Based. He had a vision and made it come to life. AI makes art easily accessible for those who are willing to use it and learn how to place certain prompts. Y’all stay hating on personal expression
Yeah I'm using AI for my webcomic, it's fueled by all the inspiration I put on the internet starting in 2006.
Yeah and hop on social media with your funny little animations and people will swarm in to groom you until you're a total mutant of your former self like Aimkid.
Also if you hold Christian or conservative beliefs or even simply say things like "calarts style" they'll snatch away your livelihood - all you care about is control of the narrative
That's obviously not my intention because you're a groomer and you're replying to me.
And stop talking about art quality when you're defending industry things like Craig of the creek
So you believe in nothing about artwork besides the mere labor of it? So you're a communist. Sorry, I'm not one of your teenagers who can't identify your ideology with a single sentence
6 months ago
Anonymous
>So you believe in nothing about artwork besides the mere labor of it?
I mean, it's a prerequisite.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It used to be
Now it’s not
You can’t except that because of sunk cost fallacy
6 months ago
guy
I thought the prerequisite was having something to express. Commie starting his comprehension from his stupid book as always
KEK
Fricking GUY is into AI? Guess all that preaching about John K’s lesson and actual artistic skill goes right out the window, huh?
No go write 150 emails.
If you don't know what my art is about You Don't know Jack shit about me and are just bellowing pedophilic garbage. My main series since 2012 is specifically about AI development you clown
What people can generate from AI is defined in part by me dropping out of high school to spend my time inspiring other artists, i am the beast you seethe impotently about
Typewriters and word processors still require the person to actually type out the words you moron. Just like art tablets still require the artist to actually draw. They're just newer iterations on the same kind of tools
AI slop requires exactly 0 effort on the part of the person involved. They just use a machine-learning algorithm that steals from other people to make something that sometimes is legible
Artists use photographs other people made all the time, including straight up photobashing them
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're inspiring nobody
6 months ago
guy
I told the industry to stop using my inspiration, that's my current goal. When I send this message barrage after my YouTube video is up you'll shut your gibbering mouth again
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure they didn't use anything from you.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He's dead sure Vivzie copied this picture of his when making Asmodeus.
6 months ago
Anonymous
While I wouldn't put it past her to do something like that to another artist, there's no fricking way she'd do it to guy. She doesn't even know he exists.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Keep in mind guy is a literal schizophrenic. He can’t help believing the things he makes up. I bet he’s got Indonesian in him, then it’s literally in his blood.
6 months ago
guy
I made that drawing a few days ago you insane moron. All you're doing is showing that you're coping incoherently in your daily life while pretending like you're just stumbling across me
While I wouldn't put it past her to do something like that to another artist, there's no fricking way she'd do it to guy. She doesn't even know he exists.
Anybody who's posted on this board knows who i am, it's just financially advantageous to pretend otherwise without really believing it
>guy ruins another thread by pretending people care about him or anything he makes >he still can’t even speak English properly
I'm making a webcomic that features AI moron, I'm exactly on topic https://mspfa.com/?s=49461&p=1 (it doesn't show up for some pages)
Go ahead and say something about it, compare it to the one in the op, do anything but vent your mental illness and seek to cause psychological and reputational damage to me.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Backtracking?
6 months ago
guy
Are you triggering the part of your brain for cornering teenagers on discord, because all you're doing is giving me more screen capture send out when this YouTube video is finished processing
Other people who lack your financially-sourced Insanity can actually read and think.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I have your DeviantArt, Tumblr, Twitter, Steam, Reddit, Neoseeker and webcomic, but not your YouTube. What's your channel?
6 months ago
guy
Hey guy how's your niece?
1. BoilPuswell, shut up
2. Going to show every AI hater I have collected that I get absolutely no response to my webcomic that uses AI besides insane trolls attacking me. They're on the wrong side of reality
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Anybody who's posted on this board knows who i am
We do, but its not because of your art. It's because you're fricking crazy.
6 months ago
guy
Then you've seen my content to inspire other artists and provide guidance to the course of the medium, and your insult is an expression of an immature of mind which refrains from getting acquainted with this form of internet activity
Remember like two years ago when people said his art looked AI generated and he'd ape out and say it wasn't and anyone who thinks it did were groomers or something?
As I've told you before my main project from 2012 is about AI development. You live in an alternate reality from my projects defined by your moronation and pathetic behavior, they've always been here
>So you believe in nothing about artwork besides the mere labor of it
if the "labour" part wasn't your only interest you wouldn't defend AI to make pretty detailled slop for you and be happy with stick figures to transmit your ideas and emotions.
How does that make any sense
AI homosexuals really don't understand why most people champion actual artworks done by hand. The fact that you think it's all about "labor" makes your ilk worthy of being mocked.
No moron, I dropped out of high school in 2006 to advance artistic principles you people don't even give a shit about
6 months ago
Anonymous
You are the biggest loser to ever grace this board. If I could I would trade you for Songbird/Diamondback, that's how much you suck.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Artists use photographs other people made all the time, including straight up photobashing them
https://conceptartempire.com/photobashing/
>Photobashing is a technique where artists merge & blend photographs or 3D assets together while painting and compositing them into one finished piece.
>This is used by concept artists to speed up their workflow and achieve a realistic style.
>Some people think of photobashing as ‘cheating,’ but to use this technique successfully you have to have a functional understanding of lighting, composition, and form. Artists do not ignore fundamentals with photobashing. Instead they use their knowledge and skillset to speed up project work and achieve a finished result faster.
>Photobashing allows concept artists to work faster than usual and reach higher levels of detail by adding realistic photo elements into their environments, characters, or props.
>For example, if your project is set in a real location(like New York) it’s much faster to adapt a photograph than it is to paint from scratch.
Photobashing still requires actual effort and skill, something you lack.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Hey guy how's your niece?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>So you believe in nothing about artwork besides the mere labor of it
if the "labour" part wasn't your only interest you wouldn't defend AI to make pretty detailled slop for you and be happy with stick figures to transmit your ideas and emotions.
6 months ago
Anonymous
AI homosexuals really don't understand why most people champion actual artworks done by hand. The fact that you think it's all about "labor" makes your ilk worthy of being mocked.
KEK
Fricking GUY is into AI? Guess all that preaching about John K’s lesson and actual artistic skill goes right out the window, huh?
No go write 150 emails.
Remember like two years ago when people said his art looked AI generated and he'd ape out and say it wasn't and anyone who thinks it did were groomers or something?
Guy is just a bitter loser who wants to get back at the art world because the animation industry rejected him because it's full of woketarded communist pedophiles and not because he's a talentless creep.
Writers that used typewriters used to mock writers that used word processors. Then the word processors became the standard and typewriters became a novelty.
Yeah, and Nixon was the best president of all time
Nixon was based af. Kissinger and the globohomosexual FBI framed him. Nixon was a working class hero who rose through the ranks on merit. He didn't participate in cheese pizza parties, which is why he had to go. He called bohemian Grove the gaygiest thing ever.
>Oversaw the desegregation of schools >Ended the Vietnam war >Lowered the voting age from 21 to 18 >Gave Native Americans the right to self determination instead of forced integration
You wanna cry about him doing Watergate, be our guest but the guy did stuff that changed our nation
>Oversaw the desegregation of schools
Brown v. Board of Education made school segregation illegal 15 before his presidency. The Supreme Court that deserves most of the credit. Nixon deserves no more credit than the presidents who came before or after him.
>Ended the Vietnam war
He sabotaged the 1968 peace talks (look up the Chennault Affair) to help him win the presidency, extending US involvement in the war for an additional 4 years and perhaps ultimately causing South Vietnam to lose.
>Lowered the voting age from 21 to 18
This was the 26th amendment, and the president does not have a role in amending the constitution. Ted Kennedy deserves most of the credit, since he proposed and pushed for the original bill lowering the voting age (which got struck down by the Supreme Court, prompting Congress to pass the 26th amendment). Nixon's only part was in signing Kennedy's bill that Humphrey surely would have also signed.
>Gave Native Americans the right to self determination instead of forced integration
True.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Lick the establishment boot. Woodward and Bernstein and deep throat were all cia glowBlack folk, working for the cia propaganda rag the Washington post. Nixon ended wars, so had to go.
Typewriters and word processors still require the person to actually type out the words you moron. Just like art tablets still require the artist to actually draw. They're just newer iterations on the same kind of tools
AI slop requires exactly 0 effort on the part of the person involved. They just use a machine-learning algorithm that steals from other people to make something that sometimes is legible
Actually, word processors handle a lot of things for you automatically such as punctuation, formatting, and even suggestions when it comes to vocabulary. It's also endlessly re-writable.
