Brazil's ending is completely at odds with 1984. In 1984 The State triumphs over the rational mind, in Brazil the irrational mind is the final escape of the main character from The State. Almost diametrically opposed.
>Almost diametrically opposed.
not at all. the state wins in both. if you are just trying to escape the state in your irrational mind, the state has triumphed over your rational mind.
>Brazil's ending is completely at odds with 1984. In 1984 The State triumphs over the rational mind, in Brazil the irrational mind is the final escape of the main character from The State.
Just like the real brazil 🙁
Well, yeah. Everything Japan's created is far, far better than anything America has created for the past 247 collective years. Japanese animation, alone, is one of the greatest modern achievements in all of human history & is more fundamental than food + water tbh.
1984 is one of the shittiest novels out there and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
I've noticed that I automatically disregard anyone's opinion if they ever bring this shitty book up in a conversation, especially a political one, it's one of those books that give you an insight into the low level of reasoning you can expect from the other person without even engaging any further with them.
checked
my problem with the notion of Big Brother is how utterly restrictive it is, it's what an uninspired person's view of authority looks like.
in reality the most optimal forms of control are those that work behind the scenes and do not interfere with people's decisions and way of living, giving people an illusion of choice is far more effective.
Then again I don't hold it against Orwell, he wasn't born in our era, it's like expecting someone from medieval Europe to write about the industrial revolution.
>in reality the most optimal forms of control are those that work behind the scenes and do not interfere with people's decisions and way of living, giving people an illusion of choice is far more effective.
That's "Brave New World'. Not as entertaining as 1984, but far more relevant to the present era.
>in reality such regimes are plagued with corruption and are hopelessly inept.
Confirmed for not reading it, or if you did read it, confirmed that you're a dumb speedreader. Big Brother _is_ hopelessly inept, but it doesn't matter because it has all the power.
it really is
Big Brother is a caricature of a perfect police state
in reality such regimes are plagued with corruption and are hopelessly inept.
been years since i've read it, but it was still prophetic in ways that people don't really understand (the common observation that it predicted the 'surveillence state' or its a criticism of 'government authoritarianism' as key elements doesn't do justice to how astute some of the insights made in it are. Same with Brave New World - I find it far more interesting imagining it as the a display of the critiqued Crystal Palace from Notes from Underground far more harrowing than thinking of it as "tv controls u").
Of course, Orwell wrote 1984 as a vague warning against the authoritarian regimes of the time (specifically, the Stalinist USSR), but many of the ideas of how language controls what we can even think about, how things are manipulated and controlled (which he imagined in the form of government which isn't as relevant to us as say, Big Tech). Shit, it even mentions demographic shift in Goldstein's book.
that being said it has been years since ive read it.
>aaah i am a sub5 male and the government assigned me a beautiful blonde white who mentions the party whenever i nut inside her >i'm going insane, help me goldstein!
1984 is proof that incels did not exist in the past
Gotta agree with this guy, also 1984 is one of two books (the other being Brave New World) that is constantly abused by redditors to JUSTIFY fascism. >Ugh it's like 1984, they literally want to kill us for being gay and keep us as slaves >That is why we need real Communism this time
absolutely moronic take. ignoring the fact that you sound totally disingenuous and that you are trying to build some make believe strawman >ugh the novel is shitty because someone used it to prop up shitty ideas i don't like
Actually I never said that was why the novel was shit, I just agreed that the novel was shit and then as an addendum stated that redditors love to use it to justify fascism. The novel is shit because because it is clumsily slapped together social commentary that is on par with Atlas Shrugged in how hard you can feel the author seething through the pages when you read it and it is in itself a strawman of authoritarianism.
