>well beloved character who was important gets ignored and sidelined later in the story
>well beloved character who was important gets ignored and sidelined later in the story
>well beloved character who was important gets ignored and sidelined later in the story
as such is the shonen way
>should I expand and use the existent cast to their full extent?
>no I should add frickton more new characters instead
>Wrong board
*stays here*
What's odd to me is rock Lee's backstory is a more honest version of Narutos where he had no natural talent but he trained to be extraordinary. Chuunin fight is Naruto at its peak and then he'd a non character outside of that cool drunken fight where gaara steals the spot light
weeb fans cant have a self insert who works hard and suceeds, the self insert needed to be special all along and loved by everyone
Naruto doesn't have a self insert though. Unless you mean edgy kids pretending to be Sasuke. Naruto is his own character, not like a self insert
funny how people always bring this up when the counter argument is that they want someone who isn't "born privileged" but became special because le hard work so they can self insert instead
Which is funny because later in Shippuden this kinda carried over but with Guy instead. Guy gets so multiple moments to shine but not Lee
He is the best part of shippuden ngl
>part 1
>Neji and Rock Lee are the most important and powerful of the Konoha genin outside of Naruto/Sasuke, they get the most focus, fights, depth and screentime out of any of the side characters
>Might Guy is just another jonin and one of Kakashi’s friends with no real relevance
>Shippuden
>Might Guy is the most important and powerful of the Konoha jonin outside of Kakashi, he gets the most focus, fights, depth, and screentime
>Rock Lee and Neji are just another chuunin/jonin and part of Naruto’s friends with no real relevance
Why’d this happen?
>Might Guy is just another jonin and one of Kakashi’s friends with no real relevance
what are you smoking, Guy was easily one of the most featured Jonin in part 1
that's the real point of the story. Naruto goes on and on about hard work and surpassing your limits and shits on neji all the time for being an eugenics chad but then he has a literal demon inside of him that gives him unlimited power and becomes the protege of the most powerful people in the world just because they know he has unlimited power. Lee amounting to nothing and disappearing is the subtle black pill of the series and the little homosexual naruto never acknowledges it.
He had one good victory against Sasuke then he always got btfo to let the villains shown as strong
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect
>crippled
>beaten by children
>huge wimp
Actually got btfo completely in burrito
I'm pretty sure Neji got screwed over the most along with Shion and Anko who just became irrelevant at the end. The Neji fight with Naruto was suppose to be a poignant moment but it gets undercut when Naruto is revealed that he was destined for his powers as the series went on, especially that last arc. Naruto existing shames Neji's existence and his loss to him.
>who was important
>Gaara steals his kill
He was a punching bag
kimimaro died due to his time running out
You haven't understood what the series is about and Rock Lee isn't important.
>You haven't understood what the series is about
Neither did Kishimoto
Thumbs up if you like Naruto!
Sorry, gotta give more screen time to the "smart but lazy" guy.
He got his own series instead.
considering it stopped long time ago, safe to say it flopped?
what's an anime that starts with a real genuine loser without any inherent powers and abilities and doesn't have any magical destiny shit but through hard work and perseverance and perhaps some guidance he achieves greatness without the aid of some deux ex machina shit or convenient plot asspulls?
MHA
Demon Slayer
>O MY 7 QUIRKS
Frick off moron
12 kingdoms. Isekai done right
Kenichi Mightiest Disciple. Kenichi's strength is basically just that he has really good masters teaching him, but he doesn't have any inherent strength or superpowers or anything like that.
Personally I think having a great teacher can be just as unfairly lucky as being born with superpowers, but most people don't think about that when they're looking for 'hard work' in anime.
Looks gay as frick
there's a lot of them, they're not special
Genuinely demon Slayer. Kid starts out ground zero with no experience holding a weapon. He's just clever and has guts at the beginning. Takes him 9 months of training and working out before he ever applies for a test. Tbf he wins because he has good olfactory senses that helps give him an edge but they aren't broke by any means.
There's a solid trajectory of growth throughout the series and there's even moments where he cries to himself because he hasn't gone a month without recovering from an injury and from life and death scenarios. There is no secret ability that wins everything, he literally just learns to watch his breathing, and waste no movement.
By the end he's severely injured but ok. I think it's the best shounen to come out in 20 years.
>Descendant of the first demon swordsman
>Heir to his sword and the solar breathing technique from which the others emerged
>Learns techniques and breathings on the go, mid attack, even from others such as the speed tecnique from Zenitsu when the plot required him to be fast
>Her sister will be the key to everything and the most powerful of the demons. I'm forgetting things still
He didn't inherit anything, he watched his dad do a funny dance and turned it into a sword attack.
Also he isn't the descendant of anyone special, his ancestor was the friend of the first demon Slayer.
The only thing that made his family special was how kind they were. That's why his sister could ignore her demon bloodlust. I think that's a great power for a main character. He just brings people together.
He's not descended from Yorichi. His ancestors met yorichi in the past but the Kamados aren't related to him. Yorichi taught Tanjiro's ancestor the sun breathing dance which got passed down eventually to Tanjiro, that's it. He's not a chosen one. Muiichiro the mist hashira is the chosen one descended by yorichi, and he gets cut in half and dies.
Demon Slayer is fine but the "my dad taught me this super secret technique" flashback is used twice for two asspulls that give him the exact ability needed to beat his enemy.
>perhaps some guidance
those are convenient plot asspulls. real losers stay losers their whole life
I see nothing wrong with a character having a good teacher/guidance because sometimes good teachers/people exist who offer good advice for people. No one, however, is born with a fantastical destiny or is the chosen one. Which is exactly why characters like Mr. Miyagi work but "muh prophecy" shit is so played-out and boring.
Hajime no Ippo
The only correct answer so far.
they constantly go on about how strong he is (because he carries bags for his mom lol). And no one starts training today and becomes a local champion in a year, he had talent.
The Climber. It's in the top 5 manga stories of all time.
kaiji
I thought he was in canadian prison (only true oldfrends know)
shamo
Greatness is relative
One Piece pre timeskip kinda. Luffy is a dumb idiot with powers that are seemingly laughable until he learns to use them constructively and get help from friends/allies.
Rock Lee and Gaara could have had the best dynamic for character development, but instead we got eyeball power-frickery and dino-fricking.
Neji was way more popular and got nothing during shippuden.
Neji was supposed to die in saving sasuke arc but his editor told him to keep him alive. I guess not giving him anything to do except be Boruto's tribute was his revenge
>Neji was supposed to die in saving sasuke arc but his editor told him to keep him alive
Source? I read that arc as it was coming out and I never expected Neji or Chouji to actually die, because it follows the Saint Seiya format to a T so I had seen it a dozen times.
Getting impaled by a branch was the best thing that happened to him.
>couldn't even give him a proper death like him trying to rotation palm the shit out of those spikes to protect naruto, instead just die jumping infront of them like a pleb
THANK YOU Cinemaphile YOU GUYS ARE THE REAL HEROS OF 4 CHAN
Guy saving Lee in the fight vs Gaara is in my top Naruto scenes. The way you just know guy would frick gaaras shit up is gratifying after that never ending gaara circle jerk
Guy fricking up Madara with the young Kakashi flashback mixed in was 11/10 anime kino. Gai and Lee are working class heroes.
I don't think any of the Leaf kids besides Naruto and Sasuke were ever meant to be important post-time skip.
the ino shika cho trio gets considerable amount of spotlight, they could if they wanted to