We all know the worst change in the special editions is Jedi Rocks, but what's the second change? I think it's reinserting the deleted Jabba scene in Star Wars.
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We all know the worst change in the special editions is Jedi Rocks, but what's the second change?
you just dont get it
That shit is so horrible. Also Greedo shooting first, if for anything the editing alone that makes Han’s moving out of the way look laughably bad.
George fricked that scene up for absolutely no reason. There was no doubt in anyones mind that Han fired out of self defense, even if he was the first to fire. Greedo had a gun on him, and he made it plain he intended to kill Han. Nothing added to Star Wars was an improvement. Lucas is his own worst enemy at times.
>No. NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
this holy frick. completely kills the drama of the emperor’s defeat.
this is honestly the worst change, something like jedi rock is just corny but ultimately doesn't do that much damage, that scene is just moronic that kills what is one of the most powerful moments in the trilogy
This. It's so horrible and such a stupid idea that I can't accept any explanation other than malice. The first time I saw it on youtube I was convinced it was some meme edit.
TPBP
I genuinely have no clue what George was thinking with this. At least with the other Special Edition changes, there's a reason or at least some kind of logic behind them
Have a consolation prize
Either this or else replacing the weird alien noise Obi-Wan made to scare off the Tuskens into the scream of someone taking it up the ass.
I think this has changed so many times I can't remember what it's actually supposed to be.
Honestly the 2011 one is baffling tho
what a moronic change
the bleep-bloopy, synthesized sounds of A New Hope have so much charm and personality, especially since that shit has gone out of style
why would you change it to a mid-aughts digital sample
For me, it's 2016
Goddamnit that cracked me up, good shit anon.
2016 should be the definitive version
2004 master race
Is this real? Because that sounds exactly like Ric Flair
It's real anon.
Yeah.
>Han throws Jabba's spice out the airlock
>steps on his tail
>Cheats him of his money
>Forces him to send bounty hunters across the galaxy to bring Han in
>Han and his buddies exterminate Jabba and his followers, despite Han himself being blind in the fight
Jabba should have just cut his losses, what was he thinking?
That Han wasn’t friends with a Master Jedi. He would have been stuck in carbonate for an eternity if he hadn’t lucked into a friendship with Luke
If Han hadn't started hanging out with Luke the Empire never would have sent bounty hunters out looking for his ship.
Lando was already there working on a plan to save his bro
Hayden at the end of Return of the Jedi was fricking stupid.
Special edition was before the prequels. Anakin force ghost was an even later change.
Not being pedantic just want to emphasize how relentless the changes were.
Better than having some random dude that we never saw before show up out of nowhere.
In hindsight, it was dumb, since it was revealed that becoming a force ghost is a technique you have to learn - one that Anakin did not know. (Did not watch Clone Wars)
eh, this is the only one i don't mind and actually almost kind of like. Rest can frick off.
And what the hell are "jedi rocks"?
They change the song for some unknown reason.
Han not shooting Greedo first any more will always be the worst change in my book.
They took out the ewok song yub nub at the end.
Be bo yudnup
Yub Nub fricking sucks and it's the only special edition change that is objectively good.
You'll choke on the next wiener you slip between your lying lips.
even if true, which is debatable, it's a change and therefore unacceptable. star wars became the global phenomenon that it is without any of them. ANY change whatsoever tampers with the authenticity of the material.
the only change I could accept would be a chronological special edition release that has hayden as force ghost because it's a powerful moment for chronological watchers. that they are all plebs is a different story
>has hayden as force ghost
fanservice slop that makes no sense, it should be the old man ghost because he died an old man
It’s fricking bizarre that the logic was
>well that was the last time he was Anakin
Which completely ignores the fact that Luke’s gambit relies on the correct assumption that Anakin was never truly gone, plus that tiny little detail that he took the mask off specifically so he died as Anakin, not Vader.
It was entirely cynical meta pandering. They just wanted more prequel tie-in to sell shit. It looks goofy as frick too. I thought it was cool when I was 12 now I hate it.
