I mean it's obvious, not just from RTD and Tennant returning but them shifting all production and creative control outside the BBC to Bad Wolf
I just mean I wonder when it'll publicly leak that it's the actual reason
it was already confirmed that the Flux season was almost not made and the show would have been put on hiatus (cancelled) after season 12, but even then they blamed it on COVID
we can already see from the ratings how poorly the show was doing. and anyone that was around the fandom that time can recall how interest in it was at an all-time low. it wasn't just the show tanking but anything related to Who people just did not want to engage in.
they'll never come out and admit it full on, maybe a one off comment down the line, but it'll never be the fault of Whitaker or Chibs, it'll get blamed on "internet trolls" or whatever
>when an entire race openly refuses to come up with anything as they fix their eyes on another race, and all they care for is what they can take from that other race, replace that other race, and claim as their own
>to them "racism and oppression" are being denied the spoils of other races and cultures
the guy who chose this new dude to play the character is the same guy who previously revived the series and had the show enjoy some of its greatest success
He's white.
The Moffat era happened to coincide with social media giving the show a worldwide audience. You could discuss the show with your friend in Australia the day it aired. Also the budget and production values being greatly enhanced so the show no longer looked like a high school play.
what's hilarious is that Moffat's era actually had a budget cut compared to the end of RTD's
RTD's run was in the can right before the world economy imploded, and the first 2 seasons of Moffat's run took the full brunt of it
it was only near the end of 11's tenure that the budget finally exceeded that of Series 4
that's just how badly the house style of Series 1-4 aged, simply bumping up to HD and using slightly more cinematic lenses made the show look 100x more expensive
11 also had the best Tardis both inside and out, I hate the RTD has stuck with Jodie's garbage 70s Tardis exterior
Star Trek TNG still looks miles better than the first RTD era. And that show was a good 20 years older. The series 1 visuals were hard to stomach in 2005, and the show looks fricking ancient today. You can’t even give it the HD remaster treatment like TNG because the source file is so low quality.
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Anonymous
what the frick was RTD's problem? he also used that weird fuzzy camera all the time
4 months ago
Anonymous
RTD cited shows like Xena and Hercules as inspiration for the tone of the revival so it's not surprising they shot it in a similar campy way
that style was already ancient by the time he got to it yet he kept using it all the way through the end of Torchwood in 2011
I can't think of an American show that used that style beyond 2000, Jack of all Trades is the last one I can think of and that was also made by the Xena people
4 months ago
Anonymous
BBC had very little faith in the reboot so early on it was just cutting costs and by series 3 i imagine they just kept the same production style to avoid rocking the boat too much
4 months ago
Anonymous
Lol I fricking wish NuWho was either like Xena and Hercules.
He says that he is "queer" but seems pretty noncommittal about it. He may just be trying to get UK diversity brownie points, would not surprise me at all if it comes out that he's fricking women.
For a gay man RTD does have rather good sence when it comes to his "Something for the Dads" characters. Booby Cumday hid them quite well in Coronation Street but I'd estimate that she is a nice 28 E,
If you merged Billie Piper and Jenna Louise-Coleman together you would get this girl. I'm serious, I see so many signs of both that it starts to feel photoshopped.
It’s a soft reboot since the last few series were considered the worst dark ages since the show was first cancelled in the 1980s. Boring scripts, boring characters, a Doctor who never found her spark. The ratings were a disaster.
>soft reboot >still refuses to retcon timeless child
Proof they hate the show.
They should have put the franchise on ice for another 15 years. But BBC were probably worried that DEI won't be a thing in 2038 so they had to strike now.
Timeless child is actually a good plotline twist and has been planned since the 80s with all NuWho show runners writing towards it. The problem you really have with it is the child wasn't a little white boy, but the timeless child the timelords found probably wasn't the 1st timeless child regeneration anyway.
time travel obviously. also somehow they convinced Cartmell to do TTC even though back then he never had a concrete idea for what he wanted to do and even "The Other" was never fully planned out
I've grown warmer to the concept of TTC over time. It became easier to reconcile with once I realised that since the doctor doesn't open the fobwatch he's got neither the memories nor the original species, so he's still just a time lord from the planet gallifrey, at least in current form. Regenerations are still limited and all that.
