>WB legit thought this piece of shit was going to make a billion dollars and be loved by everyone
Why? How? Is there a bigger dumb corporation than Warner Bros?
>WB legit thought this piece of shit was going to make a billion dollars and be loved by everyone
They legit thought Michael Keaton Batman would have the same hype as the three Spider-Men in No Way Home. Not realizing that Zoomers don’t know or care about Keaton Batman.
They also thought people would be so’y gasping in excitement over the CGI multiverse scene instead of laughing at the bad CGI and criticizing the use of dead actors.
>a bigger dumb
You mean a dumber?
I would've liked a Tim Burton Batman, not a Keaton Batman.
0 craps given about the actor. It was the director and the way he made those films that was cool.
I liked Keaton but you're absolutely right, Burton would not have shot a scene with him floating down a missile silo. He would just get inside and ambush, or drop onto people from the shadows. Burtonman was not a daylight character, that's Nolanman.
I dunno about that, watching Ms. Peregrine I realized he threw all the subtlety out the window at some point.
Regardless of what modern day Burton would do, we've had 30 years to stew on his vision of Batman and we know how he would act and move..and this wasn't it.
I wouldn't put so much faith in modern day Burton, dude has largely lost his touch since that first shitty Alice in Wonderland movie. Hell, I'd even go as far back as that shitty Wonka remake if it wasn't for Corpse Bride.
Corpse Bride was pretty mid too.
I enjoyed it well enough, it had a nice romance story with some neat claymation that's all I wanted out of it really. Compare it to that aggressively mediocre Alice movie where everything looks ugly and the plot is a mess and it might as well be Citizen Kane.
>zoomers
Eat shit and die amerifat
This. Zoomer here and I care for Michael Keaton
>In reality only cares for Burton's Batman movies, especially Batman Returns wich is a 10/10 Kino superhero movie
>CGI multiverse scene
All they had to do was have Flash run through a basic flashy CG corridor with old footage being shown around him. Like what the tv show did but better looking. Or the time travel sequence from the Snyder Cut. Just add prior footage and newly filmed footage for the altered events around him and you're good. But no. These creative types wanted to be so ambitious with it without the required talent and budget to properly pull it off.
The "chronobowl" looked ugly even without the multiverse stuff
Generally the CW show did the things the movie did more cheaply but more smoothly
Dammit I remember when just seeing clips of 90s Flash and then-CBS Supergirl during time travel made us show viewers mark out hard
Yeah, despite being a low budget soap opera the Flash tv show basically did everything you could have ever hoped for from a Flash property in live action. For TV Barry, going back and saving his mom is the culmination of 2 seasons of drama set up from episode 1, and realizing that he can't do that because it breaks his own timeline and causes even bigger problems and he needs to stop trying to treat time travel as a consequence-free solution to his problems is a good growth for the character that also is healthy for the show because it means that Barry won't try to undo every little thing that goes wrong from now on.
And the CW Crises arc managed to get back pretty much everyone who was still alive and had ever done DC work on TV in the past who would answer their phone. You were not going to get that level of reference coverage again.
The Flash movie did a flashpoint about Barry going back and saving his mom where that plot is so anemic that his mom having to die to set things right *isn't even the emotional crux of the events that follow*, its younger Barry giving up his existence. The movie doesn't even dwell on who killed his mom or show who the killer was, and has shit like references to a movie that *never was even made* that only like 5 nerds in the audience would even get.
Its embarrassing when the CW does your job better than you AND did it before you by almost a decade.
if they somehow convinced Bale to show up as Batman instead, it would probably generate similar amount of hype
They should have just cgid him since they clearly don't give a frick
No it wouldn't have. No one's given a shit about him since dark knight rises came out and disappointed everyone
TASM2 was received way worse and people were hyped for Andrew
What rock have you been living under? Zoomers are obsessed with Bale, he carried the marketing for Thor 3 even before the current generation rediscovered Bateman
Literally no real Nolan trilogygay wants this. They're all happy with their grounded, pseudo-realistic corner of the universe and would feel like superpowers and multiverses are a sacrilege.
Probably like with everything else in the DCverse is that they're 10 years too late. This is what I've always wondered, why the frick did man of murder happen in 2013 and why did this film happen in 2023? Why the frick did they take so long?
They were stuck playing catch-up ever since Iron Man 1 caught them flatfooted, so they rushed Green Lantern, then MOS, etc.
any hype for Keaton Batman or Sasha Supergirl vanished for good when the first reactions came out and it was revealed they both die in very stupid ways
i don't really care about Flash spoilers because it turned out to be shit but
>Keaton died
>they were going to make Batman Beyond if with Keaton if the movie did well
lol what the frick
I mean yeah I know it's the multiverse but what the frick. Not even Marvel is trying to make a Peggy Carter movie/show after MoM or are pretending they can keep using Patrick Stewart when he's in his 80s and died twice as the character.
Because the ending was gonna have Keaton in Affleck's place, and Supergirl either replacing or coexisting with Cavill, then Affleck has a post credit scene from another universe/timeline
This got reduced to "lol Clooney" so Keaton and Supergirl's closure got hung out to dry
they should have gotten Bale Bats back if they wanted that kind of reaction but something tells me they did try to approach Christian Bale for it and he made the right choice in distancing himself from this dumpster fire
Bale has pride and is kind of snooty when it comes to picking roles, he said he only wants to do Batman again under Nolan's direction
Did the WB suits actually watch No Way Home? Did they not realize that a large amount of the hype comes from seeing fan-favorite versions of characters...you know...*interact* with each other?
And no, Ezra Miller's Flash isn't a "fan favorite" character. Nor is Edgy Supergirl who can barely even be called a "character".
Having something resembling a decent story would help, too. No Way Home's story is dumb and full of contrivances, but at its heart it's about a kid making a dumb mistake and learning from it, which makes sense for Spider-Man as a character. Meanwhile, Flash is supposed to be about a dumb kid thinking he can change the past, except it constantly forgets it's supposed to be about that and focuses instead on shallow references, bad jokes, and multiverse/time travel mechanics that are somehow completely nonsensical despite the movie's insistence on overexplaining them. No Way Home made the right choice by focusing on the characters and their relationships/interactions as much as possible.
