>watch a movie with "Patlabor" in the title
>there are only 5 minutes of patlabors
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>watch a movie with "Patlabor" in the title. >there are only 5 minutes of patlabors
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>there are only 5 minutes of patlabors
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well if they wanted a fun robot movie then maybe the JSDF shouldn't have gotten involved in the gulf war. did you ever think of that OP you homosexual?
Ohhh so that’s why people think so highly of patlabor 2, they’re not even fans of the originals
see
Early Days was the first animated Patlabor. It has a mix of lighthearted episodes, goofy/spooky episodes, and serious cold war technothriller (just like the second movie.)
Personally I like all of it, but I particularly like the more serious episodes. I'm also a fan of early Tom Clancy novels so... maybe the people who dislike this aspect of Patlabor don't like this kind of thing but I do. I don't think Patlabor would feel complete without stories like this. If Patlabor were all lighthearted antics it would feel imbalanced to me.
I think highly of the originals but I like Pat 2 too even if vastly different. You can't judge The Godfather just because it ins't like Die Hard lmao.
The last time I checked, The Godfather wasn't a sequel to Die Hard.
I don't give half a rats ass about 90s nipponese politics either way, but they shouldn't take up half the runtime of a feature film about robot police.
>The last time I checked, The Godfather wasn't a sequel to Die Hard.
And? Would GodFather be bad if it was?
It wouldn't be bad, but using a brand to sell something entirely different is a scummy and lazy tactic. If a work can't carry itself on its own merits, another shouldn't have to.
>get a whole film of goto talking with kenji kawai's music in the backround in exchange
its a good trade
>patlabor TV and OVA
>whacky funny robot police adventures
>patlabor movies
>boring doom'n'gloom talking heads and politics
What happened?
>First movie
Please, don't install shitty OS on your Labor
The first movie is a great mix between the two and is a lot of fun, outside of the show it's my favorite entry in the franchise. Movie 2 is really garbage unfortunately and feels less like Patlabor and more like a soapbox for Oshii's commentary on international affairs and the nature of war. It's exceptionally boring outside of a few standout quotes in a sea of monotony, but I want to give it a second chance soon
I watched OVA and two movies a few months ago. The first movie gave me all I want from Patlabor franchise. Collapsing Babel is fricking kino. Second is aged poor for me
I thought Early Days to be underwhelming when I first watched it outside of great characterization since the situations the crew were put in weren't much fun, but yeah the first movie is basically everything I love about Patlabor in one package.
The reputation Patlabor 2 has to be one of the most underserved in elitist anime circles. Can't believe I see it jacked off so much
>The reputation Patlabor 2 has to be one of the most underserved in elitist anime circles. Can't believe I see it jacked off so much
I think it's the more realistic aesthetic that make people think it is better than that "childish cartoon".
Thanks for the link. Interesting read.
I think people who complain about the second movie must not have watched the Early Days OVA. Patlabor isn't all sunshine, sometimes Patlabor is grim and serious. The 5th and 6th Early Days episodes are tonally consistent with the second Patlabor movie.
I'm just not a fan of it because it all comes across as very politically naive, in the vein of a college student's understanding of how geopoliticals and international relations works. Like, Miyazaki was an outright communist back in the day and yet from this conversation between him and Oshii, he still felt more grounded on the conservation
http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/interviews/m_oshii_patlabor2.html
A lot of military themed Japanese media has anti-war themes, I expect it and don't let it bother me. For better or worse it seems to reflect modern mainstream Japanese values. I don't agree with their perspective, but I see where they're coming from and I think I understand why they think the way they do.
Even in the Patlabor episodes where they aren't putting down military coups, these peculiar quirks of Japanese culture still peep through; their reticence to use firearms and inability to get training time with firearms. The offense the SV crew feel when they realize their labor training data may be used in military labors. The episodes where military labors go haywire and endanger the public.
Patlabor 2 is not an anti-war movie, it can be spun that way, but I think Oshii is very clearly advocating for Japan to beef up its military and self-defense and get more actively involved in international affairs
I’d leave it there anon, anymore of this will just go towards off topic territory and we all know what happens when threads do that.
Agreed, there’s also the television series that everyone enjoys
Maybe. I interpreted it to be a warning against Japan engaging in foreign military interventions/etc. The rules of engagement imposed by Japanese values would get Japanese soldiers killed. And furthermore, that this sort of thing could increase the risk of a military coup in Japan.
Patlabor 2 is stylish as hell and I'm surprised to see this much hate for it even if you think the hype goes over the top.
I think it's more that Oshii is saying you can't have it both ways and if Japan is going to be involved in international trade and international geopolitics, which it seems doomed to be after the influence of America during and after the occupation, then you can't keep pretending to have you hands clean to the extent you leave your civilians vulnerable to attack. It's a bit like how America got taken by surprise by 9/11 because many Americans had lulled themselves into a false sense of security that US neoliberalism had won the game of history and nothing historically unprecedented or combative could happen on home soil again. Playing house while helping wage wars overseas. Seems Oshii wants a more honest order of being.
