevator. He plays it off, but definitely attracted attention still. The secretary was very visibly perturbed. If one of those guys in the elevator was questioned later, following her death, they'd have a clear description to give of a man and the odd circumstance in which they briefly found themselves.

    I dunno. I guess the point was that lawmen are utterly ineffective and that we live in a lawless society. Right? I dunno.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Like when he was transferring the body in the recycling bin and riding down the elevator.
      that was such a hamfisted, unfunny, ugly scene with zero charisma
      fincher is a ridley-tier boomer hack now
      its over

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >that was such a hamfisted, unfunny, ugly scene with zero charisma
        Honestly, yeah. It was all too clear everything srs black man was saying was purely bluster. And word salad, to boot. I don't really remember anything about their exchange. I guess it was an expo dump. But it had zero emotional quality. It was just one character barking and another not really listening. It was a scene full of passions but no real emotions. It made me feel nothing. And there were too many scenes just like that. Scenes that made me feel nothing.

        Big slog and a waste of talent, all around.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          the concept is flawless, the execution was awful
          could very easily be nailed by someone who isn't a lazy try hard boomer

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The dumbest thing was how his car was parked right next to where he shot the taxi driver. The cops find CCTV cameras in the area, contact drivers around the time the cab arrived and ask for dashcam footage. Boom, the only fricking car parked right next to the murder scene belongs to the dipshit hitman

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Black person its the dominican republic, not london police trying to track down a person who posted a swastika without a tv loisence

  23. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    They did horrible things to her gf... what kind of things? The movie said something about it?

  24. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's only human and he wants to be loved.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ONE
      >NUTHIN' WRONG WITH ME
      >TWO!!

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOW!

  25. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Lonely depressed killer purposely misses his target so he can retire wuth his sexy gf
    Its a very simple movie I dont understand why people are acting like its very complex. The movie literall tells you whats it about the moment he misses his shot.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I understood it just fine
      it was dull schlock with zero heart or balls
      homosexual

  26. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Times when you acted like Thek Ller?

  27. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Was this guy moronic?
    No but you are. All of your questions are easily answered if you think about them. Keep in mind that the guys makes mistakes here and there, this isn't John Wick or a videogame

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >this isn't John Wick or a videogame
      yeah we get it
      fincher seemed to go out of his way to constantly point this out with zero subtly or artfulness

  28. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    What did he eat in the car? A boiled egg?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      it was a McDonald's fast-egg deluxe®
      mmmmm I'm lovin' it!

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it’s about the healthiest thing you can get in a gas station in the middle of nowhere.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I've just never seen a boiled egg on a wrapper

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          helps if you leave the house more than once a year

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          They only sell them like that in gas stations and convenience stores. They’re pre-cooked.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          they exist.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            why would you buy that
            the eggs are probably cheaper than the bag they come in...

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              that bag is $4 and that's a convenience price, for if you don't have a heat source, pot, and quantity of water to boil an egg in. I'd never eat it myself

  29. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    reminder: the main point of the movie is its pretty easy to get away with murder, even today, because police are lazy. the fictions dealing with supercops/supersleuths are just that, fictions. he left lots of evidence that in a supercop/supersleuth movie would lead to his arrest, but he wasn't in one of those movies. He was in the real world.
    A world where no one is going to look at the burnt to frick house of a known criminal and think
    >hmmm, maybe foul play was involved! I must get to the bottom of this!
    No one is going to look at a dead white women in a secluded part of chicago and think
    >well this clearly wasn't a mugging gone wrong!
    No one is going to look at a vanished lawyer and his dead assistant (by accident, in another jurisdiction) and think
    >oh this guy was running a murder for hire business and was murdered himself! the imprint of the recycling bin is deeper going out of the office than in! Quick, look for paintcans on the side of interstates! The body has been cut to pieces!

    If you're looking at this stuff, and thinking it would be a simple matter to pull all these pieces together and track the killer from point to point, you're falling for another trick, where you as a viewer assume your knowledge is identical to hypothetical people in the movie.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sally would look inside the box obviously, who comes up with this shit? God I hate white people.

  30. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Netflix

  31. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Goddamn, I keep forgetting how stupid this board is. I mean, it's my fault too. I'm stupid for coming here and reading this dribble.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, you do sound like a moron.

  32. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >gf and bro are Dominican
    >aren't Black

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      they just live there

  33. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >visits his gf in the hospital
    >'You're the one for me, fatty'

  34. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    people not being able to see the satire is funny to me

  35. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >picks the dumbest possible moment to take the shot on his last job, risking everything.
    He literally explains all to you and it's shown why he misses. He was drained with the stalking for over a week, shitty sleep, shitty meals and the long waiting. In part, he also fricks up the shot because of the grill.
    >murders an innocent taxi driver who wasn’t even involved
    Was a loose end.
    >doesn’t poison the dog
    Did wonder myself why he didn't off the dogo, maybe he didn't too alienate the audience too much.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Did wonder myself why he didn't off the dogo, maybe he didn't too alienate the audience too much.
      Probably also a reference to John Wick which is basically the polar opposite of this movie.