They should've just made a Batverse movie. Keaton could have been swapped out with any other Batman and it would've made no difference. Him not interacting with Batfleck at the very least was a huge mistake.
>>Did the WB suits actually watch No Way Home?
Of course not, they had their assistants summarize the movie and audience reactions and they said everyone went
>ooh aah!
when Garflield and Maguire appeared
I'm starting to wonder how little humanity suits have. I get that they just want money, but do they have any sense of... anything? At what point did they detach from people so much that they don't get
>make good product
>people will buy it
They seem to be under the impression they can force people to buy something that isn't a necessity, then act shocked when their business collapses.
>They also thought people would be so’y gasping in excitement over the CGI multiverse scene instead of laughing at the bad CGI and criticizing the use of dead actors.
Honestly, if only it didn't look so shit...
That's the funny thing. Their first option was Bale, they actually tried to get Bale but he rejected them.
The fact they thought "OMG RECOGNIZED THING" quirky funness would be enough to overpower the disturbing manmade horror of uncanny reanimations of the dead, that's really all you need to know for how fricked up their priorities and sense of audience are.
They should have used Superman as the selling point instead of Batman. Henry Cavill, Brandon Routh, and Tom Welling together. Maybe throw CW Supergirl in there as well.
I can't imagine being given the keys to one of the biggest, most iconic shared universes in history and doing whatever the frick they have with it over the last 10 years.
DC has never been a true shared universe
WB executives need to be fired. Most of them probably only got their position due to nepotism like that Cass actress in Birds of Prey or the Blacl Canary actress that slept her way into her role.
>Cass actress in Birds of Prey
What?
it wasn't nepotism she was a good actress
Not that Anon but she just does not fit the role of Cassandra Cain.
she'd have made more sense as a raceswapped stephanie brown, and i'm still convinced someone fricked up and got the offers for canary and huntress mixed up
>it wasn't nepotism she was a good actress
Yes lad, instead of go with the one that played Mulan or the actress from Shadow and Bone just cast that thing, that will do ......
Did you watch BoP? She was pretty awful
It's so fricking sad what they did to the sickest bat family member. Cast in live action only in the piece of shit fricking diarrhoea blast harley quinn movie for moronic zoomers. I will have justice.
literally laughed out loud when i saw your pic
The people responsible for that were the same ones who greenlit and let Flash go through with as large a budget as it did
They were all let go or fired after Zaslav took over
It's a good movie, it's just that people don't go to the theaters.
It's a good movie cursed with godawful CGI and a really shitty lead actor. The script itself is pretty good. As good as Snyder's version of Barry could be.
>As good as Snyder's version of Barry could be.
So not very?
Once he meets his alternate reality self he has this moment of self realization and more or less says "Holy shit I'm really fricking annoying" and he tones down so he can play straightman to spoiled brat Barry. It's a watchable dynamic.
Not gonna lie the movie made me hate older Barry for trying to be more serious and mature. I felt bad for young Barry.
>It's a watchable dynamic.
Not with Ezra's weird fricking face. God, I was tired of looking at that homosexual from the first five minutes.
Ezra Miller has never gone full Ezra Miller the way they do in this movie. With sculpted dark eyebrows, almond-shaped eyes, the insinuating lips, the perky nipples and ass, he is mesmerizing camera subject, like the young Jimmy Fallon crossed with the young Bob Dylan. He is insouciant, irritated, irascible and irresistible, like Andy Cohen on a bender of high anxiety. Just watching Barry order an elaborate peanut butter sandwich in the opening scene, with his hungry jitters and nervous speed-demon élan, made me eager for more.
With the possible exception of Deadpool, no straight-as-an-arrow DC or Marvel superhero has exhibited his level of psycho flippancy, that antic dissociation from his own heroism.
It explicitly kills the Snyderverse though
It was a terrible movie with worse CGI.
>it's just that people don't go to the theaters
COPE
A few outliers don't change the fact that people do not go to theaters anymore. Mission Impossible, Spider-Verse, and The Mario Movie are pretty much the only successful movies released in all of 2023.
How much will Barbie and Oppenheimer make?
Oppenheimer looks mid-high. Barbie just looks mid-mid, and I shudder just thinking about all the single childless men and women going to see it for "nostalgia".
If you think either of those movies are anything more than sewage you are not allowed to pass judgement on anyone else you frickwit
lol, ok. You have fun with your nostalgia movie about a children's toy.
Oppenheimer is tracking for 50M-70M.
Barbie 110-140M. People are saying it could top Mario for the biggest of the year.
Creed III, Indy 5 just passed 300 million three weekends in, John Wick 4, Transformers did fine for the 8th instalment in a franchise nobody ever really liked, Ant-Man 3 did 2.3x production, Little Mermaid did 2.5 and helps drive parks revenue for years to come, Fast X made 700 million on 340 million, which is not as good as 700 million on 250 or 150 million would have been but still fine and you know Chinese gross helps offset domestic tax liabilities, Scream 6 made 170 on 35 which is huge - that's a class of spending we don't really see much anymore but it's obviously still viable
the problem you're having is that you firstly believe the hypemen and amateurs who get paid to write their shitty internet opinions and publish them officially, and secondly you've got hung up on "success" as being a particular number on the gross rather than the proportion of sales/spending
successful =/= billion dollars
>people don't go to the theaters.
Tell that to Mission Impossible and Spider-Verse
Holy mother of cope. Spider verse fricking flopped. Nobody gives a shit about Mexican/Black mix Spider-Man.
Maybe they should have made Barry black
I’m surprised you shills aren’t using the “MUH COVID” excuse like you did for Gunn’s The Suicide Squad.
That movie literally released same day streaming though, that's a perfectly valid excuse.
So did Dune and Godzilla vs Kong and they both grossed over 400 million
I was gonna see it in theaters before the day one release stuff, then I just pirated it.
>people don't go to the theaters.
The SMB Movie just set a bunch of records for a theatre release. Don't insult
's intelligence about "people don't go to theatres" when people have been lining up for better movies than The Flash.
>it's just that people don't go to the theaters.
You're almost there. Keep going. Why do you think people don't go to theaters anymore?
BECAUSE MOVIES ARE SHIT.
>says that in summer when a shitton of good movies are coming out
Try harder.