If Anikan is a young man at the end then Vader isn’t redeemed. The only way to fix it would be to have Hayden Christiansen whose now about the same age as Vader reshoot the scene. Which I'm surprised they didn't do when making Obi-wan.
vader is like 60 in rotj
8 in TPM, 18in AotC and 21 in RotS would make him 41 in ANH, 44 in ESB and 45 in RotJ.
Right but he's played by a 70 same as obi wan
The whole timeline doesn't make sense in retrospect, its dumb
Yeah thats already been analyzed to death but nobodies ages make any sense, at least not since the Prequels rewrote everything.
Also Boba Fett is being played by 60 year old Temura Morrison but he should be much closer to 40 than 60. The Book of Boba Fett takes place immediately after Luke rescues Han and blows up Jabbas barge. Unless he spent 20 years with the sand people, which I doubt.
Right, and booba fatt is just another reason why prequel loving manchildren ruin everything they touch. The cameo was fine we didn't need an entire season of that slop but they can't help but try and cram all that shit in. The obi-wan show was probably the best the pandering gets if you isolate it down to just their rematch fight and ignore all the leia shit.
The Mandalorian basically makes Bobba Fett irrelevant unless you plan on making him stay a villain.
that would have been a much better series. Rip off the Sopranos. Put it on HBO.
Gangsters in Space. TV-MA. Frick yeah.
The best episodes of Boba Fett were the Mandalorian episodes.
And The Mandalorian went down the shitter real fast. Fricking Kathleen Kennedy! You need to be slapped by a man!
Post RoS production has been nothing but disney burning all nostalgiabait bridges at record speeds.
It was inevitable that the prequelbabbies were up next
Poopa Shart was such a fricking disaster, especially because it took The Mandalorian down with it by (apparently) cannibalising its season opener
CGI luuke was somewhat improved in it though, I'll give them that
Also it completely ruined the drama of the Mando S2 ending. What the frick were they thinking
Mandalorian should have had 3 different season arcs, instead of milking that fricking baby to death.
Season 1: Save the child.
Season 2: Restore the Mandalorians.
Season 3: Get revenge on everybody who fricked the Mandalorians.
End Series.
Cool it with the misogynistic remarks
Umm? Misogyny? What? What the frick did I do now?
Disney panicked because seeing Yeed with Luke made people wonder if rumours about the ST being retconned/made alternate universe were true, since nobody believed for a second that they’d have him at ground zero for space columbine.
The narrative dirty bomb the ST dropped is a truly staggering thing to see. It doesn’t just create a brick wall that no story can possibly penetrate, it actively fricks with any story that has implications for the future.
I mean they had a perfect opportunity to do something dumb like
>babby yoda uses the force to reverse time so Vader Space Holocaust doesn't occur and Luke can save Anakin or some shit
I kind of respect them for instead just spending millions on shill campaigns where youtubers say the Prequels were good akshully
Also if those homosexuals had just lurked the Reylo threads on Cinemaphile before making TLJ the ST would have been incredible kino instead of whatever Rian shat out
>Also Boba Fett is being played by 60 year old Temura Morrison but he should be much closer to 40
When fall into a toothed sand vegana you do, look as good you will not
And more than anything else in the trilogy, that sand vegana did NOT need computer enhancements. fricking George, that piece of shit!
I can kinda go either way on it
I tend to date zoomer girls who have never seen Star Wars and I show them the movies in chronological order because everyone knows the OT spoilers through cultural osmosis. The Hayden force ghost, without fail, always makes them break down crying.
it's still a mistake. here is where youtube reaction videos are powerful evidence: of those who watch in release order almost nobody believes that darth can be saved. of those who watch chronological or machete order significantly more than half of them believe that anakin will come through in the end.
it takes the punch out of vader's redemption arc
That’s because all women date a cute guy that dies in a car accident or a drug overdose and that scene makes them get overwhelmed with emotion that he might be stuck forever in purgatory watching them have sex with other guys. That’s a really joyous thought for women.
yeah; that fricking sucks the hardest for me; I grew up with that version
Most of the changes are annoying, but his one made me actually sad.