In AI, the person still has to write the prompt and effectively describe what they want. So, it is creative, or writing itself is not creative at all.
>Actually, word processors handle a lot of things for you automatically such as punctuation, formatting, and even suggestions when it comes to vocabulary. It's also endlessly re-writable.
Yes but the person is still doing most of the work. The processor is just an aid.
>In AI, the person still has to write the prompt and effectively describe what they want. So, it is creative, or writing itself is not creative at all.
Which requires no real effort on the part of the person. That's the point your missing. This anon hit the nail on the head
The difference is that a word processor aids the writer while a prompter aids the AI.
The only semi not-moronic use of AI I've seen is some guy that feeds Midjourney his own character designs and has it make an image based on a rough outline sketch, that he then takes and effectively redraw a lot of
It still feels soulless and you can tell its partially AI generated though
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It still feels soulless and you can tell its partially AI generated though
It's also wildly inconsistent between panels, and the prompter is so detached from the creative process that he misses mistakes like his 90s character watching the side of a flatscreen TV.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Kek I knew it felt soulless and that's exactly it. Basic continuity shit and nonsensical art.
It's just AI slop with a coat of paint. If the guy actually had a bit more talent the way he's using it would make a little more sense but nah.
6 months ago
Anonymous
And the daft thing is she could've just drawn it in a fraction of the time and had a comic that was a bit less crap.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yep very true. But these AI types need to feel like they're innovative so to them overcomplicating and elongating the process is somehow good
6 months ago
Anonymous
The most general of blanket quantitative angles to their rhetoric is all they've got to give worth to what's by the advertised nature of the technology, worthless. A common argument it is that the it's a "just press a button" thing, so they double and triple down on how getting something close to what they want (rather than something that may look exactly as "good" but less close in terms of the actual content) involves a lot of tweaking. As long as they can state that the process is not easy and simple, the sheer stupidity and pointlessness of whatever hard and complicated things they're actually doing doesn't matter.
It's wonderfully ironic that when that also fails, all there's inevitably left is "you're just too stupid to get it". This "thinking for yourself" approach though
They lash out and cry about AI without actually thinking about it. They've already been told AI is bad therefore it HAS to be bad and brain power doesn't actually kick in before the thought is finished. Thinking for yourself might lead to an opinion that goes against the group so it's automatically wrong.
is legitimately too funny and sad to not be self-aware.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yep, like Shad. He made a new YouTube channel entirely dedicated to showing us that it takes more than 30 seconds to generate an image, and that as such we should accept him as an artist.
https://www.youtube.com/@SHAD_AI
6 months ago
Anonymous
Still don't get the issue. Why are you so pressed?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Doesn't this disturb you even a bit? New tech came out that showed our thought processes are pretty easily reproducible, and instead of clinging on to humanity and seeking the soul that makes up the difference between machine and human art, thousands of people are flooding the web with AI images. We already don't know how many of the users we interact with on the web are actually bots - in the near future, it could be the majority, both in text and image. We can't even escape, because everything's done online now.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>our thought processes are pretty easily reproducible
That's SPECIFICALLY what the tech doesn't do, anon: it imitates the outcome of the process, not the process.
Granted, it's proving that for many, many people there's no distinction that says a lot about society etc
6 months ago
Anonymous
The techbros' angle is that, by imitating the outcome and throwing in increasingly more data and more computing power, the whole thing could grow inwards from the superficial into actual genuine sentience (and that's why everybody should let them use everything ever for free). There's not really actual arguments or base to support that possibility of course, because the actual goal is to be convincing enough for enough people to fail to see the difference, effectively making it the real thing because you can't tell it isn't.
6 months ago
Anonymous
People will still make art. AI uses references from art uploaded to sites that allow said art to be taken and used by AI. Blame the sites you upload art onto for allowing your shit to be taken and used.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>muh soul
You are a feeble minded homosexual. I pursue truth and only truth above all else, no matter where it leads. Every bit of new knowledge gained is a blessing to be celebrated, not feared. You are a luddite.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Among the obligatory couple dozen blunt ironies present in any pro-slop rhetoric, the fact that ChatGPT could point out just how wrong you got what "Luddite" actually implies is probably my favorite lmao
6 months ago
Anonymous
>he's huffing and puffing >he's implying and implying >he celebrates victory without ever delivering on his promises
Hey, b***h. Instead of gloating about what you "could" do. Why don't you try putting up and actual argument instead?
>The Luddites were members of a 19th-century movement of English textile workers which opposed the use of certain types of cost-saving machinery, often by destroying the machines in clandestine raids. They protested against manufacturers who used machines in "a fraudulent and deceitful manner" to replace the skilled labour of workers and drive down wages by producing inferior goods
I dunno but from where I stand that describes the hysteria of the anti-AI crowd pretty well.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Way to prove your "search for truth" involves starting from the truth you want and then lodging your head up your ass for insulation lol
Can't say I blame you. The tech both in nature and appeal is all about working your way backwards, but without he work part of course.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Have he considered that maybe it's the programs he's using that got better and not him
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, in his new YT channel he makes it clear he's an intellectual powerhouse who's simply a better standard of AI-assisted artist, and not at all an entrenched delusional jackass quintupling down on his insecurities.
https://www.youtube.com/@SHAD_AI
6 months ago
Anonymous
>My wife yelled at me for giving her bigger boobs.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Can I get a glass of tap water >Sure it's 3 bucks >But it's tap water >You see the tap I'm getting it from is in another building on the third floor >Isn't there a tap in the kitchen over there >It's stuck and I'm not a plumber >Gimme me bottled water then >We don't get bottled water it's too expensive
6 months ago
Anonymous
This is how he draws, so that's not an option, kek.
6 months ago
Anonymous
SMBC and XKCD prove you don't need to be a good artist to have a popular webcomic. All that time he says he spends wrangling the AI into generating acceptable slop could be spent drawing comics like a caveman. Problem is his writing is terrible too.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>his writing is terrible too
Good writing also takes effort, which seems to be like Kryptonite to these AI enthusiasts
6 months ago
Anonymous
Something about AI art messes with me, like everything is almost there but not quite, these panels specifically set me off, I can't articulate it but they're just wrong in some way that makes me wanna look away from it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
For me the things I immediately notice are
>blurry "linework" >design differences between panels >the weird feeling of looking polished and perfect while also being sloppy and full of tiny mistakes
There's just a kind of aura of unauthenticity to it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>the weird feeling of looking polished and perfect while also being sloppy and full of tiny mistakes
This is a great explanation of why AI images look so wrong. They show the technical skill of a master painter, while being riddled with the most basic mistakes. It's like the Goatman copying your friend or Spock assuming command in that one episode.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Look at the background buildings leaning away from them.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I think he's using AI to create some bases for motion when AI isn't good with motion at all. It's best used for still images. Unless he also doesn't know how to do motion.
6 months ago
Anonymous
maybe the co2 detector is broken in her house
6 months ago
Anonymous
>2-3 days per panel
Holy shit it would be much quicker and easier to just draw it.
If you look at my webcomic I'm doing plenty of work incorporating what AI generates for me, including extrapolating chat GPT information in my brain. You just don't want to say anything about it because it breaks your narrative.
There is no meaningful mechanical difference between writing with a typewriter and a word processor, the only difference is the interface which again is virtually indistinguishable outside of certain tactile elements since keyboards are based on typewriters.
>art was always easily accessible Black person
No the frick it was not you stupid fricking Black person. Artists used to have to get patronized by rich c**ts to even begin to work with any actual tool. Literally only the past 3-4 decades have seen art become cheap and accessible enough that any homosexual with bad ideas can do it
1. It's a highly specialized still that takes a lot of time to refine to a professional or even intermediate level. Given the multitude of things people can commit their time to, it can be hard to make drawing and painting a priority even if a person is interested in it. It's something you typically need to do almost every day for a decent amount of time to make good progress
2. Talent and innate ability impede a lot of peoples' ability to draw well, or to at least get to a competent level quickly
3. Yes there are a lot of free resources for learning now, but getting feedback and support from other artists is also important for improvement. For this though the community tends to gatekeep or form cliques which essentially exclude others or make it more difficult for certain people to get good regular feedback
I say this as someone that's been drawing for a long time and has reached an intermediate level. It's not as straightforward as 'just pick up a pencil'.
Thing is, the vast majority of AI shills I've seen aren't complaining that they don't have what it takes to git gud. Not out loud, anyways. They're basically throwing a shitfit about "not being able to draw at all", which instead of sounding like they're lamenting their lack of talent makes it look like they can't be assed to even pick up a pencil and scribble to get started. Which, unless you have extensive nerve damage keeping you from holding a pencil straight, sounds like the most lazy and pampered reaction ever to being told "just try".
