>Watched the R&S reboot leak
>was the most painfully mediocre shit I've ever seen since, probably worse than APC
>barely any gags, most of it is just "plot"
Why would anyone want to neuter Ren and Stimpy? The show's whole premise is to be as shocking and gross as possible.
Paramount intentionally made it bland just to get back at John K.
He's suffered enough, mostly by his own hand
Says CartoonBrew of course and the oppprtunist who cancel him
>barely any gags, most of it is just "plot"
7 writers
thats the issue.
7 failed live action writers were given a job for a show that is designed to be board driven.
>Why would anyone want to neuter Ren and Stimpy?
The reboot is a writer show, they're only interested in collecting a paycheck and moving on to "bigger and better" things someday. Not once had any interest in making a real cartoon.
The writing was on the wall the moment Bob Camp and a bunch of other former Spumco crew quit out of frustration.
The Patrick Star Show feels more like a spiritual, yet kind hearted version of Ren & Stimpy anyways and it’s vastly funnier. Bob Camp would’ve been completely miserable had he stuck around for this mess.
New SpongeBob in general is a better Ren & Stimpy than this mess
Patrick star show is funny and fun and im tired of pretending its not
>The writing was on the wall the moment Bob Camp and a bunch of other former Spumco crew quit out of frustration.
QRD? I've seen mentions and posts on this but nothing about what was actually happening?
tl;dr, but the project is now run by robin and some college kids
This makes perfect sense. John K was fricking right.
God, imagine being a veteran cartoon industry artist having to deal with nepobabies and animation/film school kids.
John K worked with Ralph Bakshi who was anti establishment. It no wonder why John K is right about a lot of things. Being an butthole or creep does not dismiss their passion in animation. Animation as an artform is an outlet and John K's outlet is with drawing pretty girls.
I don't have to imagine, because John K has shared enough industry experience for me to know.
share some good blog posts, digging through the trenches for the occasional nugget of wisdom is tedious
This single image is worth a thousand words.
why was john so anal over shrek? RnS is literally intended to be gross to look at.
Ren & Stimpy isn't gross just for the sake of being gross even when it was being grossout it still had appealing art, at least during John K's seasons. Shrek lacks anything appealing to the eye.
>Ren & Stimpy isn't gross just for the sake of being gross
neither is shrek
Yeah but Shrek doesn't have appeal either
Doooooooo they though? Ask any older normie about Ren & Stimpy and they're bound to have some pleasant memories with it.
Shrek is considered universally funny, R&S is really niche at this point.
R&S is only niche nowadays because the property has been stagnant for two decades and didn't receive a lot of reruns on any major networks.
Sadly a similar thing could be said about Looney Tunes near niche status now.
normies stopped respecting Shrek after the third film. At the time Shrek 1 was loved, and Shrek 2 was unironically considered one of the best cgi movies ever.
And yet more normies find Shrek appealing than R&S.
I never thought John K would like classic Disney toons. He always seems more like a loony tunes/tex avery guy to me.
He liked the older B&W shorts, back when animation principles weren't a thing yet.
Well I guess that makes sense. Mickey was made when having a characters ears move to the side of the skull wouldn't get storms of people yelling "le anotomy".
He likes the technical stuff, not really the characters because they're very bland.
Donald and Goofy have potential to be stand-out characters, but I guess Disney didn't want them getting into Warner-esque antics.
?
Classic, thanks!
Donald branched out differently. Through the comics, which lead to duckberg and scrooge spawning.
Goofy became a family man type of character through the 50's, TV show and the films.
Trying to compare old Disney short to old loony tunes is like trying to compare apples to oranges. There trying to accomplish very different things.
Here's the cliffnotes version.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Blog/JohnKStuff
>rejected by the show writers
FUUUUUUCK!!!
Hmm, guys I think the writer's guild were the baddies this whole time.
Writers have been a plague on the west for the longest time across both comics and cartoons,
>Inb4 Moore, Morrison, Ennis, Osterman!
Exceptions to the rule that are explicitly popular thanks to being exceptions rather than the standard, I say we need to have a requirement that if you can't draw, you shouldn't write just to be safe, for at least 50 years to a century. This is the only way to save production in the west.
We have plenty of hack artists that aren't great writers.
John Byrne, Todd McFarlane, Genndy Tartakovsky, Monty Oum, and yes John K.
R&S is just one of the shows where you don't really need to put much effort into writing. So while it absolutely doesn't need to be writer-driven, that shouldn't be used as a baseline for everything else.
>Exceptions to the rule
no, anon, they are not exceptions
no way what a mess..... the series IS BASED IN VISUAL GAGS WHY WOULD U DO IT???? no wonder it felt blank and numb....
btw i'm rewatchin the og show and..... its so much better.... even s4 episodes made me laugh by how bad it was compared to the reboot... just sad.
This is hilarious in hindsight because John K fricking warned Bob about this
>I dont give a shit if we made the show together you cant make this show what it is without me
>the worst dude you know was right
John K was always right... always...
Except on Iron Giant, not sure what he was smoking there.
Iron Giant is a good movie by movie standards, John's gripe comes from the stock acting employed by the characters. Once you spot what "Disney acting" is, you'll never be able to un-see it. Lots of flailing arms and head tilts, stuff that's more performative movement than it is true "acting".
Disney acting has gotten so much worse than even normalgays are starting to become aware of it, Wish got heavily criticized for it.
