hard doubt on AI not being used since "not being widespread" is not an argument. AI Dungeon and Novel AI have existed since 2019 and were once actually useful for shitting out poetry/lyrics. And before that there were other AI text generators if you knew where to look. This just tells me if anon was seriously a contributor to the project that they had absolutely frick all to do with any of the writing.
Didney's paying big bucks for astroturfing rights. You can plainly see they're desperate for the mutant show to succeed- and if they're already here, well, jannies can sweeten the pot by getting rid of criticism.
>super special Disney 100th anniversary movie >invent a whole new fancy screen filter that apparently cost a bunch of time and money to make >spend a bunch of money on the movie and the cast >make references to the company's entire history, trying to honor it
... >literally nobody cares about the movie, other than the baseline "it's Disney, of course I'll see it" fans and reviewers, and the entirety of Spain, who was so mad Disney quickly retconned the setting to not be in Spain >merch+movie CONSTANTLY in stock at all stores with huge stands to advertise it and nobody even cares to look. Said stands are STILL in a lot of stores >fancy screen filter is so subtle that it instantly gets vaporized unless you're watching a perfect lossless rip on a calibrated 4k screen; the effect is almost completely lost on everything else, even in theaters >since you can't even SEE the screen filter, the movie just looks like they forgot to finish rendering the scenes or that someone dummied something out by accident >plot makes no sense >no "Let It Go"-tier songs, nothing good enough to make it to radio or have kids singing it in grocery store checkout aisles >almost 100% of any concept ideas and concept art found/released is objectively better than what we got >most of the references to Disney's history in the movie are either stupid or pointless >made zero cultural impact >no kids wearing Wish merch (can confirm, I live next to a school, about 200 walk right in front of our house twice a day) >everyone but the most diehard of diehard Disney cultists either forgot this movie came out, disliked it, or didn't know it was a Disney movie
They still have huge bargain bins full of Wish shit at Disneyland. I've never even seen a "sale!" sign at Disneyland before.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
They should have just made a 2D animated film for the 100th anniversary.
I only went into a couple shops but a lot of racks had their bottom shelf full of Star stuff, all marked down 50%.
The main "World of Disney" shop outside the gate had an entire "bargains" section that was almost nothing but Wish crap and a few DLR items with last year's date on them.
Branded merch shirts don't seem to be as common as it used to be when I was a kid, but Minecraft's the majority these days. Some Disney princess stuff, but not much. Bluey too.
Not as much Fortnite as there was a few years ago, either, but some still stick around I guess.
Honestly I don't watch the kids much as they go since that's just being creepy as frick, but sometimes I'm just stuck there standing at my car waiting for them to pass so I can leave.
You're allowed to live that close to a school?
I wish I didn't. When school releases, the whole road is blocked up with kids for a while, and the school itself is the district's bus hub, so it's practically half an hour of roads blocked by kids and roads blocked by buses leaving/arriving.
Can any artgays define what’s wrong with the graphics/artstyle? It just looked lifeless and kinda muted and low budget to me. What went wrong compared to the other CGI movies?
Like I said above in my wall of text, there's supposed to be this subtle hand-drawn screen shader that apparently cost Disney an arm and a leg to design, but if you watch the movie on anything but a highly-calibrated, expensive-ass screen in the absolute most immaculate lossless format, the effect is completely lost and it just makes the already cheap looking film look like Foodfight.
I feel you on the school thing. I live like five minutes next to multiple different schools, and it's more or less impossible to navigate through unless you're driving at very specific times where everyone's fricked off to class. I'm more or less nocturnal now so I don't have to deal with that shit.
Worst part, I AM a night owl, but I'm a caretaker for two early bird elderly people.
If I wasn't tied to their schedule, I'd probably be completely nocturnal.
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I think the only reason Moana was a bit popular at all was simply the Rock’s star power propping it up, like no one cares about the chick just Maui.
The fact that Frozen made billions while starring the whitest of white princesses must make someone in the company seethe and that’s why we get an unending stream of brown girl protagonists.