All of the special edition (really, a director's cut) changes are fine. They're what Lucas wanted the movies to be. Most of the complaints come from boomers who are mad that their childhood headcanon wasn't accurate or that they're nostalgic for unrefined and rushed ideas, or don't understand the added parallels that tie into the other films more strongly to strengthen the idea that Star Wars is one very long film.
Having the original theatrical versions available is is important for both the sake of film preservation and historical context regardless of whether or not you prefer the changes. It sets a dangerous precedent. Do you wanna see other classic films start getting edited and changed because some modern activists find their content problematic? That's where this line of thinking inevitably leads.
>Do you wanna see other classic films start getting edited and changed because some modern activists find their content problematic
I mean that's not the precedent that was set with the Special Editions though. Lucas created Star Wars so he was well within his right to change it how he saw fit. Outside forces messing with another artists work is an entirely different thing.
No, that's totally disingenuous. He was too fricking lazy to direct ESB and RoTJ and yet he took himself the credit for all the hard work Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand provided for him. They might have been yes-men, but they were, if not more competent than George.
It also explains why ESB has the least changes out of the OT, because it's the best Star Wars movie period. And Kershner was still alive when the shitty special editions was released, so he didn't want to piss him off.
Frick the special editions, and frick Lucas (what he has also done to THX 1138 is a fricking crime too btw, wonder what Walter Murch thinks of that)
I mean it's also technically happened to Highlander 2. You literally can't find the original cut unless you're willing to buy a laserdisc. That said, Highlander 2, in nearly any form, is justifiably regarded as one of the worst pieces of shit ever made whereas Star Wars is actually a really good little movie
If Highlander 2 just got deleted from existence like that recent Batgirl film I don't think anyone would be too upset.
Nope. Its the one film nobody likes, and fans of the original despise.
I dunno, that one scene where they try to explain the plot and it doesn't even make sense to the characters in the movie always got a chuckle outta me. But yes, it's so fricking bad. Exorcist 2 is probably up there too.
Exorcist 2 is at least funny in parts:
Reminder that Highlander 2 was set in 2024
Nice I think I just found the original cut of Highlander 2 on Internet Archive, since it's the best site on the internet:
https://archive.org/details/highlander2thequickening/Highlander+2+-+The+Quickening.mp4
nevermind it's just sound wtf?
I think life is trying to do you a favor and prevent your eyes from witnessing this trainwreck
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Here ya go. It's on youtube
bugger
I agree for the most part especially after watching this really good video that breaks down all the changes: https://youtu.be/xaeTOMvf67c?si=h25nMAZO4bKVsUNX
But I gotta say, I downloaded a copy of 4k77 the other day and I don't think I can ever go back. The movie has an entirely different vibe without all the digital effects added and the film grain really adds to the atmosphere. A New Hope is really the only film where I feel he went too far with the changes. I understand his reasoning behind adding so much to the Mos Eisley sequence but the digital effects just don't blend well with everything else.
>They're what Lucas wanted the movies to be
Yeah, especially when he changed something just to change it back in a later Special Edition. Really shows you that Lucas knew what he wanted from the start:
good bait
>headcanon
Han always shot first and no amount of gaslighting will change that
homosexual.
No change was an improvement. Every single one was childish dribble from the mind of a mealy-mouthed autist. Unconscionable thoughtlessness, and a rape to the frontal lobe of everyone in the audience over the age of 5. But even so, I may have forgiven every single one of those slights to intellect save for one, which I consider the most egregious offense: that fricking manchild dared change Vader's lines. For that, may he boil in Hell piss for eternity.
literally anyone who likes ANY special edition change is a soulless consoomer and their opinions on Star Wars can be completely disregarded.
>No change was an improvement.
Are you people gonna tell me you actually like bug eyed granny?
Granny was based, especially before the prequels released.
Yes. Because the new dialogue fricks up the context between vader and sheev, and narrative consistency is more important to me than if they changed the actor when it went from a bit part to a starring role in the sequel filmed several years later.
I feel like adding the snow monster in Empire and removing Vader's eyebrows in ROTJ are objectively good changes.
Neither of those originally harmed anything, in fact the wampa was more terrifying not being fully seen.
The eyebrows look stupid on Vader especially since he's supposed to be a burn victim. Also adding Ian McDiarmid as the emperor and opening up the set on cloud city were good changes as well.