  36. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"No loose ends"
    >Shows his face to the billionaire who placed the hit on the guy he was supposed to kill, then doesn't kill him
    What did he mean by this?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      he doesnt kill him because he was already seen by the cctv which he looks at in the building

      if he killed him then it would be easy to figure out who he is

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Now the billionaire can either put another hit on him or simply call the police right away.
        >b-but if he would have killed the billionaire the cops would have looked for him too!
        Yeah, but at least there wouldn't be a witness

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >help, help, police, this guy was in my apartment!
          >did he take anything?
          >... uh, no
          >did he threaten you?
          >... n-not directly
          >are you injured?
          >... no
          >so trespassing? that's what you called us over?
          >y-yes...
          >yea okay we'll get right on that. thanks for the report, we'll be in touch

          and how's he going to put a hit on him? he'd already killed everyone between him and the billionaire.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Help me, this crazy person was in my apartment and threaten me with a gun.
            >Yes, I do live on Richface avenue and donate quite a bit of money to the city council, how could you tell?
            >Well yes officer, I was also a very generous benefactor to the president's presidential campaign.
            >You'll have him by tomorrow? That's very good to hear

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              there you go again, assuming some supersleuth is going to take up the case to find... the man who walked into a building.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Help me, this crazy person was in my apartment and threaten me with a gun.
                >Yes, I do live on Richface avenue and donate quite a bit of money to the city council, how could you tell?
                >Well yes officer, I was also a very generous benefactor to the president's presidential campaign.
                >You'll have him by tomorrow? That's very good to hear

                >help, help, police, this guy was in my apartment!
                >did he take anything?
                >... uh, no
                >did he threaten you?
                >... n-not directly
                >are you injured?
                >... no
                >so trespassing? that's what you called us over?
                >y-yes...
                >yea okay we'll get right on that. thanks for the report, we'll be in touch

                and how's he going to put a hit on him? he'd already killed everyone between him and the billionaire.

                Now the billionaire can either put another hit on him or simply call the police right away.
                >b-but if he would have killed the billionaire the cops would have looked for him too!
                Yeah, but at least there wouldn't be a witness

                Calling the cops is genuinely the dumbest thing the billionaire can do. He's just opening himself up the possibility that the cops will trace the assassins movements and tie him to a recent string of murders and also the failed assassination attempt in Germany which they might end up tying back to the billionaire.

                This whole "oh cops are lazy" logic is genuinely childish. If a billionaire has had a guy break into his apartment and point a gun in his face, yes, the cops will actually investigate that. They don't even need to catch the guy, just tie him to the billionaire via the lawyer and the entire thing unravels. When you're involved in a literal murder plot you never talk to the cops about it or anything related to it.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >This whole "oh cops are lazy" logic is genuinely childish. If a billionaire has had a guy break into his apartment and point a gun in his face, yes, the cops will actually investigate that.
                That’s why he doesn’t kill him. And the billionaire isn’t going to call the cops after because he doesn’t want polonium in his tea.

  37. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >kill the taxi driver
    >didnt kill muh doggerino

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, white people value dogs more than they value brown people.

  38. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    A stupid part was how his girlfriend survived 2 adept hitmen. Plus the ending would have been better if he was caught by police smashing this perception this guy has of himself

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      she wasn't the target

  39. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the only life path, is the one behind you
    DEEP

  40. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    So it really comes down to the fact that every criticism pointed at K_.ller only shows that the critic doesn't understand irony or satire.

    • 6 months ago
      anonymous

      satire and irony usually are funny or entertaining. its like anons on this webosphere posting really moronic shit """"ironically""""" but no ones laughing

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think Fincher understands satire either

      It's supposed to be funny. Not just droll. If you want to explain what was funny about the movie be my guest.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        When he's fought Florida man and the dog shows up and he just fricking bolts with the dog jumping through a glass door to chase him is actually pretty funny but not in some satirical manner.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          You know, it never really occurred to me until you mentioned Florida Man, the way he said normies and acknowledged Florida memes means he's also chronically online like literally us.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            fun fact, florida man is the actor who played sauron

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              Oh, is he Maori and not a part-Black person?

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              I looked that up too and he's from NZ but I guess he passes as a latino

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            that would mean that fincher writes his own movies

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's possible he worked with the writer

  41. 6 months ago
    anonymous

    the movie is a giant advertisment reel, nothing else.

  42. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Was the torture scene hot?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Off-screen, suggested to be mutt-on-latina rape

  43. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a literal parody/satire of Hitman movies or action actors where everything goes perfectly and they always pull off some ridiculously impossible shit consistently. The character even says at the end that he's one of the many, meaning he's nothing special. It's a movie about a "professional" getting humbled, it's great.

  44. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >babydriver with a fedora
    im thinking not

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