The true CalArts style, not the beanmouth style normies associate with the term
Like hell he is. APC is what happens when John K gets free reign over R&S. He creates incoherent shlock because the original show's main strength was dancing around the censors, and JK lacks ANY sort of restraint. Meanwhile the Reboot is what happens when new blood are all too comfortable staying within even stricter limitations. It's bland, lifeless conformity that goes against the spirit of the show entirely.
In truth, Ren and Stimpy was always doomed to be a lighting in a bottle. It worked through a delicate balancing act that simply isn't feasable beyond the era it was made.
APC was way better than this. And in hindsight it's a bit underrated in general.
No the frick it isn't, it's the extreme opposite end of terrible. You'd either have to be severely contrarian to defend that rancid shitpile, or believe that these things are binary instead of simply accepting that BOTH shows can be terrible at once.
I stand by what I said. APC was disappointing, but it wasn't soulless. It had some good jokes and memorable moments. I'd take APC over this reboot any day.
forgot pic
>APC
>underrated
APC is rated exactly right. It's mostly unwatchable, pacing is completely off, and the jokes don't land. The best APC episode is Ren Seeks Help and even that doesn't really quite get enough laughs, although it's high on drama.
There's no doubt APC has more interesting animation (if not outright good animation) and more interesting voice acting (if not outright good acting) but I wouldn't call it "better", it just stands out more because, like you say, it has more personality. Not a good personality, but at least it has something, unlike this bland reboot.
>In truth, Ren and Stimpy was always doomed to be a lighting in a bottle. It worked through a delicate balancing act that simply isn't feasable beyond the era it was made.
That said, I agree with this. We're not getting the same great show we had in the early 90s ever again. It's impossible.
What I don't understand is why get some of the guys who worked on the original show but not let them run it/write it? They're the originals, they made the show, they'd understand the characters the most, and also why get new people in who don't understand the formula and want to put THEIR spin on it and create THEIR interpretation, because their version is going to be SO MUCH better than the original? Just stick to the formula.
>Why not let the original team make it?
Why not let the original creator make it?
>they're only interested in collecting a paycheck and moving on to "bigger and better" things
GOOD
LUCK
FRICKERS
Any more episodes leak?
Nope, just the hell and squatters ones.
more would've leaked if that homosexual didn't out the website it came from. Now it's been taken down
Paid Viacom shills, it happens.
I still got access to other episodes since I didn't get them from that website but I thought one was enough for people to see how shit the show is.
show us the rest. i wanna watch more kino!
I predict that the Ren and Stimpy reboot will be the new Velma with the same trolls as did for that show spamming posts and threads about how “kino” it is for easy hate (you)s
ren and stimpy '24 is unironically more watchable than velma. at least they didnt make ren and/or stimpy black, i didn't see any pronouns or lesbians in it.
It sure is, but that’s like saying that Ebola is better than Rabies. Instead it has gay god and jokes about how hard it is to be a young female screenwriter in LA while John K-as-Ren finally gets his for being a rapist piece of shit. I would rather watch something not created by a fricking rapist to begin with than a show flagellating about it or whatever the frick this is trying to do. Maybe the young female screenwriters in LA can come up with new ideas not dreamed up by rapists to begin with instead.
JOHN K ISNT A RAPIST
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
IN A COURT OF LAW
Rabies is clearly better than ebola you contrarian frickwit
Not if you actually “get” rabies (develop symptoms) since only 15 people have survived rabies IN HISTORY which very specific treatment, it is nearly 100% fatal. Ebola strains even out to about 50% fatal. But rabies is so incredibly deadly that even if Ebola had been 97% fatal instead it would still be more survivable than rabies which until very recently had killed everyone who had ever had it and still nearly always does.
I think squatters was a setup for the poodle character to eventually show up.
Relevant to this thread
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They were right. They were so, so right.
It will be quite fascinating to look back at this time in entertainment history down the road. I wonder what people will think about this blatant bias in the industry 20 years from now...
>Bland.
Donald and goofy....bland?
Why does Hollywood continue too give you inexperienced writers jobs? I don't even care about the gender aspect, like why even allow writers who are clearly hostile too the rest of there co workers do that when they aren't even that good at there jobs? If it really is a political thing, then it seems like an incredibly good way to waste money.
>I don't even care about the gender aspect,
but they do, thay's what it's all about, this answers your first question, it's about race too (anti-white that is)
>If it really is a political thing, then it seems like an incredibly good way to waste money.
it doesn't matter if companies may fall as long as the subersive propaganda machine keeps running, blackrock owns all money in the world and media exists for indoctrination
>as long as the subersive propaganda machine keeps running
You're way too paranoid. The reason this cartoon is the way it is is because of clueless, insulated, silver-spoon writers and executives who have no idea how the world looks like outside of their woke bubble.
It's why the Animaniacs reboot is the way it is (with some exceptions)
There's no sinister motive here, it's just the kids from the rich school who were never exposed to anything else, making movies and TV shows.
and you will notice how this "kids from the rich school" being hired are never men and if they are, never white
Now I know you're paranoid. Check out the credits on IMDb. This show having seven female writers is super-rare.
Touch grass.
Yeah Cinemaphile is a bunch of schizos, I do not give two fricks about any political bullshit one way or the other and never will.
With Ren and Stimpy, Animaniacs, and a lot of these old old cartoon IP reboots, I just don’t feel like most of these “new, fresh” writers:
1. Actually liked or even watched these old shows, or even like or watch them as prep to write the reboots.
2. Even like CARTOONS.
They have this dull one-liner sitcom style that would better suit a bunch of talking head actors reading them out at each other without needing visuals or even characterization. Because they’re more like people reading out social media hot takes half of the time. You don’t even need to bother with the drawings and animation or the characters’ personalities. It would be better with the writers just doing a podcast of their one liners about a topic or something.