The Emperor scene is poorly shot and has the inferior ROTS makeup, some of the dialogue changes are stupid as well.
Ian McDiarmid was also the emperor in the original.
No he meant the original Empire Strikes Back where the old lady portrayed the emperor and the voice was someone else entirely. Ian McDiarmond showed up in Return of the Jedi and they later recut Empire Strikes Back.
>old lady
u wot, sauce
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-emperor-palpatine-actors-played/
https://heavy.com/entertainment/star-wars/original-emperor-palpatine-actor-marjorie-eaton/
I NEVER knew that until it came out on the internet 20 years later. Frickin blew my mind.
>Tim Curry was hired to play Palpatine
He should honestly have been a second Sith Lord alongside Ian McDiarmaid in the OT, Lucas just didn't have the vision for such kino
The wampa looked scarier in the original scene where you barely saw it, the special edition one looks nothing like the original puppet and it hurts the scene by having it just really slowly walking at him instead of being obscured and seemingly approaching through the cave
The eyebrows is fine, a technical change.
I dunno, I thought using a bit of CG to fix up some of the dodgy looking landspeeder shots was okay. Other than that I agree.
Other than cleaning up the audio and video, we did not need the special editions at all. George just isnt that great a film maker. Like Roddenberry he's great for ideas but he needs other people working on the practical side to actually complete a project and make it look good.
Also I hope all of you guys know about the DeSpecialized editions by now. They are still found all over the torrent sites.
>Also I hope all of you guys know about the DeSpecialized editions by now.
Despecialized Edition has been obsolete for years. Harmy absolutely did the best with the material he had to work with, but the 4k 35mm scans are the best way to watch now.
I have those as well.
What's ultimately stopping Disney from releasing official versions of the theatrical cuts? Was it part of the deal when they bought Star Wars that they could only release the altered version?
Actually I wanna say yes, part of the deal was to re-release the old ones they needed George to work with them. And he claims to be very happy with his special versions.
He's a fricking liability.
Ahh yes. Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels.
I know it well.
Lucas should watch some Guy Ritchie material and learn how to make a movie. Its been too long since American Graffiti.
it would have been impossible for them to release the original versions previously because fox owned the rights to a new hope, but disney owns fox so they have the rights for everything so they would release them if i could because it would print money. i think george's original defence back in the day was that they destroyed the original reels making the special editions so it's literally not possible to rerelease them. but that is sort of just crazy
so we can only assume george has specifically shoehorned in something where the special editions are the only versions. i vaguely remember something about marcia lucas being given profits from the original versions as part of their divorce agreement. so he made the special editions only as a loophole to get around that
>i think george's original defence back in the day was that they destroyed the original reels making the special editions so it's literally not possible to rerelease them
Nah, the actual negative is conformed to the 1997 special edition but they kept practically all the stuff they cut out and preserved it. Plus there's stuff like interpositives or release prints (like the ones used for 4K77) that you could use if there's any gaps. The whole "negative is destroyed" thing is kinda bull. The film stock that Star Wars and Empire (but not Jedi) used was famously shit and degraded way quicker than expected and at the time it seemed like they would never be able to re-release the movie again unless they acted then and there but it turns out there's ways of preserving that kind of film stock and there's plenty of easy ways to fix it digitally (it's not like they're gonna strike a print off the negative anytime soon - we're living in a digital world now)
>i vaguely remember something about marcia lucas being given profits from the original versions as part of their divorce agreement
I think that's just fan speculation/rumor. Marcia Lucas's involvement got downplayed post-divorce (cause George was clearly fricking hurt by the whole thing) but now it's turned into this weird thing where she's actually the one who "saved" Star Wars in the editing room, despite the fact that there were 2 other credited editors in addition to George himself who occasionally acted as an editor. She was legit important but her role's now gone from being undervalued to WAY overvalued by people who are just repeating internet rumor nonsense as fact. So I think that whole "Marcia doesn't get royalties from the Special Editions" thing is probably bullshit too.