Funny part is the seethe is probably extra seethe-y if it's true that Frozen was just intended to be some low-effort tech demo movie like some people have said.
That said, I loved Moana as a movie, it's one of the few CG Disney movies that had that "Disney feel" with the songs and setting. I remember being dissatisfied with the crab, though I don't remember why.
Also I think it was super underrated for the "animal sidekick" to just be a dumb 0 IQ slapstick chicken.
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>I remember being dissatisfied with the crab, though I don't remember why.
Shiny isn't a very good song and the sequence itself isn't very interesting.
Compare:
100 million budget (puss) vs 200 million.
Seeing stills of Wish makes me think they should have gone with a highly stylized art design.
The whole movie felt AI-generated. The king’s villain song literally sounds like someone said “Let’s put some of that Lin Manuel-Miranda shit in there” and clicked generate.
It's hilarious that everybody has accused the movie of being written by AI when it's really just Jennifer Lee being a shittier writer than the writers of nuPPG. May I remind everyone Lee also wrote woke Wrinkle in Time starring giant Oprah and Reese Witherspoon as a flying lettuce leaf?
they should have made Asha the "villain" of the movie. I know that "technically" she is, but more evident for the viewer. Trying out this opposite trope, could have been a cool way to show how much the writing of disney movies evolded throught time. Asha starting off with good intention but then she grow more and more power hungry by messing up with magic and wishes. Then would be up to Magnifico and Asha's parent's to save her from being selfish. But nha, whoever was in charge in the writing room thought that making young woman to fight off a "selfish" white man was better. Also his wife was an butthole as well.
>Also his wife was an butthole as well.
Her 180 from "Oh, I love you, don't risk everything by using that Evil Book," to "Here, Crippled Servant Wench, allow me to show you how to use this Evil Book without risking everything," was such a random thing out of left field.
>The protagonist's best friend is a baker and needs a cane to walk. >You would think that her greatest wish would be to be able to walk without the cane. >no! Her desire is to be the best baker, even though she is already the king's baker.
It's the same shit as parents who think their deaf children's personality is to be deaf.
Same issue gets raised about Encanto; why didn't the mom heal Mirabel and her husband's eyesight with her powers?
Director got asked this and was caught off guard, gave some bullshit answer about how the mom didn't think their eyesight needed fixing. Erm, yes it fricking does b***h, what if your daughter loses her glasses in a dangerous place? It's not desirable to have busted vision.
There is actually a good answer for that. Nearsightedness and farsightedness are refractive errors rather than injuries and are caused by the shape of the eyeball itself, so they wouldn't register to the magic.
But she's no doctor, she just makes healing buns. It's not like she deliberately cures some specific injury or illness. To imply that she never tried to heal Mirabel or her husband is to imply that they've never ate her pastries at all.
Can any artgays define what’s wrong with the graphics/artstyle? It just looked lifeless and kinda muted and low budget to me. What went wrong compared to the other CGI movies?
I keep seeing people say “They’re blending 2D with 3D animation and it’s gRoUnDbReAKiNg and looks like a painting!” I guess I don’t see what they’re seeing at all, it looks like an unfinished Z-list studio cgi movie to me.
It’s just so bizarre to me that this big, 100th anniversary celebration that should be full of joy, magic and wonder is so dull and lifeless looking, there’s just nothing special, magical or awe-inspiring about it at all.
I can see what they were shooing for, but they should have changed course as soon as the first environment background came out looking like something from the late PS2 era.
>Honor 100 years of Disney with a talking animal character obviously trying to copy the style of the competitor you’ve been seething at and chasing this whole millennium
It was probably doomed creatively the moment they decided not to go back to hand-drawn, but that would also have given them something to market the movie. The poster sums up how generic it is.
It should have been 2D. The fact that Jennifer Lee turned down the idea of their anniversary celebration being 2D shows she should not be in charge of WDAS. Her reign has been mostly a disaster. You don't need to bring Lasseter back but at least find someone competent.