Frankly, if ai shills admitted that they didn't WANT to get good at drawing the traditional way and just wanted a computer to shit out this shit en masse with far less effort and time investment on their part, people would actually like them far more for their honesty, since it's obvious to even a kid that the skills needed to force the AI to make art pieces are very different from traditional art and probably not that much easier once you get to the higher levels. But as long as they keep squealing about how they deserve just as many accolades as traditional artists while simultaneously gloating how they spend less time on putting in the effort and malding how they can't draw themselves, people are just going to keep telling them "Maybe you should pick up a fricking pencil and give it a try instead".
It's not personal expression though, it's a soulless algorithm that would have produced the exact same slop if someone else put in the prompt. And no, writing prompts is not a form of art any more than commissioning pictures fom a human is.
In a way, it IS personal expression (of a particular type of personality that doesn't really understand personal expression). For somebody who is accustomed to act by rationalizing convenience rather than by a set of guiding principles, there's functionally no difference to begin with.
Nick Simmons rips off Bleach and Cinemaphile hates it.
Greg Land keeps lightboxing and tracing cheap pornography for ALL his work, he still gets tons of works and even though Cinemaphile occasionally laughs at him, he barely has to think much less put effort in and he gets paid and is respected in the industry (more than Liefeld, by the way, despite what you think of his style it's and honest one that takes effort but people would rather praise Land's porno traces than accept that Liefeld is an important comic book artist with lasting influence.)
Now capesludge fanboys are praising "AI" --actually just plagiarizing internet scraping algorithms-- because they can only imagine a comic book in the house styles of DC, Marvel, or maybe Archie. You can draw amazing comics in ANY FRICKING STYLE AT ALL. But no, I can't draw buxom prostitutes in the same 1950s leotards capesludge started with, the only survivors of the self imposed CCA fiasco that gauranteed all future stories would suck so I was waiting to get an 'easy button' handed to me so I can continue the mindless tradition of adding more shitty capesludge to the mountain of trash no one really reads.
Greg land getting respect is a bit of a stretch. More like he gets work b/c its on time, I don't think I know a lot of people who get excited at the prospect of greg land drawing.
Not a single comic reader respects Greg Land. But dude keeps getting work because from what I know the fricker actually turns in his work on time, which seems to only be doable easier since he traces everything
Then you've seen my content to inspire other artists and provide guidance to the course of the medium, and your insult is an expression of an immature of mind which refrains from getting acquainted with this form of internet activity
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As I've told you before my main project from 2012 is about AI development. You live in an alternate reality from my projects defined by your moronation and pathetic behavior, they've always been here
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How does that make any sense
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No moron, I dropped out of high school in 2006 to advance artistic principles you people don't even give a shit about
And despite all that, you spend your time here on Cinemaphile seething about anons
>spent thousands of hours >still couldn't get two panels with the same artstyle >the font styles don't even match up
AI can make some funny shitposts but people thinking it can be used for bigger projects are an unreal level of delusional
jesus christ this slop is soulless as frick. the character designs aren't even consistent from panel to panel. Hell even the "art style" from the AI isn't consistent from panel to panel
and the writing is fricking atrocious, I've seen better dialogue from third graders drawing a comic in their school notebook
Webcomic pages are getting inundated with AI slop.
It's not AI's fault that "the art-style keeps changing" it's because of the source material: you look at any major studio comics from the last 20 years quality has gone so far down the shitter it's like a different artist drew every panel kek.
>It's not AI's fault that "the art-style keeps changing" it's because of the source material
It is the AI's fault, because the AI isn't actually intelligent. it's just an algorithm that takes stolen works and attempts to make sense of them because it gets "taught" what certain things look like and tries its best to make things by mashing together a bunch of stolen things.
>you look at any major studio comics from the last 20 years quality has gone so far down the shitter it's like a different artist drew every panel kek.
major comics have an issue with art quality decline but I would not go as far as to say the panels look like completely different artists, you can still clearly see its the same artist just that they're either
a. not very talented
b. forced to rush out a project on a time crunch
AI slop literally changes designs from image to image. The interior of the ship, the characters, the background exterior.
>realistic beetle >realistic anthro fox and a more stylized beetle >a different stylized beetle >a more stylized fox and a realistic beetle with a cartoon body >rocket raccoon and a different stylized beetle >a cartoon fox punching the android robot mascot >an octopus and a orange slug >a chibi version of the last octopus and a sweaty orange man >a tentacle monster and a slime monster
I dunno what crack you have to be smoking to just not see the bizarre discrepancy, not one panel looks like it matches.
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It's not AI's fault that "the art-style keeps changing" it's because of the source material: you look at any major studio comics from the last 20 years quality has gone so far down the shitter it's like a different artist drew every panel kek.
yeah but batman isn't turning into manbat between panels m8 these characters are literally shifting into entire different designs from moment to moment.
>these characters are literally shifting into entire different designs from moment to moment.
That's what my characters do
>Artists use photographs other people made all the time, including straight up photobashing them
https://conceptartempire.com/photobashing/
>Photobashing is a technique where artists merge & blend photographs or 3D assets together while painting and compositing them into one finished piece.
>This is used by concept artists to speed up their workflow and achieve a realistic style.
>Some people think of photobashing as ‘cheating,’ but to use this technique successfully you have to have a functional understanding of lighting, composition, and form. Artists do not ignore fundamentals with photobashing. Instead they use their knowledge and skillset to speed up project work and achieve a finished result faster.
>Photobashing allows concept artists to work faster than usual and reach higher levels of detail by adding realistic photo elements into their environments, characters, or props.
>For example, if your project is set in a real location(like New York) it’s much faster to adapt a photograph than it is to paint from scratch.
Photobashing still requires actual effort and skill, something you lack.
1. You will shut up when I inundate your industry with emails, understand that this is the reason
2. You can use an AI generated image for anything you would use a photograph for
>the fricking swole snake and the skeleton warrior that just show up halfway through
I take everything I've said about AI back this is fricking high art.
>all these mental gymnastics from people trying really really hard to say "n-no, AI is bad"
These are the same people who won't give the average webcomic the time of day simply because it doesn't reach their inflated standard of art and writing quality. The same people who denounce webcomics, or maybe even comics in general, as literal children's media. The same people that have been shitting on OC webcomics for many years. But now when they're AI generated they're suddenly a problem. They want to solve a problem that is way more of a problem in their own head due to years of self-gaslighting than it actually is.
This is such a non-argument. This thread shouldn't exist.
>you have an opinion? I bet you also hold another opinion that would make your first opinion seem silly
you really showed that group of people that doesn't exist whose morally superior, good job pal
This is like the 50th AI-baww thread I've seen this month alone. We don't need another that repeats the same plot beats and goes absolutely nowhere. It's complaining for the sake of complaining at this point.
>These are the same people who won't give the average webcomic the time of day simply because it doesn't reach their inflated standard of art and writing quality.
this is not true.
this is only going to get better and probably by next year those inconsistencies between panels will be ironed out. the script is probably AI too. It's going to become 'make me a funny comic in the style of x' and hit the refresh button a dozen of times until something half decent comes out. The only thing people will be able to do is fanart or lewds of a new series because the training data wont exist or execs wont allow it. When it can actively train new data in real time then we are truly fricked.
It's unironically good this technology is helping to instantly flag visually the output of people that may have the impulse to create (or the ambition to profit from it) but lack the follow through to actually get anything worthwhile out of that impulse, safely extrapolable from visuals to basically anything else. For audiences with standards this actually saves a lot of time invested in "the benefit of the doubt", and appropriately enough the human eye gets trained surprisingly fast to simply dismiss this stuff even from thumbnails.
They lash out and cry about AI without actually thinking about it. They've already been told AI is bad therefore it HAS to be bad and brain power doesn't actually kick in before the thought is finished. Thinking for yourself might lead to an opinion that goes against the group so it's automatically wrong.
Considering the "breakthrough" was simply the decision of liberally stealing the whole internet for their models and that could have been done 5 years ago, I wonder if the plan was already in place around the time of the NFT gold rush but (they) decided to hold the AI thing until they could see whether money could be made with NFTs first, as the "value" per unit would have been tremendously compromised by the ability to create literally infinite variations of an image almost instantly.
>Internet gives people using AI attention and exposure over the thousands doing it the "right way," buried and ignored by the algorithm and coomer majority.
And you wonder why they keep doing it.
That's how social media works, but there's the peril of a conceit in a broader context, and artist should remember that AI images devaluate AI images, not all images.
Though it's unfair, if you're an artist and your work gets lost among this slop, it's up to you to ask yourself why.
>Internet gives people using AI attention
On what site, Reddit? Outside of memes, you'll never see any AI art on the top page. Twitter? Only people who care about AI there are ex crypto scammers. Artstation, Deviantart, Pixv? Still dominanted by handraw art.