>Marcia Lucas's involvement
She's literally credited with coming up with the entire countdown against time with the Death Star about to blow up the Rebel Base during the Trench Run. Otherwise George just had it in there as another battle. She also fought to keep in the scene where Chewie scares off the mouse droid. Yes, she DID save Star Wars. Imagine taking out the Death Star about to fire and killing ALL of the tension in that scene.
George doesn't want it to happen so they're deferring to him out of respect. Once he's dead, they will 100% release the originals and honestly I'm looking forward to it.
You can just get the 4k versions right now. You don't need the approval of giving disney money for it.
Reminder that “Maclunky” was added in the Disney era
They don’t have the original version some of the special effects were inserted into the main camera negative
>Like Roddenberry he's great for ideas but he needs other people working on the practical side to actually complete a project
People always say this but it's precisely the other way around. Lucas is a fantastic technical film-maker who consistently innovates, his problem is that he doesn't know when to *cut* an idea without a second pair of eyes who feels comfortable saying "George! You can type this shit, but you sure can't say it!".
I hope I don't make these disappear by saying this here, but Lucas DID release the original Star wars trilogy unedited on DVD as bonus discs on the 2006 special edition release.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/303797206535?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A16DMwfonzTTmwXvoWf4BSuw96&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=303797206535&targetid=1585159291131&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9001990&poi=&campaignid=19894961968&mkgroupid=148855406073&rlsatarget=aud-1242981527210:pla-1585159291131&abcId=9307911&merchantid=114768049&gclid=Cj0KCQiAhc-sBhCEARIsAOVwHuSQg79_4Cem5d2PEkFIcXY5btaaPjZvUBkRo7VIx1O8k5_aedlXUN8aAqMiEALw_wcB
That's just a laserdisc scan put onto a dvd. I know it's out there so he TECHNICALLY did release the original cuts on dvd but it was literally just the laserdiscs from 1993 put onto a dvd. Those were already out there. It was possible to pirate that EXACT version before those dvds came out. And they look abysmal next to the 2004 dvds which are on disc 1 on all of those.
Oh yeah I got the special DVD collectors sets. I still have the little comic books somewhere in my basement.
The DVD version of the originals looks awful. 4:3 with black bars, very pixelated and grainy. I was glad when I finally got broadband and learned how to torrent and picked up the despecialized versions.
Jedi Rocks?
>Jabba scene
That was just removed because at the time of the first movie's release, they did not know that it would spawn into a franchise. Why add a plot point that was not important until 2 movies later?
the worst sin is the poor quality of the added effects
if the tech existed to make the additions seamless it'd be different, but the jarring changes in quality make the additions so obvious and overbearing that it completely ruins any sense of immersion
>Scene just repeats info Greedo already said and is completely redundant
>Jabba is a completely different character than in ROTJ, because the ROTJ character hadn't been made yet
>Jabba looks like complete shit and literally gets walked on by Han, removing all tension or intimidation
>Adds Boba Fett there for no reason because apparently he just stands near Jabba all the time
Frick off George. You shot a scene in 1976 that no longer fit the trilogy you ended up making, leave it there.
>Frick off George
I mean he literally has fricked off at this point. We're now back to the point where people like Lucas again since the new movies kinda prove that for all his faults (like dialogue, Jesus Christ Lucas needs a 2nd screenwriter with him at all times) he WAS the heart of Star Wars and without him something's missing.
I'm talking to 1997 George. The scene had no business being reinserted. It was already redundant and cut for a reason, but more importantly it no longer fit the films that were released.
The (original) Greedo scene was already a superior version of the same info, keeping Jabba an off-screen figure, and making Han a cool rogue while not having him sass off to the crime lord he's supposed to be desperate to pay his debts to
Oh yeah, it drives me nuts too. Or at least it used to, with 4K77 and D+77 I really don't feel need to complain anymore. It's mostly the baffling changes that screw with my head like adding extra CGI rocks for the 2011 blu-ray EXCEPT in the shot where R2D2 comes out of his hidey hole the CG rocks are gone. Like, you're adding continuity problems to your own movie now George, what the frick are you doing?!
