When I see them post about striking I will message them about how they still do nothing about me spending five years as a teenager seeking to inspire their industry, but they chose to just exploit me.
That's right, assuming your idea of cartoons and comics is ones made since 2012, as is the attitude your industry has cultivated in your community.
Actually, maybe. The Hollywood fricks can suck it, but actual animators are more important IMO.
There aren't actual animators in Los Angeles besides a few of the old guard.
>free market will sort it out
So the plan is always to do nothing? Less even? Youve been sold on inaction as a solution so you can get exploited forever.
Plenty of people outside the industry try to improve the cartoons, but the industry fights against it.
Absolutely. I almost always support the unions especially when dealing with studios. The ones making the shows should benefit from the end results and be afforded livable wages.
Depends what you mean by "supporting". If you mean participating in the strike / giving them money, no. If you mean publicizing it on social media, also no. I might be able to spare a sympathetic thought or two if I remember that there's a strike going on but that's about it.
>no Calarts >no spumco >no fake anime >no UPA style
Sounds like everything would look stiff and sterile - >no stiff and sterile designs
What kind of fricking designs does that dude want then?
Obviously not, I don't trust unions. I only support big corporations, and I hope writers and animators will get replaced by AI so all the media we'll get will come straight from executives' minds with no middle men.
Awesome. I had a job lined up before the strike and that got put on an indefinite hold until it was over and it won't resume until next year, and now there's this bullshit. Don't this morons know that unlike writing, animation has been outsourced successfully to other countries willing to put up with shit pay? It's not like the entire industry will stop like with the writers and actors; executives will simply go with a Canadian or Australian studio.
Same here. The show I was working on got shut down because of the Writers Strike, and now this horseshit is just gonna keep me unemployed for another 6+ months. Fricking great.
I had a job lined up at a major studio that was erased by covid lockdowns and closures.
These fricks do not understand that there are probably 20 more people waiting in line behind them to take their jobs the second they are out. Almost every single job in animation has ten times more people with the skill and capability than there are jobs existing for them. A strike can be ended Reagan Airtraffic Controller style in an afternoon with zero hiccups.
yeah if everyone crosses the line then corps can keep undercutting until they're making less than minimum wage. It's all for the love of it though, no? Should be happy earning 20k a year.
>It's all for the love of it though, no? Should be happy earning 20k a year.
you have no idea how many times I have heard some butthole make this exact remark, and mean it. Except they constantly repeat how great it is that you are working your dream job, no one should ever have a single complaint working their dream job!
are these strikes going to actually change anything for the better or are we going to get the same slop as usual but the creative frickheads making it are paid a little bit more
yeah that Cinemaphile screencap is probably super indicative of the striker's plans, ignore the fact those sjw morons are already too deep in the industry and the ones striking in the fricking first place. I'm sure they'll just get up and leave once all their other demands are met
go frick yourself
Various Animation guild members were openly hostile to my industry's labor issues. They put their personal and party politics before worker solidarity.
Our union will vote on it, and I'll go with them.
It's likely an attempt to stop animation workers from becoming a sweatshop, or even worse, Korean.
>don't pay this group that will frick you, pay this group that won't do shit, but that a certain percentage out of your pay check long with the government.
>live in europe >you are forced to be in a union >work in a unionized company >get high wages >have 30 days paid vacation >have multiple other benefits
it's not the issue of unions your country failed to adopt that shit in the 1900s
Because in the US >Socialist
is a big bad scary word that instantly riles people up and makes them want to spill evil satan worshiping commie blood in an instant. Americans will gladly work in total shit conditions and vote their own individual rights away just so they can never ever be called an evil pinko socialist.
yes I know, and that's why you have these great >wake up in the morning and dance >you will go to the box and talk about your wellbeeing
are seen as good solutions and in the meantime you work 12hour shifts and get minimum wage.
thats great, now tells of all the great socialist states that have produce cartoon kino
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USSR
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but those are communists
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>Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
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...do you know a single goddamn thing about animation at all?
Canada cranks out 20 times more shit a year than the US and ships it across the globe.
France is the top tier producer of the highest quality stuff
South Korea, makes every fricking thing you have watched western or anime
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>France is the top tier producer of the highest quality stuff
Idk if you are joking or not but most French cartoons are bland toddler/children stuff that you will never get to see. In terms of the good stuff that they are importing, yeah they are above canada.
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Capitalism is why we are being flooded with reboots and sequels
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Capitalism is why the originals were made in the first place.
I want these big studios to create the most god-awful, AI generated mess as their attempt at making the next spongebob during the strike. It would be the funniest shit ever.
yes.
cost of living isn't going down so studios should see this coming. cities with high cost of living will either lose their workforce or studios will need to pay substantially more
The answer is to move the frick out of Burbank/Glendale. Drop an animation studio in Wisconsin and they can pay their storyboarders, background artists, layout artists, and color designers $45K a year.
I had a job lined up at a major studio that was erased by covid lockdowns and closures.
These fricks do not understand that there are probably 20 more people waiting in line behind them to take their jobs the second they are out. Almost every single job in animation has ten times more people with the skill and capability than there are jobs existing for them. A strike can be ended Reagan Airtraffic Controller style in an afternoon with zero hiccups.
Because of this. Everyone in the entire animation field is VERY easily replaceable because there are ten times more people ready and willing to do the work than there are available positions for them. So they gatekeep like fricking mad to ensure they stay in work. If they all quit, they can be replaced in a day. All the hard stuff is done overseas anyway.
No one will give a shit if they strike. And the individual animators cannot afford to strike anyway. They will run out of money within 1-2 months at best. and then lose any actual benefits they thought they had to return to work.
What terrible timing and a grave miscalculation of their relative importance within the broader media industry.
It'll still take years before generating animated frames without some kind of external guide framework is even close to adequate. What will actually happen is SEA outsourcing.
I absolutely support their strike. In fact, I want animators, writers, actors, directors, producers, stagehands, electricians, food workers, etc to stagger theirs strikes, so that the shutdown can go on even if a deal is struck between any one of them. An infinite, endlessly-looping daisy-chain of work stoppages. Do it malicious. The writers screwed all of you, so now you get to screw the writers back. Instead of not working for 6 months, they can not work for a full year.
Unions today are just another form of corporations
In many industries they are obligatory because you won't get work if you're not unionized.
Take the hollywood writers guild, you need to pay $3,000 to join, then they take a cut from all your work, and it's not as if they will pay your bills when they force you to go on strike.
It's just a racket, and of course the union is pushing for mandated writers on shows and movies, because that means they get more money.
I dunno, HR departments of the corporate non-unionized world are just as bad. Walking on egg shells after watching friends get laid off is awful. Getting laid off is awful. Getting forced to commute to work when your company moves but you can work from home doing same thing just as effective because your supervisor doesnt totally have your back is insane.
It’s not even worth it to discuss this. Most people are ignorant, and think that it’s still the 1900’s and unions are the only thing keeping kids from losing limbs while they work 80 hour weeks in the factories.
Don't know where you are but in the U.S. we're slowly sliding back to that with constantly lowering the age a kid can work and extending their hours.
Unions work. Thing is they take work to keep from going corrupt other wise you get dumb fricks in charge who make outragous demands and hog up the resources.