But artist spaces still reject AI shit as a whole while still propping up naturally made artwork. There's artwork ranging from full rendered pieces to simple sketches that still regularly get more attention and praise than computer generated slop.
>over the thousands doing it the "right way,"
Most people who do it "the right way" should never even post their shit, much less expect any positive attention for it. Most so called artists are completely untalented incompetents who do nothing but spam literal trash that should not be occupying any online space.
>HEY FELLAS DID YOU HEAR THAT SOMEONE SOMEWHERE IS DOING A THING THAT YOU FIND ANNOYING? ARE YOU MAD? ARE YOU MAD YET? YOU SHOULD BE MAD ABOUT THIS THING YOU NEVER WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IF I DIDN'T TELL YOU ABOUT IT, BE MAD.
OP who fricking cares?
Are you actually trying to be make Cinemaphile be your personal army in 2023?
I like that ai stuff because it may present an interestin view into laissez faire enviroment. And to webcomic? Free market shall decide if he will be soccesfull
I had nooooooo idea there were so many people secretly seething about not being able to draw, just waiting to jump at the opportunity to rub their mediocrity in everyone's faces.
Not really. Egalitarianism is accepting everybody can do a good job just the same if you provide each of them with the proper framework to work in: the difficulties involved are agnostic to the task itself. i.e. a paraplegic can work in an office building if it has ramps and an elevator, and making a policy of not hiring paraplegics in order to avoid the expenses of making the building accessible is unlawful.
AI art is the ramp for the artistically paraplegic.
Regardless I'm not seething at the existence of AI art, it's just a tool like any other. What I laugh at is the insistence of its users DEMANDING the same level of respect that actual artists receive. It's just pathetic on the face of it.
NTA But I agree. I wish more people would see Ai as a tool then as a next topic of Internet shitflinging. exept maybe porn you don't really go to porn artist for personality.
The tool steals stolen art. It can never be used as a tool for anything legitimate unless it has a button where you pay the original artists. It can never be a legitimate method unless it's an expensive one
The difference, of course, is that a paraplegic can't will himself off his ass.
Laziness isn't a disability except on the broadest, existential sense (certainly not in the legal one). Personally I'm glad shills stopped going for the angle about how AI is a wholesome boon to disabled artists as it that somehow validated it for everybody else; even in a generally sleazy and deluded rhetoric, that bit was specially shocking. Though it's amusing to think what would happen if it backfired and the tech suddenly got outlawed for everybody EXCEPT the disabled.
NTA But I agree. I wish more people would see Ai as a tool then as a next topic of Internet shitflinging. exept maybe porn you don't really go to porn artist for personality.
I wish the "just a tool" notion stopped creeping into even the critical side of the argument. It's part of all circular logic and semantics combo used in allmost all legitimation of this crap.
A tool channels a relevant skillset, it doesn't replace it. That skillset is separate from the arguable separate skillset of operating the tool.
A tool can be replaced for another equivalent tool producing consistent results, because the relevant skillset carries more logistical relevance than the tool itself.
And a tool is never waaaaaaaaaaay more tricky and costly to replace than the user is.
I agree with the sentiment though that the only real problem with the technology is somehow considering it a real legitimate alternative to the same endeavor, or considering the value of the output the same as creative work done by qualified professionals. That's just delusional at best, and a straight swindle at worst.
I feel like one could us it as a tool
like here
https://twitter.com/MartinNebelong/status/1723432424053317816
now have that use a seinfeld LoRA and paint fake screenshots of kramer slowly murdering the rest of the gang
I'm extremely disappointed in the twitter-right for kneeling to Silicon Valley technocracy and basically conceding traditional art to internet leftists just because they liberal arts classes are dominated by their political enemies. They cucked out instead of fighting to reclaim the world of art for themselves. I've even heard some idiot say that art is for the left. What nonsense. Was Michelangelo a lefty? Was Da Vinci? Was Dali? No, in fact I'd wager that 90% of artists in human history weren't sissies. AI art is for the sissies. It requires no skill, no dedication, no acts of will, no drive, no discipline, all the things the right should stand for. It's just weak and pathetic.
I'm also surprised that the left is proving to be more in tune with the human soul and trad values concerning art than the so-called right is, which seems to be extremely short-sighted and just out to "own the libs" without a second of critical self-reflection. Along with the left's recent anti-Zionism, they're on the right track in these two instances. Maybe for the first time.
Right, that's another piece of the puzzle as to why this whole thing is so embarrassing. People who appear to be creatively bankrupt by nature seem to think they can just make great stuff as long as they have a machine do the art for them, not understanding they're not writers either. In fact, they're not anything.
They should at least cuck out on writing too and just let ChatGPT make the story for them, no human credit needed.
>different typefaces every panel >different colors every panel
lmao AI guys say that every month AI models make "leaps and bounds" in what the tech can do, but I have yet to see any of them able to have actual character, palette, and design consistency. that was something I heard people talk about at the beginning of the year in Stable Diffusion threads and yet no one seems to be able to do it.
This is an eastern mindset thing. They don't value the art process all they care about is constant updates and if the book is in color.
That's the only recipe for success in webtoons, 3d assets, tracing/photo references and AI are all fair game in that space.
You speak like you're putting this energy directly into a masturbation session in a few hours
>thread stays alive despite there being nothing really new to talk about because people get baited into reply chains with a schizo contrarian who keeps bumping the thread and making it personal
Shut up samegay, I'm making it personal to people in your industry and so you're just lashing out at me for my emails, pretending like there isn't a direct connection there, but your fig leaf is blown away
Guy is just a bitter loser who wants to get back at the art world because the animation industry rejected him because it's full of woketarded communist pedophiles and not because he's a talentless creep.
If they want to reject me they can also stop using my inspiration embodied in things like Steven Universe, which people were so excited for in the first season but since I had languished in poverty, the potential of the show fell apart
Also any people going to say anything about my webcomic
You are the biggest loser to ever grace this board. If I could I would trade you for Songbird/Diamondback, that's how much you suck.
I'm literally winning big right now so clearly you're not aligned properly with heaven, unlike some people I follow on social media
>thread stays alive despite there being nothing really new to talk about because people get baited into reply chains with a schizo contrarian who keeps bumping the thread and making it personal
AI gays are only upset because they think artists are high on their own farts and think normies don't deserve to make art because they lack the skill. That's true AI art sucks a fat egg at making art and it's nothing but copying the art of actual artists that's why it sucks. Normies are garbage because they are capable of making art they're just lazy, they look at Jackson Pollocks works and banana stapled to wall and say, I could make that, and then they don't fricking do anything. They want to make very specific polished art like they saw growing up on Tumblr and they don't want to develop their own style or skills to get it.
Normie logic is like >your art is too expensive so i'm going to upload your library of works into my machine and have it bash out what I want in your style
It's literally counterfeits
Apparently you can't appreciate the process of real art. It's not as easy as just listing all the incredible things to be found. It takes peaceful contemplation which apparently is too much for you, hence seeking to attack my character for embracing a more advanced artistry than normies know
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'll start recognizing you as an artist the day you actually pick up a pencil and draw something, lol
6 months ago
guy
I just drew a spider multiple times, also myself as a teenager, the incredible images AI makes for me May distract some from them though
6 months ago
Anonymous
Pics or it didn't happen
6 months ago
guy
Pictures of spider
Stop impersonating me, I've seen the error of my ways
1. Stop impersonating me, my ways are good
2. You must put more effort into seeing it
6 months ago
Anonymous
If you drew that with an actual pen instead of using ai, then that's not terrible, man.
6 months ago
guy
Stop impersonating me, I've seen the error of my ways
Based. He had a vision and made it come to life. AI makes art easily accessible for those who are willing to use it and learn how to place certain prompts. Y’all stay hating on personal expression
art was always easily accessible Black person
Yeah I'm using AI for my webcomic, it's fueled by all the inspiration I put on the internet starting in 2006.
Yeah and hop on social media with your funny little animations and people will swarm in to groom you until you're a total mutant of your former self like Aimkid.
Also if you hold Christian or conservative beliefs or even simply say things like "calarts style" they'll snatch away your livelihood - all you care about is control of the narrative
>use AI so your art is shitty enough to repel groomers
That's obviously not my intention because you're a groomer and you're replying to me.
And stop talking about art quality when you're defending industry things like Craig of the creek
Never heard of it.
Okay then what are you defending?
Anything made with one of these.
So you believe in nothing about artwork besides the mere labor of it? So you're a communist. Sorry, I'm not one of your teenagers who can't identify your ideology with a single sentence
>So you believe in nothing about artwork besides the mere labor of it?