Jennifer Lee should be sued after she wasted resources in attempting to kill off Elsa in Frozen II. Only a complete moron would not realize that shit wouldn't fly for a for-profit corporation.
I think the only reason Moana was a bit popular at all was simply the Rock’s star power propping it up, like no one cares about the chick just Maui.
The fact that Frozen made billions while starring the whitest of white princesses must make someone in the company seethe and that’s why we get an unending stream of brown girl protagonists.
Posts like this always remind me how out of touch this board can be. Moana is a juggernaut among kids, is consistently in the most streamed movies EVER (higher than Frozen and Encanto) and the soundtrack is always charting on Spotify. That's why Iger upgraded the show to theatrical sequel, it's a safe bet.
But then Cinemaphile also continues to insist Encanto was a bomb with no cultural relevance so I don't know what I expected.
I can see what they were shooing for, but they should have changed course as soon as the first environment background came out looking like something from the late PS2 era.
The backgrounds remind me of indie animation from the 90s. Looking at the image I expect the clouds and plants to start moving on 4s or 5s.
I liked some bits, but it did painfully feel like a movie written by a board of suits rather than people who had an actual story in mind, beginning to end.
It was pretty clear from the start the entire movie was fricked over by nonstop boardroom corporate decisions that made it the safest, most sterile film ever, designed to sell plushies and not tell a story.
Has a Gisnep princess movie ever been this universally hated before? I'm talking full theater releases of new IPs, not shitty direct-to-video sequels. I'm still kind of shocked at how even general audiences are not eating this up, the only people actually talking about this vocally are the 100 million video essayists taking a fat shit all over it
The closest one is probably Raya, but that one at least had hot noodle waifu to make up for shit writing. This garbage here is just completely irredeemable.
Raya wasn't even hated, literally zero actual real people bought tickets or watched the movie other than a few curious furries trying to look at Sisu from as many angles as they can.
I think literally zero people even know what the plot is, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people just assume "Raya" is the dragon
I keep seeing people say “They’re blending 2D with 3D animation and it’s gRoUnDbReAKiNg and looks like a painting!” I guess I don’t see what they’re seeing at all, it looks like an unfinished Z-list studio cgi movie to me.
It’s just so bizarre to me that this big, 100th anniversary celebration that should be full of joy, magic and wonder is so dull and lifeless looking, there’s just nothing special, magical or awe-inspiring about it at all.
Like I've mentioned a couple times in the thread, the effect they came up with was genuinely nice, but is unbelievably NOT video-friendly and dies the second the words "compression", "artifacts" or "1080P" get spoken. You can kinda see what they were going for in
Compare:
100 million budget (puss) vs 200 million.
despite the low res (IIRC that was a bullshot by Disney), but again, the screen filter is just not well thought out and disappears on anything but a max-tier TV playing a lossless rip.
>no "Let It Go"-tier songs
I have no idea why people liked this song.
>song's a metaphor for women to become themselves and not be held back by expectations, really just "girl power" but less "GRRRRRL POWAHHHH I AM WOMAN HEAR ME ROAR", so it's not annoying or preachy to anyone >released at a time when feminism was on the rise
Looks like we have a mystery on our hands, gang!
Has a Gisnep princess movie ever been this universally hated before? I'm talking full theater releases of new IPs, not shitty direct-to-video sequels. I'm still kind of shocked at how even general audiences are not eating this up, the only people actually talking about this vocally are the 100 million video essayists taking a fat shit all over it
Hated? No frickin' clue. I know Brave and Raya both came out like wet farts, and the live-action remakes were pretty hated, but I assume you weren't referring to them. cough Blariel cough
"Universally hated" is the key thing here, I mean unless you include the Disney Star Wars stuff, I don't think there's anything rivaling Wish here, and even the SW trilogy still got SEA and a shitload of drooling SW fans to watch them out of curiosity on name brand alone.
(me)
Right, forgot about Princess and the Frog.