>Take the hollywood writers guild, you need to pay $3,000 to join, then they take a cut from all your work, and it's not as if they will pay your bills when they force you to go on strike.
THE FRICK
How is that even an union? Those guys are abusive lawyers not an union.
Because they convinced all the people that join that they should bully anyone that doesn't join and in return they will talk to their bosses for them sometimes when they (the union) needs more money.
Hell yeah. They already finished most of the shows I’m interested in and the other ongoing series I like is done in Australia, not US. So delay everything else as long as the people are treated fairly. Fricking storyboard artists do most of the work in any new show.
How do artists rationalize going to art school and setting yourself up with six figure debt with a degree that is notorious for not paying well, unless your dad is rich
See what I don't understand is why we aren't using AI for tweening because that makes the most fricking sense.
people are yet ready to accept that AI is a tool not a replacement. It will make the job easier meaning less people will be needed overall, but it won't replace animators wholly at least not in the foreseeable future
This is probably why they are pissed off and shouting about strikes. They want that union stipend to help pay bills because they have not worked at all this year.
But seriously, the for-profit colleges pumped out every cartoon and video game addicted kid into the animation field with a 'degree'. It was blatant scam and now the industry is flooded. I highly doubt a strike would work because of all the desperate people that are still around 'in the field' . Thats why wages are low for it anyway, because its common.
Thank the republicans for not clamping down on for-profit colleges.
I'm just glad that The Art Institutes chain will be finally dead once and for all on Sept 30th and my loans were cancelled from those scamsters.
But there are thousands of unemployed or under employed animators that would jump at the chance a striker would be giving up. Who knows maybe thats the reset that animation needs.
From 2002 to even now there have been hundreds of for-profit collegs defrauding students offering animation, game design, and the like type of degrees, just pumping them out... and these people were pushed into an already crowded field and ended up having to work at retail outlets like Kinko's and stuff.
Full Sail, Devry, ITT (dead), UoP, you name it they did it. These students dont just vanish. Their creativity is still in this world waiting to pop. If those that have a position in the field already want to squander it, it will be taken.
Art institutes werent a scam bucky, you just suck at art.
I graduated from there and have been working in design for most of my life. The problem most of you morons have is that you think you are too good for the pay, or you just arent good enough to actually work. Notice I didnt say talented. There are a lot of talented people that arent working. But the people that are good are working, because they know how to balance it all out.
The art institutes before Buck McKinnon took over were not a scam. Once he took over and turned them into a debt factory designed to get 90% government money and the other 10% from (Bad private loans and then veterans...) is 100% a scam.
They literally told perspective students anything to get them in the door.
Hell, they promised me I would work for Pixar when I just wanted to work for a local gaming company. They lied about their connections or even demo reels.
>Thank the republicans for not clamping down on for-profit colleges.
Why the frick would they? Those scam factories only screw over entitled liberal fricks and force them into the actual workforce to pay off the $100K+ loans, in the process making what would be another libtard shit peddling LGBTQQ shit to kids and instead have to be functioning, contributing members of society instead by remaining in Target and Starbucks.
Because they were being funded by government money with no accountability. Billions of government dollars wasted. These schools were offering poor kids a false dream because the field was flooded and there were no jobs. They were luring people in with promises of animation jobs and dumping them at Home Depot.
Congress's job is oversight of government money. Instead they took the bribes in the form of campaign donations and campaign events
Imagine these schools drawing 90% of their funding from the poor and the other 10% from veteran GI BILL. 100% government funded. Then they would tout any and all success they could pretend to take credit for.
But you still got these students lingering around the system wishing for jobs. Good luck at any strike, you're gonna get these students jobs.
The kind of moronation it takes to decide against having unions is insane to me. A company has everything to gain by treating you like shit and paying you nothing. Why would you ever put your trust in them for your wellbeing over other workers who want the same things as you do?
>A company has everything to gain by treating you like shit and paying you nothing
In a healthy market, a company has nothing to gain from treating you like shit, because other companies are competing for employees too. Employees are a resource. If there's not enough talent to go around, prices go up.
Somewhere along the line, someone thought it was a good idea to organize actors and writers into guilds. Those guilds thought it was a good idea to force the same contracts on every studio. Because all the studios are dealing with the same terms, someone thought it was a good idea to organize studios into an association, so both sides can collectively bargain. It's collusion by a different name, and the net effect is that studios aren't competing for employees anymore.
This is a hell of your own making.
Well the 08 recession fricked over inflation in a huge way, then covid lockdowns did it way more.
If neither of those two events happened a $60K a year job would be great money. But now we have to deal with $6 a gallon gas and $8 bad of fricking doritos. So anyone making less than $85K is struggling to live a lower middle class existence.
Companies are never competing for employees, the economy is structured to keep unemployment artificially high specifically for that. The hope is that it'll stave off inflation but as far the meantime, it means companies have nothing to lose by treating you like shit.
If treating you like shit generates profit, which it does in a lot of ways, then it'll always be a viable strategy. Competition is a myth without any kind of regulations involved since these in practice always trend towards monopolies and cartels. If nobody's actively fighting for good conditions then it just won't happen, since it has a cost and they'll always be a greater incentive to cut it than what they could gain otherwise.
>Companies are never competing for employees
Bullshit. Supermarkets in my area have nearly doubled their entry level pay during the "great resignation". No one wanted to work, the working pool shrank, prices went up. >the economy is structured to keep unemployment artificially high specifically for that
That's only so because of artificial policies that increase the work pool. For example, increasing immigration. >If treating you like shit generates profit
That's absolutely true, but the key word here is "if." If a company treats workers like shit, and workers can find work elsewhere, soon that company will find itself stuck with only shitty workers or no workers at all, and they'd fail.
I'm not here to say companies are nice. I'm saying that telling them they need to be nice doesn't work in the long run. And that's mostly the arguments you are making. You can't speak about morality to companies, it's a language they do not understand. You can only incentivize them to do so, and the best incentive is to have a competitive market at every level. That doesn't happen when all the employees are organized, and all the studios are organized.
Not necessarily, that happens independently of unions. It happened in stores that were unionized, it happened in stores that weren't unionized.
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I think you misunderstood. If collective action works, independent of unions. Then that's still saying collective action works, which is the main thing unions are trying to offer. They are offering the thing that made the wages go up.
I think you should look into the effect that unionization has on non unionized wages. It always goes up to compete with the unions.
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Well flip side is that if collective action happens independently of unions, why do you need unions? Market forces suffice.
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It doesn't have to be an official union, I can still get behind it. I agree with you here. But you can't give the credit to market forces here and say it's not a natural free market force that unions exist in response to it.
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>But you can't give the credit to market forces here
I can, because it wasn't the result of a strike or union negotiations. The supermarkets were losing employees, so they upped their wages. This happened at places with unions who didn't strike, and this happened at places without unions. Even Dollar Tree was offering better wages.
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you can give credit to that as a market response to shitty wages. But why wouldn't unions organizing also be considered a natural response to low wages?
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>But why wouldn't unions organizing also be considered a natural response to low wages?
