>“We didn’t know [Season 5 would be the end]. We finished shooting in November of [2022] and then found out around the New Year — and we can’t say enough of our gratitude to CBS Studios and Paramount Plus for giving us the opportunity to go back and shoot some additional days, because we felt like we really then got to wrap up the series. Season 5 will feel like a satisfying journey.
>Then, we were able to kind of do a little bit extra to wrap up the show as a whole, and we’re so grateful for that. So when we got to go back and shoot that material we knew going in that those few days were going be the last days — and it was kind of cool, because we got to go in knowing that and really just appreciate being there; appreciate being with one another.
>We got to say goodbye on the sets, which was just a really special and bittersweet thing. So it was wonderful to get to do that.”
https://blog.trekcore.com/2024/03/michelle-paradise-star-trek-discoverys-cancellation-additional-filming/
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I don't watch Star Trek but holy frick, not a single white man in sight. Is it this bad?
>not a single white man
Alan Tudyk, far right.
Feel bad for that guy having to work alongside all those Black folks in outer space.
lol, not him, but lol.
also he is gay, doesnt count
>gay, doesnt count
Explain why.
cant relate
neither are valid answers
>Explain why
Your father or someone should have long ago.
Because he obviously meant Normal White Male, not abnormal
What's abnormal about being gay in the Navy?
Because representation matters you racist bigot
troony
Land whale
Gay Black person
Negress
Black person
Ayylmao
homosexual
What happened bros? How did we come to this?
You just aren't /disco/ enough to understand.
>What happened bros?
Star Trek: Diversity
He's is great in Resident Alien
>refuse to create their own anything
>honestly believe they're oppressed unless whites are including them in everything whites do
TOTAL HUMAN LUGGAGE
Somehow, Paramount is currently collapsing as a studio and entity and will soon be sold off and cut up and absorbed by an even bigger company. How could a company with decades of quality content and accumulated good will fail so badly? How? I just can't put my finger on it.
Why can’t you talk about it on Cinemaphile? God damn you for real you fricking fruit fake mother fricker. You tell me I work for a god damn company I would pay YOU to stop advertising for at this point you insane fricker what kind of fricking shit are you smoking
so glad this shitshow is finally over, now axe the other dumb shows no one watches and let Star Trek rest forever.
>dumb shows no one watches!!!
Oh no. Anyway.....
To be fair, they were trapped on a ship and wouldn't dare not attend... you know....
If it's so popular, why was it cancelled?
because ~~*they)) can't let us have nice things, you know that anon.
>std
>nice things
rofl
oh god ~~*they*~~ got to you with their mindpoison. You need to resist ~~*their*~~ mindcontrol, and quit being a shabbos golemoid. STD is hard but like most proper Aryan things, struggle and austerity make strength.
Please self administer your hypospray
Think about it anon. The Torah describes homosexuality as an abomination and ~~*they*~~ ran the transatlantic slave trade. Seeing strong Black and LGBT characters is an affront to the Torah. If you want to fight ~~*Globalism*~~ you must support the fight against ~~*Globalism*~~ by watching Season 5 of STAR TREK: DISCOVERY, premiering April 4 on Paramount Plus.
Unless, you know, you're one of ~~*them*~~. In which case, please watch the Season 5 premiere of STAR TREK: DISCOVERY out of spite.
Perhaps a better term is "completed". Star Trek: Discovery has achieved the milestone of being in production longer than any other Trek series, and now it's time to move on and tell other stories.
But don't worry, our DISCO friends we met along the way will still show up in the next great New Trek series, Star Trek: Star Fleet Academy.
>Star Trek: Discovery has achieved the milestone of being in production longer than any other Trek series
Bruh I will back you against the nutrek haters any day of the week but that's a real stretch, come on now. That's like saying I am the best Ph.D because it took me 15 years to finish and defend my dissertation.
What's in the Trekord books is what stands. No asterisks allowed in Trek.
The record is number of episodes?
Record? You mean fastest Star Trek to ever get cancelled with least amount of episodes?
The record is "length of time in production"
pure cope
>it was cancelled, yes, But Here's Why That's A Good Thing...
what planet are we living on
Also, "covid lockdowns helped it get there by delaying production"
Since when is "been in production the longest" even worth a record?