Pretty universally disliked, maybe hated. Really the only people that cared were the "wow blakk dinsey prinscess" people and even THOSE people were mad Tiana was a frog for most of the movie, and the movie flopped hard.
Sucks because it's legitimately one of my favorite Disney princess movies, has the strongest classic Disney feel of any of the other "new" Disney movies, and it's my #1 "hey let's rape old fairy tales with diversity!" movie of all time because they actually DID something with it by doing a complete new spin on the tale instead of making a 1:1 clone of the old movie and saying shit like "Ariel is black now, DEAL WITH IT YOU FRICKING SHITLORD!!! I'M REPORTING YOU RACIST FRICK!!!! DIIEEEEEEE"
PATF made a profit and Disney are now doing more with the IP than they've ever done before. I don't know at what stage the narrative developed that it was a bomb, the whole reason it was notable was that it kicked off the revival era.
It bombed at the time and was half the reason Disney stopped doing 2D movies.
IIRC it was moreso that the movie came out at the same time as some big competitor, but it definitely flopped harder than Disney was willing to accept, and the backlash of having the first black Disney princess be a frog for 90% of the movie didn't help.
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just think, if wish was 2d and bombed disney would have had a whole new reason to never do any more 2d movies.
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Almost tripling its budget, while going up against the highest grossing film of all time to boot, is not a bomb, moron.
Raya should have been a series. They just shoved too much in there for one movie. But Raya as a character was very enjoyable and her VA was great.
I wished I cared more about Asha.
Wrong. It was designed as a princess movie, her being 'coronated' as such for the merch just means her own line didn't sell well enough. Anna, Elsa and Moana are Disney princesses (see: Wreck It Ralph 2) but their toys move, so they get their own lines.
He’s right. Hazbin Hotel, an indie animation created from a random girl’s original character doodles that she drew in high school absolutely blew Disney out of the water.
Killing all your good ideas will do that.
Adding in even more tumblr tropes wouldnt have made the movie better.
Maybe not but It worked wonders for Hazbin Hotel. Kids eat that shit up. It would have made Wish profitable at least.
Why did that behind the scenes thread get nuked?
I was wondering the same thing.
Not sure, maybe some homosexual said something jannies didn't like, but I saved the screen caps.
hard doubt on AI not being used since "not being widespread" is not an argument. AI Dungeon and Novel AI have existed since 2019 and were once actually useful for shitting out poetry/lyrics. And before that there were other AI text generators if you knew where to look. This just tells me if anon was seriously a contributor to the project that they had absolutely frick all to do with any of the writing.
Yes but ChatGPT, i.e. mainstream accessible AI that got significant attention and has changed society to a large degree, was only a thing since 2022.
Kind of a generic behind the scenes but it's probably legit.
Didney's paying big bucks for astroturfing rights. You can plainly see they're desperate for the mutant show to succeed- and if they're already here, well, jannies can sweeten the pot by getting rid of criticism.
I forgot this even existed.
>super special Disney 100th anniversary movie
>invent a whole new fancy screen filter that apparently cost a bunch of time and money to make
>spend a bunch of money on the movie and the cast
>make references to the company's entire history, trying to honor it
...
>literally nobody cares about the movie, other than the baseline "it's Disney, of course I'll see it" fans and reviewers, and the entirety of Spain, who was so mad Disney quickly retconned the setting to not be in Spain
>merch+movie CONSTANTLY in stock at all stores with huge stands to advertise it and nobody even cares to look. Said stands are STILL in a lot of stores
>fancy screen filter is so subtle that it instantly gets vaporized unless you're watching a perfect lossless rip on a calibrated 4k screen; the effect is almost completely lost on everything else, even in theaters
>since you can't even SEE the screen filter, the movie just looks like they forgot to finish rendering the scenes or that someone dummied something out by accident
>plot makes no sense
>no "Let It Go"-tier songs, nothing good enough to make it to radio or have kids singing it in grocery store checkout aisles
>almost 100% of any concept ideas and concept art found/released is objectively better than what we got
>most of the references to Disney's history in the movie are either stupid or pointless
>made zero cultural impact
>no kids wearing Wish merch (can confirm, I live next to a school, about 200 walk right in front of our house twice a day)
>everyone but the most diehard of diehard Disney cultists either forgot this movie came out, disliked it, or didn't know it was a Disney movie
You're allowed to live that close to a school?