I didn't say they weren't. But I can certainly make a value judgment on whether they are a net positive or actually effective towards their goal. So can the market. In fact, I would defer to the market. And the reality is, union membership has all but collapsed in the last 30 years.
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I also wish to add, this is probably going places I didn't intend, because I'm not flat out against unions or companies. I was pointing out, in the specific case of Hollywood, everyone's missing the real problem. All the actors and writers, who are all technically independent work for hire contractors who should be competing with each other, are in an organization. All the studios who should be competing with each other for talent, are in an organization. All of these parties who should be competing against each other are colluding.
I reiterate, this is a hell of their own making.
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if they were competing with each other, their wages would be even lower, since that's the best way to sell your product, which is that you can get the work done at the cheapest.
>But why wouldn't unions organizing also be considered a natural response to low wages?
I didn't say they weren't. But I can certainly make a value judgment on whether they are a net positive or actually effective towards their goal. So can the market. In fact, I would defer to the market. And the reality is, union membership has all but collapsed in the last 30 years.
>union membership collapsed
I think illegal union busting has done a lot to that end.
Markets aren't impartial. Even despite what everyone wants you to believe. They're always structured to incentive something. Even the freest markets have rules to play by and people writing them. I recognize this fact and would rather the economy be used to help more average Americans than the people it's been bent backwards to support currently.
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>if they were competing with each other, their wages would be even lower
Yes, and that's not a bad thing, at least from a consumer standpoint. Do you want your contractors to collude so that no matter whom you hire, you pay the same price for a new fence or roof? >They're always structured to incentive something.
Of course they are. The question is, are they incentivized ultimately to the benefit of the end consumer? This is what you're doing here on Cinemaphile. You're largely talking to consumers. We want the best stuff for the lowest price. This is why you should be worried, and the studios too. Consumers these days are saying "I get more value from video games than tv shows" or "I get more value from manga than comics." This is something you all face at the end. So the idea that wages must always go up is foolish. The idea that wages need to be tied to inflation is foolish.
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>Yes, and that's not a bad thing, at least from a consumer standpoint.
It doesn't affect the consumer at all. The price of a movie ticket doesn't depend on the budget of the movie.
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The price of a movie ticket has skyrocketed and outpaced inflation. If has everything to do with *cost.* Budgets are a large factor, though not the only factor, in cost.
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It's still not related to the wages of the employees.
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Now you're talking nonsense. Minimum wage drives prices up. Have you been to a theater lately? Have you seen how understaffed they are because of this?
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>Minimum wage drives prices up
Many things drive prices up, but the wages that an employee makes is not the key factor.
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>Spend more taxes for bearcats to enact minimum wage >Employees get numerically more money >Companies charge more money for goods >Cost of living goes up, of setting wage increase >Government steps in to hand out welfare and grants >Taxes increase >Companies see the government handing out free money and charge more money >Cost of living increases >The government starts printing money to hand out where it sees fit >Inflation
Every... time...
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You're moronic if you think the option to pay people less will contribute to the american's wellbeing and won't just be abused as another avenue for profiteering. But I'm sure I'm wrong and it'll trickle down like the tax cuts did.
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You know what drives inflation right?
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Sure, but we need to make sure which type of inflation we're talking about. Monetary inflation, or consumer price inflation?
Movie going has outpaced USD inflation. Because costs to operate have risen, cost of film rental has risen, because production has risen, while business has fallen.
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A movie ticket is equal to, if not sometimes higher than the price of a Bluray/DVD. It makes people decide to skip the fricking theater and just wait a few months. Streaming made this even worse, $7.99 a month, just wait three or so months and watch it on Disney+ or something.
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Better for the consumer is only one way of being better. I'd rather get paid a living wage, and if that raises consumption costs by some amount, I still think it's a fine trade. We've seen the stats on it, the cost doesn't have to offset that much for higher wages on most consumer goods.
Pros: Hollywood cartoon slop gets grinded to a halt for an indefinite period of time and the communists who make this stuff will be out of work.
Cons: On the off chance that there are any good animated shows or movies in development, they will also be halted and when the strike is over the industry will be even worse than it is now, but only marginally.
They want derivatives. Since writers and actors only made money from the TV airing. The writers for some of the most popular shows got paid crap since the shows only got popular later on streaming, which they had no cut of the profit from. So even hit shows like breaking bad have the people walking away paid as if they only made an average tv show.
They haven't exactly produced anything of worth the lest 10 years, and I have plenty of good stuff to enjoy from before that, so I couldn't really give 2 shits what they do, since it won't affect me.
The real question is who the frick is supporting them now? Are they all just that wealthy for their safe and easy Hollywood jobs where they can just stop working without the support of others?
>singers frequently use computers to create an artificial backup band/tracks for themselves instead of using or collaborating with real instrumentalists >nobody bats an eye >studios want to use AI in movie making, replacing real writers and actors >everyone goes ape shit
Why
People used to care about the first point too, you know. It just turns out that the real thing still is desirable.
Going to a virtual Tupac concert will never conpare to having gone to the real thing. But AI is new and has more generalized utility, and the industry is already on its knees as it is, so it's the latest panic.
Sorry breh we can only afford the Philippines, Vietnam, and Korea. But we're working hard on getting Kenya up and running. Gotta keep lowering the bottom line to find all our blow, you know
>But we're working hard on getting Kenya up and running.
Jesus Christ, animation being done by Black folk who don't even own a computer and eat cow dung will be an absolute nightmare for the animation world.
>Shinjiro Koizumi who is most likely going to replace Fumio Kishida is making sure Japan will never be a dumping ground for gaijin and will make Japan "Japan First, strictly" and "Make Japan Great Again". >France is only used because of their black and middle eastern immigration problem and France is starting to flush these people out because of that attack of that one politician and her granddaughter.
That means no more studios like Illumination and Studio Redfrog and that France WILL be as white as snow. >C11 is going to make using Canada not possible.
man it'd be nice if Canada could get more opportunities to make kino
Bob Jaques now lives in the States.
Sorry breh we can only afford the Philippines, Vietnam, and Korea. But we're working hard on getting Kenya up and running. Gotta keep lowering the bottom line to find all our blow, you know
Those countries are set on getting black listed in the animation industry (they caused too much damage), also South Korea is getting too expensive to use.
>No 3D animation
In what universe would you remove an entire medium from animation and think thats a good thing?
A wonderful universe, thats what.
They just want their Scooby-Doo and Ren and Stimpy back. They want to be 8 years old eating sugary cereal watching Saturday morning cartoons again.
No! We want the days of Red Hot Riding Hood and Falling Hare back.
will this result in better animation because anime is kicking there ass out side of movies. the scott pillgrim show should've been something the west made but they rarely have anything at that level when they do no ones knows it'll be good or not like unicorn warriors, it looks good but seems like a waster of effort so far.
>free market will sort it out
So the plan is always to do nothing? Less even? Youve been sold on inaction as a solution so you can get exploited forever.
TAG includes feature animation, right? They better thank god if so because the only way they could ever get a new deal is if they threaten Iger with the delay of Frozen 3 and Toy Story 5 and their associated merch
Somehow not being pro corporations is being a communist. Also years of stupid hippies and liberal fricks trying to turn corporation into a scary spooky word caused loads of people to go 100% opposite of their world view just because they hate them and do not want to see themselves agreeing with them.