Human Jabba is stupid, glad they got rid of that shit
That scene isn't in the original cut at all.
its irritating being an old man who saw the original versions and hearing idiot liars say shit like "human jabba was in the original cut".
human jabba was in at least 3 separate scenes in a new hope. stop gaslighting
The scene where Jabba is on the Falcon and borrows Luke's lightsaber to try and do better than him against the training remote only to hilariously end up spinning around and falling down due to being a fat clumsy old man was one of my favourites scenes as a kid. Really sucks they cut it out of the newer releases.
For me it's the original version of the Greedo scene where Jabba shoots first.
>2027, 50th anniversary of star wars
>george actually makes a new version of the scene with cgi where just as greedo is about to shoot han, jabba busts in also trying to shoot han but accidentally shoots greedo so han never actually shoots at all
>still keeps the han + jabba walking and talking scene after it
Would've made way more sense to reinsert all those deleted scenes with Biggs instead. Those actually add something to Luke's character
The movie is already paced so absolutely perfectly. Adding anything at all only makes it worse.
this. which is why the aliens theatrical cut is the best version as well
Alien 4 is shit but the remade intro is even worse. And Alien 3 is so bad you cannot fix it no matter what you do.
>no ultimate badass speech
I cant do it
It's better than those scenes of the droids wandering around the desert. The only actual loss is Luke's introduction being at the sale, but really the scenes with Biggs should have been set afterwards with Luke running off after dinner anyway, leading to R2 having the opporrunity to escape.
it ruins the pacing.
New Hope takes too long to get to Luke who is basically the star of the film
Cut down the c3po and r2d2 nonsense and put in Biggs
If you want an enhanced version of Star Wars I recommend Adywan's Star Wars Revisited. That's basically a better version of Special Edition. You can't go wrong with the original theatrical version though.
Greedo is also in the scene. It's so bad.
I don't think many of the changes are good but I've got no problem in principle with a film-maker tweaking and rereleasing their old project. What I don't understand is why Lucas is so insistent that only the newest version be available for purchase. The original release is objectively one of the most consequential films ever made, perhaps THE most consequential - you'd think he'd be proud and understanding that people want to watch that version.
You can still buy and watch whatever particular version of Blade Runner or Apocalypse Now you prefer so I don't understand why it's not an option here
Theres 4 versions of Blade Runner and honestly I cant recall which is the best.
Lots of films are changed without the originals being available.
The version the directors don't like being available is usually only due to corporate meddling, which never happened with Star Wars because he owned the company himself.
It was all worth it to get rid of yub nub, which was shit
The Jabba scene is pointless and does nothing but slow down the movie. It repeats information that was already conveyed to the audience and it makes the danger and tension of getting off the planet lessened.
For me it's all the random crap they added to Mos Eisley. Cut that shit out
Yeah George and Disney both decided to break very basic film making rules. Dont put shit in front of your subjects. Holy frick how could two of the most successful movie studios frick up so badly...
To be fair to Disney (not that they usually deserve it but) Lucas put all that shit in. It's his fault not anyone at Disney I still love him though, I just wish he knew when to leave well enough alone
It's not just that, all the extra shots serve no purpose and just stop the film's pacing dead-in-its tracks. It's so weird because the original Star Wars was edited about as perfectly as they could. Just compare the two scenes side-by-side:
Original: https://youtu.be/DIzAaY2Jm-s?t=163
SE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDa-cVMv-DQ
It's fricked (yeah I know the picture quality on the theatrical sucks, you can thank Lucas for that - thank frick 4K77 exists now.) Original cut has one or two establishing shots and boom - we're back with our main characters and the story continues. In the SE it just keeps going on and on and on and on and it adds nothing to the actual film.
jesus those both suck, ANH really is a piece of shit that doesn't hold up
Nah, the first one's good. You're not gonna bait me anon, I know your kind
If you say so, the cliff looks goofy and the mos eisly shot looks like shit you can't even make out the city let alone any indication that its a space port like big landing pads or runways. The second clip is definitely full of cringe but they are both pretty bad.
>the cliff looks goofy
That's a real cliff anon.