Which ones are the good movies
Oh you know what I just deleted my fricking reply because I'm not gonna argue with pretentious kids and/ or neckbeards about at least 3 movies which were undeniably great this summer so frick you.
You don't even go fricking outside to watch them you unfricked unwatched shitheads. Probably too expensive without a job.
The last movie I saw in theaters was Asteroid City. Loved it for the sheer craft, the theme of “no matter how big of an event affects your life, you will move on” was great, and full of lovely performances even if the film of a play within a film got a little tedious to put up with and I was damn near about to fall asleep before the alien showed up. Before that was GotG3 which was a nice jumping off point for the MCU for me since I legitimately give zero fricks about any characters they have left.
Tell me where the frick all these amazing films are at my guy, because I’m sitting here waiting for that hype train for Beastwars and the Haunted Mansion remake to die down.
Asteroid City and GotG3 were both this summer you fricking idiot. Same with Mission Impossible and Oppenheimer comes out this weekend. I don't even give a shit about the rest but there you have at least 4 movies which don't suck. I've heard Boogeyman was great too but you'd expect horror movies to be shitty these days, so noone watched it.
>Asteroid City and GotG3 were both this summer you
I know you dipshit. I’m pointing out that of all the absolute garbage released there was only 2 movies worth seeing. Oh Oppenheimer? Cool, 3 decent movies in about as many months- just BURSTING at the seams with quality this summer!
Even with your judgement thats 4 whole quality films anon. Thats far from your previous evaluation of “a shitton”.
Oh no, I exaggerated. On Cinemaphile.
Imagine that goofy fricking face molesting someone. Gives me the creeps. How small the backlash was, even by Youtube reviewers, is baffling. We're talking about guys who usually make shit up to create non-scandals.
he didn't molest anyone though, his crimes were karaoke bar fights and trespassing
proved hilariously wrong by the box office successes of the last few years when covid had many theaters closed
the movie was abominable
We have no idea how fricking moronic investors truly are
recently I was watching a few team America: world police videos and in one of them I saw that according o the creators they had to screen the movie to a few investors and when the opening came up they actually thought the whole movie would be like this and one of them screamed "THEY FRICKED US", they could even wait for the 10 second opening to end before getting desperate.
Opening is timed for convenience:
?t=45
it is the same kind of people that thought bringing Morbius back to the movies was a good idea because of all the memes shitting on it.
Many of our industries are in the hands of completely out of touch morons. Imagine thinking this shit was going to do as well as the dark knight.
Nah man, I saw it on the movies and even thought it had some decent ideas the execution was terrible and the CGI was an eye sore.
can't believe nobody picked up on the obvious autism-post here
Outside drama aside, the film was pretty good. Most entertained I've been by capeshit in years and I say that as someone who's sick and tired of multiverse stories.
It was more a time travel story than a multiverse story. Things outside of Barry's control changed, but the core story was still about time travel.
>Bring back the Snyderverse
>It's the biggest bomb in studio history
This makes me happy because (1) it shows Zaslav is incompetent, and (2) it proves the most obnoxious fans on the internet are full of shit.
Zaslav didn't bring back the Snyderverse.
>Bring back the Snyderverse
Learn to bait.
shame the hate train on DC movies has so much momentum. I generally find them just as good as any other super hero movie.
they were hopeful? god, that kind of explained justice league.
Hawaii won!
Haileyhapas..
VICTORY IS OURS.
Could it be because peope didn't want to support Erza.
I will say it was better than most of the Marvel movies I've seen but the CG was terrible throughout a lot of it.
They may or may not be dumb, but they are certainly delusional like a parent who thinks their godawful, rude brat of a child is an angel. Somewhere deep down they know the truth, otherwise they wouldn't have spent so much time doing reshoots. But their pride wouldn't allow them to admit it. It's a defense mechanism.
Disney is just as guilty of this. If they're spending 350, 400 million on Indiana Jones, that means they expect it to do 1 billion.
i actually liked the movie but the dc cinematic universe as a whole is just shit so i could understand people not caring
also the advertised villain is from man of steel
if you didn't like that movie or dont remember him that's even less of a reason to watch the movie
>if you didn't like that movie or dont remember him that's even less of a reason to watch the movie
Even if you do remember/like ShanonZod, it's still not a reason to see the movie
He does nothing in the plot except repeatedly stab Supergirl, which is kind of amusing to watch at least
Why didn't they include Grant Flash? They included fricking NIC CAGE SUPERMAN and not even a single moment to acknowledge the other popular Flash live action actor? Lol, lmao even
He dodged a bullet.
>Why didn't they include Grant Flash?
Ezra Miller apparently cut his cameo because he didn’t like Grant in real life for stealing his DCEU spotlight.
Source?
>they actually forced Miller into the show to promote the Flash movie
why didnt someone at WB get a idea and realise that the much more succesfull Flash adaptation was right infront of them
Its especially spiteful considering that the TV show gave Ezra-flash a special scene during their run to hype him up, and then they didn't get any recognition in return. b***h move.
Because he would have outshined Ezra as the better Flash.
The arrowverse unironically put the DCEU to fricking shame
It needs to be stressed the the executives of these major companies are more out of touch, ill-informed, and the most psychotic they've ever been in history. Last year, they were dead certain NFTs would change everything because they saw a large amount of funny money being moved around. Before that, they saw netflix doing well and thought "what if we all start our own streaming platforms at the same time?!"
These people are delusional in ways that are hard to articulate to people who are remotely sane. They have no idea what anyone wants or what a good movie looks like or what it is about their current production style that keeps fricking everything up, but they are so insanely confident in their own decision making capabilities that they can't even begin to fathom why they are losing so much money.
The dude playing the flash should be fricking locked up, I'd swear Zoom was behind his casting
>I'd swear Zoom was behind his casting
that would be funny. They should sneak that joke into something
Why is CW Iris so much more attractive than Movie Flash Iris? Wtf were the exec's thinking?!
I don't like either of them.
iris isn't black. simple as.
Left was hot
Right was average
Both were insufferable
>Both were insufferable
Ah, I see you're one of those
>women speak = insufferable
Incels
She was hot in snyder cut, b***h got fat and not in a good way
CW's execs are notorious for the casting couch. Remember the Fappening and Katie Cassidy?