Shouldn't it be a mark of shame? If you've been in production for 10 years and only have 60+ episodes, then that's pretty pathetic.
>Shouldn't it be a mark of shame? If you've been in production for 10 years and only have 60+ episodes, then that's pretty pathetic.
It depends.
Venture Bros?
No.
STD?
Yes.
technically TNG was in development for a full decade since it used scripts from phase II
>nutrek haters
You mean nutrek realists?
academy dies in the sale with SNW
this isnt even accurate. TNG didnt end until the ENT crossover May 2005. A 18 year run that will never be topped.
> A TNG cameo means TNG is still in production!
What an odd thing to say.
its not a cameo. really its more of a tng episode than an ent episode because all the the ent characters are holograms on the enterprise D. sorry you dont like it but thats how it is. without Archer and the gang Riker never would have told picard about the cloaking device and Pressman would have gotten them all killed.
>he thinks every fanfic retcon is valid
So you're a Mormon, eh?
not a retcon if it doesnt conflict with prior on screen events and a historical holodeck consultation fits perfectly with events of the pegasus.
>fanfic
>written by rick berman
That was a really moronic way to end ENT, wasn’t it? like, wtf were they thinking?
>show producer says it was cancelled
>well, actually, uhh, it's not, because, uhh,
Less than half the episodes every season than TNG, still took years longer to complete, what a fricking joke of a dumpster fire
only seasons 4 and 5 are shorter than a half season of tng, and then 5 since s2 of tng is 22 eps instead of the standard 26
you are right otherwise
my point still stands, section 31 is a movie and those premiere episodes, while being feature length, are not considered films.
I don't know why he's jumping through hoops the size of DS9's docking ring to defend STD.
It was cancelled.
65 episodes across 7 years is not an accomplishment.
>show runner literally says it was cancelled, not ended, they had no idea S5 would be the last
>this guy (Mike, is that you?): LALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
The majority of TNG episodes were crap. Preachy morality lectures from Captain Dull, the adventures of Data the little robot boy and Mr Woof's dating life. The problem with those endless seasons is they end up being mostly forgettable filler.
Better 10 polished israeliteels than 27 rocks.
>Better 10 polished israeliteels than 27 rocks.
STD had polished turds. Nothing to remember or care about.
NuTrek is trash and not Trek.
That's like, your opinion, man.
Get a job tankie.
I am employed, uh, aircraft carrierie
What is this, Vegas? Bunch of boomers who have literally nothing better to do.
I'd love to know where all the hip young people nutrek is tailor made for are at because it's always 70 year olds who eat it up
cruise ship
young people cant afford it but they also dont care about trek
>all of the new shows hit all of the cliches and market research requirements you'll find in any modern production
>young people don't watch it, only old people do
>but they don't just make a show for old people, it's always chasing the young demographic that just isn't there
This will make my head spin forever
ive come to the conclusion that star trek simply isnt popular with any demo. if old people tuned in for trek half as much as they do for CSI TNG would still be running on CBS
>but they don't just make a show for old people,
It's called lower decks
Guess if you tell young people they're only allowed to watch repeats of 40 year old VHS quality syndicated series, that'll bring those kids around.
star trek isnt for casuals and never will be. nobody really appreciates it until theyve had it on in the background for 10 or 20 years.
so if you want to get young people into star trek you need to pump out 25 self contained episodes a year for 15 years and wait for them to become old people.
I mean look at Cinemaphile. I know it's Cinemaphile but this board has the most basic b***h normie taste in media. Star Trek threads never spam the catalog on a daily basis like Star Wars or FOMOs do. The general thread which is on semi-hiatus only gets 20 posters in it at most.
*FOTMs
Autocorrect
Half of them probably thought it was the line to the bathroom
what you see there is 98% of the STD audience.
pure cope
Spoilers for the finale:
>the ship will be stuck because it's to close to a black hole
>they discover that it'S not the ships mass that got pulled in, it's Tillys fat massive ass
>last scene is Tilly getting in an oversized space suit, plugging the hole with her massive belly so the ship can free itself from her gravitational ass
worst trek
how could they keep fricking it up?
first season was rough, so many reshoots, but the overall arc of the mirror universe was neat.