In contrast, Tsuge's prototype in the Early Days OVA just seems to be a standard ultra-nat imperialist.
>Patlabor 2 is stylish as hell
Aesthetically it's great, but that's about as much praise I can muster for it along with some great action set pieces. I despise what they did to Noa's character design in the second movie though.
>Miyazaki's vision of a realistic Patlabor 2 is Tsuge gives the order to fire because his men are in danger, and then the rest of the film is him at his court-martial arguing how nonsensical it is to send troops into an active combat zone and telling them they can't defend themselves
I'm not saying that can't be a good movie, I mean that's basically A Few Good Men, but that's even further from Patlabor than what we got.
I'd still watch it tbqh
Oh no don't get me wrong, I'd watch it. I'm down for a military court drama. But "the whole film takes place in 1-2 locations" works better in live action
Yeah but the point is that patlabor 2 is just using the patlabor setting to use social commentary and is quite distant from the main story and characters(although they do show up). Shin Godzilla is very similar in this aspect but this is also like saying if there was an ultraman movie by the films main focus is the economy and collateral damage, pic very much related
I felt that Shin Godzilla's social commentary was consistent and respectful to Godzilla's origin in the 1954 movie. It's not telling the same message, but it's still using Godzilla in the same sort of way.
I do miss seeing guys in rubber suits smash up beautiful model citys though.
That is true, I forgot to mention how it’s fitting because the original did the same as a good example of utilizing social commentary
>I do miss seeing guys in rubber suits smash up beautiful model citys though.
Ultramen are still good for that. Damn fine model work in the last couple.
>Shin Godzilla is very similar in this aspect
I mean sorta, I saw it more as "what if Godzilla really DID show up one day? How would the government respond to that in a world where Godzilla as a character never existed?" True, a lot of the movie is about the sheer inefficiencies of the Japanese government and how it handled Fukushima, but at the same time it still works as a monster movie. In the majority of Godzilla films, the focus is always on the humans and Godzilla gets at best a third of the film's screentime.
miyazaki comes off like a total fricking idiot in this, what are you talking about? he's just saying that it's bad because a fictional character didn't make the split second combat decision he thinks was right.
>If that's the issue, I feel that after he quit the military and disappeared, Tsuge would throw technology out and start a down-to-earth life, like doing organic agriculture or something. That's more realistic.
this is like a parody
>this is like a parody
That's actually what a bunch of IJA higher-ups did after the war if they weren't put to trial, they just kinda disappeared into a quite life. Except for the dude behind Unit 731, he surprisingly went into pharmaceuticals and thought the best way to atone was using medicine to help oeople.
Or hell, the guy in that famous Vietnam photo where he's about to execute the saboteur? Dude opened a pizzeria and tried to pretend his past never happened.
What's wrong about executing a saboteur?
Not much, especially not when you find out the context of it
>dude was an unlawful combatant (in that he was a Vietcong soldier who was behind enemy lines out of uniform, which means the Geneva Convention does not apply to him) who in trying to steal I think an armored vehicle, not only killed the guy's friend but the friend's family.
>the man with the guy was the "General" of police in the city and basically said, "frick it, I'm not letting this go to trial where he possibly walks" and executed him on the spot
The man who took the photograph knew this, he knew the man personally, but sadly the public didn't see that when they saw the photo. Which would've been fine if no one ever recognized him again but 20 years later people DID recognize him at his pizzeria and he started getting endless shit over what he did from people that didn't know the full story.
the man with the gun*, I meant
doing it in front of the israeli media
maybe i should've pasted the whole exchange, he's not talking about tsuge having a different career after the military, oshii is trying to describe how fighting from a buttoned-up vehicle adds a layer of uncertainty that adds to his hesitation and miyazaki takes as it a blanket statement about technology and what would be a "realistic" reaction
>That's why I used the wienerpit of the combat robot, filled with monitors. (The issue is) whether you can really feel that your life is actually in danger, in a situation where you are surrounded by such secondary information.
the date of the interview is also ironic, give that just months later this exact situation would play out multiple times with fatal and tragic results as UN protection forces in Kosovo hesitated or failed to act in uncertain situations when under strict RoE and strong domestic political pressure. places like srebrenica or vrbanja were much egregious than tsuge's hesitation that he calls unrealistic and says wouldn't happen because professional military officers don't think like that according to him. maybe the stock cartoon commander he puts his films wouldn't. just absurdly out of touch
The UN forces in Serbia hesitated because until there was finally real intervention, it was a repeat of Rwanda where "keeping the peace" basically just meant "stand there and watch one side get slaughtered, no don't ask why you're even there"
UNPROFOR was supposed to be a real intervention, everyone except Nordbat 2 was just too afraid and hesitant to do anything with their mandate even when confronted with the realities on the ground.