A lot of people keep dunking on the animaniacs reboot in here but from what I saw of it it was about on par/better than the original and at least a lot more competently done than this ren and stimpy reboot. I've only watched the songs from the animaniacs reboot so maybe the rest of it sucks but from what I saw there were a few funny moments and the animation was pretty good at points, everything about the new ren and stimpy was super stiff and cheap and amateur feeling
You just said that “you only watched the songs from the Animaniacs reboot” and that’s the whole problem. Some of the songs are the ONLY part of that reboot that was written by anyone familiar with the Amblin cartoons of the 1990s cartoons, Randy Rogel, who also wrote the songs for the original Animaniacs. And that was it, that was the sole thing that had any of the feel of the original.
The rest of it was written by the same stable seemingly of very young non-animation fan writers as worked on the Ren and Stimpy reboot. Everything is very visually bland and doesn’t need to be a cartoon. For the Animaniacs reboot, the fact that none of the writers ever seem to have watched any Looney Tunes or Tex Avery cartoons really hurt that reboot and just made it incredibly bizarre for it to watch to me. I’m never going to claim that Animaniacs was anywhere as good as classic LT, but it was obviously aiming to be in the general spirit of those old LT shorts, which was the whole point of the show. Meanwhile, the Animaniacs reboot seemed like it was AIMING to be a very watered down Family Guy, by people who had never watched any Looney Tunes shorts, which was weird. It also had Ren and Stimpy style gross out gags though watered down which never happened in the old Animaniacs, which was weird, but that might have come from Spumco people. But it just didn’t fit, and except for the songs, the reboot sucked.
The Ren and Stimpy reboot feels similar in some strange way I can’t put my finger on. It also feels extra bland and sterile. They both feel to me like they are written by people who do not like cartoons. I know people complained about that with the writers on original Animaniacs, but I always felt like those writers grew up watching and obsessed with Looney Tunes and Tex Avery cartoons and the vaudeville that inspired them. I don’t feel like these new batches of writers ever watched or liked cartoons.
It is about money though, new writers are cheaper to hire
This. Once a network reaches it's plateau, the only way to continue the impossible infinite growth model is to start cannibalizing themselves by cheaping out on production costs. At some point, running with fewer people with less experience (cheaper to hire) on a tighter schedule will start to show it's wear.
Earlier post from him before the leak, back when the trailer was released
Bob Camp replied to him
See, the new show CAN be kino after all!
its not a movie so its literally not "kino"
>spumdonor
>Young and fresh
It's the 90s again but only the bad part of the 90s were executives demand the characters rap and wear sunglasses
>probably worse than APC
APC was funny af, are you from reddit?
Look, I know Cinemaphile loves to be contrarian, but let's not pretend like APC isn't awful. Have SOME fricking taste.
Altruists had some of the worst pacing in any cartoon I've watched.
A Third Dad Cartoon somehow has even worse pacing and it’s three fricking minutes
It's literally the same humor as Scary Movie or Family Guy, I think you guys are from reddit, because that's the most sheepish take from some soiboi autist doing video essays.
APC hate is contrarian, it's just people who get their opinions from Twitter and YouTube hating it because it was made by John and the YouTuber / Twitter hivemind told them it proves he's bad by himself
>He creates incoherent shlock because the original show's main strength was dancing around the censors, and JK lacks ANY sort of restraint.
Wank fantasy of being in control of people who can actually create and entertain by making arbitrary rules.
>APC hate is contrarian
Now THAT's contrarian
When APC came out, everybody agreed that it's bad. Yes, it has some good qualities like distinct character design and distinct animation and definitely distinct writing, but just being different and idiosyncratic doesn't make it good. For example, Onward and Upward is utter trash, a single joke stretched into an entire episode, and it's not even a particularly funny joke.
>Wank fantasy
For once I agree with you. Restraining John helped 1991 R&S, but unrestraining him is not what ruined APC. What ruined APC is that John was old and tired by then and had nothing new or remarkable to contribute any more, just the same old jokes, hence Naked Beach Frenzy and so on.
>Onward and Upward is utter trash
Yeah. I think the show would've performed a bit better if it started on a stronger episode. Ren Seeks Help and Fire Dogs 2 were way better.
Zoomers I've been around since before anybody expected a "unanimous consensus" to even exist. People came to discussions to hear different opinions.
>just being different
Strawman which goes to show you don't even know what people thought back then. John criticized obsession with having a unique style.
I was there and online too when APC first aired. I’m not arguing that you were required to conform to the Borg Collective or are now or anything, or that you should, or that common opinions are more or less likely to be “right,” I’m just saying that most people I came across didn’t Ike it. Is that just because it was different than R&S was before and knee jerk? Maybe. I didn’t like it, but art is subjective. The idea it wasn’t as good/it was bad isn’t “contrarian,” though. And I think that both APC and the reboot are bad.
>APC hate is contrarian, it's just people who get their opinions from Twitter and YouTube hating it because it was made by John and the YouTuber / Twitter hivemind told them it proves he's bad by himself
Eh, there's some truth to that, but APC has been hated by many people for years. That's part of it now, but it's never been As a big R&S fan, I was disappointed in APC when it was new, and didn't give it another shot until years later. It was widely disliked before Twitter and Youtube were even a thing. I appreciated it much more coming back to it, but the show is a mixed bag and understandably won't appeal to everyone. Better than this reboot though, that's for sure.