I wish that had been better communicated though. A lot of people who watched the series 12 finale weren't familiar with chameleon arches or the plot of Human Nature/Family Of Blood so most viewers won't really have associated the watch that well.
Still, it would have been cooler to have the master be the timeless child.
Because he's a character who spent most of the classic series chasing an unnatural extension to his life after running the course of his entire original regenerative cycle (prior to being granted a new one for the Time War). Delgado is meant to be one of his last lives. Every time he's died he's wormed his way back into life becuase he wants to keep living.
Imagine striving for immortality your entire life, only to discover your history has been a lie, and you had immortality before it was not only ripped away from you, but given to pretty much everyone else in your civilisation.
The Master was already a pretty wrathful person, now imagine what such a shakeup would do to someone already quite unstable.
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>Imagine striving for immortality your entire life, only to discover your history has been a lie, and you had immortality before it was not only ripped away from you, but given to pretty much everyone else in your civilisation.
plus it actually fits his personality that this affects him. TTC reveal doesn't affect the Doctor at all. he wouldn't want to hang onto immortality to himself, so the fact that it was taken from him literally doesn't mean anything to him. it was just a cheap plot twist meant to generate controversy and backfired immensely.
4 months ago
Anonymous
this exactly. The difference between the Master and the Doctor here cannot really be overstated.
During an interview for Doctor Who confidential about the Waters of Mars, David Tennant said that in regular stories the Doctor always has to be reset back to zero and not a lot of real development can happen for the show to remain interesting, and so he felt as though with these final episodes he could finally let loose.
The Master is no such character. They can develop and change as the stories progress. Missy's entire arc is essentially just one friend desperately trying everything she can to reconnect with another. From trying to turn him bad, to helping him survive something, all the way to trying to turn good herself. That's over three series.
Having the Master discover something so fundamentally important about themself is ultimately going to seriously affect them far more than it could the Doctor in the long run. (or it would have under any writer other than Chibnall. POTD basically didn't address it at all) Instead we get vague references to having been adopted now?
plus why would the Master be mad that all this was done to the Doctor? he's not empathetic at all, he'd just want the power for himself.
the way it's framed in the episode is rage at "having a part of you in me" which is just stupid. I'm sorry, but it makes no sense that the Master would care about that.
This is genuinely embarrassing, do you people really still watch this slop?
episode's pretty good I enjoyed it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
If the timeless child has infinite regenerations why would he suddenly run out of them?
4 months ago
Anonymous
The Tardis might run out of BBC funding
4 months ago
Anonymous
BBC? What do you mean by that?
4 months ago
Anonymous
I was making a 4th wall breaking joke to mock both the poor writing of Doctor who, and the fact that it is only kept alive by the British Broadcast Company (BBC).
Did you know that it was admitted in an interview that Doctor Who is at the forefront of the BBC's propaganda? If you asked me to provide you with the source of this information, I would not be able to find it. But I'm sure it was said somewhere. I just don't remember where. Maybe you Doctor Who obsessed fans can help me out?
Anyway stop thinking about porn all the time SCUM!!!
4 months ago
Anonymous
Doctor Who has been a government education tool since the very beginning. Except the lessons went from “This is what the past looked like” to “Cut your dick off and call yourself nonbinary”.
4 months ago
Anonymous
because, and I can't believe I have to say this, they were chameleon arch'd into a gallifreyan who later became a time lord after graduating the academy. What do you think the fobwatch in Flux was for?
Those scenes in the series 12 finale of the irish guy are the matrix disguising what really happened. When he gets the weird electrode thing placed on his head, that's a chameleon arch.
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if he was TTL he would've been experimented on, forced to generate a few times, be the progenitor of the timelord civilization and then be memory wiped and abandoned.
It would've made his resentment better tbh.
4 months ago
Anonymous
plus why would the Master be mad that all this was done to the Doctor? he's not empathetic at all, he'd just want the power for himself.
It’s a soft reboot since the last few series were considered the worst dark ages since the show was first cancelled in the 1980s. Boring scripts, boring characters, a Doctor who never found her spark. The ratings were a disaster.
>In the UK it's still being marketed as series 14.
do you have a screenshot of this, from an official BBC source (not some third party getting it wrong)?