>redditors use it to justify fascism >>That is why we need real Communism the time
communism is not fascism, idiot. i would also love some examples of when they do this, because i have only ever heard people say shit like this
>bro this is just like george orwell's 1984 >it was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual!! >[insert politician/state I don't like] is just like big brother >you should read more books...I recommend 1984 by George Orwell! >bro, me not being allowed to say the n-word is literally 1984 >taxes are literally 1984 >pronouns are literally 1984 >wearing masks during a pandemic? literally 1984 >[insert literally anything] is literally 1984
if you like this book, you should have a nice day
in relation to 1984 and "why we need real communism this time."
>abused by redditors to JUSTIFY fascism
No. They use it to justify liberal democracy.
I hate you for deflectng what liberal democracy does as >"that was fascism. Our system has never been tried
Liberal democracy always gets away with terrible crimes because it just blames other systems. It takes the form of a goopy blob that can't be pinned down or held accountable or reformed.
who’s the bigger midwit?
the midwit who, fed by popular culture, has read a book meant to open people’s eyes to the potential of state overreach, and dilutes its message for popular appeal.
or the midwit who disagrees with everything said book says purely out of spite for the masses that subscribe to its now popularized viewpoints?
>the book and its author are a testament to pre modern literature >decide to forego actually reading the book and form an original opinion on whether the previous statement is true or not >watch a movie adaptation because its easy >"I expected better" >"I expected better"
Nah you're wrong; it was a pretty good movie, surely not on the same level of the book but they did well. The score is great, all the actors are well cast, the world it's set in also doesn't look far from what one can imgine by reading the book
>bro this is just like george orwell's 1984 >it was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual!! >[insert politician/state I don't like] is just like big brother >you should read more books...I recommend 1984 by George Orwell! >bro, me not being allowed to say the n-word is literally 1984 >taxes are literally 1984 >pronouns are literally 1984 >wearing masks during a pandemic? literally 1984 >[insert literally anything] is literally 1984
if you like this book, you should have a nice day
1984 is one of the shittiest novels out there and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
I've noticed that I automatically disregard anyone's opinion if they ever bring this shitty book up in a conversation, especially a political one, it's one of those books that give you an insight into the low level of reasoning you can expect from the other person without even engaging any further with them.
it's funny how much this book makes people seethe. there are very few pieces of media like it that should be innocuous that make absolute morons start huffing and puffing like it. really makes you think.
I don't particularly agree with the sentiment but I think it's due to this being the one book every moron online quotes, it feels as if they haven't read anything else.
>it feels as if they haven't read anything else.
they probably haven't, and they probably only read it because of high school. and they quote it because enough people who actually know what they are talking about bring it up a lot. but there is something to be said about a novel so powerful that both morons and academics alike can recognize the parallels to our own reality. obviously it isn't a 1 to 1, but there are similarities. and anyone who automatically dismisses a person or thinks you should have a nice day for liking the book is far more indicative of the intelligence of the naysayer than the proselytizer.
Ubiquitous state monitoring of individuals, restructuring language to control possible thought, always at war or in crisis? Yeah, nothing to do with 1984
That's liberal democracy though. It needs outside enemies and constant wars to keep the internal political inbuilt divisiness from ripping the system apart.
don't forget rewriting history to fit current political thought.
I think the people who shit on 1984 are missing the fact that Orwell was not so much inventing things that could happen as he was observing things that WERE happening and trying to taking them to their logical conclusion. he didn't invent doublethink or memory holes or newspeak. that's all stuff socialists have always done.
Yes we do.
Are you one of those >real liberal democracy has never been tried
people or am I misunderstanding?
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the us is a police state dressed up as a "liberal" "democracy"
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Liberal democracy necessitates a police state and constant wars to keep the population in line.
It IS aliberal democracy, you just don't like how it functions in reality vs how it taught you it functions. There was a lot of this dissolutionment towards the end of the USSR as well about communism.
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Liberal democracy is as liberal democracy does.
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What does a "real" liberal democracy look like? Real world examples please.
no, and procreation between two individuals is outlawed. their whole system is supposed to be self sustaining, they'd already got it all figured out. it's just a machine. the orgies and soma being used as a form of subjugation, as people focus on pleasure rather than their stagnant, mechanical existence.
hmm I should read again then because im clearly thinking of some other kino. Is it anything like brazil?