I mean, it's a prerequisite.
It used to be
Now it’s not
You can’t except that because of sunk cost fallacy
I thought the prerequisite was having something to express. Commie starting his comprehension from his stupid book as always
If you don't know what my art is about You Don't know Jack shit about me and are just bellowing pedophilic garbage. My main series since 2012 is specifically about AI development you clown
What people can generate from AI is defined in part by me dropping out of high school to spend my time inspiring other artists, i am the beast you seethe impotently about
Artists use photographs other people made all the time, including straight up photobashing them
You're inspiring nobody
I told the industry to stop using my inspiration, that's my current goal. When I send this message barrage after my YouTube video is up you'll shut your gibbering mouth again
I'm pretty sure they didn't use anything from you.
He's dead sure Vivzie copied this picture of his when making Asmodeus.
While I wouldn't put it past her to do something like that to another artist, there's no fricking way she'd do it to guy. She doesn't even know he exists.
Keep in mind guy is a literal schizophrenic. He can’t help believing the things he makes up. I bet he’s got Indonesian in him, then it’s literally in his blood.
I made that drawing a few days ago you insane moron. All you're doing is showing that you're coping incoherently in your daily life while pretending like you're just stumbling across me
Anybody who's posted on this board knows who i am, it's just financially advantageous to pretend otherwise without really believing it
I'm making a webcomic that features AI moron, I'm exactly on topic https://mspfa.com/?s=49461&p=1 (it doesn't show up for some pages)
Go ahead and say something about it, compare it to the one in the op, do anything but vent your mental illness and seek to cause psychological and reputational damage to me.
Backtracking?
Are you triggering the part of your brain for cornering teenagers on discord, because all you're doing is giving me more screen capture send out when this YouTube video is finished processing
Other people who lack your financially-sourced Insanity can actually read and think.
I have your DeviantArt, Tumblr, Twitter, Steam, Reddit, Neoseeker and webcomic, but not your YouTube. What's your channel?
1. BoilPuswell, shut up
2. Going to show every AI hater I have collected that I get absolutely no response to my webcomic that uses AI besides insane trolls attacking me. They're on the wrong side of reality
>Anybody who's posted on this board knows who i am
We do, but its not because of your art. It's because you're fricking crazy.
Then you've seen my content to inspire other artists and provide guidance to the course of the medium, and your insult is an expression of an immature of mind which refrains from getting acquainted with this form of internet activity
As I've told you before my main project from 2012 is about AI development. You live in an alternate reality from my projects defined by your moronation and pathetic behavior, they've always been here
How does that make any sense
No moron, I dropped out of high school in 2006 to advance artistic principles you people don't even give a shit about
You are the biggest loser to ever grace this board. If I could I would trade you for Songbird/Diamondback, that's how much you suck.
>Artists use photographs other people made all the time, including straight up photobashing them
https://conceptartempire.com/photobashing/
>Photobashing is a technique where artists merge & blend photographs or 3D assets together while painting and compositing them into one finished piece.
>This is used by concept artists to speed up their workflow and achieve a realistic style.
>Some people think of photobashing as ‘cheating,’ but to use this technique successfully you have to have a functional understanding of lighting, composition, and form. Artists do not ignore fundamentals with photobashing. Instead they use their knowledge and skillset to speed up project work and achieve a finished result faster.
>Photobashing allows concept artists to work faster than usual and reach higher levels of detail by adding realistic photo elements into their environments, characters, or props.
>For example, if your project is set in a real location(like New York) it’s much faster to adapt a photograph than it is to paint from scratch.
Photobashing still requires actual effort and skill, something you lack.
Hey guy how's your niece?
>So you believe in nothing about artwork besides the mere labor of it
if the "labour" part wasn't your only interest you wouldn't defend AI to make pretty detailled slop for you and be happy with stick figures to transmit your ideas and emotions.
AI homosexuals really don't understand why most people champion actual artworks done by hand. The fact that you think it's all about "labor" makes your ilk worthy of being mocked.
>So you're a communist.
yes
Yes troony. Does it really not telegraph to you that people would rather deal in visual FECES than deal with your ilk?
Take the fricking hint!
KEK
Fricking GUY is into AI? Guess all that preaching about John K’s lesson and actual artistic skill goes right out the window, huh?
No go write 150 emails.
Remember like two years ago when people said his art looked AI generated and he'd ape out and say it wasn't and anyone who thinks it did were groomers or something?
Guy is just a bitter loser who wants to get back at the art world because the animation industry rejected him because it's full of woketarded communist pedophiles and not because he's a talentless creep.
Peppermint boobs
10000000 hours of grinding isn't accessible
It is. It just mean less time playing video games or being passive in front of screen.
>being alive isn't accessible!
That's a you problem then. You can't do, you refuse to do, so you'll burn everything else down out of spite.
Writers that used typewriters used to mock writers that used word processors. Then the word processors became the standard and typewriters became a novelty.
Yeah, and Nixon was the best president of all time
I'm glad modern presidents like Obama never sank down to his level of… spying on US citizens.
Nixon was based af. Kissinger and the globohomosexual FBI framed him. Nixon was a working class hero who rose through the ranks on merit. He didn't participate in cheese pizza parties, which is why he had to go. He called bohemian Grove the gaygiest thing ever.
>Oversaw the desegregation of schools
>Ended the Vietnam war
>Lowered the voting age from 21 to 18
>Gave Native Americans the right to self determination instead of forced integration
You wanna cry about him doing Watergate, be our guest but the guy did stuff that changed our nation
>lists out all negatives
>acts like they're positive
Holy shit, have a nice day.
>Oversaw the desegregation of schools
Brown v. Board of Education made school segregation illegal 15 before his presidency. The Supreme Court that deserves most of the credit. Nixon deserves no more credit than the presidents who came before or after him.
>Ended the Vietnam war
He sabotaged the 1968 peace talks (look up the Chennault Affair) to help him win the presidency, extending US involvement in the war for an additional 4 years and perhaps ultimately causing South Vietnam to lose.
>Lowered the voting age from 21 to 18
This was the 26th amendment, and the president does not have a role in amending the constitution. Ted Kennedy deserves most of the credit, since he proposed and pushed for the original bill lowering the voting age (which got struck down by the Supreme Court, prompting Congress to pass the 26th amendment). Nixon's only part was in signing Kennedy's bill that Humphrey surely would have also signed.
>Gave Native Americans the right to self determination instead of forced integration
True.
Lick the establishment boot. Woodward and Bernstein and deep throat were all cia glowBlack folk, working for the cia propaganda rag the Washington post. Nixon ended wars, so had to go.
Every single one of those things you mentioned was a disastrous idea that has caused demonstrable harm to the world.
Typewriters and word processors still require the person to actually type out the words you moron. Just like art tablets still require the artist to actually draw. They're just newer iterations on the same kind of tools
AI slop requires exactly 0 effort on the part of the person involved. They just use a machine-learning algorithm that steals from other people to make something that sometimes is legible
Actually, word processors handle a lot of things for you automatically such as punctuation, formatting, and even suggestions when it comes to vocabulary. It's also endlessly re-writable.
In AI, the person still has to write the prompt and effectively describe what they want. So, it is creative, or writing itself is not creative at all.
The difference is that a word processor aids the writer while a prompter aids the AI.
>Actually, word processors handle a lot of things for you automatically such as punctuation, formatting, and even suggestions when it comes to vocabulary. It's also endlessly re-writable.
Yes but the person is still doing most of the work. The processor is just an aid.
>In AI, the person still has to write the prompt and effectively describe what they want. So, it is creative, or writing itself is not creative at all.
Which requires no real effort on the part of the person. That's the point your missing. This anon hit the nail on the head
The only semi not-moronic use of AI I've seen is some guy that feeds Midjourney his own character designs and has it make an image based on a rough outline sketch, that he then takes and effectively redraw a lot of
https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/16ymvo5/sagittarius/k3aqyxi/
It still feels soulless and you can tell its partially AI generated though
>It still feels soulless and you can tell its partially AI generated though
It's also wildly inconsistent between panels, and the prompter is so detached from the creative process that he misses mistakes like his 90s character watching the side of a flatscreen TV.
Kek I knew it felt soulless and that's exactly it. Basic continuity shit and nonsensical art.
It's just AI slop with a coat of paint. If the guy actually had a bit more talent the way he's using it would make a little more sense but nah.
And the daft thing is she could've just drawn it in a fraction of the time and had a comic that was a bit less crap.
