Since manga consistently dominates western comics, how come US publishers don't try to emulate the more successful competition in both style and format? Or hell, why not outright adapt manga IPs?
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Since manga consistently dominates western comics, how come US publishers don't try to emulate the more successful competition in both style and format? Or hell, why not outright adapt manga IPs?
>how come US publishers don't try to emulate the more successful competition in both style and format?
Because that probably wouldn't work based on previous results. There are enough indie comics/webcomics that do it though.
>Or hell, why not outright adapt manga IPs?
I have no idea how that would work. Is it hard to obtain those IPs?
>Because that probably wouldn't work based on previous results. There are enough indie comics/webcomics that do it though.
I mean if we're talking distribution, that is 100% always been a lie and we've seen this multiple times in multiple regions. The slavs do fricking fine comparatively, Eurotrash Disney shit distributes fine. And while they themselves have a shitload of other problems on account of being murdered slowly by smartphones magazines and national papers still manage to ship out regularly across all of the US.
Hell Manga is pretty easily available reliably enough throughout most major chain stores like Walmart. You have to actually get there on time but the big name flavor of the year and shounen slop is usually available with new volumes less than five feet away from the videogames and dvds where kids want to spend all their time anyway after a new delivery so if you're autistic about keeping up enough you can make a go of it.
Why won't it work for comics in the US when it works for comics everywhere else, works for manga literally everywhere, and is at least physically and logistically possible in the US for other dying mediums who are all still doing better than comics?
The reason it doesn't work is because the manga model requires anthology lines to work for it. You can't just sell tankobons without first prepping the readers for weekly or monthly installments of a manga series, and if it does well then you make it into the big buck book. That requires steady talent, competition, and a lot of infrastructure and time, which these executives don't realize they can easily create. They think print is dead because people got tired of Hunger Games without realizing that nobody reads because there's nothing to read. They're unwilling to market something there, and they're unwilling to die so I can take over some of their market space to do exactly that.
... Radiant comes out in yearly tomes (volumes) though. It's never been in an anthology.
Radiant comes from a culture that has a deep love for comics and their executives and managers get that. Ankama is a company from a post-Blizzard era, where American multimedia business has only gone backwards since Blizzard (not that breat milk bandits and SFM porn were working) despite our love for comics only growing. We need something that will poach Webtoons readers as well as massively stimulate supply and demand through aggressive marketing, maybe affiliate shill stuff, even. We're at the point where the Big 2 are losing money and market share to the asiatics through asiatic whatsapp. If the Indians figure out Archie the center will no longer be able to hold.
And it all comes down to this. Superheroes can be retooled for any audience, but you have to actually tool it for them. They refuse to expand supply and hire new artists and writers from all backgrounds (including Cinemaphile, this place is a huge hub of untapped talent) and take risks on new things, where their grandfathers got big in this business by being aggressive slop mills. Whoever breaks out of this suicide dive first is the only publisher to survive past the decade, and it doesn't look like either are willing to lift their arms.
>including Cinemaphile, this place is a huge hub of untapped talent
Why don't US artists try their luck with Ankama? I don't think they are closed to international artists.
they'd have to learn french
Language barrier, plus French jobs are super protectionist. Unless they can really get away with it, they're not going to hire anybody but some Francais and maybe a Walloon if they're feeling zesty. To be clear, that's also why Quantic Dream remains a thing despite Cage being an incompetent in every sense of the word.
The truth is that there is no room in America for the indie Big 2 killer to come through, as the current small publishers do the same thing they do, just with less guardrails and slightly more risks. They need a lot of money, and a vision, and somebody who gets that you can't kill print. In today's rising interest rate world and manufactured TikTok attention spans, I don't see anybody taking that risk. I'll gladly follow if they do, but if not I'll gladly watch another five years of stagnation.
>They think print is dead because people got tired of Hunger Games without realizing that nobody reads because there's nothing to read.
So once again, it all comes back to capeshit ruining everything.
Because at this point they're basically resigned to being a tiny R&D/IP farm for Warner Bros/Disney. None of their books are actually expected to have the sales they did decades ago, in fact if they actually seemed financially viable by themselves they'd get more eyes breathing down their back.
This is the root cause of everything else mentioned in the thread. Without the motivation of profit-loss, there's no need to innovate or improve the product.