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>Is it anything like brazil?
never seen brazil in its entirety, just scenes here and there. have been meaning to watch it for a very long time, but i just never get around to it. so i can't comment on if it is like brazil. from my limited knowledge, i'd say no, though. brave new world is very clinical, if that makes sense. >im clearly thinking of some other kino.
are you mixing it up with parts of Dune? or really any other eugenics focused sci fi?
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>are you mixing it up with parts of Dune? or really any other eugenics focused sci fi?
not Dune thats for sure, only read the first book. probably mixing it up with parts of a lot of other things but I tried googling some to see if I can remember. Time enough for love by heinlein seems to ring a few bells but I only ever remember reading stranger in a strange land.
im gonna listen to this tonight
brave new world, 1984, scanner darkly, minority report, genocidal organ, harmony, camp of the saints, the trial, and many more. there are far too many horrific aspects to our reality to confront in a single piece.
honestly we're headed toward a fricked up hybrid of 1984 and Brave New World
brave new world, 1984, scanner darkly, minority report, genocidal organ, harmony, camp of the saints, the trial, and many more. there are far too many horrific aspects to our reality to confront in a single piece.
Lord of the Flies isn't dystopian fiction at all. The only nugget of truth you can get from Lord of the Flies is that it is ingrained in human nature to establish hierarchies where there are none.
They aren't imitating what adults do though, read the book.
holy brainlet, batman!
>No response
Okay
It's not only about that, it's also about the violent nature of humanity. Intellectually inclined kids (the ones who want to try and go back to civilization, try to craft a solar quadrant and so on...) on the island get picked apart and bullied by the more savage kids and end up at the bottom of the pecking order, meanwhile in the end, the kids get saved when they get scouted by a battleship, which implies that whether humans are primitive or civilized, they're still violent, cruel and belligerent, that violence is inescapable.
That's whaht I said, it is ingrained in human nature to form hierarchies. You can subtract from that that violence is human nature.
Fair enough, i get that you could say that hierarchies and violence are inseparable but it may not be so clear cut. Maybe one could imagine a nonviolent hierarchy, some kind of divine order, or something like that. But i get it
It’s weird how many people on Cinemaphile were never children.
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>They were imitating their parents
No
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So how is it you were never a child? I can understand why you’ve never been around a child, mind you.
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They weren't imitating their parents, they were acting on base instinct. Nothing about what they do in that book is taught to them. It is the strong oppressing the weak because they can.
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So they also never had parents?
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Do you know what socialization is? Because it seems you don't. Kids don't just learn from their parents, they learn from society and their peers, and underneath all that is their mammalian and reptilian brain driving them on base instinct. The fact you are trying to argue that kids only learn to be buttholes from their parents says more about you than anything else.
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So children are never a reflection of their parents. They are blank slates until they encounter other kids and then learn everything they will be from those other blank slates.
Wow. You’ve thought absolutely nothing about this.
9 months ago
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You keep trying to twist my words and misdirect and it's getting really pathetic. I've actually worked with kids unlike you and I can tell you with confidence that kids do not always learn to be bullies from their parents, in fact it is an absence of being taught by parents that turns kids into bullies.
9 months ago
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So now you’ve shifted from kids never emulate/reflect their parents to they don’t always.
I accept your concession.
9 months ago
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>I accept your concession. >Tell me you give up without telling me you give up
Whatever you say kid, go read the book you fricking moron.
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I’ve read the book. All the characters are reflective of the social classes they came form, their parents, and it’s an analysis of what happens without the controls of society.
9 months ago
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You haven't read the book.
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>All the characters are reflective of the social classes they came form
You sure ? I don't remember that part. In fact i don't think much information is given to the reader about the background of any particular child
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It’s subtextual.
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>I made it up
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You have never read Lord of the Flies, the kids in Lord of the Flies are literally cavemen.