They still have huge bargain bins full of Wish shit at Disneyland. I've never even seen a "sale!" sign at Disneyland before.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
They should have just made a 2D animated film for the 100th anniversary.
Elaborate, set the scene for me anon. How much unsold shit are we talking. And how did it compare to the likes of Frozen/Moana/Encanto
I only went into a couple shops but a lot of racks had their bottom shelf full of Star stuff, all marked down 50%.
The main "World of Disney" shop outside the gate had an entire "bargains" section that was almost nothing but Wish crap and a few DLR items with last year's date on them.
Yee frickin' ouch.
>can confirm, I live next to a school, about 200 walk right in front of our house twice a day
What merch do they wear?
Branded merch shirts don't seem to be as common as it used to be when I was a kid, but Minecraft's the majority these days. Some Disney princess stuff, but not much. Bluey too.
Not as much Fortnite as there was a few years ago, either, but some still stick around I guess.
Honestly I don't watch the kids much as they go since that's just being creepy as frick, but sometimes I'm just stuck there standing at my car waiting for them to pass so I can leave.
I wish I didn't. When school releases, the whole road is blocked up with kids for a while, and the school itself is the district's bus hub, so it's practically half an hour of roads blocked by kids and roads blocked by buses leaving/arriving.
Like I said above in my wall of text, there's supposed to be this subtle hand-drawn screen shader that apparently cost Disney an arm and a leg to design, but if you watch the movie on anything but a highly-calibrated, expensive-ass screen in the absolute most immaculate lossless format, the effect is completely lost and it just makes the already cheap looking film look like Foodfight.
I feel you on the school thing. I live like five minutes next to multiple different schools, and it's more or less impossible to navigate through unless you're driving at very specific times where everyone's fricked off to class. I'm more or less nocturnal now so I don't have to deal with that shit.
Worst part, I AM a night owl, but I'm a caretaker for two early bird elderly people.
If I wasn't tied to their schedule, I'd probably be completely nocturnal.
Funny part is the seethe is probably extra seethe-y if it's true that Frozen was just intended to be some low-effort tech demo movie like some people have said.
That said, I loved Moana as a movie, it's one of the few CG Disney movies that had that "Disney feel" with the songs and setting. I remember being dissatisfied with the crab, though I don't remember why.
Also I think it was super underrated for the "animal sidekick" to just be a dumb 0 IQ slapstick chicken.
>I remember being dissatisfied with the crab, though I don't remember why.
Shiny isn't a very good song and the sequence itself isn't very interesting.
Seeing stills of Wish makes me think they should have gone with a highly stylized art design.
how many of those fricking hideous goat popcorn buckets are in a landfill right now
If Disney wants to use Spain as a setting, they should go with an actual Spanish story like pic related.
Dunno what they were thinking.
The whole movie was a complete frickup despite being the super-duper important 100th anniversary movie.
Gigantic was originally going to be in Spain. Rumours are they really want a Spanish Pavilion in Spain.
They rolled back on the Spanish setting of Wish when people pointed out that they had based it entirely around Moorish occupied Spain
>no "Let It Go"-tier songs
I have no idea why people liked this song.
it was originally a villain song, but felt so good execs told writers to redo the movie couple of months before release
>no closeup shot of her bare feet
Come on even Enchanto got that.
Actually there is one.
Time stamp?
Not pulling this crap up to check but it's when she triggers the security spell in the king's office and is flailing like a moron
Thank you
Np. Enjoy the nut anon. Hope it's worth it.
>lighter toned sole
They fricked up everything else in the movie, but at least they gave us that.
Now rate Mirabel feet.