Series 11, 12 and 13 were deleted by parliamentary order and we've all agreed never to speak of them again. It would be a bit awkward to call this Series 14 because new viewers might ask what happened to the previous 3 series. Best to just move forward.
YOU TOO HAVE KNOWN LOSS, AND THAT LOSS TORMENTS YOU STILL
YOU HOPE HATRED MIGHT SOMEDAY REPLACE THE PAIN
BUT IT NEVER GOES AWAY
IT MAKES A MAN HIDEOUS INSIDE AND OUT
WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?
He had more personality than Jodie. While he maybe played up certain aspects a bit too much it felt fun and energetic which the show hasn't really been in awhile
Black people are better than white people. They've faced real adversity, not just spoon fed life like all the whites, and they're overall funnier and more charming.
>They've faced real adversity
idk about that. not abandoning your children, trying in school, and not shooting people comes pretty easy to white people.
Z E S T Y
He wasn't that bad actually.
Lol, that's what you homosexuals always say whenever things get worse.
when do you think it's going to come out that Whittaker and co effectively killed the show which is what necessitated branding this as a "revival"
everybody already knows this which is why they begged RTD and Tennant to come back, of course they'll never publicly admit they fricked up though
I mean it's obvious, not just from RTD and Tennant returning but them shifting all production and creative control outside the BBC to Bad Wolf
I just mean I wonder when it'll publicly leak that it's the actual reason
it was already confirmed that the Flux season was almost not made and the show would have been put on hiatus (cancelled) after season 12, but even then they blamed it on COVID
we can already see from the ratings how poorly the show was doing. and anyone that was around the fandom that time can recall how interest in it was at an all-time low. it wasn't just the show tanking but anything related to Who people just did not want to engage in.
they'll never come out and admit it full on, maybe a one off comment down the line, but it'll never be the fault of Whitaker or Chibs, it'll get blamed on "internet trolls" or whatever
He was a lot better than David Tennant at least. Felt like we have a genuine Doctor again.
>when an entire race openly refuses to come up with anything as they fix their eyes on another race, and all they care for is what they can take from that other race, replace that other race, and claim as their own
>to them "racism and oppression" are being denied the spoils of other races and cultures
Fricking pathetic.
the guy who chose this new dude to play the character is the same guy who previously revived the series and had the show enjoy some of its greatest success
He's white.
Yeah so? Who do you think enacted almost every affirmative action program in existence?
>had the show enjoy some of its greatest success
Moffat made it more successful.
The Moffat era happened to coincide with social media giving the show a worldwide audience. You could discuss the show with your friend in Australia the day it aired. Also the budget and production values being greatly enhanced so the show no longer looked like a high school play.
what's hilarious is that Moffat's era actually had a budget cut compared to the end of RTD's
RTD's run was in the can right before the world economy imploded, and the first 2 seasons of Moffat's run took the full brunt of it
it was only near the end of 11's tenure that the budget finally exceeded that of Series 4
that's just how badly the house style of Series 1-4 aged, simply bumping up to HD and using slightly more cinematic lenses made the show look 100x more expensive
11 also had the best Tardis both inside and out, I hate the RTD has stuck with Jodie's garbage 70s Tardis exterior
Star Trek TNG still looks miles better than the first RTD era. And that show was a good 20 years older. The series 1 visuals were hard to stomach in 2005, and the show looks fricking ancient today. You can’t even give it the HD remaster treatment like TNG because the source file is so low quality.
what the frick was RTD's problem? he also used that weird fuzzy camera all the time
RTD cited shows like Xena and Hercules as inspiration for the tone of the revival so it's not surprising they shot it in a similar campy way
that style was already ancient by the time he got to it yet he kept using it all the way through the end of Torchwood in 2011
I can't think of an American show that used that style beyond 2000, Jack of all Trades is the last one I can think of and that was also made by the Xena people
BBC had very little faith in the reboot so early on it was just cutting costs and by series 3 i imagine they just kept the same production style to avoid rocking the boat too much
Lol I fricking wish NuWho was either like Xena and Hercules.
>He's white.
No, he's W*lsh.
Welsh people are very white.
early life moment
>and you bend over and take it up the tailpipe
As you should
Now kiss my feet
Yes blacks are fricking monsters.
Buck status?
Zest status?
is that black actor gay? he has serious gay face going on.
He enjoys the company of other men but he's not gay, just a bit queer.