It's not only about that, it's also about the violent nature of humanity. Intellectually inclined kids (the ones who want to try and go back to civilization, try to craft a solar quadrant and so on...) on the island get picked apart and bullied by the more savage kids and end up at the bottom of the pecking order, meanwhile in the end, the kids get saved when they get scouted by a battleship, which implies that whether humans are primitive or civilized, they're still violent, cruel and belligerent, that violence is inescapable.
Can you stop saying this reddit. In Brave New World people are cloned in petri dishes and the caste system is self reinforcing by way of every caste being educated to believe they are the superior caste. The only way it is even remotely comparable to real life is that they are started to teach kids about sex which is fricked up and the scene where the book gets its name from. In every other way Brave New World is painted as being a dystopia where 99.9% of people are happy with the status quo and the 3 people that aren't are basically allowed to leave at any time without consequence.
They aren't imitating what adults do though, read the book.
[...] >No response
Okay
[...]
That's whaht I said, it is ingrained in human nature to form hierarchies. You can subtract from that that violence is human nature.
>not comparable to real life because they are petri dish clones
except that isn't what everyone thinks is a mirror of our reality. it's the pleasure being used to numb you to your subservience, drugs being liberally given out to citizenry to subjugate, encouragement to move away from monogamy into care free casual hookup culture with no plans for family, worship of technology (fordism). there's more but i don't plan to sit here making more comparisons for someone so stupid they boil all of the novel down to "pteri dish clones, but everyone is happy"
i mean a) that doesn't negate everything i said about it and b) genetic caste systems are possible and preferable to the ruling class. aldous huxley's brother was president of the british eugenics society. there's a reason these depictions of genetic caste systems keep popping up. these academics inundated in theory and their own little bubbles all saw the elois and morlocks as an inevitability,
Movie is absolute trash, you cant even understand what rly is going on if you havent read a book, and even then, its just cheap imitation ofnit, it vaguely rolls over all the themes without saying much. It's shit, rly shit, but the book is great, just read that
Brazil is my favorite movie of all time. 1984 (the book) is enjoyable enough, but the visceral snap back to reality in Brazil is just really well done, and the rest of the movie is entertaining both visually and verbally.
who the frick watches the movie for 1984? the movie is horrible.
read the book you moron.
The book isn't even that good either, it describes a dystopia that does not make any sense whatsoever. Brave New World was the same idea but came first and was 1000x times realistic.
Because the good movie corresponding to the 1984 book is titled "Brazil"
Brazil's ending is completely at odds with 1984. In 1984 The State triumphs over the rational mind, in Brazil the irrational mind is the final escape of the main character from The State. Almost diametrically opposed.
>Almost diametrically opposed.
not at all. the state wins in both. if you are just trying to escape the state in your irrational mind, the state has triumphed over your rational mind.
Mate.
Mate.
You're fricking moronic.
He's right and you are owned.
dunning-kruger in effect, folks
weren't there two endings to brazil?
The good ending of Brazil is just what the main character hallucinates during interrogation. Did you watch it until the end?
>Brazil's ending is completely at odds with 1984. In 1984 The State triumphs over the rational mind, in Brazil the irrational mind is the final escape of the main character from The State.
Just like the real brazil 🙁
Read the manga.
Animal Farm is superior in every way.
The book.
Babe goes into the city shits over animal farm
gunsmith cats was better than the 1984 movie
what the FRICK ever happened to Kenichi Sonoda?
Borin weebshit.
that's a child
she was canonically a child prostitute too
>that's a child
It's just a drawing. Get over it.
brainlet Hispanic moment
Well, yeah. Everything Japan's created is far, far better than anything America has created for the past 247 collective years. Japanese animation, alone, is one of the greatest modern achievements in all of human history & is more fundamental than food + water tbh.
1984 is one of the shittiest novels out there and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
I've noticed that I automatically disregard anyone's opinion if they ever bring this shitty book up in a conversation, especially a political one, it's one of those books that give you an insight into the low level of reasoning you can expect from the other person without even engaging any further with them.