Decades of liberal college professor and rain forest protest types screeching about the evil corporations so fricking much caused people to turn round and be all pro corpos in every way to never ever be compared to the liberal college professor types. They now think that being anti corporation is to be an avocado California liberal douche, and they don't want any of that.
Yes, but only out of self-interest. I hate these people and don't care what happens to them on an individual level, but I want good cartoons. Merging writer and storyboard positions into one and forcing revisionists to do the job of layout artists has lowered the overall art quality. Hire more people and spread the work load.
I was strongly pro union until the union I was in threw us under the bus in negotiations. Now I'm pretty fricking disillusioned, but hey if they can get something done good for them.
Massive inflation event in mid 2021, and again in early 2023 caused prices of all standard goods, starting with almost all groceries to fly the frick up until people making less than 75K a year are now barely functioning as low middle class. People cannot afford things any longer, and they are demanding higher pay to compensate everywhere.
Reforming our energy policy around climate change would take years of research, but you voted in money-grubbing israelites who just wanted to sell stupid shit and make money. And now we're here, learning the consequences the hard way.
No you fricking moron, oil was reduced to help combat spooky scary phantom imaginary climate changing. Liberals are afraid of summer and fricked over our economy because it's warm outside in July.
Yeah, that happens when libshits install Biden over the actual elected president and he gets to work shutting down refineries and cuts off oil imports. all of a sudden Gas is fricking expensive and every single thing transported by truck goes way up.
Indie animation is the future. We just have to hope that they don't fall into the trap of giving up everything to be in the Hollywood system like the New Grounds guys eventually did.
>Will you be supporting your brethren in the Animation Guild when they go on strike next year?
I'm not an animator so I dunno how in the frick they're my brethren, but how exactly am I supposed to "support" them, by tweeting obnoxious bullshit 24/7? Nah, I'll pass, best of luck with your negotiations that have nothing to do with me.
I mean, he wants to bring the manufacturing base back regardless of what impact it has on the climate. And it could have an impact on the Arctic possibly. It also means less naval traffic for whales, and I worry about the whales.
There is a time at night where the whales approach me and tell me of their woes, anon. The ships and the sonar. And my heart aches for them.
respect for western animation is at a minimum, unfortunately
Of course not. The only thing Cinemaphile hates more than comics and cartoons is the people that make them.
When I see them post about striking I will message them about how they still do nothing about me spending five years as a teenager seeking to inspire their industry, but they chose to just exploit me.
That's right, assuming your idea of cartoons and comics is ones made since 2012, as is the attitude your industry has cultivated in your community.
There aren't actual animators in Los Angeles besides a few of the old guard.
Plenty of people outside the industry try to improve the cartoons, but the industry fights against it.
>brethren
Not an animator but yeah, I guess, they're odd fellows, but they sure steam a good cartoon
>but they sure steam a good cartoon
Lol? Where?
Absolutely. I almost always support the unions especially when dealing with studios. The ones making the shows should benefit from the end results and be afforded livable wages.
*Fran Drescher has deposited two cents into your account*
Not how it works, anon.
Yeah, he gets one more penny too.
I just want better cartoons.
Depends what you mean by "supporting". If you mean participating in the strike / giving them money, no. If you mean publicizing it on social media, also no. I might be able to spare a sympathetic thought or two if I remember that there's a strike going on but that's about it.
didn't they went on strike already?
i remember there being a big deal about them striking last year or during covid or something like that
There was no strike. It was merely a social media campaign to drum up support ahead of union negotiations.
May we remind you that this failed.
Why are you posting famicon shit?
That was from that that event, plus it was in good intent.
Learn some grammar, famicom
What's wrong with UPA or Spumco designs?
Overdone.
Who the frick unbanned Famicom
>no Calarts
>no spumco
>no fake anime
>no UPA style
Sounds like everything would look stiff and sterile -
>no stiff and sterile designs
What kind of fricking designs does that dude want then?
>NO MORE TWEENING lol this person is dreaming.
I laughed hard.
Wow this persons list is impossible.
See what I don't understand is why we aren't using AI for tweening because that makes the most fricking sense.
Because if you watch an AI tween they dither all over the place and look awful.
No, it's down to Earth.
Its in space, theres no way theyre going to get ANYTHING from the list let alone one thing
They will.
>No 3D animation
In what universe would you remove an entire medium from animation and think thats a good thing?
They just want their Scooby-Doo and Ren and Stimpy back. They want to be 8 years old eating sugary cereal watching Saturday morning cartoons again.
Is stuff still getting delayed outside of Napoleon and I think Wish I think this Q4 this year and Q1 next are totally empty
Rest in Piss Warner Bums (and the rest of Hellywood with you).
Actually, maybe. The hollywood fricks can suck it, but actual animators are more important IMO.
Yes, in Japan.
no i wont. it's no skin off my nose if a machine or a person creates the art, I just consume it. go frick yourselves israelites.
Obviously not, I don't trust unions. I only support big corporations, and I hope writers and animators will get replaced by AI so all the media we'll get will come straight from executives' minds with no middle men.
Trust me, no you don't.
Awesome. I had a job lined up before the strike and that got put on an indefinite hold until it was over and it won't resume until next year, and now there's this bullshit. Don't this morons know that unlike writing, animation has been outsourced successfully to other countries willing to put up with shit pay? It's not like the entire industry will stop like with the writers and actors; executives will simply go with a Canadian or Australian studio.
Same here. The show I was working on got shut down because of the Writers Strike, and now this horseshit is just gonna keep me unemployed for another 6+ months. Fricking great.
If you used to work on shows, why did you let my favorite cartoon suck?
I just drew the shit, man. Blame the writers I guess.
I had a job lined up at a major studio that was erased by covid lockdowns and closures.
These fricks do not understand that there are probably 20 more people waiting in line behind them to take their jobs the second they are out. Almost every single job in animation has ten times more people with the skill and capability than there are jobs existing for them. A strike can be ended Reagan Airtraffic Controller style in an afternoon with zero hiccups.
Good thing the union controls every single production and blacklists anyone who crosses the picket line! They totally support workers, though!
yeah if everyone crosses the line then corps can keep undercutting until they're making less than minimum wage. It's all for the love of it though, no? Should be happy earning 20k a year.
>It's all for the love of it though, no? Should be happy earning 20k a year.
you have no idea how many times I have heard some butthole make this exact remark, and mean it. Except they constantly repeat how great it is that you are working your dream job, no one should ever have a single complaint working their dream job!
>yeah if everyone crosses the line then corps can keep undercutting
only as much as supply and demand allows, try being worth more
Animators union doesn't control shit. It's mostly a healthcare plan.
Lmao no, but I will be cheering on for both sides to BURN
are these strikes going to actually change anything for the better or are we going to get the same slop as usual but the creative frickheads making it are paid a little bit more
The gold is to made this
a reality.
yeah that Cinemaphile screencap is probably super indicative of the striker's plans, ignore the fact those sjw morons are already too deep in the industry and the ones striking in the fricking first place. I'm sure they'll just get up and leave once all their other demands are met
go frick yourself
Thats likely why New Deal For Animation failed, too many ploblems from the inside.