>and the mos eisly shot looks like shit you can't even make out the city
That's cause it's in laserdisc quality. Again, thank George for that (thank god we can see it in actual 35mm quality again)
Sure but positioning them up in the corner looks weird. But yeah maybe it looks better in a different quality, I don't actually have a vivid memory of seeing that valley shot before. They should remake ANH nearly 1:1 with new actors and effects one day.
Lucas has this weird preference for making shit look like a documentary, which doesn't really fit star wars.
Im surprised the new movies werent all shots with shaky cam, like District 9 or whatever it was. Or Cloverfield.
I think the pseudo-documentary style actually really works well for ANH.
>the way all Star Wars films are purposefully shot doesn't fit Star Wars
>Jedi Rocks
Don't remind me.. thank frick for the Despecialized editions.
Why does Jabba look smaller in this scene than he does in Return of the Jedi?
cuz at full size he cant be standing face to face with Han. They did not need this scene, and they really did not need to remake it with CGi and force it into the fricking movies.
Originally Jabba was just a fat dude who was shorter than Han. It wasn't to RotJ that they made him a slug monster.
Putting Hayden Christenson's ghost in the end of Return.
My ideal would be a merging of Hayden and shaw's face, but that'll never happen
Hopefully Disney fixes these problems when they remake the entire franchise as a series of animated films
All the changes are bad, because it represents Lucas' shift from his space opera being more serious in tone to the campy and family friendly stance he adopted during the filming of Jedi, and took to its logical conclusion with Phantom Menace. It made the space opera a joke, he doubled down on the quips and sarcasm. Strictly speaking, it was the correct decision financially, he made a killing on merchandise because of it, but he compromised his original vision to do it, no matter what justifications he throws out these days. I was 6 when Phantom Menace came out, I saw it in theatres, by then I had already seen the OT, and even then, at that age, when Phantom Menace was aimed directly at my demographic, I preferred Empire.
Really, it's no surprise that Marvel is the way it is, because the people writing that were raised on what Star Wars became. If he could have made New Hope and Empire like Jedi and the Prequels, he absolutely would have, but the special editions is as far as he was able to go with it.
If I had to say what the worst change was, it's Greedo shooting first, as cliche as that is. It's a subtle change to Han's character, it was meant to make him less of a dark horse, so it contrasts badly to his mercenary behaviour in the rest of the movie and lessens the impact of him coming back at the climax.
>when Phantom Menace was aimed directly at my demographic, I preferred Empire.
You were wise beyond your years, ESB bro.
why not watch 4k77 or harmys
Jedi Rocks sucks but I give it a pass because of her
The Jabba scene is pointless.
It is redundant - it tells us everything we already learned from Hans meeting with Greedo.
When Greedo confronts Han we learn: Han is in trouble with a crime lord for dumping his cargo and really needs this job to get it sorted out.
When Han meets Jabba we learn: Han is in trouble with a crime lord for dumping his cargo and really needs this job to get it sorted out.
You do not need to tell us the same thing twice in a row.
Lucas original cut of Star Wars had a lot more shit like this, there is like 10-15 minutes of footage of Luke before he meets the droids whining about the same shit he whines about when he finally meets them. Originally the battle in orbit, the stormtrooper boarding, and the droids in the desert all kept getting interupted with cuts back and forth to/from these scenes.
Stuff like this was why his friends were laughing at his original cut and the theatre owners thought it was going to bomb, it was Marcia Lucas re-editing the film that dumped all this redundancy.
>epic three part space saga ends with some moronic kiddie crap song
replacing Yub Nub was a positive change
"Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival"
George destroyed so much with the changes to the end of ESB. Vader was PISSED that Luke wouldn't join him, and he changed it to make Vader look nonchalant about it. Then the shuttle footage from Jedi destroys the pacing of the scene. George is an idiot that needed others to reign him in.
The dinosaur-thing blocking the camera for a couple seconds at the checkpoint on Tatooine.
Not all the changes were bad
Star Wars Language is pretty comfy. What's the name for it?
Aurabesh
I need the kiddies to stop using "comfy" for every fricking subject.
Galactic Basic
>Not all the changes were bad
The Falcon blasting off from Mos Eisley and reinserting the Biggs footage on Yavin were the best changes.