OK, rothschild.
trying too hard.
it really is
Big Brother is a caricature of a perfect police state
in reality such regimes are plagued with corruption and are hopelessly inept.
checked
my problem with the notion of Big Brother is how utterly restrictive it is, it's what an uninspired person's view of authority looks like.
in reality the most optimal forms of control are those that work behind the scenes and do not interfere with people's decisions and way of living, giving people an illusion of choice is far more effective.
Then again I don't hold it against Orwell, he wasn't born in our era, it's like expecting someone from medieval Europe to write about the industrial revolution.
The united states really made a white camouflage and said to themselves this is the best camouflage we can make.
What a crazy time that was.
>in reality the most optimal forms of control are those that work behind the scenes and do not interfere with people's decisions and way of living, giving people an illusion of choice is far more effective.
That's "Brave New World'. Not as entertaining as 1984, but far more relevant to the present era.
He wrote it in the 40s imagining what a world controlled by the Soviet Union would look like.
free will is an illusion
>posts an image from a franchise where the final point is that’s what they want you to think, what they tell themselves to justify their actions.
He was quite literally used in a chessboard by something incomprehensible, his choises count as much as guesses but I do agree with you
>in reality such regimes are plagued with corruption and are hopelessly inept.
Confirmed for not reading it, or if you did read it, confirmed that you're a dumb speedreader. Big Brother _is_ hopelessly inept, but it doesn't matter because it has all the power.
been years since i've read it, but it was still prophetic in ways that people don't really understand (the common observation that it predicted the 'surveillence state' or its a criticism of 'government authoritarianism' as key elements doesn't do justice to how astute some of the insights made in it are. Same with Brave New World - I find it far more interesting imagining it as the a display of the critiqued Crystal Palace from Notes from Underground far more harrowing than thinking of it as "tv controls u").
Of course, Orwell wrote 1984 as a vague warning against the authoritarian regimes of the time (specifically, the Stalinist USSR), but many of the ideas of how language controls what we can even think about, how things are manipulated and controlled (which he imagined in the form of government which isn't as relevant to us as say, Big Tech). Shit, it even mentions demographic shift in Goldstein's book.
that being said it has been years since ive read it.
You are a fricking moron.
t. Big Brother
>aaah i am a sub5 male and the government assigned me a beautiful blonde white who mentions the party whenever i nut inside her
>i'm going insane, help me goldstein!
1984 is proof that incels did not exist in the past
*beautiful blonde wife
Gotta agree with this guy, also 1984 is one of two books (the other being Brave New World) that is constantly abused by redditors to JUSTIFY fascism.
>Ugh it's like 1984, they literally want to kill us for being gay and keep us as slaves
>That is why we need real Communism this time
absolutely moronic take. ignoring the fact that you sound totally disingenuous and that you are trying to build some make believe strawman
>ugh the novel is shitty because someone used it to prop up shitty ideas i don't like
Actually I never said that was why the novel was shit, I just agreed that the novel was shit and then as an addendum stated that redditors love to use it to justify fascism. The novel is shit because because it is clumsily slapped together social commentary that is on par with Atlas Shrugged in how hard you can feel the author seething through the pages when you read it and it is in itself a strawman of authoritarianism.
>redditors use it to justify fascism
>>That is why we need real Communism the time
communism is not fascism, idiot. i would also love some examples of when they do this, because i have only ever heard people say shit like this
in relation to 1984 and "why we need real communism this time."
that was a good one
>communism is not fascism
it literally isn't. both are totalitarian. but sure, if you want, lets just pretend words don't meaning like a couple of trannies. homosexual
>URM IT LITERALLY ISN'T, IT IS TOTALITARIAN BUT IT'S NOT FASCISM, THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL
>abused by redditors to JUSTIFY fascism
No. They use it to justify liberal democracy.