>it;ll only be better in the 2nd season
second season shits the bed, but hey, they are going to a new timeline, things can only get better
>they kept getting worse
finally, last season. maybe, just maybe they'll get something right this time
>look at poster, not a single white male.
frick this std.
first half of s1 was marginally interesting because a competent writer wrote it. but he peaced out of production halfway through. the rest is just ChatGPT slop.
None of Bryan Fuller's ideas were any good
Fricking hell stop defending him like he's not a moronic homosexual
Exactly
>Fricking hell stop defending him like he's not a moronic homosexual
he's not moronic on the level of those who took over from him. not sure why that upsets you to hear.
>competent writer
lol
>starts off on some planet where they can't communicate with the ship for some stupid reason, a sandstorm, idk, i don't care enough to remember
>but the ship can somehow see through the sandstorm to see where they traced out a huge starfleet insignia in the dirt to come and pick them up
>how could they keep fricking it up?
I wish you morons would realize it's all on purpose.
>steal only good part of the whole show
>rest is all someone (mostly the captainx) crying
Great starship! Absolutely terrible show!
I didn't watch a single episode and never will.
did the final std shoot coincide with the S31 shoot? developing a theory that the S31 special will be little more than an extended STD final episode
>developing a theory that the S31 special will be little more than an extended STD final episode
it's a spinoff movie that is apparently tying into multiple series, from tos to tng to std, because the guardian of space and time took captain ching chong, remember it was supposed to be a miniseries first before it was trimmed down to a film
std was canned because paramount+ never made any gains on it, they also severely limited its budget and viewership dropped after cbs all access merged, which std was a flagship series for. the only reason spock was brought into season 2 was to boost viewer numbers, otherwise it wouldn't have made it past season 3 realistically. also cope and seethe about it's production length, the last two seasons were delayed due to covid and strikes
either way, season 4 is how the series should have ended. everyone lives happily ever after and michael goes out having literally saved the entire galaxy from another galaxy and still gets her love interest. season 5's plot being a fricking treasure hunt will not top an extragalactic threat.
its not a film. p+ isnt allowed to make trek films. its a special. same thing with the southpark episodes they are withholding from HBO. specials so they cant be sued for breaking contracts.
it's the equivalent of a tv movie. of course p+ is allowed to make trek films, they own the ip. they can't make films in pre-existing series like tng and such but any p+ content they can and will make films for. also they have no contract to break with hbo since next year all of south park will be moved over to p+, the specials are just to hook viewers in. once they gain full ownership you bet we'll get more.
>all those nonWhites and fat trogs
It's revolting. Literal stomach churning hideousness. I liked the first 2 seasons. Needed more Tkuvma. What they did to the Klingons though was pretty bad
No more STD? Good news!
i hope pluto switches back to voy on the 2nd star trek channel so i dont have to watch ds9 when they force std onto the main channel next week
Well, look who just beamed down into the Ready Room with Wil Wheaton. It's the folks from Star Trek: Discovery with a preview of next week's S05 premier:
>Wil Wheaton isn't dead yet
there is no justice
>jump to the interview part of the video
>"...how it embraces diversity. I think it might be one of the most diverse shows in the history of science fiction."
they just can't help themselves, huh?
dunno what to make of her answer though since she basically dodges the question and talks about appealing to a mass audience with universal themes. too little too late i guess? they should be happy this dogshit came out during a time when studios were desperate for content for their streaming money pits, otherwise every single one of these shows would've been cancelled instantly
it's a shame, i kinda like the actress. i think she would've done well on a proper star trek show
They’re accomplished artists and you aren’t
Ooh, I'm so jealous.
That is literally your entire personality dumbass
>personality
You're being charitable
> Nooooo! You can't have diversity in Star Trek!
Literally New Life and Strange New Worlds. But somehow Trekcels insist the only Trek anyone is allowed to watch is staff meetings in the Conference Room, followed by staff meetings in Engineering, followed by a final staff meeting on the Bridge.
staff meetings are in the observation lounge, moron
its weird that there was ever an audience for this but i assume there wasnt and this was only made because they got almost zero interest DEI cash from their israelite daddies and now that the funds dried up, they have to cancel the show 'quietly'
there was never an audience. the idea was to use the trek brand to anchor CBS All Access but they did such a terrible job that it killed CBS All Access and forced paramount to try again with Paramount+ but its so bad they can barely keep their subscription numbers up even though its free with several other services and they will give you a free month every month if you try to cancel it. cant even get people to watch on youtube and pluto for free.
someone needs to sit shari down and tell her shes got to sell now while the redstone name still has some respect in the industry
>there was never an audience.the idea was to use the trek brand to anchor CBS All Access but they did such a terrible job that it killed CBS All Access and forced paramount to try again with Paramount+ but its so bad they can barely keep their subscription numbers up even though its free with several other services and they will give you a free month every month if you try to cancel it. cant even get people to watch on youtube and pluto for free.someone needs to sit shari down and tell her shes got to sell now while the redstone name still has some respect in the industry!!!