>That's part of it now, but it's never been
*it's never been widely loved.
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>”APC was Good, actually” cope in this fricking thread
I dunno if this is younger Gen Z/Gen Alpha iPad zombie kiddos dodging their parents or just lying liars who lie, but “consensus” has ALWAYS been that APC sucked from the very beginning. The popular “consensus” view isn’t always right or logical and shit is always subjective blah blah but I agree with it in this case. The reboot being shit doesn’t mean APC was good. At best, maybe it sucked in a less boring way.
Of course, humor is subjective and if you like it, seriously, good for you. But it was always widely hated. Now, I do sadly agree that that lately I find lots of widely hated older animation still more interesting than mediocre modern garbage even if I think the hate is justified, but that’s just because there is so much of this and it is so damn BORING.
Anon, please don't engage with the resident namegay schizo. guy is notorious for being a worthless leech that simultaneously worships the ground John K stands on while totally going against everything he stood for.
No fair, I will, I actually usually ignore guy to the point I just mentally screen his posts out completely. I guess I slipped up because some anons were also pushing this B.S. but I apologize, I fricked up. I’m out.
That's nice but since you're committing sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance industry people will be hearing a ton from me in the next hour, hey maybe even you too but I'll probably have to work on that one
Btw, thankful to John for teaching me to make fresh and new things the animation industry doesn't get to enjoy
this looks like a troony drew it
is this somebody's Hazbin Hotel OC? What am I going blind trying to look at?
>Going blind
That's a good result. Looks like you're with the industry and can't enjoy it 🙂
Wanker responses for generating your sexual pleasure later. I'm pretty sure all of your type have killed your ability to actually have a meaningful qualitative experience.
What is that? Like actually?
>John teaching me
Quit saying this. Nothing you've shared online has given any indication that you studied what John K posted on his blog. One of the main things he emphasizes is using forms and construction to create solid drawings. Everything you've shared is rough scribbles that more closely resemble modern art vomit than solid characters which adhere to any sort of perspective.
>Leech
You imply that I'm actually given something by the animation community. I don't even watch cartoons anymore. What is that exactly? Don't distract with some diversion.
>I’m just saying that most people I came across didn’t Ike it.
I didn't dispute this. I said it's YouTube/Twitter doctrine that "APC is John's original vision and it proves he's a bad artist." That's not even true and it disregards the drawing qualities, etc.
"guy" is not that wrong. Even on Twitter or other social media people are saying APC is better and even forgiving it.
No one likes this new version.
At least APC had an artistic vision behind it. Reboot R&S is pure executive-driven trash.
APC gave us naked beach frenzy, which had some hot girls in it, so its okay in my book.
>probably worse than APC
>probably
It's worse than the Wacky World of Tex Avery/
Wacky World of Tex Avery is worse than APC, mainly because it did a disservice to a cartoonist who was dead by the time it came out.
I meant "the reboot is worse than Wacky World."
leaks where
On my computer
I saw the montage that seemed to have plenty of gags
>the most painfully mediocre shit I've ever seen
I kinda agree
Voice acting is not bad but has no personality (Billy West is old, let him die)
Writing is full of gross-out humor but doesn't take the gross-out humor TOO far (what's the point then?)
They fixed the infamous Spumco timing but they left out the best parts (quick surprises and snappy dialogue)
5/10 it's Ren & Stimpy for grannies
Compare and contrast the first scene of Hell which is a copy of Don't Whiz on the Electric Fence
Hell: Ren barely reacts to anything
Whiz: Ren is furious and you can hear in his voice that he's gritting his teeth in anger. He's distressed and he screams
Hell: Ren "tortures" a demon by poking his eye with a cat hairball, off-screen, with a relatively sedate voice
Whiz: Ren describes in sadistic detail how he's going to tear Stimpy's arms out, he's angry and menacing and happy to be menacing. He's shaking and looks like he's havning a mental breakdown.
Hell: music cues barely register. Satan has a generic voice actor guy voice.
Whiz: strong, orchestral music cues. Satan has a 50s singer voice, tons of personality in a single sentence
Frankly I'm surprised they'd do anything with the property after the trainwreck that was APC
Holy shit Bily West is 72 years old
He should NOT be voicing Ren & Stimpy.
They should have gotten a young guy that's capable of... emoting.
I think it's fine for him to still voice the two. Jim Cummings still does voices and he's about the same age.
I didn't hate his Stimpy but his Ren is fricking unbearable. Some of the flattest emotionless line deliveries I've ever heard because he just can't do the voice.
They should’ve gotten Eric Bauza back.
From what I saw and heard Eric Bauza dodged a major bullet. As good as his Stimpy voice is (and it is very good) I seriously doubt it could have saved this trainwreck of a sham of a "cartoon".
>They fire the old crew
>They hire the old voices
Why we got the worst outcome?
Because people attacked John K's vision that drove the whole production and heavily inspired similar productions like SpongeBob.
Adult Party Cartoon at least had hot girls
the only people who hates APC are liberal puritans with dyed hair
parasites
Agreed
That means frick all when the animation and writing are godawful. The beach episode is easily the worst episode of APC, it takes every single raunchy beach comedy cliche in the book, repeats all them THRICE, and pads it out to a 22 minute runtime.