Yep very true. But these AI types need to feel like they're innovative so to them overcomplicating and elongating the process is somehow good
The most general of blanket quantitative angles to their rhetoric is all they've got to give worth to what's by the advertised nature of the technology, worthless. A common argument it is that the it's a "just press a button" thing, so they double and triple down on how getting something close to what they want (rather than something that may look exactly as "good" but less close in terms of the actual content) involves a lot of tweaking. As long as they can state that the process is not easy and simple, the sheer stupidity and pointlessness of whatever hard and complicated things they're actually doing doesn't matter.
It's wonderfully ironic that when that also fails, all there's inevitably left is "you're just too stupid to get it". This "thinking for yourself" approach though
is legitimately too funny and sad to not be self-aware.
Yep, like Shad. He made a new YouTube channel entirely dedicated to showing us that it takes more than 30 seconds to generate an image, and that as such we should accept him as an artist.
https://www.youtube.com/@SHAD_AI
Still don't get the issue. Why are you so pressed?
Doesn't this disturb you even a bit? New tech came out that showed our thought processes are pretty easily reproducible, and instead of clinging on to humanity and seeking the soul that makes up the difference between machine and human art, thousands of people are flooding the web with AI images. We already don't know how many of the users we interact with on the web are actually bots - in the near future, it could be the majority, both in text and image. We can't even escape, because everything's done online now.
>our thought processes are pretty easily reproducible
That's SPECIFICALLY what the tech doesn't do, anon: it imitates the outcome of the process, not the process.
Granted, it's proving that for many, many people there's no distinction that says a lot about society etc
The techbros' angle is that, by imitating the outcome and throwing in increasingly more data and more computing power, the whole thing could grow inwards from the superficial into actual genuine sentience (and that's why everybody should let them use everything ever for free). There's not really actual arguments or base to support that possibility of course, because the actual goal is to be convincing enough for enough people to fail to see the difference, effectively making it the real thing because you can't tell it isn't.
People will still make art. AI uses references from art uploaded to sites that allow said art to be taken and used by AI. Blame the sites you upload art onto for allowing your shit to be taken and used.
>muh soul
You are a feeble minded homosexual. I pursue truth and only truth above all else, no matter where it leads. Every bit of new knowledge gained is a blessing to be celebrated, not feared. You are a luddite.
Among the obligatory couple dozen blunt ironies present in any pro-slop rhetoric, the fact that ChatGPT could point out just how wrong you got what "Luddite" actually implies is probably my favorite lmao
>he's huffing and puffing
>he's implying and implying
>he celebrates victory without ever delivering on his promises
Hey, b***h. Instead of gloating about what you "could" do. Why don't you try putting up and actual argument instead?
>The Luddites were members of a 19th-century movement of English textile workers which opposed the use of certain types of cost-saving machinery, often by destroying the machines in clandestine raids. They protested against manufacturers who used machines in "a fraudulent and deceitful manner" to replace the skilled labour of workers and drive down wages by producing inferior goods
I dunno but from where I stand that describes the hysteria of the anti-AI crowd pretty well.
Way to prove your "search for truth" involves starting from the truth you want and then lodging your head up your ass for insulation lol
Can't say I blame you. The tech both in nature and appeal is all about working your way backwards, but without he work part of course.
Have he considered that maybe it's the programs he's using that got better and not him
Anon, in his new YT channel he makes it clear he's an intellectual powerhouse who's simply a better standard of AI-assisted artist, and not at all an entrenched delusional jackass quintupling down on his insecurities.
https://www.youtube.com/@SHAD_AI
>My wife yelled at me for giving her bigger boobs.
>Can I get a glass of tap water
>Sure it's 3 bucks
>But it's tap water
>You see the tap I'm getting it from is in another building on the third floor
>Isn't there a tap in the kitchen over there
>It's stuck and I'm not a plumber
>Gimme me bottled water then
>We don't get bottled water it's too expensive
This is how he draws, so that's not an option, kek.
SMBC and XKCD prove you don't need to be a good artist to have a popular webcomic. All that time he says he spends wrangling the AI into generating acceptable slop could be spent drawing comics like a caveman. Problem is his writing is terrible too.
>his writing is terrible too
Good writing also takes effort, which seems to be like Kryptonite to these AI enthusiasts
Something about AI art messes with me, like everything is almost there but not quite, these panels specifically set me off, I can't articulate it but they're just wrong in some way that makes me wanna look away from it.
For me the things I immediately notice are
>blurry "linework"
>design differences between panels
>the weird feeling of looking polished and perfect while also being sloppy and full of tiny mistakes
There's just a kind of aura of unauthenticity to it.
>the weird feeling of looking polished and perfect while also being sloppy and full of tiny mistakes
This is a great explanation of why AI images look so wrong. They show the technical skill of a master painter, while being riddled with the most basic mistakes. It's like the Goatman copying your friend or Spock assuming command in that one episode.
Look at the background buildings leaning away from them.
I think he's using AI to create some bases for motion when AI isn't good with motion at all. It's best used for still images. Unless he also doesn't know how to do motion.
maybe the co2 detector is broken in her house
>2-3 days per panel
Holy shit it would be much quicker and easier to just draw it.
Did word processors write everything for people? I don’t understand your comparison.
If you look at my webcomic I'm doing plenty of work incorporating what AI generates for me, including extrapolating chat GPT information in my brain. You just don't want to say anything about it because it breaks your narrative.
There is no meaningful mechanical difference between writing with a typewriter and a word processor, the only difference is the interface which again is virtually indistinguishable outside of certain tactile elements since keyboards are based on typewriters.
so what's your problem again
I'll do you one better
>art was always easily accessible Black person
No the frick it was not you stupid fricking Black person. Artists used to have to get patronized by rich c**ts to even begin to work with any actual tool. Literally only the past 3-4 decades have seen art become cheap and accessible enough that any homosexual with bad ideas can do it
>Literally only the past 3-4 decades have seen art become cheap and accessible enough
TPBP
Not really.
1. It's a highly specialized still that takes a lot of time to refine to a professional or even intermediate level. Given the multitude of things people can commit their time to, it can be hard to make drawing and painting a priority even if a person is interested in it. It's something you typically need to do almost every day for a decent amount of time to make good progress
2. Talent and innate ability impede a lot of peoples' ability to draw well, or to at least get to a competent level quickly
3. Yes there are a lot of free resources for learning now, but getting feedback and support from other artists is also important for improvement. For this though the community tends to gatekeep or form cliques which essentially exclude others or make it more difficult for certain people to get good regular feedback
I say this as someone that's been drawing for a long time and has reached an intermediate level. It's not as straightforward as 'just pick up a pencil'.
Thing is, the vast majority of AI shills I've seen aren't complaining that they don't have what it takes to git gud. Not out loud, anyways. They're basically throwing a shitfit about "not being able to draw at all", which instead of sounding like they're lamenting their lack of talent makes it look like they can't be assed to even pick up a pencil and scribble to get started. Which, unless you have extensive nerve damage keeping you from holding a pencil straight, sounds like the most lazy and pampered reaction ever to being told "just try".
Frankly, if ai shills admitted that they didn't WANT to get good at drawing the traditional way and just wanted a computer to shit out this shit en masse with far less effort and time investment on their part, people would actually like them far more for their honesty, since it's obvious to even a kid that the skills needed to force the AI to make art pieces are very different from traditional art and probably not that much easier once you get to the higher levels. But as long as they keep squealing about how they deserve just as many accolades as traditional artists while simultaneously gloating how they spend less time on putting in the effort and malding how they can't draw themselves, people are just going to keep telling them "Maybe you should pick up a fricking pencil and give it a try instead".
Then his vision sucked ass
You're not an interesting person.
Cringe. This is stolen slop put through a snotty blender.
>Y’all stay hating on personal expression
It's not personal expression though, it's a soulless algorithm that would have produced the exact same slop if someone else put in the prompt. And no, writing prompts is not a form of art any more than commissioning pictures fom a human is.
Also it plain looks like shit.
In a way, it IS personal expression (of a particular type of personality that doesn't really understand personal expression). For somebody who is accustomed to act by rationalizing convenience rather than by a set of guiding principles, there's functionally no difference to begin with.
His vision was shit anyway
weird cope for not having any talent but okay
Would you like a reddit gold with that postz sirs?
Judging by the screencap in OO, it's the seething about AI shit that's closer to Reddit behavior, not the other way around
Nick Simmons rips off Bleach and Cinemaphile hates it.
Greg Land keeps lightboxing and tracing cheap pornography for ALL his work, he still gets tons of works and even though Cinemaphile occasionally laughs at him, he barely has to think much less put effort in and he gets paid and is respected in the industry (more than Liefeld, by the way, despite what you think of his style it's and honest one that takes effort but people would rather praise Land's porno traces than accept that Liefeld is an important comic book artist with lasting influence.)