How zesty from 1-10 is he?
7/10 - lemon zesty
He says that he is "queer" but seems pretty noncommittal about it. He may just be trying to get UK diversity brownie points, would not surprise me at all if it comes out that he's fricking women.
If you're black AND queer that's 100 diversity points.
He's gonna be the next Jonathan Majors
He doesn't seem like the type to batter women.
He grew up in Scotland, the only thing he's battering is his food before he deep fries it
I had a battered Mars Bar in Glasgow when I was a kid and it's the only good memory I have of the place.
It's always the ones you don't suspect.
SLAPPA DA FACE
His dad is a theological scholar, he probably grew up with too much religious guilt to be comfortably homosexual but there's no way he's straight
why did they color his shirt purple for this poster when in the original his shirt is orange
to emphasise zestyness
i will now watch your show
>that zest swagger
unreal
reminder that coomers will tolerate this just for the privilege of being able to watch a white woman through a screen
I'd watch it if he kept the blue suit and afro.
what a fricking waste, the new doctor should've been a horny shota
For a gay man RTD does have rather good sence when it comes to his "Something for the Dads" characters. Booby Cumday hid them quite well in Coronation Street but I'd estimate that she is a nice 28 E,
If you merged Billie Piper and Jenna Louise-Coleman together you would get this girl. I'm serious, I see so many signs of both that it starts to feel photoshopped.
She has bigger knockers than Donna though.
all i am looking at is the weird gap in her eyebrow
I think she got shot in the head
Well the new Doctor is black.
Racism is bad.
Was the binary vascular system a feature of Gallifreyan biology before the introduction of the Timeless Child genetic material
I'm out of the loop, why does it say series one?
Soft reboot
>soft reboot
>still refuses to retcon timeless child
Proof they hate the show.
They should have put the franchise on ice for another 15 years. But BBC were probably worried that DEI won't be a thing in 2038 so they had to strike now.
>still refuses to retcon timeless child
Timeless child is actually a good plotline twist and has been planned since the 80s with all NuWho show runners writing towards it. The problem you really have with it is the child wasn't a little white boy, but the timeless child the timelords found probably wasn't the 1st timeless child regeneration anyway.
if you're going to shitpost at least know what you're talking about
>Reeeeeee
<--- see that picture, that's you, that is.
how were nuwho showrunners planning this in the 80s?
time travel obviously. also somehow they convinced Cartmell to do TTC even though back then he never had a concrete idea for what he wanted to do and even "The Other" was never fully planned out
I've grown warmer to the concept of TTC over time. It became easier to reconcile with once I realised that since the doctor doesn't open the fobwatch he's got neither the memories nor the original species, so he's still just a time lord from the planet gallifrey, at least in current form. Regenerations are still limited and all that.
I wish that had been better communicated though. A lot of people who watched the series 12 finale weren't familiar with chameleon arches or the plot of Human Nature/Family Of Blood so most viewers won't really have associated the watch that well.
Still, it would have been cooler to have the master be the timeless child.
Why would the Master be so mad about it though?
Because he's a character who spent most of the classic series chasing an unnatural extension to his life after running the course of his entire original regenerative cycle (prior to being granted a new one for the Time War). Delgado is meant to be one of his last lives. Every time he's died he's wormed his way back into life becuase he wants to keep living.
Imagine striving for immortality your entire life, only to discover your history has been a lie, and you had immortality before it was not only ripped away from you, but given to pretty much everyone else in your civilisation.
The Master was already a pretty wrathful person, now imagine what such a shakeup would do to someone already quite unstable.
>Imagine striving for immortality your entire life, only to discover your history has been a lie, and you had immortality before it was not only ripped away from you, but given to pretty much everyone else in your civilisation.
plus it actually fits his personality that this affects him. TTC reveal doesn't affect the Doctor at all. he wouldn't want to hang onto immortality to himself, so the fact that it was taken from him literally doesn't mean anything to him. it was just a cheap plot twist meant to generate controversy and backfired immensely.
this exactly. The difference between the Master and the Doctor here cannot really be overstated.
During an interview for Doctor Who confidential about the Waters of Mars, David Tennant said that in regular stories the Doctor always has to be reset back to zero and not a lot of real development can happen for the show to remain interesting, and so he felt as though with these final episodes he could finally let loose.