The girls especially are poorly animated blow up dolls with literally nothing going on between ANY of them. Can you list me a single character trait between the girls that goes beyond "Bimbo"? It's one thing to have a girl that exists to be a vehicle for lewd jokes, it's another to ctrl+v that same girl onto basically every other character that isn't the shock value butch that's there as a fake out.
I went into that episode wanting some nice cheesecake and funny sex jokes, and all I got was a boring, miserable experience that felt like hours to get through.
APC was alright
It was a mixed-bag, but at least it made me laugh sometimes and feel something.
That’s the good shit
Nice
John K and Ralph Bakshi already did an anime parody in Mighty Mouse, a parody of the Real Ghostbusters show up in the show and are drawn in a 70s anime style since that show was animated in Japan
Does anyone have the leak?
I have it downloaded but I'm not able to upload it rn
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base64decode that for the link
thanks for the dolphin porn
It’s not worse that APC only because APC was human excrement, but goddamn is this utter garbage.
It really does remind me of the Animaniacs Reboot. It’s completely devoid of humor or passion. I guess feeling like everything was written by ChatGPT is part of it, or that everyone in the writers’ room has taken extremely heavy sedatives and is just barely awake. It’s amazingly devoid of all interest or personality.
I don’t know if it really is true but it’s how I get the feeling that the new writers hate these shows and resent being forced to be a part of these projects at all.
APC was underrated kino
Who thought it was a good idea to need almost 10 writers per episode?
writers need jobs anon! writing is very important!
Makes me wish the writer's strike was still ongoing.
I'm not following that shit. Did it stop already? Is so, that was quick.
Lol, that's what I get for using voice typing. God I hate being a phonegay
It's not completed, right? They forgot to do the in-betweens.
Good golly gosh, who could've seen this coming?
Already in the thread, moron.
That explains a lot
Humor by committee
I still don't understand how executives can be this tasteless and have such tunnel vision.
Clearly Ren and Stimpy is a product of its time. You can't remake Ren and Stimpy nowadays and expect to be sucessful if the writers can't even learn how to understand the formula.
Watching the original show you can easly have a notion that the seriesis heavly animation lean and plot and consistence is no-existent.
Its a simply episodic comedy where the characters are friends in polar oposites personalities but they work! The jokes where absurd and cynical, it was really a hit at the time cuz the cartoon didn't cares about teach morals and such, it was two silly characters messing out and being chaotic in diferent ways.
If they wanted to do it right they could.
but I think the real reason this got put money and produced wasn't to do it right or even gain money.
There is this fear the CEO's have in givin way too much liberty for the crew and resources i think. Also i think executives that aprove this stuff are bland ignorant and too restrictive and in bad faith. if they cared about represetantion in the staff... then why the heck greenlight a reboot of a cynical comedic old nicktoons? instead of idk a original idea..? like what not call back the showrunners that got their stuff canceled or not greenlighted? what is the issue?
just the same as it was with clone high i think. people online put hype on it, executives only see numbers on it i think, its a already know IP they can re-use over and over again i think. So like why care just keep doin the same stuff just because its the easy way for them... now both parties are mad and nothing is done right. Now they wonder why indie animation is thriving.
>I still don't understand how executives can be this tasteless and have such tunnel vision.
Listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw7VMPu3DCU
1. Inexperienced writers room because "young and fresh"
2. Artists given no leeway by the writers
because "writers are young and fresh"
3. Old, tired voice actors (Billy West is 72) because the writing is important, not the art or the acting
Basically they put EVERYTHING on the writers, and the writers were inexperienced.
When John K made Ren & Stimpy, he already had two shows under his belt, Beany and Cecil which sucked, and Mighty Mouse which was kinda okay. And even before that he directed some episodes on The Smurfs and The Jetsons.
So he had EXPERIENCE. Writing and directing two shows and change.
Yes, you want young people with fresh ideas. But they have to have experience. And the executives forgot that part.
I really don't want to see that video.
But i agree that having experience on the area is essencial.
Its possible to have people working on the show and be like young and still do a pretty good job if they have references and have worked somehow in series (and understand what the original was about)
I also think that conversation skills and knowin how to articulate with people on the staff is crucial even if the parties don't agree in certain things. but it seems like these are the main problems in this situation, too.
but still, the whole deal with reboot of old IPs seems conflictant to me.
>the whole deal with reboot of old IPs
People like what they know, and executives like what they think people know. It's why Ghostbusters got rebooted. Everything needs to be a franchise now because franchises make huge money.
yeah what i was thinking, they fear of loosing money so re-use old stuff rather than giving a pinch of hope to new stuff and hearing what people want and how to work and giving oportunities i guess. still in that market mindset rather than quality of the media.
>Beany and Cecil which sucked
As bad as it was, the story behind it is interesting. The network starting out being prejudiced against Kricfalusi because of the flower sniffing scene that got him fired from Mighty Mouse. The Clampetts insisting that John K be the showrunner because they personally liked him and the way he preached the gospel according to Clampett. The network insisting on the show being script-driven which meant John had to be stuck with the guy who would go on to create the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme song/Two and a Half Men/The Big Bang Theory on account of a writer's strike that kept him out of live action and absolutely hating his work (even making fun of it in the finished episodes). John having a massive chip on his shoulder because of getting fired from Mighty Mouse and sneaking in risque content at the layout stage (the network only look at and signed off on the boards), pissing off the network when they saw finished animation with gags they never approved. Bruce Timm being absolutely miserable over these conditions. Just a perfect shitstorm.
i can’t exactly blame some of them; that John k scandal must’ve hurt ‘em really bad:
Here's Bob's thoughts on it.