But it didn't fail
https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/animation-guild-contract-ratified-iatse-839-218553.html
Unrelated, that was another thing.
If it was a success everything
's picture said would have come true.
Various Animation guild members were openly hostile to my industry's labor issues. They put their personal and party politics before worker solidarity.
Our union will vote on it, and I'll go with them.
It's likely an attempt to stop animation workers from becoming a sweatshop, or even worse, Korean.
>brethren
Frick no
The future is indie
No more studios
No more unions
Burn it all down
>No more unions
spoken like a true american
>don't pay this group that will frick you, pay this group that won't do shit, but that a certain percentage out of your pay check long with the government.
>live in europe
>you are forced to be in a union
>work in a unionized company
>get high wages
>have 30 days paid vacation
>have multiple other benefits
it's not the issue of unions your country failed to adopt that shit in the 1900s
Because in the US
>Socialist
is a big bad scary word that instantly riles people up and makes them want to spill evil satan worshiping commie blood in an instant. Americans will gladly work in total shit conditions and vote their own individual rights away just so they can never ever be called an evil pinko socialist.
yes I know, and that's why you have these great
>wake up in the morning and dance
>you will go to the box and talk about your wellbeeing
are seen as good solutions and in the meantime you work 12hour shifts and get minimum wage.
US is already ruled by corpos.
thats great, now tells of all the great socialist states that have produce cartoon kino
USSR
but those are communists
>Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
...do you know a single goddamn thing about animation at all?
Canada cranks out 20 times more shit a year than the US and ships it across the globe.
France is the top tier producer of the highest quality stuff
South Korea, makes every fricking thing you have watched western or anime
>France is the top tier producer of the highest quality stuff
Idk if you are joking or not but most French cartoons are bland toddler/children stuff that you will never get to see. In terms of the good stuff that they are importing, yeah they are above canada.
Capitalism is why we are being flooded with reboots and sequels
Capitalism is why the originals were made in the first place.
Ummm
isn't your industry comparably miniscule, even adjusted for population or gdp?
Whining on twitter is not support
Whining about strikes on Cinemaphile is also entirely futile screeching and won’t make you feel better
I don't watch modern cartoons. Sorry.
I completely forgot the strikes were even happening lmao.
Yes
And then I hope they never have a resolution so all animation moves to somewhere outside California and the entire current industry is blacklisted
Yea, it's called Tokyo.
I want these big studios to create the most god-awful, AI generated mess as their attempt at making the next spongebob during the strike. It would be the funniest shit ever.
why are these homies in such a rush to not work
Western animation is already dead, there's really nothing to strike about
Also AI will kill off any animation jobs outside of key frame animator in a couple of years, and soon that job will disappear as well.
yes.
cost of living isn't going down so studios should see this coming. cities with high cost of living will either lose their workforce or studios will need to pay substantially more
The answer is to move the frick out of Burbank/Glendale. Drop an animation studio in Wisconsin and they can pay their storyboarders, background artists, layout artists, and color designers $45K a year.
I keep wishing for the day
That solution lasts for all of ~2 years. See Texas, CO, and GA for how long that low living lasts before the job location boomed in prices.
Spider-Verse 3 never ever
They'll just AI the whole thing
> I stand with the wga
I do stand with my wigga
lol no, I hope AI replace those homosexuals really soon
I think this might be my chance to make it into the industry.
Very likely yes.
Because of this. Everyone in the entire animation field is VERY easily replaceable because there are ten times more people ready and willing to do the work than there are available positions for them. So they gatekeep like fricking mad to ensure they stay in work. If they all quit, they can be replaced in a day. All the hard stuff is done overseas anyway.
No one will give a shit if they strike. And the individual animators cannot afford to strike anyway. They will run out of money within 1-2 months at best. and then lose any actual benefits they thought they had to return to work.
Won't refusing to work only push the development of AI further?
Yes.
What terrible timing and a grave miscalculation of their relative importance within the broader media industry.
It'll still take years before generating animated frames without some kind of external guide framework is even close to adequate. What will actually happen is SEA outsourcing.
I absolutely support their strike. In fact, I want animators, writers, actors, directors, producers, stagehands, electricians, food workers, etc to stagger theirs strikes, so that the shutdown can go on even if a deal is struck between any one of them. An infinite, endlessly-looping daisy-chain of work stoppages. Do it malicious. The writers screwed all of you, so now you get to screw the writers back. Instead of not working for 6 months, they can not work for a full year.
To be anti-union is to be pro-corporation.
Unions today are just another form of corporations
In many industries they are obligatory because you won't get work if you're not unionized.
Take the hollywood writers guild, you need to pay $3,000 to join, then they take a cut from all your work, and it's not as if they will pay your bills when they force you to go on strike.
It's just a racket, and of course the union is pushing for mandated writers on shows and movies, because that means they get more money.
Right to work is a sham.
I dunno, HR departments of the corporate non-unionized world are just as bad. Walking on egg shells after watching friends get laid off is awful. Getting laid off is awful. Getting forced to commute to work when your company moves but you can work from home doing same thing just as effective because your supervisor doesnt totally have your back is insane.
I'm not anti-union. I've just seen both sides
It’s not even worth it to discuss this. Most people are ignorant, and think that it’s still the 1900’s and unions are the only thing keeping kids from losing limbs while they work 80 hour weeks in the factories.
Don't know where you are but in the U.S. we're slowly sliding back to that with constantly lowering the age a kid can work and extending their hours.
Unions work. Thing is they take work to keep from going corrupt other wise you get dumb fricks in charge who make outragous demands and hog up the resources.
>Take the hollywood writers guild, you need to pay $3,000 to join, then they take a cut from all your work, and it's not as if they will pay your bills when they force you to go on strike.
THE FRICK
How is that even an union? Those guys are abusive lawyers not an union.
I'm sure the guild gets a good cut of the new contract.
Because they convinced all the people that join that they should bully anyone that doesn't join and in return they will talk to their bosses for them sometimes when they (the union) needs more money.
This was never sustainable in this form
Yup but sadly all the "talent" would rather be pimped out then ever have to negotiate their own contracts.
>$3,000
It's $2,500, but you're right.
Hell yeah. They already finished most of the shows I’m interested in and the other ongoing series I like is done in Australia, not US. So delay everything else as long as the people are treated fairly. Fricking storyboard artists do most of the work in any new show.
Meanwhile there are starving artists and animators looking for jobs that the for-profit college industry pushed out in droves, good luck, lol.
Yeah my shitty portfolio's going to look pretty good next year.
How do artists rationalize going to art school and setting yourself up with six figure debt with a degree that is notorious for not paying well, unless your dad is rich
I was an alcoholic and they were aggressively advertising. Army paid for most of it to be honest so it was you really paying for it.
well at least that makes sense
people are yet ready to accept that AI is a tool not a replacement. It will make the job easier meaning less people will be needed overall, but it won't replace animators wholly at least not in the foreseeable future
>Name is begging for a job
>WE ARE GONNA STIKE WHEN WE CAN, SUPPORT US
You need to be working in a union to strike, bro.
This is probably why they are pissed off and shouting about strikes. They want that union stipend to help pay bills because they have not worked at all this year.