I hate you for deflectng what liberal democracy does as
>"that was fascism. Our system has never been tried
Liberal democracy always gets away with terrible crimes because it just blames other systems. It takes the form of a goopy blob that can't be pinned down or held accountable or reformed.
I like it, but Brave New World is better and more pertinent.
Tankie alert
who’s the bigger midwit?
the midwit who, fed by popular culture, has read a book meant to open people’s eyes to the potential of state overreach, and dilutes its message for popular appeal.
or the midwit who disagrees with everything said book says purely out of spite for the masses that subscribe to its now popularized viewpoints?
>t. seething zionist
>DUNE is one of the shittiest novels out there and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
ftfy
>the book and its author are a testament to pre modern literature
>decide to forego actually reading the book and form an original opinion on whether the previous statement is true or not
>watch a movie adaptation because its easy
>"I expected better"
>"I expected better"
read the book
Great full frontal though. Really nice bush and breasts. And John Hurt was great as always.
Nah you're wrong; it was a pretty good movie, surely not on the same level of the book but they did well. The score is great, all the actors are well cast, the world it's set in also doesn't look far from what one can imgine by reading the book
>bro this is just like george orwell's 1984
>it was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual!!
>[insert politician/state I don't like] is just like big brother
>you should read more books...I recommend 1984 by George Orwell!
>bro, me not being allowed to say the n-word is literally 1984
>taxes are literally 1984
>pronouns are literally 1984
>wearing masks during a pandemic? literally 1984
>[insert literally anything] is literally 1984
if you like this book, you should have a nice day
it's funny how much this book makes people seethe. there are very few pieces of media like it that should be innocuous that make absolute morons start huffing and puffing like it. really makes you think.
I don't particularly agree with the sentiment but I think it's due to this being the one book every moron online quotes, it feels as if they haven't read anything else.
>it feels as if they haven't read anything else.
they probably haven't, and they probably only read it because of high school. and they quote it because enough people who actually know what they are talking about bring it up a lot. but there is something to be said about a novel so powerful that both morons and academics alike can recognize the parallels to our own reality. obviously it isn't a 1 to 1, but there are similarities. and anyone who automatically dismisses a person or thinks you should have a nice day for liking the book is far more indicative of the intelligence of the naysayer than the proselytizer.
It's actually funny because none of the people that compare things to 1984 have even read 1984, they just know it is about fascism.
Ubiquitous state monitoring of individuals, restructuring language to control possible thought, always at war or in crisis? Yeah, nothing to do with 1984
That's liberal democracy though. It needs outside enemies and constant wars to keep the internal political inbuilt divisiness from ripping the system apart.
don't forget rewriting history to fit current political thought.
I think the people who shit on 1984 are missing the fact that Orwell was not so much inventing things that could happen as he was observing things that WERE happening and trying to taking them to their logical conclusion. he didn't invent doublethink or memory holes or newspeak. that's all stuff socialists have always done.
All of that stuff exists in liberal democracy right now
we don't live in a liberal democracy
Yes we do.
Are you one of those
>real liberal democracy has never been tried
people or am I misunderstanding?
the us is a police state dressed up as a "liberal" "democracy"
Liberal democracy necessitates a police state and constant wars to keep the population in line.
It IS aliberal democracy, you just don't like how it functions in reality vs how it taught you it functions. There was a lot of this dissolutionment towards the end of the USSR as well about communism.
Liberal democracy is as liberal democracy does.
What does a "real" liberal democracy look like? Real world examples please.
read brave new world. It's much closer to our reality now.
>It's much closer to our reality now.
then where the frick is my state mandated gf?
>state mandated gf?
didn't read it. it's all about no commitment orgies. wanting someone to yourself is weird and wrong in BNW.
no one breeds, all test tube babies. the book literally opens to an explanation of this.
yeah but arent they trying to get them to breed/ find the perfect pairing to create the perfect human or some shit
no, and procreation between two individuals is outlawed. their whole system is supposed to be self sustaining, they'd already got it all figured out. it's just a machine. the orgies and soma being used as a form of subjugation, as people focus on pleasure rather than their stagnant, mechanical existence.