>that pointless tooth scene
Not pointless, a callback when he lost it meeting the other Barry.
Hence pointless.
I'd say unfunny, but I'll agree to disagree.
>"Who the f- *spits tooth* are you."
And then we see the elongated scene of the dog falling down.
Good lord.
Why can't a superhero movie embrace goofiness and not take itself that seriously
Because Snyder poisoned these kids' minds irreparably.
>Snyder boogeyman
I blame Moore more than Snyder
That tooth thing isn't funny or goofy, it's just fricking weird
It's a gag, you sensitive homosexual. These characters aren't real and they're not supposed to replace your self-esteem.
This, It was uncomfortable. Guy spat his tooth into another Guy's mouth and I was supposed to laugh?
why didn't the Flash just go frick himself?
When marvel does it they get shitted on by everyone
yea by contrarian incels on the internet. people irl loved goody marvelquip movies until they were all brown and female leads.
Didn't people hate Antman tho?
More like, were really dissapointed.
>people irl loved goody marvelquip movies until they were all brown and female leads
no, it was getting exhausting by Age of Ultron
But AoU at least had good quips.
Will they stop trying to make a cgi clusterfrick spectacle and perhaps tone down to street level detective stuff?
Just watch The Batman?
I wouldn't mind more of The Batman. Stil no idea if it was good but I would prefer more of it over crap like Flash. Disregarding the context, DC CGI is so abysmal, they should refrain from it.
I thought it was just okay but it's sure as frick better than the DCEU. Hopefully it stays disconnected from all that nonsense.
CGI never looks good when used like this. I don't think there is enough money in the world to make a scene like this look good. It's good and creating car chases and for shifting around scenery to fit your needs but shit like this, or Hulk in pretty much any movie with Hulk never looks good.
2003 Hulk looked good.
Gollum from teen years ago disagrees with you. It can look great, but has to be used intelligently
>perro de terapia
Jajajajajaja
I loved that scene
The dumbest thing about modern Hollywood run on venture capital by silicon valley transplants is that they *need* to spend all that money, or they'd be accused of sitting on money, which to them is the same as losing it because of opportunity cost. At the same time, there's a physical limit to how many movies can be released, so instead of making a bunch of movies with that money, they put it all into a single cgi clusterfrick blockbuster.
>they'd be accused of sitting on money
That... I hadn't thought of that, weird situation. But the cgi studios have been complaining too that they are forced into ridiculous schedules and projects. Something's not quite right with the strategy, on top of that there's the double strike going on now too. If they have money to spend, why would they even be considering AI to replace hiring actors and such?
Okay, several ideas at work here, so this is going to be a bit reductive.
You can't sit on money, because money loses value over time due to inflation. Inflation happens when the government puts itself into debt and prints more money to make up the difference. But if you print more money than the actual value of the economy, then the value of everyone's money goes down. This is how government takes money from you without taxing you.
So, people take their money and invest it in a company like Disney hoping Disney would make a profit with it. Profit is the key word here. Having money to spend is not the same as making a profit. Making a return is a condition for getting that money from investors. Likewise, a paycheck is conditional on your work generating real value.
In order to make a profit, you need to do better than break even. Lately, Disney has not been doing that. They do have around 10 billion in cash on hand, but that is not a lot, because that money is constantly being fed back into the machine to keep the business churning. In fact, next year they will need to pay a minimum of 9 billion for the rest of Hulu, and that's a best case scenario. Comcast is going to ask for a lot more.
So yes, Disney has cash. But no, it's not nearly enough cash to be generous, or to suffer more bombs at the theaters. This is why DIsney (and all of Hollywood) is fighting the strikes, laying people off, and looking at selling at least portions of their business.
I am unreasonably upset by the fact that everything else he touches moves easily under his touch, so objects are clearly manipulable, but he swings on the broom like its a stationary object for a pointless flip. Your time-stop powers gotta work one way or the other, movie, you can't have it both ways.
Speed force, homie. He ain't gotta explain shit
This sequence makes me viscerally angry in a way that I cannot explain. Its not just the bad CGI, the CG here could be photorealistic and perfect and I would still have everything I am seeing. In fact, I might even hate it *more* if the CG was better.
Every movement, ever "facial expression" that Ezra Miller makes fills me with rage. What the absolute frick are you doing? No one moves like that. No one looks like that. Its like he is going out of his way to be a looney toon every single second he is onscreen.
How much coke do you have to be on to not only do this, but to do this *on purpose*?
>guy playing a comic/cartoon character looks and acts like a cartoon
Where is the issue?
>every single comic/cartoon = looney tunes
Can’t argue with that logic
Ah, so you're saying that the proper way to do a Punisher movie is for Frank to put on a dress and try to seduce Elmer Fudd?
Exta Miller must have the must punchable face in all Hollywood. His ability of giving great bjs has to be the only reason he is kept around
This looks like about one step up from Xavier Renegade Angel, that backflip off the pole is hilarious
Why can’t Hollywood realize that CGI babies never work?
You would think after the last Twilighy film they would have learned. But no, we still get CGI babies.
Why there's a therapy dog around babies?
All they had to do was to repeat what quicksilver has done in that one x men movie. It really wasn't that complicated.
>so to demonstrate how fast he is everything is in slow motion
ok cool
>but he is also in slow motion, just a bit faster
wait what
This
1000x this, that's what makes it ridiculous to me
Who the frick thought it was a good idea to put a baby in a microwave? In a capeshit movie for all ages? Horrific.
If I was an editor or producer that would be the first thing I would take out.
I watched a video about people who put babies into a microwave IRL yesterday, and even before that, that fricking scene creeped me out.
All those CGI babies reminds me of is Trainspotting.
>Flash can make things move at super speed by touching them but can also suspend himself on falling debris like it's frozen in time
This doesn't make sense. Like, even by speedforce bullshit standards this doesn't make sense.
wow I've heard for weeks how bad the CGI is and it's literally worse than what I imagined. I hate Ezra Miller's goofy fricking face too
It's just bad taste to use babies like this in a non-parody movie
For instance, the baby scene in The Untouchables was dramatic, the parody of the scene in Naked Gun was good and they used dolls
How is it "bad taste"? He literally saves the infants from death.