68 million paid Paramount+ subscribers -- and they're pretty much the only service getting more subscribers.
HTH
they pivoted to Taylor Sheridan to keep paramount+ afloat, which has been good but I guess not enough.
>paid
going to need some proofs
BTW -- here's Paramount's Star Trek: Discovery panel from this year's SXSW:
?si=CbyY60vc6B4--492
Sweet. Drinking game! Take a shot every time they mention diversity, representation, or pat themselves on the back.
>Show nobody wanted or watched
>5 seasons
>5 seasons
3 or maybe 4 spin-offs, depending if you want to count Short Treks.
reminder that it was supposed to last for 7 seasons minimum
and despite having two seasons more than tos it has about 20 episodes less overall, even accounting for season 5
short treks don't count, they're the same as "webisodes" and are just little fluff meant to fill gaps and help you bide time between releases. strange new worlds is a proper spinoff. the section 31 movie is a spinoff. that's it.
>strange new worlds is a proper spinoff. the section 31 movie is a spinoff. that's it.
Star Trek: Star Fleet Academy. That's three -- and Short Trek is open to debate. A number of episodes tied directly into the DISCOverse and even used DISCO sets for much it.
right i forgot about academy
>short treks open to debate
not really, it's the equivalent of watching deleted scenes from a few episodes.
academy isnt even close to filming. its just busy work for newsome so she doesnt sue paramount for allowing thumbman to maintain a hostile work enviroment
it's set to start filming in about two months, i just checked when anon reminded me of its existence
>academy isnt even close to filming!!! its just busy work for newsome so she doesnt sue paramount for allowing thumbman to maintain a hostile work enviroment!!!
So anyway....
>mission impossible in space
so it will have a lower box office than little mermaid and have to drastically retool its contractually-obligated future productions?
no box office because P+ isnt allowed to make star trek movies, only star trek series and special episodes of star trek series.
>no box office because P+ isnt allowed to make star trek movies, only star trek series and special episodes of star trek series.
i already told you section 31 is a tv film. it was initially meant to be a miniseries. literally all the marketing for it uses the word movie to indicate it will be at least 90 minutes.
Not to mention there are now three Star Trek theater releases in production. Theoretically.
Four, if the Lower Decks x Kung Fu Panda crossover gets approved.
nah nothing is in the works except for a supposed discovery movie. star trek 4 keeps getting started up and then dropped and the cast no longer wants to do it since they were screwed out of their pay the first time around. the rumor is a std and snw movie, but iirc the snw movie was approved for p+ not theaters, and it remains to be seen whether or not the std movie will go into theaters (doubtful). also quentin's movie was dropped since he started working on the film critic and his idea was never really taken seriously anyway, and that crossover will never be approved beyond a 5 minute non-canon special
>quentins movie
you probably think star trek legacy was a real project too. sucker
>star trek legacy
My voodoo doll of Terr Bear will save us
>*poke*
>*poke*
mediocre writer
the gay filoni of star trek, everyone sucks his wiener because he put the right geezerberries in
okay, so? I'd rather have mediocre than actively incompetent, or non-existent. Welcome to the real world where everything is a trade-off.
>self inserts as Picard's gary stu son
>rips off star wars
>wanted to use the conspiracy bugs but forgot how they worked, uses changelings instead and changes their whole lore
better than Michael Burnham as a protagonist
Pogo, the best Star Trek post Voyager until Strange New Worlds.
>nothing is in the works!!!
So, just straight up denying Reality now?
stupid Black person who can't read
more at 10
the number of trek films purportedly in production keeps changing every six months or so
>Another writer for Star Trek 4
How many is that now? You would think they have enough scripts to film Star Trek 4-9 with them.