God this single frame of Encanto has more detail and soul than the entirety of Wish
Look to be a bit smaller than Asha's and
is correct, but still would.
Not even a foot guy, but those are really cute feet.
Fat feet
Identical to Moana's actually
/b3cl5n.jpeg
I know that feeling. Not even into feet.
Footgays, once again, proving that they belong on the cross.
Why does the castle literally look AI generated?
The whole movie felt AI-generated. The king’s villain song literally sounds like someone said “Let’s put some of that Lin Manuel-Miranda shit in there” and clicked generate.
One of those movies where you completely forget you even saw it hours later. Oh yeah, I went to the theater earlier. Huh.
Wish is what would happen if you asked AI to make a Disney movie. I'm not sure AI could do worse, honestly.
It's hilarious that everybody has accused the movie of being written by AI when it's really just Jennifer Lee being a shittier writer than the writers of nuPPG. May I remind everyone Lee also wrote woke Wrinkle in Time starring giant Oprah and Reese Witherspoon as a flying lettuce leaf?
Frozen and it's consequences have been a disaster on WDAS
could the sisterfricking incestgays stick to their own thread please
no you aren't
they should have made Asha the "villain" of the movie. I know that "technically" she is, but more evident for the viewer. Trying out this opposite trope, could have been a cool way to show how much the writing of disney movies evolded throught time. Asha starting off with good intention but then she grow more and more power hungry by messing up with magic and wishes. Then would be up to Magnifico and Asha's parent's to save her from being selfish. But nha, whoever was in charge in the writing room thought that making young woman to fight off a "selfish" white man was better. Also his wife was an butthole as well.
>Also his wife was an butthole as well.
Her 180 from "Oh, I love you, don't risk everything by using that Evil Book," to "Here, Crippled Servant Wench, allow me to show you how to use this Evil Book without risking everything," was such a random thing out of left field.
>The protagonist's best friend is a baker and needs a cane to walk.
>You would think that her greatest wish would be to be able to walk without the cane.
>no! Her desire is to be the best baker, even though she is already the king's baker.
It's the same shit as parents who think their deaf children's personality is to be deaf.
Same issue gets raised about Encanto; why didn't the mom heal Mirabel and her husband's eyesight with her powers?
Director got asked this and was caught off guard, gave some bullshit answer about how the mom didn't think their eyesight needed fixing. Erm, yes it fricking does b***h, what if your daughter loses her glasses in a dangerous place? It's not desirable to have busted vision.
There is actually a good answer for that. Nearsightedness and farsightedness are refractive errors rather than injuries and are caused by the shape of the eyeball itself, so they wouldn't register to the magic.
But she's no doctor, she just makes healing buns. It's not like she deliberately cures some specific injury or illness. To imply that she never tried to heal Mirabel or her husband is to imply that they've never ate her pastries at all.
Can any artgays define what’s wrong with the graphics/artstyle? It just looked lifeless and kinda muted and low budget to me. What went wrong compared to the other CGI movies?
It's literally not fully rendered. But Gisnep pretended it's some unique expensive filter.
I keep seeing people say “They’re blending 2D with 3D animation and it’s gRoUnDbReAKiNg and looks like a painting!” I guess I don’t see what they’re seeing at all, it looks like an unfinished Z-list studio cgi movie to me.
It’s just so bizarre to me that this big, 100th anniversary celebration that should be full of joy, magic and wonder is so dull and lifeless looking, there’s just nothing special, magical or awe-inspiring about it at all.
>there’s just nothing special, magical or awe-inspiring about it at all.
And that describes modern Disney to a T, so good on them, I guess.
It's literally cheap cel shading from mid 00's presented as a revolutionary 2D effect.
Compare:
100 million budget (puss) vs 200 million.
Pusschads win once again.
I can see what they were shooing for, but they should have changed course as soon as the first environment background came out looking like something from the late PS2 era.
>Honor 100 years of Disney with a talking animal character obviously trying to copy the style of the competitor you’ve been seething at and chasing this whole millennium
It was probably doomed creatively the moment they decided not to go back to hand-drawn, but that would also have given them something to market the movie. The poster sums up how generic it is.