I've never seen a scene with more forced outrage than that one, all because someone reversed the camrip footage for a meme and the media took it seriously, how lame can people be?
Well there were a shit-ton of babies for a "literal baby shower" gag
A hospital building collapsed
The hospital had a maternity unit on the top floor
The babies fell to their death until Flash slowed time to save them
I fail to see the issue, it's basically straight out of a comic
People are too fricking dumb these days. If you made a movie with Lex stealing forty cakes, some rando journalist would feel offended at the fact that Lex stole someone's livelihood or is promoting unhealthy eating.
People are getting that stupid.
>Forced outrage on behalf of dead actors
>Forced outrage on behalf of CGI babies
>Forced outrage because the lead actor committed 2 misdemeanor crimes
why are people like this nowadays? why can't we just enjoy movies?
The movie premiered on the same date George Reeves killed himself in part due to being typecast as Superman, so CGI-resurrecting him in that capacity was surely bad taste even if unintentional
>George Reeves killed himself in part due to being typecast as Superman
Where is the source for this information? Did he ever say this, or did a family member say it? Or is it just another Chinese whisper that was somehow memed as fact?
Because from what I've read up on, it's not even confirmed he committed suicide. His death has a lot of unanswered questions.
> But among the dead man's friends there were many who called it murder, and there was no shortage of suspects or motives. The case has never been reopened, but the doubts have never been satisfactorily laid to rest.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130930144904/https://www.theguardian.com/film/2006/nov/18/features.weekend1
The outrage over George Reeves was the moment I started suspecting part of the outrage was astroturfed.
For a long time people kept mentioning that his death seemed suspicious, like
said, and then suddenly accounts out of nowhere were 100% in belief that George Reeves killed himself because he believed he was typecast
>misdemeanor
He tried to strangle a pregnant woman on film, he broke into someones house, he kidnapped an underaged girl and he has multiple assaults (striking someone in the head with a chair, etc.). He got most of the charges dropped because of his celebrity status, but if he was a regular person, he'd probably be in jail right now. It seems like he has a lot of drug/mental health issues that he isn't taking care of.
>He got most of the charges dropped because of his celebrity status, but if he was a regular person, he'd probably be in jail right now.
This is blatantly untrue. You just don't know any of the actual underlying context behind all of those things you just listed off, you just read a headline or watched a TikTok and ran with it.
>He tried to strangle a pregnant woman on film
Didn't happen. Some weird prank video went viral in 2020, the cops confirmed it wasn't an actual criminal incident, and no one cared about it until it got dragged back up again last year with the story changing, but other witnesses in Iceland in 2020 said people staging videos like that is super common. She wasn't pregnant either, just fat.
>he broke into someones house
Walked in through the unlocked door of a family friend/neighbor's place, and took wine for cooking with his Mom. He'd done it before, but his friend called the cops because he was concerned about his mental health. That's why it was dropped to a misdemeanor and trespassing. Legal experts predicted that outcome months before the plea deal was announced, because it's a typical punishment for that for any person.
>he kidnapped an underaged girl
Didn't happen. An adult lesbian hung out with him in a large friend group working on music, before parting ways to live on her own in the Midwest with her girlfriends. Ezra was only one of like a dozen people helping her secure housing and legal autonomy. Her parents then went to TMZ and claimed Ezra "kidnapped" her and was on the run from the law, even though the entire time she was 1000's miles away and Ezra was in LA working on Flash reshoots. They were also trying to have her declared mentally moronic and put into a conservatorship, convenient how most of the articles leaves that out.
>he has multiple assaults (striking someone in the head with a chair, etc.)
He has zero assault charges. Was detained briefly in April 2022 in Hawaii on suspicion but not charged.
>He has zero assault charges.
Doesn't mean the assaults didn't happen.
A lot of accusations are dropped because of bureaucratic and administrative reasons.
No, it means that the underlying context behind a headline or the full story makes it clear why an assault charge wasn't brought by a DA, who is ultimately the one who brings a felony charge against you.
Are you even aware or do you even care what happened that night with the chair? He was detained April 19th 2022 for like 3 hours, questioned and released, that's it.
A woman who was there did an interview and she explains how her abusive ex was coming at both of them with a knife, a chair was thrown in self-defense, and it accidentally hit one of the black dude's multiple wives. He then told her to call the police and say "Ezra Miller assaulted me". She got a 1/2 inch cut and refused treatment at the scene, so what Ana said in her interview tracks.
The bodycam from that night was also recently released: https://streamable.com/i8ak0e
>a pretty boy whose million dollar career rests on his face
>getting into a knife fight willingly to play white knight
dude, grow up
>A woman who was there did an interview
hearsay
>The bodycam from that night was also recently released
this is footage of a perp being taken out of a cruiser, it proves nothing about the context of why he was arrested nor about the details of the events that led to that arrest
>Didn't happen.
yes it did, there's footage
>Some weird prank video went viral in 2020,
see? even you admit it happened
>the cops confirmed it wasn't an actual criminal incident,
...cops don't have the power to do that, only to drop investigations, which is reasonable when there's little chance of Miller ever returning to Iceland
>and no one cared about it until it got dragged back up again last year with the story changing,
Miller's representative last year gave the story as "[Miller] went at her collarbone" which, you know, it's still assault, whether it's strangulation or not is not really relevant to the question of arrest
>but other witnesses in Iceland in 2020 said people staging videos like that is super common.
hearsay
>She wasn't pregnant either, just fat.
hearsay, but if you wanted to challenge that you'd need her medical records, and you'd look like a real shit turning up to court to say "she wasn't even pregnant" only to find out she miscarried
>Walked in through the unlocked door of a family friend/neighbor's place, and took wine for cooking with his Mom.
theft; taking an item without the consent of the owner
>He'd done it before, but his friend called the cops because he was concerned about his mental health
that's because the second time your rich friend treats your own limited property as his own, you've got to get the frick away from the crazy thief
the quote from the friend is “Don’t poke a hornets nest because one stung a few people.” ie, they are afraid of further harassment
>hearsay
literally every serious accusation against Ezra was hearsay
otherwise show me a non-hearsay criminal documentation in the form of an affidavit, investigation, missing person report, charge, or literally anything beyond tabloid articles for things like grooming or kidnapping or assault or anything beyond the 2 misdemeanors he actually has
you can't because it was all bullshit
I accused him of being an obnoxiously flaky, emotionally disturbed twink-homosexual, who shouldn't be appearing nude in children's movies or even starring in them.