>tv film
cope
the first episodes of TNG DS9 VOY and ENT are 90 minutes and absolutely not movies. the 90 minute special episode of STD about section 31 is no different except theres nothing following it because nutrek is dead
pilots being extended length episodes are nothing new, section 31 is still considered a film, cope and seethe.
star trek legacy was only ever a video game and never anything else
pilots are tests. TNG DS9 VOY and ENT were fully picked up before they started production
tax writeoff for the new owner
also star trek works best with small sets and young adults dont give one single frick about it. its like they arent even watching their own failures.
>star trek works best with small sets!!!
Some might say you just like to complain about everything. Think they're right.
>short treks don't count
a main story element in season 2 is only explained in one
i'm not researching side material to watch your dumb fanfiction
i never watched an episode of short treks and i never had any trouble understanding any ideas presented in std
akoocheemoya
Now that Star Trek: Discovery is finishing, do we move to Star Trek: Mediation, or Star Trek: Trial?
i think its time for star trek: motion to change venue, an H&I original series.
Star Trek Nude Female Vulcan showers
What set this guy off to do this seven year long campaign to be a total shithead homosexual
It's just nutrek, dude
Star Trek movies used to be released in theaters, now they're "streaming exclusive events" LMAO
>errrr.... so my future self wiped 8000 people from existence on you're behalf.... wanna go out for a coffee later?
I know what he "meant" by it, but what did he *mean* by it?
>I know what he "meant" by it, but what did he *mean* by it?
He meant that they are both serial killers, remember Kira was part of the resistance who had no qualms of killing civilians.
so this is the power of removing the unique poster count...
Name one episode of STD that left a positive, lasting cultural impact on the same level as The Measure of a Man, Who Watches the Watchers, Yesterday's Enterprise, The Best of Both Worlds, Darmok, Unification, The Inner Light, Relics, Tapestry, or All Good Things.
shades of gray is better than every episode of STD PIC & SNW.
>lasting cultural impact on the same level as The Measure of a Man
That impact being -- what exactly? Because if you get on a crosstown bus, can guarantee no one on board will have a clue what you're yakking about.
>doesn't answer the question
You are a loser rofl
you're correct in that tng has had a profound & lasting cultural impact but you chose episodes that only trekkies would remember
Lots of non trekkies know darmok and jalad on the ocean
>not mentioning chain of command
come on
My question still hasn't been answered; is there one (1) (uno) episode of STD where people go, "oh yeah, I love that one!"? Can it be named? Does it even exist?
the only thing people remember about std is they say frick on it and it has a sex scene
A very very very brief and grotesque sex scene
Meanwhile coomers are still jacking it to Troi's see-through top from Man of the People, S6, from 32 years ago.
they say frick on std? honestly wasnt sure about that
they said it twice in the same scene
tilly the moron says "that's so fricking cool" and then stametz says "yes it is fricking cool"
not even committed to it, sneaking it in like a PG13 movie. pathetic
All I remember from the final season was a magical negress FROM the Discovery controlling the fate of the galaxy. Very strange, the SF world becoming very small.
bryan fuller legacy points added
ive never trusted nutrek and i never will. i could never forgive them for the death of my boy
STD will have been cancelled with
>no iconic episodes
>no lasting impact
>a spinoff (SNW) that overshadowed it
The only thing people might remember are the ugly Klingorcs from season 1.
Episodes that are typically #1 in top 10 charts
>TOS: The City on the Edge of Forever
>TNG: The Inner Light
>DS9: In the Pale Moonlight
>VOY: Year of Hell
>ENT: In a Mirror, Darkly
What will STD's be?
Either S1E1 or one of the S2 eps centered around Lorca
This show was cursed when they fired Bryan Fuller and took it form him. Everything that came after they deserve.
yeah but s2 > s1
It's not like his original ideas were any good, either. Mickey being Spock's fourth secret half sibling, gross Klingons, and Tardigrade powered fidget spinner drive were all on him.
They actually made five seasons of this piece of shit? I'm amazed, its not even just the POC woke shit its that this shit is so soulless and ugly compared to the comfy and fun classic star trek and TNG, even Enterprise and Voyager look more watchable than this crap.
Really though? Five seasons? People really will watch anything you put in front of them if they are bored I guess. This should have been cancelled by Season 2. Who is watching this?