Watched it last night and discovered that my nephew is a huge fan of Magnificos villian song.
Surprising, that's the most universally reviled one. Your nephew may be a contrarian.
He's 8
Contrarianism starts early
It's why I picked Squirtle when all my buddies were picking Charmander
not everyone is a jaded child
You don't have to be jaded to be contrarian
But did it swallow?
>4-minute Fan Animadtics proceed to out-SOVL and out-celebrate your 100-year celebration movie.
It should have been 2D. The fact that Jennifer Lee turned down the idea of their anniversary celebration being 2D shows she should not be in charge of WDAS. Her reign has been mostly a disaster. You don't need to bring Lasseter back but at least find someone competent.
Wait, I got something to say.
At least the girl is hot.
i was like half watching it last month and it looked mega boring fr
>give her a baby goat mascot
>give her yet another star shaped mascot critter
Who thought this was a good idea?
>Grandpa's vague wish didn't win the monthly lottery that secures house, home, and could lead to a revolt
Revolution!
I am a woman and that only applies to the loud and privileged. No idea why Lee is still around when she is actively destroying the studio.
Jennifer Lee should be sued after she wasted resources in attempting to kill off Elsa in Frozen II. Only a complete moron would not realize that shit wouldn't fly for a for-profit corporation.
I think the only reason Moana was a bit popular at all was simply the Rock’s star power propping it up, like no one cares about the chick just Maui.
The fact that Frozen made billions while starring the whitest of white princesses must make someone in the company seethe and that’s why we get an unending stream of brown girl protagonists.
Moana was just a decent movie. The Rock helped sure, but that can only go so far if the movie was anything less than that.
It was probably Disney's best movie since Tangled. It's late Renaissance-era quality to me. Better than Pocahontas. Hercules-tier I suppose.
Zootopia is good
Probably the best thing to come out of WDAS between 2015 and 2020 which is depressing
It was Emperor's New Groove of 2010.
Frozen was Lion King, so much impact.
Encanto is Lilo and Stitch, an acclaimed and popular film in an ocean of turds
RBTI is Chicken Little
>RBTI
What?
is there any reason to watch this? i assumed it was the same exact story as the emoji movie
I think of Wish being more like the Chicken Little of this period.
That implies things will get better. Unless Lee is canned, it's just gonna get worse and worse.
I cared about Moana FAR more than Maui
Posts like this always remind me how out of touch this board can be. Moana is a juggernaut among kids, is consistently in the most streamed movies EVER (higher than Frozen and Encanto) and the soundtrack is always charting on Spotify. That's why Iger upgraded the show to theatrical sequel, it's a safe bet.
But then Cinemaphile also continues to insist Encanto was a bomb with no cultural relevance so I don't know what I expected.
Cinemaphile us full of people who want to believe their own headcanons about reality
Moana was a decent, but basic by the numbers princess adventure. Which is pretty much all any kids wants out of a Disney movie.
I'm not talking about anything else.
The backgrounds remind me of indie animation from the 90s. Looking at the image I expect the clouds and plants to start moving on 4s or 5s.
is it really that bad? nothing gets my penis more erect than animated Disney musicals, I even liked Frozen II if for no other reason that the songs
Wish doesn't have good songs.
I liked some bits, but it did painfully feel like a movie written by a board of suits rather than people who had an actual story in mind, beginning to end.
It was pretty clear from the start the entire movie was fricked over by nonstop boardroom corporate decisions that made it the safest, most sterile film ever, designed to sell plushies and not tell a story.
Plushies of what? I havent seen any star kid plushies.
I have seen loads of the star and the goat.
Jennifer Lee should be replaced with Juniper Lee.
Not shitmerican, not my problem. Just watching cartoons.
Our country dictates your country, cuck
Still not cartoon/comic related.
Be careful what you wish for
I liked how the king actually tried to win at every opportunity, even if his characterization was meh and he loses for no reason at the end.