I remember a time when you had to rifle through page 50 interviews in some once-yearly magazine to find out what the creators think about any particular work
Now you can just google it
What a time to be alive
Bob was being diplomatic. Bill Wray goes in for the kill.
this is the 3rd time this has been posted in the thread for the love of God
Did know that this show has almost as many staff writers as Rick & Morty. R&M has 10 SWs currently based on the latest season's credits but if you count R&S' 7 SWs along with the person who does the teleplay and the extra storyboard artist who did additional writing. That's about 9 (8 barring the one storyboard artist) staff writers who write for this shit lol.
haha it says OJ and that's OJ's glove
geddit
ok that is interestin, but i can't believe this joke would pass in the reboot. its from APC right?
"Make it scary, but not TOO scary."
"Less scary."
"Less scary."
"Even less scary."
"Perfect!"
Who even asked for a Ren and Stimpy reboot in this day and age?
worse than animaniacs?
Yes, but not "bad worse", just "bland worse"
Everything is muted
I don’t know, this feels exactly the same as the Animaniacs Reboot to me, but while having a bunch of shitty blandified Spumco Lite Ren & Stimpy style humor in the Animaniacs reboot just felt weird and out of place in a reboot of a show that never had that style humor in it to begin with, in an actual Ren & Stimpy reboot it feels just plain bland.
I almost feel like the Animaniacs reboot and the Ren & Stimpy reboot could be from the same show though it’s all bad and wrong. It feels like this kind of homogenized slop that people who never watched cartoons from the 20th century imagine they all must have been like. It’s kind of uncanny.
Both are equally as bad IMO
>The show's whole premise is to be as shocking and gross as possible.
I thought the magic of the original show was to get away with as much as possible while keeping it PG?
This is depressing
next time scroll before posting
Who else wants to post it?
ooh, me! ME!
Hi Zac Vega! I know him and met him before. I saw him posting this image but I'm not sure if it is his.
All I know is that is a mobile screenshot.
Was this the guy who made the "King Crab: Space Crustacean" pilot for Cartoon Network in 1999? a shame Cartoon Network never picked it up, that short was fricking great
Kino
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Meh. Bill Wray is an amazing visual artist but he's not that funny. He's lucky he didn't get his own show. And I hate Charlie Adler's voice acting.
It's a crime Monroe never got an animated series or a pilot.
Bill Wray's post about it
you guys are gonna want to see this
Being hot garbage nobody wants to watch isn't as bad as being associated with John K because he made friends of Matt groening mad!
I wanted to say that the Hulu Futurama revival was fricking awful, they even recasted Billy West as Amy's dad since "you can't have white VAs voicing characters of other race", yet they have the nerve to have a "cancel culture" parody episode after that VA recast, the season was so toned down that they're not even allowed to show Leela's naked ass like in previous seasons
Writing and animation quality are legit complaints, not recasting and lack of nudity
Nah, recasting and toning down the show by censoring nudity are legit complaints too.
Agreed
Y'all seeing this?
>A young inexperienced women's writers room
Seems these are becoming more and more common.
>Hell episode
>didn't laugh once
>animation feels clean and lifeless
>cliched heaven and hell plot
>Ren learns a lesson at the end, this has literally never happened in all the 92 episodes that came before
>sassy gay black God
>Billy West sounds ancient
rubbish, 1/10
>Squatters episode
>I laughed 3 times, a much better premise that felt more true to the show
>it felt like they were trying to make it more gross and ugly but still the smoothness remains
>an improvement but not quite R&S, something different
okay, 5/10
Crazy to see that Sandy Honigand Alyssa Stonoha from Three Busy Debras are writers. That may explain a lot...
Glad I'm not the only one that thought Squatters was better. It's still far from being a good episode but at least it tried to focus on being funny instead of whatever the hell that hell episode was.
>Autistic nitpcking incoming
Something that did irk me however is that Stimpy gets tired of Ren's shit and decides to leave him for Jan, Stimpy would never leave Ren. He's supposed to be his battered pal that sees the good in him and is too much of a dumbass to know better, he would alway stick by Ren's side no matter how abusive or terrible Ren gets because Stimpy is that kind and compassionate. You could argue that this change of heart from Stimpy could be interpreted as "character development" or whatever but that shit doesn't belong in this show.
Does this seriously fricking happen? God knows I only watch Ren and Stimpy to watch a serious hard hitting drama about recovering from abusive relationships that no longer even has Ren and Stimpy in it because of how triggering and abusive that unacceptably psychologically healthy “comedy” would be instead of a ten hour lecture about therapy. Christ.
Why the frick did they make this show at all? What is it instead, a public service announcement about how dogs and cats getting hurt isn’t funny you sick freak and you need therapy for even turning the reboot on?
If they actually had any morals they would leave the pedophilia show dead from the start instead of trying to profit off of it.
>the pedophilia show
People have started picking up on this but that’s very obviously because Ren = John K in this reboot and the reboot is all about making a statement on all of the shit that went down with him. That IS the entire point of this show.
This person did a far better job and the animation is more unfinished than this.
Sorry, I want to say this is better but that would be a lie. Even if the animation is limited the drawings still need to have a lot more intensity and emotion to match the soul of a R&S ep. Nice try, though.
Any re-upload of the leak ep? Catbox had the original one expired
honestly i want to put it on ok ru already so it will stop bein striked down so easly
Here! It'll last three days.
>Here!