>orgies
I will now read your book.
hmm I should read again then because im clearly thinking of some other kino. Is it anything like brazil?
>Is it anything like brazil?
never seen brazil in its entirety, just scenes here and there. have been meaning to watch it for a very long time, but i just never get around to it. so i can't comment on if it is like brazil. from my limited knowledge, i'd say no, though. brave new world is very clinical, if that makes sense.
>im clearly thinking of some other kino.
are you mixing it up with parts of Dune? or really any other eugenics focused sci fi?
>are you mixing it up with parts of Dune? or really any other eugenics focused sci fi?
not Dune thats for sure, only read the first book. probably mixing it up with parts of a lot of other things but I tried googling some to see if I can remember. Time enough for love by heinlein seems to ring a few bells but I only ever remember reading stranger in a strange land.
im gonna listen to this tonight
>not being biological bred to breed
born in the wrong time again
honestly we're headed toward a fricked up hybrid of 1984 and Brave New World
brave new world, 1984, scanner darkly, minority report, genocidal organ, harmony, camp of the saints, the trial, and many more. there are far too many horrific aspects to our reality to confront in a single piece.
This image would be funny if the hourglass didnt constantly fill up with more grains of truth that support it.
>handmaids tale
literally nothing about that shitty book/show is happening now
The image doesn’t imply it is. Same with lord of the flies, the matrix, gattaca, soilent green, animal farm, clockwork orange, or logan’s run.
Lord of the Flies isn't dystopian fiction at all. The only nugget of truth you can get from Lord of the Flies is that it is ingrained in human nature to establish hierarchies where there are none.
>kids left alone instantly make hell on earth because they’re imitating what adults do
>not dystopian
>imitating what adults do
>human nature
They aren't imitating what adults do though, read the book.
>No response
Okay
That's whaht I said, it is ingrained in human nature to form hierarchies. You can subtract from that that violence is human nature.
Fair enough, i get that you could say that hierarchies and violence are inseparable but it may not be so clear cut. Maybe one could imagine a nonviolent hierarchy, some kind of divine order, or something like that. But i get it
>kids don’t imitate/emulate their parents
It’s weird how many people on Cinemaphile were never children.
>They were imitating their parents
No
So how is it you were never a child? I can understand why you’ve never been around a child, mind you.
They weren't imitating their parents, they were acting on base instinct. Nothing about what they do in that book is taught to them. It is the strong oppressing the weak because they can.
So they also never had parents?
Do you know what socialization is? Because it seems you don't. Kids don't just learn from their parents, they learn from society and their peers, and underneath all that is their mammalian and reptilian brain driving them on base instinct. The fact you are trying to argue that kids only learn to be buttholes from their parents says more about you than anything else.
So children are never a reflection of their parents. They are blank slates until they encounter other kids and then learn everything they will be from those other blank slates.
Wow. You’ve thought absolutely nothing about this.
You keep trying to twist my words and misdirect and it's getting really pathetic. I've actually worked with kids unlike you and I can tell you with confidence that kids do not always learn to be bullies from their parents, in fact it is an absence of being taught by parents that turns kids into bullies.
So now you’ve shifted from kids never emulate/reflect their parents to they don’t always.
I accept your concession.
>I accept your concession.
>Tell me you give up without telling me you give up
Whatever you say kid, go read the book you fricking moron.
I’ve read the book. All the characters are reflective of the social classes they came form, their parents, and it’s an analysis of what happens without the controls of society.
You haven't read the book.
>All the characters are reflective of the social classes they came form
You sure ? I don't remember that part. In fact i don't think much information is given to the reader about the background of any particular child
It’s subtextual.
>I made it up
You have never read Lord of the Flies, the kids in Lord of the Flies are literally cavemen.
Hey, thanks for tying every moron take to one person.