Hence why I said it was just a repeat of Rwanda until Clinton out of nowhere went full gigachad and just started bombing the Serbs if no one else would
The big problem in Kosovo was the Russians. While they were nominally a part of KFOR, they were quite obviously on Serbia's side.
Their plan was to move quickly to capture the capital's airport (sound familiar?) to land airborne forces and secure the city for Milosevic. The incident almost ended up in a shooting between NATO and Russian forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_at_Pristina_airport
>and miyazaki takes as it a blanket statement about technology and what would be a "realistic" reaction
I think what Miyazaki was trying to say is that in doing nothing and just letting his men get killed
>I'm just not a fan of it because it all comes across as very politically naive, in the vein of a college student's understanding of how geopoliticals and international relations works.
How can you still type this shit in 2023, bro? Patlabor 2 is literally "life imitates art" case.
>Type/Shit reactionimage
Opinion automatically discarded.
>How can you still type this shit in 2023, bro?
The public has always been misinformed and short-sighted on foreign policy, anon. That's why they don't get much say in it compared to domestic matters, they usually don't see the big picture.
>a guy like Oshii who got to personally witness foreign policy in action thanks to post-WW2 Japan events and the Korean/Vietnam wars and the Cold War at large doesn't "see the big picture"
now you just sound like the naive college student
Nta but unironically the only people in Japan who "get it" when it comes to geopolitics are the conservatives, even if they're naive elsewhere. Which Oshii is not, neither is Miyazaki obviously. He's too busy looking at the pieces on the chessboard and not the overall chessboard itself. Or to put it more simply in a way maybe Oshii will understand
>Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.
I'm starting to think we're all naive college students no matter what
Miyazaki is still an outright communist, he just got disillusioned with specific Marxist orgs and western bios took this as him being disillusioned with Marxism as an ideology. In 2014 when being interviewed for The Wind Rises he reiterated that Marxism and specifically its egalitarian ideals, continue to be what he strives for. Some people will think that's good and others will think it's bad but it bears repeating since there's this common misconception that he aged out of it.
True but he did leave the party after the USSR fell because while he does believe in the ideology, he clearly doesn't think it's a good one to run a government around if it can't keep itself from collapsing.
The final set off episodes in Early Days are more analogous to Movie 1 than Movie 2 imo, for sure Patlabor is also serious with high stakes but I really never found it to be " grim " and tedious the way the second movie was.
you got filtered, that's what happened.
Japanese bubble burst
Miyazaki is correct about Mamoru Oshii. He makes pretentious boring shit movies. People only put up with it for so long because of the animation porn. Now he's been irrelevant for over a decade now.
>He makes pretentious boring shit movies. People only put up with it for so long because of the animation porn.
That's literally what Miyazaki's movies are. He forgot about making fun shit for the past 2 decades and now pretends his opinion is worth anything.
Why did his output drop?
Age, boredom, complacency, lack of new ideas or any combination of those.
>Japanese """comedy"""
Fricking cringe. Ghost in the Shell is better
Well look who it is
I fricking love Japanese humor, anon
i laffed
Far as I care the only bad part of 2 was the ending. The battle in the tunnel against Ixtl was fun, albeit a bit frustrating since it makes the members of SV2 look incompetent despite years in the field, but then they go up the elevator and Tsuge just... surrenders? That's it, movie over? Kind of a wet fart compared to the Zero battle and Noa shotgunning its computer at pointblank range.
Preasu understanduru it’s boring so it’s smart
So you're saying the movies are patlaBORING?
The movies were always the weakest part of the series.
>mecha/toku is more politics and character drama than action
so it's good!
I think tsuge was right.
It was a cool 5 minutes
i need more mechs wearing flak vests
Patlabor 2 sure aged gracefully.
The context isn't the same, so meh.
The closest alternative today did end up in a full scale war, so...
holy kino
Does Masami Yuuki have a heroine addiction?
Do you think he wants to be dominated?
Wait till you watch movie 3.
You'll love it.
I loved the third movie but I sat there thinking, who wanted this set in patlabor's universe, it could've been a fine standalone mystery movie..
That's how I saw it too.
Patlabor is a serious mecha show
You trying to say something about kendo, lardass?
Best entry in the whole franchise for that exact reason, Patlaboring has a bad cast.
Hey guys can you stop with the political chit chat and help me out here with this thing?
Better than that time I watched Top Gun.
never understood this complaint when it came to this movie specifically, all patlabor has barely any robot action aside from the TV series lol.
With the conversation this is headed tbh, one false step could make this go full /misc/. I’ve seen it happen before so please restrain yourselves from going to far
just remember that OP is using the easily searched shot from this scene for bait rather than the more characteristic final few frames which he would have used were he to actually care