Now capesludge fanboys are praising "AI" --actually just plagiarizing internet scraping algorithms-- because they can only imagine a comic book in the house styles of DC, Marvel, or maybe Archie. You can draw amazing comics in ANY FRICKING STYLE AT ALL. But no, I can't draw buxom prostitutes in the same 1950s leotards capesludge started with, the only survivors of the self imposed CCA fiasco that gauranteed all future stories would suck so I was waiting to get an 'easy button' handed to me so I can continue the mindless tradition of adding more shitty capesludge to the mountain of trash no one really reads.
Greg land getting respect is a bit of a stretch. More like he gets work b/c its on time, I don't think I know a lot of people who get excited at the prospect of greg land drawing.
Not a single comic reader respects Greg Land. But dude keeps getting work because from what I know the fricker actually turns in his work on time, which seems to only be doable easier since he traces everything
And despite all that, you spend your time here on Cinemaphile seething about anons
>all this cope to admit you have no talent
kek
just because many people are too hyperbolic in their crying about AI shit doesn't mean you guys still aren't talentless hacks
Hey leave him alone he type in some words and spent hours presses a button over and over
Hmm…feels weird being sandwiched between two posts with a bunch of replies…lemme just….
He is a slice of ham between a two buns.
Ehhh…mm hmm
Yeah…I know
*cough* *sniff*
Black person
Pardon me
bump
>spent thousands of hours
>still couldn't get two panels with the same artstyle
>the font styles don't even match up
AI can make some funny shitposts but people thinking it can be used for bigger projects are an unreal level of delusional
I literally don't care what they've used to make it if the end product is good.
And yes, I know most of it isn't good. The same goes for regular webcomics though.
Based. We're winning AI Chads. They fear what they don't understand.
As opposed to blindly embracing what you still don't understand, the based conformist way.
>spend 10000 hours drawing and practicing
>art is mediocre
>even normies aren't impressed
>spend 10000 hours training AI generation
>art is impressive to the untrained eye
>impress normies enough to possibly make money
How are people surprised by this?
https://imgur.com/gallery/u71j64o
jesus christ this slop is soulless as frick. the character designs aren't even consistent from panel to panel. Hell even the "art style" from the AI isn't consistent from panel to panel
and the writing is fricking atrocious, I've seen better dialogue from third graders drawing a comic in their school notebook
It's not AI's fault that "the art-style keeps changing" it's because of the source material: you look at any major studio comics from the last 20 years quality has gone so far down the shitter it's like a different artist drew every panel kek.
>It's not AI's fault that "the art-style keeps changing" it's because of the source material
It is the AI's fault, because the AI isn't actually intelligent. it's just an algorithm that takes stolen works and attempts to make sense of them because it gets "taught" what certain things look like and tries its best to make things by mashing together a bunch of stolen things.
>you look at any major studio comics from the last 20 years quality has gone so far down the shitter it's like a different artist drew every panel kek.
major comics have an issue with art quality decline but I would not go as far as to say the panels look like completely different artists, you can still clearly see its the same artist just that they're either
a. not very talented
b. forced to rush out a project on a time crunch
AI slop literally changes designs from image to image. The interior of the ship, the characters, the background exterior.
When the happy, goofy cartoon monster suddenly morphs onto Cthulhu's head, you know you're in trouble.
the way the characters keep changing is hilarious
>realistic beetle
>realistic anthro fox and a more stylized beetle
>a different stylized beetle
>a more stylized fox and a realistic beetle with a cartoon body
>rocket raccoon and a different stylized beetle
>a cartoon fox punching the android robot mascot
>an octopus and a orange slug
>a chibi version of the last octopus and a sweaty orange man
>a tentacle monster and a slime monster
I dunno what crack you have to be smoking to just not see the bizarre discrepancy, not one panel looks like it matches.
yeah but batman isn't turning into manbat between panels m8 these characters are literally shifting into entire different designs from moment to moment.
>these characters are literally shifting into entire different designs from moment to moment.
That's what my characters do
1. You will shut up when I inundate your industry with emails, understand that this is the reason
2. You can use an AI generated image for anything you would use a photograph for
>the fricking swole snake and the skeleton warrior that just show up halfway through
I take everything I've said about AI back this is fricking high art.
The paneling is garbage
>the character designs aren't even consistent from panel to panel
This triggers me the most, biological to robotic like they are interchangeable
>the character designs aren't even consistent from panel to panel
Steven Universe was never consistent and it was a whole ass show
I like how the fox's shirt changes color from panel to panel.
God fricking christ why don't you stay on reddit if you love making collages of this shit so much.
>that response
there's no way this guy isn't taking the piss
They saw the meme and fell for it. Now they spout it unironically.
>all these mental gymnastics from people trying really really hard to say "n-no, AI is bad"
These are the same people who won't give the average webcomic the time of day simply because it doesn't reach their inflated standard of art and writing quality. The same people who denounce webcomics, or maybe even comics in general, as literal children's media. The same people that have been shitting on OC webcomics for many years. But now when they're AI generated they're suddenly a problem. They want to solve a problem that is way more of a problem in their own head due to years of self-gaslighting than it actually is.
This is such a non-argument. This thread shouldn't exist.
>you have an opinion? I bet you also hold another opinion that would make your first opinion seem silly
you really showed that group of people that doesn't exist whose morally superior, good job pal
This is like the 50th AI-baww thread I've seen this month alone. We don't need another that repeats the same plot beats and goes absolutely nowhere. It's complaining for the sake of complaining at this point.
Then we should stop having ai threads
>These are the same people who won't give the average webcomic the time of day simply because it doesn't reach their inflated standard of art and writing quality.
this is not true.
>guy ruins another thread by pretending people care about him or anything he makes
>he still can’t even speak English properly
from what I've seen of him i feel confident in saying john k would beat him to death with his bare hands within seconds of ever actually meeting him
this is only going to get better and probably by next year those inconsistencies between panels will be ironed out. the script is probably AI too. It's going to become 'make me a funny comic in the style of x' and hit the refresh button a dozen of times until something half decent comes out. The only thing people will be able to do is fanart or lewds of a new series because the training data wont exist or execs wont allow it. When it can actively train new data in real time then we are truly fricked.
>stop gatekeeping
>except artist can gstekeep ai shit
Hate AI. Hate homosexuals who cant handle a taste of their own medicine.
It's unironically good this technology is helping to instantly flag visually the output of people that may have the impulse to create (or the ambition to profit from it) but lack the follow through to actually get anything worthwhile out of that impulse, safely extrapolable from visuals to basically anything else. For audiences with standards this actually saves a lot of time invested in "the benefit of the doubt", and appropriately enough the human eye gets trained surprisingly fast to simply dismiss this stuff even from thumbnails.
That's a really nice point
They lash out and cry about AI without actually thinking about it. They've already been told AI is bad therefore it HAS to be bad and brain power doesn't actually kick in before the thought is finished. Thinking for yourself might lead to an opinion that goes against the group so it's automatically wrong.
There's no problem with using AI for art so long as you don't sell it. Companies on the other hand will start using AI as it advances
Fake and boring. Spend some effort if you want ma attention. Even stickman is fine
that shit is the new NFT. Look at it crumbles at the moment they want to introduce the concept of "interactions" in their story
Considering the "breakthrough" was simply the decision of liberally stealing the whole internet for their models and that could have been done 5 years ago, I wonder if the plan was already in place around the time of the NFT gold rush but (they) decided to hold the AI thing until they could see whether money could be made with NFTs first, as the "value" per unit would have been tremendously compromised by the ability to create literally infinite variations of an image almost instantly.
>Internet gives people using AI attention and exposure over the thousands doing it the "right way," buried and ignored by the algorithm and coomer majority.
And you wonder why they keep doing it.
That's how social media works, but there's the peril of a conceit in a broader context, and artist should remember that AI images devaluate AI images, not all images.
Though it's unfair, if you're an artist and your work gets lost among this slop, it's up to you to ask yourself why.
>Internet gives people using AI attention
On what site, Reddit? Outside of memes, you'll never see any AI art on the top page. Twitter? Only people who care about AI there are ex crypto scammers. Artstation, Deviantart, Pixv? Still dominanted by handraw art.
But artist spaces still reject AI shit as a whole while still propping up naturally made artwork. There's artwork ranging from full rendered pieces to simple sketches that still regularly get more attention and praise than computer generated slop.
>over the thousands doing it the "right way,"
Most people who do it "the right way" should never even post their shit, much less expect any positive attention for it. Most so called artists are completely untalented incompetents who do nothing but spam literal trash that should not be occupying any online space.
lmao go take a shower you trooling homosexual you just shat yourself so bad right there
>again nothing but insults and proclamations of imagined victory
I accept your admission of defeat.