You gonna call bullshit on that?
Nah, that's pretty typical for the EMDS playbook
> An adult lesbian hung out with him in a large friend group working on music, before parting ways to live on her own in the Midwest with her girlfriends. Ezra was only one of like a dozen people helping her secure housing and legal autonomy. Her parents then went to TMZ and claimed Ezra "kidnapped" her and was on the run from the la
If we're talking about Tokata, she was 12 and there are court records to that effect. Nowhere in the US is a 12 year old an "adult lesbian". Plenty of other documentation about their contact when she was a minor too, or the court wouldn't have filed the temporary protection order; but she was 18 and in his cult by then, so her parents let her go. Again, probably because they feared harassment, maybe because they hoped by letting their daughter try the stupid thing without interference she'd realize how dumb it was and give up. Doesn't always work but it's not the worst plan, if you can bear it.
>even though the entire time she was 1000's miles away and Ezra was in LA working on Flash reshoots
sorry was this LAST YEAR when the court couldn't locate him and he sure as shit wasn't in LA because there would have been hundreds of witnesses to that and being on set when he was supposed to be in court would flagrantly violate the production insurance for The Flash, worth literally hundreds of millions of dollars to WB, and Miller represented in official filings to another court that this single mother and her three kids weren't at his address when in fact her social media posting clearly placed them there?
>They were also trying to have her declared mentally moronic and put into a conservatorship, convenient how most of the articles leaves that out.
dude she thought she was a spider goddess bringing about the apocalypse with him
meth, not even once
Ezra's done bro. It's over. Let it go.
when was he announced as being done?
so wait the MICROWAVE IS ACTUALLY HOT but he puts the baby inside anyway?
and how do microwaves work here anyway? the travel at the speed of light so are they frozen and we're seeing him with speedforce not light, or do they dissipate when he opens the microwave, at the speed of light but obviously he's moving close to that? are there still microwaves in the microwave that was microwaving the burrito when he puts the baby in?
the reverse gif where he's putting it inside at streetlevel was funny and all but this is... this is just him putting a baby into a microwave that's a) hot inside and b) given how fast he's moving, probably still active
that fricking magnetron ain't discharged in the length of that scene, it's at least 5-10 seconds up to a couple of minutes
Flash put a baby in a microwave
The microwave is literally unplugged, are you stupid?
The microwave is engulfed in flames, are you stupid?
Also he uses it to heat up food in a pervious scene, mid air.
It's engulfed in flames because of an oxygen tank that exploded from the hospital, he lines everything up perfectly in a basically Rube Goldberg situation so that all babies are protected, including the one that goes in the microwave because it shields the baby from that fire.
When he had opened the microwave, there was already a leftover burrito inside, probably from someone in the break-room at the hospital but he didn't heat it up it was already there.
https://streamable.com/2ap3xe
Did you watch the movie?
idc frick normies and Cinemaphilemblr, this movie is great
>the ding when he realizes the baby is still in the microwave
Kek, it's an easily missable detail when all you have is a silent gif/webm.
I like how the baby smiles right back at him, and then when he hands it back to the nurse it frowns and starts crying
Barry is pure and good
Strong Buffalo Bill vibes.
>Also he uses it to heat up food in a pervious scene, mid air.
See . Plus, the burrito was already in the microwave as the hospital began collapsing. Don't quit your day job, Patel.
Why did they even have a scene about putting babies in microwaves when your main actor beats women on camera and has been acussed of child grooming and of endangering a toddler by leaving unprotected guns in his house. Seriously how tonedeaf and out of fricking touch can you be, why not scrap that scene entirely? Just boggles the mind
Having never seen this movie, I thought those were supposed to be fake babies at first then I realized they were meant to be real and the scene just kept getting worse
Wouldn't moving the babies at this speed just kill them
Or at least when he yanks on the limbs frick them up for life
>WB legit thought this piece of shit was going to make a billion dollars and be loved by everyone
Their fans are kind of moronic. So it wouldn't surprise me if it did.
>all those ads I saw prior to release that has the quote about it is "the best superhero movie ever"
You know, it's one thing to generate hype for a movie saying that's its gonna be awesome and all that. But when you use hyperbole like that and you consider all the cape movies ever made, and yes I do count the more grounded and gritty hero movies like the newest Batman and its predecessors under the same genre, it just makes the guys involved look extra foolish when it ends up tanking hard.
Also doesn't help when they make another statement saying that the cgi looks bad on purpose.
Why are you saying it like that, like it's some hot take that The Batman is a superhero film?
homosexual ya momma a piece of shit b***h
>Why? How? Is there a bigger dumb corporation than Warner Bros?
WB hasn't been a thing in years. It's like saying "Is there a dumber corporation than Fox" in the current year.
Not that they weren't dumb before though.
can't wait for Superman Flopgacy. it's already very crowded with all the additional superheroes.
This is such a financial disaster for WB that I'm worried about Mortal Kombat
At this point I'm almost confident I can write and direct a film that will break even. Where do I pitch scripts? And how do I make sure I retain the rights so I can pitch them elsewhere?
So good you will forget about Ezra Miller's crimes :^)
I already forgot
Warner Bros. problems are mostly self-inflicted wounds. Trying to catch up to MCU with Justice League instead of building up the characters with their own movie before it. Announcing Flash digital so soon after movie release that it caused panic and forced the theaters to dump it out in favor of other movies. They change and pivot direction at even the slightest bit of a problem which is the opposite problem of the MCU which didn't pivot hard enough and let mediocrity fester for Phases 4~5 and getting people to lose interest in it.
Big companies can get ignorant in their ivory towers, surrounded by an army of yes-men afraid of critisizing the top brass actions. Good example Nokia where exactly this happened. The CEOs buried their head in the sand and kept repeating "We're the best tech company in the world!" when Apple released its first proper iPhone.
Their current head is a Reality Show Slop tycoon who was used to getting millions of viewers regardless of how many bad PR stories came out about his featured subjects.
He probably thought he could coast on Ezra's crime spree to higher gawking numbers.
Can't wait to see this scene in HD
It's out on yts
je bent du snel indeed.