Are they also going to be striking for things like royalties on the back end of streaming, because if they do I don't think the studios will budge
But seriously, the for-profit colleges pumped out every cartoon and video game addicted kid into the animation field with a 'degree'. It was blatant scam and now the industry is flooded. I highly doubt a strike would work because of all the desperate people that are still around 'in the field' . Thats why wages are low for it anyway, because its common.
Thank the republicans for not clamping down on for-profit colleges.
I'm just glad that The Art Institutes chain will be finally dead once and for all on Sept 30th and my loans were cancelled from those scamsters.
But there are thousands of unemployed or under employed animators that would jump at the chance a striker would be giving up. Who knows maybe thats the reset that animation needs.
Are there really as many unemployed animators out their to replace strikers?
From 2002 to even now there have been hundreds of for-profit collegs defrauding students offering animation, game design, and the like type of degrees, just pumping them out... and these people were pushed into an already crowded field and ended up having to work at retail outlets like Kinko's and stuff.
Full Sail, Devry, ITT (dead), UoP, you name it they did it. These students dont just vanish. Their creativity is still in this world waiting to pop. If those that have a position in the field already want to squander it, it will be taken.
Art institutes werent a scam bucky, you just suck at art.
I graduated from there and have been working in design for most of my life. The problem most of you morons have is that you think you are too good for the pay, or you just arent good enough to actually work. Notice I didnt say talented. There are a lot of talented people that arent working. But the people that are good are working, because they know how to balance it all out.
Gitgud gay
The art institutes before Buck McKinnon took over were not a scam. Once he took over and turned them into a debt factory designed to get 90% government money and the other 10% from (Bad private loans and then veterans...) is 100% a scam.
They literally told perspective students anything to get them in the door.
Hell, they promised me I would work for Pixar when I just wanted to work for a local gaming company. They lied about their connections or even demo reels.
ew... why would you want to work for pixar? Do your own shit if you are good enough bro. again, gitdud
in 2006ish it was every animators dream
Why the frick would you not want Pixar in your portfolio?
>Thank the republicans for not clamping down on for-profit colleges.
Why the frick would they? Those scam factories only screw over entitled liberal fricks and force them into the actual workforce to pay off the $100K+ loans, in the process making what would be another libtard shit peddling LGBTQQ shit to kids and instead have to be functioning, contributing members of society instead by remaining in Target and Starbucks.
The problem solves itself.
Because they were being funded by government money with no accountability. Billions of government dollars wasted. These schools were offering poor kids a false dream because the field was flooded and there were no jobs. They were luring people in with promises of animation jobs and dumping them at Home Depot.
Congress's job is oversight of government money. Instead they took the bribes in the form of campaign donations and campaign events
Imagine these schools drawing 90% of their funding from the poor and the other 10% from veteran GI BILL. 100% government funded. Then they would tout any and all success they could pretend to take credit for.
But you still got these students lingering around the system wishing for jobs. Good luck at any strike, you're gonna get these students jobs.
I'm ok with Disney using Ai to de-age Mark Hamill or Harrison Ford or Anakin Skywalker...
I'm not ok with someone with no artistic ability going to an ai site like "MAKE XYZ COMIC CHARACTER DOING ZYX COMIC CHARACTER IN BAGLEY STYLE"
The kind of moronation it takes to decide against having unions is insane to me. A company has everything to gain by treating you like shit and paying you nothing. Why would you ever put your trust in them for your wellbeing over other workers who want the same things as you do?
>A company has everything to gain by treating you like shit and paying you nothing
In a healthy market, a company has nothing to gain from treating you like shit, because other companies are competing for employees too. Employees are a resource. If there's not enough talent to go around, prices go up.
Somewhere along the line, someone thought it was a good idea to organize actors and writers into guilds. Those guilds thought it was a good idea to force the same contracts on every studio. Because all the studios are dealing with the same terms, someone thought it was a good idea to organize studios into an association, so both sides can collectively bargain. It's collusion by a different name, and the net effect is that studios aren't competing for employees anymore.
This is a hell of your own making.
>If there's not enough talent to go around, prices go up.
Yet the wages don’t even keep up with inflation
Why do you think wages should be guaranteed to go up with inflation, if the business/market itself does not grow enough to keep pace with inflation?
Not at all, and that's the point. These unions and studio associations have made it unhealthy, because they're not competing anymore.
>These unions and studio associations have made it unhealthy
lol no
>if the business/market itself does not grow enough to keep pace with inflation?
sounds like a shitty business lmao
Right, and thus they should fail along with all the employees. Like comics, for example. We're watching that happen in real time.
Well the 08 recession fricked over inflation in a huge way, then covid lockdowns did it way more.
If neither of those two events happened a $60K a year job would be great money. But now we have to deal with $6 a gallon gas and $8 bad of fricking doritos. So anyone making less than $85K is struggling to live a lower middle class existence.
its kinda like ACAB. we need the good people to call out the bad people otherwise the entire industry hierarchy will remain a joke
>In a healthy market
You think animation is a healthy market?
Companies are never competing for employees, the economy is structured to keep unemployment artificially high specifically for that. The hope is that it'll stave off inflation but as far the meantime, it means companies have nothing to lose by treating you like shit.
If treating you like shit generates profit, which it does in a lot of ways, then it'll always be a viable strategy. Competition is a myth without any kind of regulations involved since these in practice always trend towards monopolies and cartels. If nobody's actively fighting for good conditions then it just won't happen, since it has a cost and they'll always be a greater incentive to cut it than what they could gain otherwise.
>Companies are never competing for employees
Bullshit. Supermarkets in my area have nearly doubled their entry level pay during the "great resignation". No one wanted to work, the working pool shrank, prices went up.
>the economy is structured to keep unemployment artificially high specifically for that
That's only so because of artificial policies that increase the work pool. For example, increasing immigration.
>If treating you like shit generates profit
That's absolutely true, but the key word here is "if." If a company treats workers like shit, and workers can find work elsewhere, soon that company will find itself stuck with only shitty workers or no workers at all, and they'd fail.
I'm not here to say companies are nice. I'm saying that telling them they need to be nice doesn't work in the long run. And that's mostly the arguments you are making. You can't speak about morality to companies, it's a language they do not understand. You can only incentivize them to do so, and the best incentive is to have a competitive market at every level. That doesn't happen when all the employees are organized, and all the studios are organized.
>wages raised because of the great resignation
this is literally conceding the point to unions. This is an argument for unions
Not necessarily, that happens independently of unions. It happened in stores that were unionized, it happened in stores that weren't unionized.
I think you misunderstood. If collective action works, independent of unions. Then that's still saying collective action works, which is the main thing unions are trying to offer. They are offering the thing that made the wages go up.
I think you should look into the effect that unionization has on non unionized wages. It always goes up to compete with the unions.
Well flip side is that if collective action happens independently of unions, why do you need unions? Market forces suffice.
It doesn't have to be an official union, I can still get behind it. I agree with you here. But you can't give the credit to market forces here and say it's not a natural free market force that unions exist in response to it.