Flash could sell 30,000 copies a month, and it wouldn't matter to Warner Brothers. They'd still keep publishing Flash regardless. And it's not like writers or artists are gonna get rich working for the Big Two, so that further depresses the effort of creators.
Because they have done both and they don't tend to do well
>Since manga consistently
This is a lie. A handful of manga outselling the western comic industry does not mean ALL of them do. And frick off with Adam Warren Cancer
Dude if any Manga got the numbers of the best Western comic it would instantly be ended for being shit.
The typical numbers of western books are beyond pathetic. How the frick does this industry still exist?
>we tried and failed
So try again?
I mean, Radiant exists. Pic related. It IS possible. What does Tony Valente have, that US artists don't?
>What does Tony Valente have, that US artists don't?
He is french.
Yes, and?
drive, passion, and actually studying various mangaka's styles whereas most western just ape them and call it a day.
They just draw in an anime style while still following traditional comic book principles of stiff action and show AND tell.
Too many comic artists don't know how to draw good action and are typically just shit storytellers in general.
>What does Tony Valente have, that US artists don't?
Living and publishing his works in a country that consume graphic novels and manga more than the US?
How does that help, that's just more competition.
>I don't know if we should sell coffee in Finland. They already drink so much, where's the profit to be made?
French zoomers probably consume more manga then any country outside of Japan. When the government gave them hundreds of euros for cultural spending most of it went to manga. Most of the French comics Cinemaphile talks about are mostly popular with boomers.
because weebs just want manga and it's cheaper to import it anyway.
People think the popularity of manga/anime will save western comics and animation- no it just meant they'll imort more.
and anime is suffering from diminishing returns as well.
>how come US publishers don't try to emulate the more successful competition in both style and format?
were you not here when the 2000s animesque fad hit?
I was, and I'm confused why they didn't keep that going.
Likely typical short-sighted corporate greed. Even Radiant took years to be recognized. American corporations think in quarterly terms, they don't have an actual business vision.
Looks like Gajeel from Fairy Tail.
Tony is a fan of Mashima and Mashima is a fan of Tony, but the character itself is actually Torque from Radiant.
The real true answer is you ain’t gotta do homework for that shit.Manga and Anime also have a symbiotic relationship.
If I wanna read one punch man. Pick up the manga page 1 and go and if that’s not your cup of tea watch the anime.
You wanna read about Superman or Spider-Man it’s essentially homework “where the frick do I start”.Then it’s not even a guarantee the comic is gonna be good there’s great runs but also some really shit ones.
Then there’s a ton selection not just exclusive to shonen you got romance,horror,comedy,boxing,cooking etc etc.
If you not interested in big 2 comics of guys in capes punching shit(with bad fight choreography) straight outta luck
>easily accessible
>genre variety
So the obvious, usual reasons.
The style of art and writing plays a part as well I’d say. If your average american comic creator tried to do a fight manga or girl’s romance it’d fall flat because people also like the style manga has.
So why not just emulate said styles? Girihiru is popular as frick, whereas the "house style" of the big two is widely disliked for being generic and boring.
There's too much inertia towards letting things rot right now, and so long as they remain under the yoke of the big studios they never will get the urge to innovate again. Which is fine by me, but they also take up too much space. The invalid is napping on the throne, not letting us brawl over it.
You'd need to find artists who can do it well. Guruhiru are Japanese artists themselves
Because it's cheaper to just translate books that are already made.
God I hate Warren's art
Because comics aren't worth much anymore. There's 3 legacy companies that own all of western comics and they all get distributed by one monopoly. Everyone trying to "break in" to the comic scene is an indie artist competing with an ocean of artists drawing for free or working for donation money. Westerners also prefer to do the influencing, they don't like taking notes themselves. Eastern Manga is actually getting woked right now, ask anyone on Cinemaphile, they're plenty of bitter about the direction it's going. Frankly, this world lacks competition in a whole lot of marketso, and nobody young and up and coming every has enough in life to start competing with these stale old boomer israelites that hate their staff and consumers.
Because no one cares about comics.
comics and manga are in their dark period. Still, I'd kill for a comic adaptation of Sailor Moon. Make it a bit pragmatic while staying true to its manga roots