The way you commented it, I'm not clicking it
Okay.
Don't expect to be spoonfed again you homosexual.
ill save you the click, its a scaily reptile with a trobbing wiener in his boxer while holding an cofee cup saying " World's Best Buldge". I was hoping it was dolphin porn but its close enough i guess.
Someone finally fell for it!
Here's the real one!
All you did was post something that's even gayer somehow.
>Low-energy Ren.
>Billy West trying to do Stimpy, but can't hit the highs.
>Trying to mimic John K's, even Bob Cam's humor, but completely defang it.
can catbox PLEASE FIX THE URL PROBLEM
an worm just entered your device
Silly boy! It'd need to be a .bat or .exe. The .exe I know catbox doesn't allow.
Women wrote this! How can it be gay?
>The show's whole premise is to be as shocking and gross as possible
That's less than a quarter of the show. Silly
What's the deal with this c**t?
that was when the animation industry were up in arms about any ren and stimpy reboots due to john k antics
what did john k do?
child gf
he’s a pedophile and a predator and anyone claiming otherwise is full of shit
the thing is that every other reboot or revival these days seems to be changed so it is about how the men who worked on the originals and or men in general are evil. the thing is in this case it is absolutely 100% true but this show is also so radioactive because of it they should have left this piece of shit franchise buried in the molten core of the earth and nuked any attempt to bring it back from orbit. replacing all of the writers with feminists who write about john k going to hell doesn’t fix how fricked up making this to begin with is
t. queer getting off on hating him and violating his fans
>the thing is that every other reboot or revival these days seems to be changed so it is about how the men who worked on the originals and or men in general are evil. the thing is in this case it is absolutely 100% true
How convenient!
>he’s a pedophile and a predator
Can you think of a single other one that revolutionized a field? (I'm guessing you want to say Catholics wankass)
they should've rebooted rocko instead. always liked it better anyway.
Judging by the Rocko special, it wouldn't have been any good. We've just got to face that we're not going to get the same show as the original with any of these. Even if you got the whole original staff of a cartoon back, people change over 30 years. Joe Murray wasn't the same young guy he was back when he was making Rocko in the 90s.
Mike Judge is the only exception I can think of, Beavis and Butthead has been good for both reboots. But even there, the tone and feel of the show has changed a bit from the original.
>The first half of it was so on point with the original show
>but then the Ralph plot happened.
The Rocko special stings more. At least I knew this Ren And Stimpy reboot was gonna smell.
Yeah man, Rocko special was a big letdown. I was actually looking forward to that one, and the trailers looked solid.
40-year-old John K had sex with a teenager and got off scot free.
So, you're jealous, as that seems to be the attitude of John K haters. They speak fapfics, not with any concern for adolescents
There are 1000s of serious wrongs being done to children, you talk about this for self-gratification and because it won't make Hollywood pedophiles mad
still hung up about John K, he lives rent free in her head.
you are a moron.
So she deliberately sabotaged the show just because she didn't like it?
robyn wtf
you know that is kind of based on its own way, at least ceos learn to pick up better ideas hahah
LMAO Production coordinator is one step up from the job you give an unskilled intern fresh out of school. She wouldn't even have any influence on the show's content in that role. It's basically passing files around to everybody, making spreadsheets, tracking shcedule type shit. They clearly just gave her a job out of pity.
Let's say Ren and Stimpy did an anime spoof or parody or tribute. What's the right anime or manga for them to emulate?
Super Milk-chan
Hard mode: No "Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt" or "Crayon Shin-chan".
Ren and Stimpy is the Evangelion of cartoons in terms of how it influenced their respective industry, and also because they both share the same themes of psychological breakdowns.and daddy issues.
But an Evangelion parody would be trite at this point, wouldn't it?
Astro Boy
Shaman King
I mean look at Ponchi and Conchi, and tell me they don't look like tributes to Ren and Stimpy
It's funny because Ren & Stimpy showed up as parodies and homages in plenty of anime.
They had a Ren & Stimpy parody in Panty & Stocking
>APC
God that was the worst shit ever. Only recall liking the pitching joke, gay saw scene and the frog episode out of the WHOLE thing. When I say like I mean it didn't bored the hell out of me. Like on par with the worst Dexter's Lab episode during it best moments.
I can kind of understand this shitty reboot not having a "Ren & Stimpy created by John Kricfalusi" in the credits, but if they end up using one of the characters created by Bob Camp (Willbur and Haggis McHaggis) and they don't give him any credit then that would be truly stupid, kinda reminds me how the Animaniacs reboot had Katie Rice all over the credits but never credited Tom Ruegger or Paul Dini for the characters they created
Maybe I am stupid but who did Paul Dini or Tom Ruegger ever rape or mistreat? Of course I know damn well why they avoid mentioning John and frankly agree but I have never heard any shit of any kind about them.
Easy there big boy
Credit shouldn't be decided by controversy you clown. It means you did something, not that you got a good boy point from Hollywood.
She became part of a feminist cult and so tore down a man for profit and pleasure
I've been posting in these threads for a while, no prior knowledge of my work?
You're speaking to get off during your masturbation sessions. You've spewed this garbage before and I'm screenshotting it to send it to Industry people
If you read my articles you'll see that I'm discussing things about construction John never did as I've been working on since I was a teenager. but of course, then you'll be thinking about something besides wanking to rule 34 artists that enjoyed Ren and Stimpy and read John's blog and you're pissed and frustrated that I'm not one of them
He also discussed thousands of different things but your burnt out coomer brain only knows that "construction" is somehow important for getting you your porn drawn
The new writers trying to rehabilitate this into some kind of bland educational social justice show like this is just fricking sad. These characters were created by a child rapist and this franchise is completely and totally irredeemable by those metrics. It has nothing to do with the characters not modeling good moral behavior for the audience hard enough. You cannot possibly ever fix this.