Has a Gisnep princess movie ever been this universally hated before? I'm talking full theater releases of new IPs, not shitty direct-to-video sequels. I'm still kind of shocked at how even general audiences are not eating this up, the only people actually talking about this vocally are the 100 million video essayists taking a fat shit all over it
The closest one is probably Raya, but that one at least had hot noodle waifu to make up for shit writing. This garbage here is just completely irredeemable.
>hot noodle waifu
A painfully obnoxious character voiced by Awkwafina that only appeals to a tiny minority of coomer furgays doesn't make up for jack fricking shit.
You seem upset.
Raya wasn't even hated, literally zero actual real people bought tickets or watched the movie other than a few curious furries trying to look at Sisu from as many angles as they can.
I think literally zero people even know what the plot is, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people just assume "Raya" is the dragon
Like I've mentioned a couple times in the thread, the effect they came up with was genuinely nice, but is unbelievably NOT video-friendly and dies the second the words "compression", "artifacts" or "1080P" get spoken. You can kinda see what they were going for in
despite the low res (IIRC that was a bullshot by Disney), but again, the screen filter is just not well thought out and disappears on anything but a max-tier TV playing a lossless rip.
>song's a metaphor for women to become themselves and not be held back by expectations, really just "girl power" but less "GRRRRRL POWAHHHH I AM WOMAN HEAR ME ROAR", so it's not annoying or preachy to anyone
>released at a time when feminism was on the rise
Looks like we have a mystery on our hands, gang!
Hated? No frickin' clue. I know Brave and Raya both came out like wet farts, and the live-action remakes were pretty hated, but I assume you weren't referring to them. cough Blariel cough
"Universally hated" is the key thing here, I mean unless you include the Disney Star Wars stuff, I don't think there's anything rivaling Wish here, and even the SW trilogy still got SEA and a shitload of drooling SW fans to watch them out of curiosity on name brand alone.
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Right, forgot about Princess and the Frog.
Pretty universally disliked, maybe hated. Really the only people that cared were the "wow blakk dinsey prinscess" people and even THOSE people were mad Tiana was a frog for most of the movie, and the movie flopped hard.
Sucks because it's legitimately one of my favorite Disney princess movies, has the strongest classic Disney feel of any of the other "new" Disney movies, and it's my #1 "hey let's rape old fairy tales with diversity!" movie of all time because they actually DID something with it by doing a complete new spin on the tale instead of making a 1:1 clone of the old movie and saying shit like "Ariel is black now, DEAL WITH IT YOU FRICKING SHITLORD!!! I'M REPORTING YOU RACIST FRICK!!!! DIIEEEEEEE"
PATF made a profit and Disney are now doing more with the IP than they've ever done before. I don't know at what stage the narrative developed that it was a bomb, the whole reason it was notable was that it kicked off the revival era.
It bombed at the time and was half the reason Disney stopped doing 2D movies.
IIRC it was moreso that the movie came out at the same time as some big competitor, but it definitely flopped harder than Disney was willing to accept, and the backlash of having the first black Disney princess be a frog for 90% of the movie didn't help.
just think, if wish was 2d and bombed disney would have had a whole new reason to never do any more 2d movies.
Almost tripling its budget, while going up against the highest grossing film of all time to boot, is not a bomb, moron.
Raya should have been a series. They just shoved too much in there for one movie. But Raya as a character was very enjoyable and her VA was great.
I wished I cared more about Asha.
Raya wasn't a princess movie until well after its release.
Wrong. It was designed as a princess movie, her being 'coronated' as such for the merch just means her own line didn't sell well enough. Anna, Elsa and Moana are Disney princesses (see: Wreck It Ralph 2) but their toys move, so they get their own lines.
The songs were awful
He’s right. Hazbin Hotel, an indie animation created from a random girl’s original character doodles that she drew in high school absolutely blew Disney out of the water.
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>Moana 2 is just three episodes of a show string together
Sounds familiar