>HEY FELLAS DID YOU HEAR THAT SOMEONE SOMEWHERE IS DOING A THING THAT YOU FIND ANNOYING? ARE YOU MAD? ARE YOU MAD YET? YOU SHOULD BE MAD ABOUT THIS THING YOU NEVER WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IF I DIDN'T TELL YOU ABOUT IT, BE MAD.
OP who fricking cares?
Are you actually trying to be make Cinemaphile be your personal army in 2023?
I like that ai stuff because it may present an interestin view into laissez faire enviroment. And to webcomic? Free market shall decide if he will be soccesfull
if AI is so inferior, why bother spending so much energy seething about it in the first place?
Cause you fricking pajeets can't keep this shit on Cinemaphile where it belongs
you don't get to decide that, do you?
Remember how rule 15 became a thing?
Thousands of hours of world building for orange slop becomes fly doctor?
HAHAHAH RAJEESHI
>directed and produced it
I had nooooooo idea there were so many people secretly seething about not being able to draw, just waiting to jump at the opportunity to rub their mediocrity in everyone's faces.
AI art is like, peak egalitarianism. It's affirmative action for the untalented.
Not really. Egalitarianism is accepting everybody can do a good job just the same if you provide each of them with the proper framework to work in: the difficulties involved are agnostic to the task itself. i.e. a paraplegic can work in an office building if it has ramps and an elevator, and making a policy of not hiring paraplegics in order to avoid the expenses of making the building accessible is unlawful.
AI art is the ramp for the artistically paraplegic.
Regardless I'm not seething at the existence of AI art, it's just a tool like any other. What I laugh at is the insistence of its users DEMANDING the same level of respect that actual artists receive. It's just pathetic on the face of it.
NTA But I agree. I wish more people would see Ai as a tool then as a next topic of Internet shitflinging. exept maybe porn you don't really go to porn artist for personality.
Also like my pic. If it makes browns ssethe then im all for it.
The tool steals stolen art. It can never be used as a tool for anything legitimate unless it has a button where you pay the original artists. It can never be a legitimate method unless it's an expensive one
The difference, of course, is that a paraplegic can't will himself off his ass.
Laziness isn't a disability except on the broadest, existential sense (certainly not in the legal one). Personally I'm glad shills stopped going for the angle about how AI is a wholesome boon to disabled artists as it that somehow validated it for everybody else; even in a generally sleazy and deluded rhetoric, that bit was specially shocking. Though it's amusing to think what would happen if it backfired and the tech suddenly got outlawed for everybody EXCEPT the disabled.
I wish the "just a tool" notion stopped creeping into even the critical side of the argument. It's part of all circular logic and semantics combo used in allmost all legitimation of this crap.
A tool channels a relevant skillset, it doesn't replace it. That skillset is separate from the arguable separate skillset of operating the tool.
A tool can be replaced for another equivalent tool producing consistent results, because the relevant skillset carries more logistical relevance than the tool itself.
And a tool is never waaaaaaaaaaay more tricky and costly to replace than the user is.
I agree with the sentiment though that the only real problem with the technology is somehow considering it a real legitimate alternative to the same endeavor, or considering the value of the output the same as creative work done by qualified professionals. That's just delusional at best, and a straight swindle at worst.
I feel like one could us it as a tool
like here
https://twitter.com/MartinNebelong/status/1723432424053317816
now have that use a seinfeld LoRA and paint fake screenshots of kramer slowly murdering the rest of the gang
And what are we going to do pave over all the national parks to make them wheelchair accessible?
I'm extremely disappointed in the twitter-right for kneeling to Silicon Valley technocracy and basically conceding traditional art to internet leftists just because they liberal arts classes are dominated by their political enemies. They cucked out instead of fighting to reclaim the world of art for themselves. I've even heard some idiot say that art is for the left. What nonsense. Was Michelangelo a lefty? Was Da Vinci? Was Dali? No, in fact I'd wager that 90% of artists in human history weren't sissies. AI art is for the sissies. It requires no skill, no dedication, no acts of will, no drive, no discipline, all the things the right should stand for. It's just weak and pathetic.
I'm also surprised that the left is proving to be more in tune with the human soul and trad values concerning art than the so-called right is, which seems to be extremely short-sighted and just out to "own the libs" without a second of critical self-reflection. Along with the left's recent anti-Zionism, they're on the right track in these two instances. Maybe for the first time.
I agree, it floors me to see "conservative" /misc/-tards throw themselves over AIslop and its puppeteers just to pwn the liberal artists or whatever.
Bruh
I tried fapping today and Google results for Invincible r34 is ai turn offs
The writing for the AI comics is always so bad holy shit.
Right, that's another piece of the puzzle as to why this whole thing is so embarrassing. People who appear to be creatively bankrupt by nature seem to think they can just make great stuff as long as they have a machine do the art for them, not understanding they're not writers either. In fact, they're not anything.
They should at least cuck out on writing too and just let ChatGPT make the story for them, no human credit needed.
>different typefaces every panel
>different colors every panel
lmao AI guys say that every month AI models make "leaps and bounds" in what the tech can do, but I have yet to see any of them able to have actual character, palette, and design consistency. that was something I heard people talk about at the beginning of the year in Stable Diffusion threads and yet no one seems to be able to do it.
>"learn to draw"
>"art is a natural talent"
Pick one and stick with it
This is an eastern mindset thing. They don't value the art process all they care about is constant updates and if the book is in color.
That's the only recipe for success in webtoons, 3d assets, tracing/photo references and AI are all fair game in that space.
*korean mindset
The most commercially viable use of AI yet is generating instructional drawing books and selling them to idiots off Amazon marketplace lmao
>draw_the_rest_of_the_fricking_owl.jpg
Who the frick buys books that are not from authors with literal decades of work in the industry?
aishit needs to be banned from this site
there has never been a good ai thread. ever.
>he missed it
lmao'ing at your life right now
this is shit
What happened to your childlike sense of wonder, anon?
It takes more than a bunch of low quality slop to impress me. It's not even good /misc/ shitposting, it's fricking boring.
>he says that despite never visiting any threads that aren't bait for homosexuals on Cinemaphile
>another frickin AI thread
Ai is content, I wouldn’t call it art though
Nah, you're not a teenager, you're clearly far too immature to be that. You should probably be playing roblox instead of being on Cinemaphile
You speak like you're putting this energy directly into a masturbation session in a few hours
Shut up samegay, I'm making it personal to people in your industry and so you're just lashing out at me for my emails, pretending like there isn't a direct connection there, but your fig leaf is blown away
If they want to reject me they can also stop using my inspiration embodied in things like Steven Universe, which people were so excited for in the first season but since I had languished in poverty, the potential of the show fell apart
Also any people going to say anything about my webcomic
I'm literally winning big right now so clearly you're not aligned properly with heaven, unlike some people I follow on social media
>thread stays alive despite there being nothing really new to talk about because people get baited into reply chains with a schizo contrarian who keeps bumping the thread and making it personal
Better this than that shitty ai general that's taken over every board and the jannies do nothing about
Webcomics were always bad.
Did the Dalle shit do this? Holy frick thats amazing
AI gays are only upset because they think artists are high on their own farts and think normies don't deserve to make art because they lack the skill. That's true AI art sucks a fat egg at making art and it's nothing but copying the art of actual artists that's why it sucks. Normies are garbage because they are capable of making art they're just lazy, they look at Jackson Pollocks works and banana stapled to wall and say, I could make that, and then they don't fricking do anything. They want to make very specific polished art like they saw growing up on Tumblr and they don't want to develop their own style or skills to get it.
Normie logic is like
>your art is too expensive so i'm going to upload your library of works into my machine and have it bash out what I want in your style
It's literally counterfeits
Y'all speak as if that is the only thing to do with it and nobody's innovating things that only AI can achieve.
Name five things, weirdo
I can't because I'm a huge ginormous homosexual and I know I'm full of shit sorry for wasting your time Cinemaphile
1. Shut up
2. That would spoil the magic of discovery
Confusing that my 3 letters are in the name field when that is what all of my opponents will say when I win (possibly in mere days)
Lol so you can't. At least
has more integrity, he's probably the real guy
Apparently you can't appreciate the process of real art. It's not as easy as just listing all the incredible things to be found. It takes peaceful contemplation which apparently is too much for you, hence seeking to attack my character for embracing a more advanced artistry than normies know
I'll start recognizing you as an artist the day you actually pick up a pencil and draw something, lol
I just drew a spider multiple times, also myself as a teenager, the incredible images AI makes for me May distract some from them though
Pics or it didn't happen
Pictures of spider
1. Stop impersonating me, my ways are good
2. You must put more effort into seeing it
If you drew that with an actual pen instead of using ai, then that's not terrible, man.
Stop impersonating me, I've seen the error of my ways