Kino
Here you go. (part 1)
(part 2)
How do they keep doing it? These look even worse than they did in the theater.
DC's Justice League The Game(2010 PS3/XBOX 360)
if you watch the movie it's very obvious why it looks like that, he's in the Chronobowl and those are recreations of his memories
it's like his brain was plugged into a low poly volume capture
yes, but it's a stupid creative decision.
Beowulf looking good
>Why? How? Is there a bigger dumb corporation than Warner Bros?
No
They are even starting this with the amle characters in mk one
So they'd rather no one gets any fanservice in general than ever have any sexualised females period. What a miserable group.
Its just a miserable movie. "Don't try to change things, because the universe will mandate that everything will be even shittier for reasons that don't make sense, and your not ALLOWED to fix those new shitty things because I fricking said so. You should have stayed in your place like wealthy man told you all along you fricking zoomer."
Life isn’t all sunshine and rainbows
Does it somewhat follow comics Flashpoint?
>Zoom goes back in time and murders Barry's mom
>Nooooooo you can't go back in time and stop him from changing history murdering your mom, you'll destroy history as we know it because reasons
Its worse than that. Going back and changing your own past being bad for you and the people you know because of butterfly effect is a tried and true trope, 'be careful what you wish for' with the context changed.
In the Flash movie, Barry can't save the new timeline from Zod because 'this is a fixed moment I guess'. If you gave Barry a hundred years to prepare and he brought in a thousand time-duplicates of Supergirl to fight Zod, Zod would just murder them all effortlessly because he's not *allowed* to lose in that timeline because frick you thats why. Its not a matter of tactics or power or preptime, the author had decided Zod Wins This Fight and there's nothing you can do about it except make sure this timeline never existed in the first place.
In this movie, Zoom doesn't exist. Barry's mother is killed by an unknown assailant offscreen whose face is never shown and the scene is edited together in such a haphazard fashion that I honestly thought the first time seeing it that Barry killed his own mom before context made it obvious thats not what they meant to be showing it as.
Wow.
>Its not a matter of tactics or power or preptime, the author had decided Zod Wins This Fight and there's nothing you can do about it except make sure this timeline never existed in the first place.
Haha they pulled a hickman
Not at all. It's far more depressing, which is saying something because Flashpoint is a bad alternate AU. Ultimately the suffering in Flashpoint is balanced by the idea that, yeah this future might be hopeless, but they sacrifice themselves for the greater good, especially Thomas Wayne in regards to his son.
There is no catharsis in this movie. Keaton Batman is arguably in a better spot than Baffleck Batman, sure he's a Howard Hughes style recluse, but his Gotham is doing well. Where as Affleck's whole deal is he became jaded by Gotham still being shit.
Oh and as for Barry's mom? the murder's identity is NEVER FRICKING ADDRESSED IN THE MOVIE. Barry is obsessed with proving his father's innocence, but NOTHING is said about finding the person who actually did it.
This is because they decided to shift the Reverse Flash plot into making the young Barry basically take up the antagonist Flash role..but only in regards to trying to save the timeline. Because, of course, young Barry's whole deal is his mom being alive. So he can't be the one who did it. The director outright said they'd show it was Reverse Flash in a sequel who killed his mother, which says so much about what a mess this movie is. The entire movie depends on being one in a series than functioning as a stand alone movie
>The entire movie depends on being one in a series than functioning as a stand alone movie
Sounds like they made every mistake in the book
Honestly if this exact same movie came out in like 2018 it probably could have made a billion
By far, the movie's weirdest shot.
I’m surprised that since the digital release no one has made webms of all the scenes where the 2 Ezras are talking and one of them has a horrible cgi head floating around on their shoulders with bad lip sync
The Dark Knight is a cringe movie. So many of the lines are forced and just poor acting all around. The intention was there, but overall not great.
Correct. The Dark Knight has a lot of things that don't stand up to modern standards. But, at the time, it was the best example of the type of superhero movie it was trying to be that anyone had seen. It has been surpassed since then, but that doesn't make its success any less worthy.
It feels weird how much it has aged
Like was I moronic back then? Why did I think it was amazing
Its basically carried almost entirely by Ledger’s Joker. When people were praising Nolan’s direction what they really meant was Ledger’s performance. Just look at the other nolanbats films. NOBODY talks about them outside of bane memes.
They were good, Bale was simply a shitty Batman. He didn't fit the character. That and Batman Begins is kinda... I dunno... the training wheels movie of the three. And Rises is WAAAY too long. By the time Batman returns to Gotham I'm bored out of my mind.
>Bale was simply a shitty Batman.
The hype for him back in the day was pretty big We take it for granted now but at the time just having him train so much for the role was a big deal.
He's not a bad actor and always goes all out, still, he was a shitty Batman. At first I thought it would be great if Afleck-Batman were in them, but I'm not sure anymore. I think I haven't been satisfied with any non-2D Bruce Wayne yet.
2008 was the year filled with "edgy" action movies. It's success was bound to happen riding that wave on top of it being a tentpole film. The average family or high school group was going to see and enjoy it. Wouldn't have worked as well any other time.
>modern standards.
You say this as if making a great movie is something just recently discovered and not as if there's old Euro movies from the 30's with more pathos and art than modern ones.
I also don't think there's any modern superhero movies that are particularly better written or directed
It's more that all that edge was a thing of its time.
>all that edge
lol what edge?It's largely bloodless. Joker is less edgy than some killers from 70's-90's mainstream movies.
He was pulling a Saw, for one. Remember that also, in a -superhero- movie, Batman not only fails to save the love interest, but the other guy he was supposed to save ends up horribly scarred, crazy, and he ends up having to kill him. They even bother discussing "moral ambiguity" with Batman's methods. It's largely comparable to the 2000s comics scene.
>It has been surpassed
By what?
>Is there a bigger dumb corporation than Warner Bros?
Sony was tricked into rereleasing Morbius
>Is there a bigger dumb corporation than Warner Bros?
Disney at this point.
They really should have gone with the Batgirl movie. Not only could they still the whole “Keaton is back” hype, they also had Brendan Fricking Fraiser as the main bad guy during his massive resurgence in Hollywood. I know a lot of people who would’ve watched the movie just for him.
everything that seemed promising about the Batgirl movie is completely negated by the fact that it was intentionally shot in a very amateur style punctuated by action scenes recorded on a phone
nobody would have been hyped for bat girl regardless of who else was in it.