You type like a woman
What a piece of shit. This is so damn depressing and stupid.
>worse than APC
that is the saddest thing i've ever heard, it does hurt
>make reboot
>it’s written exclusively by filthy rich women who are nepobabies with zero creative or life experience
>show is not even about Ren and Stimpy anymore the entire script is literally just the rich LA writers who wrote it talking about what it’s like to be a wealthy writer in LA (I am not fricking kidding watch the fricking leaks)
>Ren is nakedly just a stand in for John K and Stimpy is nakedly just a stand in for John K’s rape victims
>again I am not fricking kidding at all watch the leaks
>to the extent Ren and Stimpy even matter to their own show it’s only so the female writers can make a whole series using Ren as a stand in punching bag to lecture and vent about John K’s abuse
Holy shit they are not even fricking pretending this is about anything else.
Is this just because they feel guilty for making $$$$$ on Ren and Stimpy unless the show is just a long rant about female LA writers as themselves talking about how evil John K I’m sorry Ren is for abusing them I’m sorry I mean Stimpy? They have so barely bothered to file off the numbers in these leaks that they haven’t at all.
Anybody with half a brain one this was going to suck ass the moment it was announced. If you thought this was actually going to be any good, that’s on you.
It feels like APC, but for kids. So it's like extra shit.
JKDS is quite strong, both here and in the 'toon.
WHERE ARE THE OTHER EPISODE LEAKS
We aren't getting anymore leaks because someone snitched about the website Nickelodeon leaks were coming from.
was it a rabbi
I didn't get the leaks from that website it was somewhere else and I still have access to other episodes that have been recently delivered. I haven't leaked them because I don't think anybody wants to see more though.
Wouldn't hurt to share and satisfy our morbid curiosity, assuming you won't get caught. How do they compare to the leaked one? More of the same?
A good case for leaking the remaining episodes would be as Exhibit A of "How not to go about making a cartoon".
The only other episode I'd like to see is the Stimpy get iPhone episode. It's already been partially leaked via a few clips and images.
>fl
They're lost their psychoticness
I feel like the thread has reached it's maximum usefulness.
Let it go.
Perhaps the same could be said for Paramount as well.
>saying that as soon someone mentions they have more episodes to leak
Sus
heres link to the full old series torrent
https://knaben.eu/live/dl/1337x/?path=Q2ZESjhGaTFHbWZwaklOTmtUTDJzcF9peVdLbHBmd1NOZ19udHY3NEpET1YxRV9zYlhzTkNPNlpHQ3RpTDhVenB4S1JCeFJNcnJNR1lQV242RlN5YTV3SlktVzdvbWNMRC1WYzZ3UzJVSlFya0JpTU44VTZMX0doLXNobW5fSHZFVG9oQ0xfZjJ6c1d6QWFIZTlfTU1NYXgtVTdwTHNYTVpEZ0o5aVAzWnh4OUZlLUl6X2ZHVkRmQ1BUSG1qS1JuTEwtclMwMGJXSDFXUU9tcU1MaVV0Rkl1X2ZGc3ZjRXd5T0tVN004UkdWbFBDd2ZZcTFoTTFTMlRjQ211YjFHUGdtS294Zw&file=The.Ren.And.Stimpy.Show.COMPLETE.S01+S05.DVDRip.544p.x264-FileLeaker&knabensource=https%3A%2F%2F1337x.to%2Ftorrent%2F4609472%2FThe-Ren-And-Stimpy-Show-COMPLETE-S01-S05-DVDRip-544p-x264-FileLeaker%2F
27.09 gb the highest quality torrent avalible
This is NOT the full old series. Many scenes were edited out from the DVDs (e.g., the "Bloody Head Fairy" scene from "Haunted House" and the Clam scene from "A Hard Day's Luck").
Extremely sus
Let me restate this again, NOTHING is going to capture the magic as the original first two seasons. People like you need to stop hoping for that. It was a lightning in a bottle situation and it will stay that way for eternity.
It's true that there's no way it could've been exactly like the OG, but this could've been an opportunity for a new cartoonist driven cartoon from the industry that isn't just SpongeBob or Smiling Friends.
>writers
>on ren and stimpy
Without John K there's no way I could draw such incredibly complicated faces. Thankful for his guidance, and only wish there were more to participate in my development with his philosophy in mind so I would be a more advanced artist by now.
To put it nicely, while that drawing looks interesting. I have no idea what it is or what you're trying to convey with it.
Even in John K's bad work I can tell what he was trying to go for with it.
>Even in John K's bad work I can tell what he was trying to go for with it.
You are claiming that I care what you can tell with no evidence that is true. What I care about is what he did for me - what have you done for me? You're not part of the conversation
You should care if people can tell what you're drawing. If they can't then you're a bad artist. Simple as.
>Your definition of artistic quality is pleasing you
What a surprise, since 90% of John's haters seem incapable of anything besides masturbation when it comes to cartoons.
I don't even want to know how you perceive the world in order to please it. I'll stick with my faith and people I like.
I want to kill every single israelite in Hollywood so bad
07/05/2024 the day Cinemaphile finally admitted that Cinemaphile was right all along