>But you can't give the credit to market forces here
I can, because it wasn't the result of a strike or union negotiations. The supermarkets were losing employees, so they upped their wages. This happened at places with unions who didn't strike, and this happened at places without unions. Even Dollar Tree was offering better wages.
you can give credit to that as a market response to shitty wages. But why wouldn't unions organizing also be considered a natural response to low wages?
>But why wouldn't unions organizing also be considered a natural response to low wages?
I didn't say they weren't. But I can certainly make a value judgment on whether they are a net positive or actually effective towards their goal. So can the market. In fact, I would defer to the market. And the reality is, union membership has all but collapsed in the last 30 years.
I also wish to add, this is probably going places I didn't intend, because I'm not flat out against unions or companies. I was pointing out, in the specific case of Hollywood, everyone's missing the real problem. All the actors and writers, who are all technically independent work for hire contractors who should be competing with each other, are in an organization. All the studios who should be competing with each other for talent, are in an organization. All of these parties who should be competing against each other are colluding.
I reiterate, this is a hell of their own making.
if they were competing with each other, their wages would be even lower, since that's the best way to sell your product, which is that you can get the work done at the cheapest.
>union membership collapsed
I think illegal union busting has done a lot to that end.
Markets aren't impartial. Even despite what everyone wants you to believe. They're always structured to incentive something. Even the freest markets have rules to play by and people writing them. I recognize this fact and would rather the economy be used to help more average Americans than the people it's been bent backwards to support currently.
>if they were competing with each other, their wages would be even lower
Yes, and that's not a bad thing, at least from a consumer standpoint. Do you want your contractors to collude so that no matter whom you hire, you pay the same price for a new fence or roof?
>They're always structured to incentive something.
Of course they are. The question is, are they incentivized ultimately to the benefit of the end consumer? This is what you're doing here on Cinemaphile. You're largely talking to consumers. We want the best stuff for the lowest price. This is why you should be worried, and the studios too. Consumers these days are saying "I get more value from video games than tv shows" or "I get more value from manga than comics." This is something you all face at the end. So the idea that wages must always go up is foolish. The idea that wages need to be tied to inflation is foolish.
>Yes, and that's not a bad thing, at least from a consumer standpoint.
It doesn't affect the consumer at all. The price of a movie ticket doesn't depend on the budget of the movie.
The price of a movie ticket has skyrocketed and outpaced inflation. If has everything to do with *cost.* Budgets are a large factor, though not the only factor, in cost.
It's still not related to the wages of the employees.
Now you're talking nonsense. Minimum wage drives prices up. Have you been to a theater lately? Have you seen how understaffed they are because of this?
>Minimum wage drives prices up
Many things drive prices up, but the wages that an employee makes is not the key factor.
>Spend more taxes for bearcats to enact minimum wage
>Employees get numerically more money
>Companies charge more money for goods
>Cost of living goes up, of setting wage increase
>Government steps in to hand out welfare and grants
>Taxes increase
>Companies see the government handing out free money and charge more money
>Cost of living increases
>The government starts printing money to hand out where it sees fit
>Inflation
Every... time...
You're moronic if you think the option to pay people less will contribute to the american's wellbeing and won't just be abused as another avenue for profiteering. But I'm sure I'm wrong and it'll trickle down like the tax cuts did.
You know what drives inflation right?
Sure, but we need to make sure which type of inflation we're talking about. Monetary inflation, or consumer price inflation?
Movie going has outpaced USD inflation. Because costs to operate have risen, cost of film rental has risen, because production has risen, while business has fallen.
A movie ticket is equal to, if not sometimes higher than the price of a Bluray/DVD. It makes people decide to skip the fricking theater and just wait a few months. Streaming made this even worse, $7.99 a month, just wait three or so months and watch it on Disney+ or something.
Better for the consumer is only one way of being better. I'd rather get paid a living wage, and if that raises consumption costs by some amount, I still think it's a fine trade. We've seen the stats on it, the cost doesn't have to offset that much for higher wages on most consumer goods.
Because unions suck.
>Why would you ever put your trust in them for your wellbeing
You don't, you get a contract you moron
You would have a point if the union leaders were workers and they weren't paid.
What's the point of having unions where it's leadership are not workers like you?
I've been supporting them for a long time.
I don't think there's been a single western animation I've watched or had my kids watch since 2020.
give me the pros and cons of doing so.
You have nothing to gain on a personal level. I'm woke and agree with the strike, but that's just the fact of it.
Pros: Hollywood cartoon slop gets grinded to a halt for an indefinite period of time and the communists who make this stuff will be out of work.
Cons: On the off chance that there are any good animated shows or movies in development, they will also be halted and when the strike is over the industry will be even worse than it is now, but only marginally.
I would give money to an organization dedicated to murdering random people who live in Hollywood.
No matter what your politics or opinions on unions are. I think we can all get behind this.
Why are they striking?
They want derivatives. Since writers and actors only made money from the TV airing. The writers for some of the most popular shows got paid crap since the shows only got popular later on streaming, which they had no cut of the profit from. So even hit shows like breaking bad have the people walking away paid as if they only made an average tv show.
They haven't exactly produced anything of worth the lest 10 years, and I have plenty of good stuff to enjoy from before that, so I couldn't really give 2 shits what they do, since it won't affect me.
true it won't effect you. And yeah, most writing is godawful but if a show still made money, then the quality is irrelevant to the issue.
The real question is who the frick is supporting them now? Are they all just that wealthy for their safe and easy Hollywood jobs where they can just stop working without the support of others?
Non-industry spouse
Savings
Donations from locals and supporting organizations
Union funds
Its not brain surgery. These people aren't making exotic trips during all this but they do have limited safety nets.
???
99% of writers have other jobs. None of them are wealthy, nowhere near it. In what reality do you live in?
>Hollywood 6 figure incomes with royalties
>somehow not wealthy
frick off shill
You think every writer is a GRRM?
Are you actually that moronic?
>writer
>6 figures
Wrong job, buddy. Code writer for a defense firm maybe. Work 2 hours a day, write 3 lines of code a week, 120k salary starting.
>singers frequently use computers to create an artificial backup band/tracks for themselves instead of using or collaborating with real instrumentalists
>nobody bats an eye
>studios want to use AI in movie making, replacing real writers and actors
>everyone goes ape shit
Why
Not the same thing
The drummers union will never support you with this attitude
Down with drum machines
ochestras can still perform in live performances with the singers. ai writing and acting kills an entire industry
>Call centers and customers did nothing to stop Automated call reps
Actors can still perform in stage plays
Different medium
You know you can learn to write and act man. Nobody will care if it's bad at first
People used to care about the first point too, you know. It just turns out that the real thing still is desirable.
Going to a virtual Tupac concert will never conpare to having gone to the real thing. But AI is new and has more generalized utility, and the industry is already on its knees as it is, so it's the latest panic.
yep
I'm all for telling off my boss and negotiating a better salary, but nobody helps me when I do it so
outsourcing to Japan, France, or even Canada should absolutely be a goal for animators in the US. I don't care about the rest of the stuff
America is kind of an expensive place to live for an artsy job, which are notorious for paying jack shit.
man it'd be nice if Canada could get more opportunities to make kino
Sorry breh we can only afford the Philippines, Vietnam, and Korea. But we're working hard on getting Kenya up and running. Gotta keep lowering the bottom line to find all our blow, you know
>But we're working hard on getting Kenya up and running.