Remember, these are same kinds of "intelligent" executives who thought Joker was going to be a complete failure that they agreed to give another company half of the profits to help fund the film because they lacked any faith it.
It's honestly amazing how poor their judgement WB has and they should really consider doing the complete opposite of what they think is "right" because their initial impression is almost always wrong.
WB's ability to predict anything accurate is so uncanny, they're pretty much the opposite of a real-life seer, if such a thing has ever existed, only from the opposite spectrum,
And the more they tried to scramble to make up for previous failures to pull out of their downward spiral, the worse it got. Just a constant and unrelenting incompetence until they eventually had to sell themselves to Discovery.
Back in the day your first impression of a film was seeing a trailer for it on tape, DVD, TV, or in the theater. Nowadays the average person doesn't even know when a new film is coming out, and the first time they hear about it is a right wing twitter/YouTuber calling it "commie propaganda" or a left leaning twitter/YouTuber calling the staff a bunch of rapists.
This is a good point, plus WB decided to stop any publicity interviews being done for fear that the interviewers might ask about Ezra. So that's even less exposure
The time travel and multiverse mechanics were also just contradictory and confusing, to the point that people think Ezra went to the "real" Burtonverse and Schumacherverse
Keaton and Clooney were really only there for nostalgiabait, storywise there's nothing a Thomas Wayne Batman played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan couldn't have done instead of Keaton
>Keaton and Clooney were really only there for nostalgiabait, storywise there's nothing a Thomas Wayne Batman played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan couldn't have done instead of Keaton
The problem was the intent of the film changed with the regime change
They wanted to get rid of Batfleck and decided to use Keaton as the main Batman going forward in the hope it would still get audiences interested while also moving toward pushing Batgirl more.
But then after that plan was scrapped and Gunn's plan of a big reboot was going to go through, they just did the Clooney ending just because it was a funny Twilight Zone sort of thing with nostalgiabait.
...Except no one had nostalgia for Clooney.
Oh there were. Not in large numbers, but there were.
Honestly they should've gone with one of the original two endings, regardless of whether they were gonna keep Keaton Bats and Supergirl or not
>storywise there's nothing a Thomas Wayne Batman played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan couldn't have done instead of Keaton
Except be a boring mediocre actor no one cares about
I liked it
They were dumb enough to continue to work with Ezra Miller, and even said that the movie would make you forget about all of the crimes he committed.
I refuse to believe this.
People running companies can't be this stupid.
>Imagine hiring a programmer.
>The architecture and workflow he's responsible for is effectively printing money.
>After 5 years he leaves.
>The company is now unable to make money. And every new product is another failure.
>Continue this for 6 years.
>Still blame the programmer who left for all the failures.
Now exchange programmer for film director and you've not Snyder.
It's partially Snyder's fault tho
>It's partially Snyder's fault tho
Snyder's only fault is that he set the bar too high for the clowns that ran the show following his departure.
>Snyder's only fault is that he set the bar too high
He is the one who choose Ezra Miller to play Flash.
>He is the one who choose Ezra Miller to play Flash.
And everyone after him decided to keep him.
Snyder could command Ezra in a way the Hollywood Pedos couldn't. Snyder inspires the people around him to be the best they can be.
damn you sound like an actual shill
No. It's just fact. Gunn will never be able to recreate what Snyder created.
That's the point moron
>The point is that Gunn will make DC fail
Why are you even here?
>fail
There's no movie done or supervised by Gunn out there yet for you to state something like that unless you can see the future.
>Suicide Squad
Hamada was the man in charge.
>Gunn is not responsible for the movies he directed
The sheer amount of cope from you Gunngays are delicious. My only regret is that I have to wait 2 years before I get to see your mental gymnastics explaining why Superman Legacy isn't a flop despite the box office numbers clearly proving it is.
>Gunn directed Shazam 2
>Gunn directed Aquaman 2
>Gunn directed Flash
>Gunn directed Blue Beetle
Are you moronic or something?
>Talking about The Suicide Squad
>Mentions other films
Take your meds.
In two years you might have probably killed yourself
I think something obsessive snyder fans have trouble grasping is that like 95% of people arguing with them on the internet won't think twice about saying that a gunn movie is bad or flopped in some way if they legit think it did while snyder fans are so emotionally wrapped up in the whole discourse that they'll go to lenghts and lenghts to defend snyder no matter what case
the majority of people aren't arguing with you because they love gunn so much and will ride or die for him, like it's not mutual in that sense with snyder fans
This has to be the 50th time I've seen this and I only just noticed the Justice League movie isn't on it.
oh hey look it's the snyder hamada graph guy again how have you been doing man
I remember seeing Hamada testify during the Depp Herd trial. He looked so tired and fed up with life.
That could just be annoyance. Who the hell would want to be dragged into that mess, especially a big studio exec.
>fricking Snyder was right
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>ezra the pedo
>femoid superman
>a batman movie masquerading as a flash movie
it seems Warner bros need new execs
The execs who originally greenlit the movie and were around for most of the production were already pushed out in 2022.
Hiring Snyder to do a Superman movie was the mistake that just kept on giving.
>Snyder's Superman was dignified and iconic.
>Gunn's Superman was a scat fetishist.
Gunngays are cancer.
>Gunn's Superman was a scat fetishist.
Gunn's Peacemaker is telling "My uncle works at Nintendo"-tier lies, (You) fricking moron.
>having to write a fan-fiction to damage control over Gunn's "humor"
LOL
Gunn being creatively in charge of a DCEU is exactly like putting Garth Ennis over DC comics.
Exactly Like.
Plus side we might get movie Bueno Excellente.
This actually looks worse than a video game.
Warner has always been dumb
In the 1990s the CEO thought that the Animaniacs were Disney characters and demanded that they take down a promotional billboard with them on it from the lot
WB cares nothing about its products and is really a financial company that happens to make movies/media/whatever.Honestly Flash would probably be a nice tax write off for them
To be perfectly fair, I actually thought there were enough morons to actually allow this dung pile to make a billion dollars. Happy to be proven wrong for once.