It's not abput humans, it's about the British.
It's not only about that, it's also about the violent nature of humanity. Intellectually inclined kids (the ones who want to try and go back to civilization, try to craft a solar quadrant and so on...) on the island get picked apart and bullied by the more savage kids and end up at the bottom of the pecking order, meanwhile in the end, the kids get saved when they get scouted by a battleship, which implies that whether humans are primitive or civilized, they're still violent, cruel and belligerent, that violence is inescapable.
You know it’s not a true story right?
That's what the story is about. Whether it's right or wrong is another topic.
Can you stop saying this reddit. In Brave New World people are cloned in petri dishes and the caste system is self reinforcing by way of every caste being educated to believe they are the superior caste. The only way it is even remotely comparable to real life is that they are started to teach kids about sex which is fricked up and the scene where the book gets its name from. In every other way Brave New World is painted as being a dystopia where 99.9% of people are happy with the status quo and the 3 people that aren't are basically allowed to leave at any time without consequence.
holy brainlet, batman!
>not comparable to real life because they are petri dish clones
except that isn't what everyone thinks is a mirror of our reality. it's the pleasure being used to numb you to your subservience, drugs being liberally given out to citizenry to subjugate, encouragement to move away from monogamy into care free casual hookup culture with no plans for family, worship of technology (fordism). there's more but i don't plan to sit here making more comparisons for someone so stupid they boil all of the novel down to "pteri dish clones, but everyone is happy"
In Brave New World nobody has parents and there is a sub race of goblinoid people that live in the pipes.
i mean a) that doesn't negate everything i said about it and b) genetic caste systems are possible and preferable to the ruling class. aldous huxley's brother was president of the british eugenics society. there's a reason these depictions of genetic caste systems keep popping up. these academics inundated in theory and their own little bubbles all saw the elois and morlocks as an inevitability,
Movie is absolute trash, you cant even understand what rly is going on if you havent read a book, and even then, its just cheap imitation ofnit, it vaguely rolls over all the themes without saying much. It's shit, rly shit, but the book is great, just read that
the movie is mediocre. You have to read the book. Don't be so obtuse, OP.
1984 remake featuring gay romance when?
starring will smith and chris rock
>watch 1984
>it's not about numbers at all
wtf
I was around in 1984. The soundtrack to the movie didnt have Madona or Michael Jackson in it, its bs
Brazil is my favorite movie of all time. 1984 (the book) is enjoyable enough, but the visceral snap back to reality in Brazil is just really well done, and the rest of the movie is entertaining both visually and verbally.
>2+2=5
how do you respond to this without sounding mad?
1x1=2
checkmate whitoids
call him a Black person, see how he likes them apples
i keep making blonde ai mommy gf's
cassie cage and android 18 are goat
I want to watch 1984 for Burton's performance. Is he good in it? Unfortunately his career was in a slump in his last years.
He was great in the role, despite having dementia or some shit on set
>despite having dementia or some shit on set
No no you don't understand he was just preparing for Lear.
This is the first I'm hearing about it did he really have dementia before he died?
Should've read the book instead of watching that boring as frick movie. I fell asleep trying to watch it
Asimov’s review of 1984 is the only work worth reading on the topic.
frick that autist
1984 was just some Handmaids Tale tier pop-political ""'commentary""" that boiled down to "people I don't like are bad"
from a certain point of view all people can bad
who the frick watches the movie for 1984? the movie is horrible.
read the book you moron.
The book isn't even that good either, it describes a dystopia that does not make any sense whatsoever. Brave New World was the same idea but came first and was 1000x times realistic.
>that does not make any sense whatsoever.
oh, so just like real socialism
>the movie is horrible
Not at all, it's a solid movie, the book just conveys those ideas much better
Come on, anons, say it with me:
I <3 BIG BROTHER.
you can't fit all the details in the movie, have to read the book
>watch gunsmith cats
>it's ultra /k/ and Cinemaphile kino