Jesus Christ, animation being done by Black folk who don't even own a computer and eat cow dung will be an absolute nightmare for the animation world.
>Shinjiro Koizumi who is most likely going to replace Fumio Kishida is making sure Japan will never be a dumping ground for gaijin and will make Japan "Japan First, strictly" and "Make Japan Great Again".
>France is only used because of their black and middle eastern immigration problem and France is starting to flush these people out because of that attack of that one politician and her granddaughter.
That means no more studios like Illumination and Studio Redfrog and that France WILL be as white as snow.
>C11 is going to make using Canada not possible.
Bob Jaques now lives in the States.
Those countries are set on getting black listed in the animation industry (they caused too much damage), also South Korea is getting too expensive to use.
A wonderful universe, thats what.
No! We want the days of Red Hot Riding Hood and Falling Hare back.
Didn't mods ban you for derailing a Tiny Toons thread? This is just ban evading
Not the case.
Also fixed.
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Yes, do it you fricking cowards
will this result in better animation because anime is kicking there ass out side of movies. the scott pillgrim show should've been something the west made but they rarely have anything at that level when they do no ones knows it'll be good or not like unicorn warriors, it looks good but seems like a waster of effort so far.
Wages really should be tied to inflation. Just because the money is worth less doesn't mean the work is less.
nope, AI writes better scripts than the hacks working on cartoons in Cali right now. rooting for the robots
No.
Not when they keep making trash like Velma, Big Mouth, Family Guy, and Owl House.
>free market will sort it out
So the plan is always to do nothing? Less even? Youve been sold on inaction as a solution so you can get exploited forever.
TAG includes feature animation, right? They better thank god if so because the only way they could ever get a new deal is if they threaten Iger with the delay of Frozen 3 and Toy Story 5 and their associated merch
If they try striking, they will all get laughed out of Hollywood and the networks will just pivot to acquiring more Canadian cartoons and anime
>spiteful, sadistic storyboarders out of a job
Oh noooo
Why are people so pro-corporation?
I get twitter california loons are annoying, but being a corp dicksucker is not great either.
>I am soft and innocent?
>I was.. always soft, innocent
>Just a little looney!
Somehow not being pro corporations is being a communist. Also years of stupid hippies and liberal fricks trying to turn corporation into a scary spooky word caused loads of people to go 100% opposite of their world view just because they hate them and do not want to see themselves agreeing with them.
i hate all the snoys trannies and feminists working for the israeli corpos wich i also hate, just so much hatred
wow
.
Pretty much this from what I have seen.
Decades of liberal college professor and rain forest protest types screeching about the evil corporations so fricking much caused people to turn round and be all pro corpos in every way to never ever be compared to the liberal college professor types. They now think that being anti corporation is to be an avocado California liberal douche, and they don't want any of that.
Yes, but only out of self-interest. I hate these people and don't care what happens to them on an individual level, but I want good cartoons. Merging writer and storyboard positions into one and forcing revisionists to do the job of layout artists has lowered the overall art quality. Hire more people and spread the work load.
I was strongly pro union until the union I was in threw us under the bus in negotiations. Now I'm pretty fricking disillusioned, but hey if they can get something done good for them.
Sometimes I fantasize about sitting on a throne of skulls collected from every synagogue in California
What is with all the strikes this year?
Massive inflation event in mid 2021, and again in early 2023 caused prices of all standard goods, starting with almost all groceries to fly the frick up until people making less than 75K a year are now barely functioning as low middle class. People cannot afford things any longer, and they are demanding higher pay to compensate everywhere.
You did that, you dumb liberal shits, your war on oil caused massive inflation.
Reforming our energy policy around climate change would take years of research, but you voted in money-grubbing israelites who just wanted to sell stupid shit and make money. And now we're here, learning the consequences the hard way.
You're all miserable, stupid morons
Oil damage and extraction is starting to cost goverments more money than to use it, oil companies need massive ammounts of tax payer money to survive.
Oil is pretty much outdated, coal had it's century, oil century is ending and now it's biofuel century
"Anon,"
Did you know
That electricity
Comes from coal?
Sure, in the third world. In civilized areas we get it from uranium.
No you fricking moron, oil was reduced to help combat spooky scary phantom imaginary climate changing. Liberals are afraid of summer and fricked over our economy because it's warm outside in July.
if only someone could come up with an alternative
Shit, even if you make more than that it’s struggle.
Because you're fricking stupid and it doesn't benefit anyone to give you the right to vote, least of all yourself
What are you even on about?
I live in a red state. Spoiler: It’s not fixed.
Especially in places like California were costs are out of control
Good. When I say I hate California, I'm specifically talking about people like you.
Become a red state, bang, cost issues will be fixed.
Every issue would be fixed.
True, so focus on the main source of these frick ups and California will be fixed.
Vote Republican next year!
>It'll be less expensive to live there if we make it so shitty that nobody wants to
great plan monopoly man
Yeah, that happens when libshits install Biden over the actual elected president and he gets to work shutting down refineries and cuts off oil imports. all of a sudden Gas is fricking expensive and every single thing transported by truck goes way up.
Who could have seen this coming?
Good way to make sure Indie Animation succeeds, even with the drama stuff going on.
Unions are Italian-American WOP shit that has no place in the 21st century.
But all my based red pilled youtubers told me the strikes would fail and woke would end
Nobody said that. Hollywood is too insular to squabble itself to death. It just needs to keep bleeding. This deal just adds more cuts.
Cool
WHY THE FRICK DIDNT THEY FRICKING WENT ON STRIKE WITH THE FRICKING ACTORS!? GOD THE UNION IS RULED BY FRICKING moronS!
Indie animation is the future. We just have to hope that they don't fall into the trap of giving up everything to be in the Hollywood system like the New Grounds guys eventually did.
>Will you be supporting your brethren in the Animation Guild when they go on strike next year?
I'm not an animator so I dunno how in the frick they're my brethren, but how exactly am I supposed to "support" them, by tweeting obnoxious bullshit 24/7? Nah, I'll pass, best of luck with your negotiations that have nothing to do with me.
I will be scabbing while they're striking lmao. Easy jobs for everyone who wants to break into the industry
Oh, definitely. Lots of jobs up for grabs for people smart enough to not live in LA.
He would have solved it by telling people to grow the frick up and stop being scared of fricking summer.
I mean, he wants to bring the manufacturing base back regardless of what impact it has on the climate. And it could have an impact on the Arctic possibly. It also means less naval traffic for whales, and I worry about the whales.
There is a time at night where the whales approach me and tell me of their woes, anon. The ships and the sonar. And my heart aches for them.
I have a strong hatred for the people making animation now. I will not support them. These people should be slapped. HARD
I support whatever keeps them from making stuff so this fricking industry crashes and burns with no survivors.
I literally cannot name a mainstream western animated project I have liked from the past half-decade. Maybe Love Death & Robots, I guess?
The same support?
You mean how I called for all of Hollywood to crumble?
Will do.
Theres an animators guild ?
I thought every show outsourced their work to korean studios.
Only in America and Japan (JAniCA).