The Master is no such character. They can develop and change as the stories progress. Missy's entire arc is essentially just one friend desperately trying everything she can to reconnect with another. From trying to turn him bad, to helping him survive something, all the way to trying to turn good herself. That's over three series.
Having the Master discover something so fundamentally important about themself is ultimately going to seriously affect them far more than it could the Doctor in the long run. (or it would have under any writer other than Chibnall. POTD basically didn't address it at all) Instead we get vague references to having been adopted now?
the way it's framed in the episode is rage at "having a part of you in me" which is just stupid. I'm sorry, but it makes no sense that the Master would care about that.
episode's pretty good I enjoyed it.
If the timeless child has infinite regenerations why would he suddenly run out of them?
The Tardis might run out of BBC funding
BBC? What do you mean by that?
I was making a 4th wall breaking joke to mock both the poor writing of Doctor who, and the fact that it is only kept alive by the British Broadcast Company (BBC).
Did you know that it was admitted in an interview that Doctor Who is at the forefront of the BBC's propaganda? If you asked me to provide you with the source of this information, I would not be able to find it. But I'm sure it was said somewhere. I just don't remember where. Maybe you Doctor Who obsessed fans can help me out?
Anyway stop thinking about porn all the time SCUM!!!
Doctor Who has been a government education tool since the very beginning. Except the lessons went from “This is what the past looked like” to “Cut your dick off and call yourself nonbinary”.
because, and I can't believe I have to say this, they were chameleon arch'd into a gallifreyan who later became a time lord after graduating the academy. What do you think the fobwatch in Flux was for?
Those scenes in the series 12 finale of the irish guy are the matrix disguising what really happened. When he gets the weird electrode thing placed on his head, that's a chameleon arch.
if he was TTL he would've been experimented on, forced to generate a few times, be the progenitor of the timelord civilization and then be memory wiped and abandoned.
It would've made his resentment better tbh.
plus why would the Master be mad that all this was done to the Doctor? he's not empathetic at all, he'd just want the power for himself.
Placing the doctor at the center of the universe kind of devalues the character, it would be better if it was the master.
>Timeless child is actually a good plotline twist
No it isn't
this is actually 100% correct but of course Nugays refuse to accept it.
It’s a soft reboot since the last few series were considered the worst dark ages since the show was first cancelled in the 1980s. Boring scripts, boring characters, a Doctor who never found her spark. The ratings were a disaster.
Disney+ took over global distribution and they don't want people browsing their catalogue to think you need to watch 13 seasons to "get" it.
In the UK it's still being marketed as series 14.
>In the UK it's still being marketed as series 14.
do you have a screenshot of this, from an official BBC source (not some third party getting it wrong)?
Series 11, 12 and 13 were deleted by parliamentary order and we've all agreed never to speak of them again. It would be a bit awkward to call this Series 14 because new viewers might ask what happened to the previous 3 series. Best to just move forward.
Jews need to stop forcing their fetish
What fetish?
I have the uncontrollable urge to cover my drink every time he looks down the camera the creepy weirdo
This is genuinely embarrassing, do you people really still watch this slop?
Will britishers accept the zestlord?
YOU TOO HAVE KNOWN LOSS, AND THAT LOSS TORMENTS YOU STILL
YOU HOPE HATRED MIGHT SOMEDAY REPLACE THE PAIN
BUT IT NEVER GOES AWAY
IT MAKES A MAN HIDEOUS INSIDE AND OUT
WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?
>companion is a blonde woman
>doctor is black
god I need to go back into my gooncave
disney actually start referrring to black man as 'bbc' now? isnt this objectifing and sexualsiing or something
LITERALLY MADE FOR BBC
He had more personality than Jodie. While he maybe played up certain aspects a bit too much it felt fun and energetic which the show hasn't really been in awhile
Literally GNFOS
Black people are better than white people. They've faced real adversity, not just spoon fed life like all the whites, and they're overall funnier and more charming.
>They've faced real adversity
idk about that. not abandoning your children, trying in school, and not shooting people comes pretty easy to white people.
das racist. You're a terrible person
a terrible person would do the things i listed
>incels who never watched doctor who getting mad over a black actor
No wonder this board is dying
Lol no one cares about this awful show anymore.