>5 seasons
damn, it really got more than ENT in the end?
ENT had 98 episodes though, this will only have 65.
ENT chads stay winning
For me it will always be Tit'pol.
Yes, but it took a long time to get there, which means … something?
nobody watched this shit, NOBODY, there is zero discussion of it anywhere on the internet, it's entirely designed to pump paramount +'s numbers somehow using some bullshit statistical manipulation
nobody knows anything about this show, nobody can talk about any major plot points or characters, it basically doesn't exist outside of shitposting on /trek/
You basically don’t exist outside shitposting /trek/
a little ways into season 2. based on that poster it seems like only the shit characters stick around because cpt lorca was based, pike is based, and asian grandma kinda coo.
You are 100% but Pike leaving to get his own better show is a good thing
oh neat i will be checking that out next
Yea SNW has some really cringe moments but most of it is much better
what parts of snw are cringe? besides la'an making no sense in terms of continuity or olsen being a shit character?
>trannies
>that musical episode
You are a fricking loser everyone likes musicals and wants to frick Captain Angel
troony sure, musicals nah. you just can't handle syncopated kino.
nupike enables child abuse and his senior officers dont respect him
They do respect him. Picard was a joke. Kirk took shit from his senior officer’s consulting. Have sex you old homosexual
They had sets? I thought they were just prancing around doing homosexual shit in front that new green screen
its a really nice green screen
Imagine using a lighter to set that on fire and watching all the homosexuals responsible for nutrek run around in a panic as the flames spread across the canvas
absolutely based.
The 360 shit looks like garbage, too. Fake as hell. I'd rather they just use matte paintings.
Calm down. It looks amazing
eh? we're just using concept art as the final effect now?
Hypocrisy
That doesn't look like a walkable city.
looks like shit. id rather red sky and fake rocks
Why not both
Aren’t you the same frickers talking about ar and shit? Aren’t you a big gamer? Where’s your baseline human curiosity? Back at an acid trip? Figured everything out, but just can’t explain it to dummies like me? I preferred rocks and an orange sky too until this. My autism is satisfied knowing they’re recording a physical object in the screen and there won’t be any weird de-sync associated with cgi.
Some chandler bing chilling educated esl is gonna think that sentence ain’t proper
Can you be more incoherent?
Yo mamma in the club
No shoes on
Forgot pic
If I won mega millions after the+ sold /trek/ I would buy paramount and then buy back /trek/ and burn it to the ground once and for all. I would hire mercenaries and kidnap Quintin Tarantino and force him to make a shot for shot remake of the wrath of khan where he plays Spock and actually dies of radiation poisoning on camera which would be released postmortem
>shot remake of the wrath of khan where he plays Spock and actually dies of radiation poisoning
Instead of the Vulcan salute you get a shot of two feet pushing against the glass
Also take into account these are just pictures people are taking with their phones and the production cameras will be focused on the action. It’s inarguably more immersive than any video game. Deal with it
The new 360 green screen is SNW exclusive and it’s not a green screen it’s a giant led. Really a return to matte tek
Since it’s finally /trek/ approved by a democratic majority, I will now watch SNW season 2
Skip ad Astra, it's not good. Rest are good.
Sunk cost the series
Somebody cut off the head before it comes back to life. Then remove the heart and feed it to a pack of rabid dingos that have been starved for weeks. Then incinerate the body and shoot the ashes straight at Jupiter. The massive radiation from the extreme magnetic field should kill any last vestiges of life before it falls into the gravity well and is completely annihilated at the molecular level.
Nothing in this show is canon. Not a single second of it.
Gene? Is that you?
Only the IP owner decides what's canon. You want a say, buy the property.
>inb4 "wHy ArE yOu sImPiNg FoR cOrPorAtIoNs?"
Corporations have the power and I know where my bread is buttered. Frick you, prole.
I'm honestly surprised the showrunners thought they could keep this going. Star Trek Discovery was only created when the economy was good, and as a flagship show for CBS streaming service.
Now that the streaming service is gone and the economy is in the toilet, did they really think they could keep going? Star Trek Discovery was very expensive to make, and every episode is filled with high end special effects. Paramount is doing terribly when it comes to finances.
The showrunners for Discovery should have known better.
They wasted money for 5 seasons on the piece of shit.