You have the plot with the main girl discovering her magical powers and wishing to resurrect her parents. The urban fantasy plot about the janitor and nun being demon hunters. The plot about the gentrification of the town, the two evil parents and corrupt priest. Wendell and Wild attempting to escape hell and swindle humans with their resurrection business. Any one of these ideas had more than enough material in it for a good movie. But they should have picked one and done a whole movie on that plot instead of trying to put all of them together in one movie.
This, with the number of plot threads going on, I assume it was originally meant to be a mini-series but was scaled down to a movie. Instead of cutting a plot thread or two out to make the movie more streamline, they just trimmed each and so the movies pacing is rushed and discordant when everything comes together very coincidentally at the end.
This, with the number of plot threads going on, I assume it was originally meant to be a mini-series but was scaled down to a movie. Instead of cutting a plot thread or two out to make the movie more streamline, they just trimmed each and so the movies pacing is rushed and discordant when everything comes together very coincidentally at the end.
These. They should have cut out or reworked some of the demons' plotline to better develop the main story.
>What went wrong compared to Coraline
The whole movie being greenlit by Henry Selick and Netflix as a middle finger to Tim Burton, didn't do it any favors.
To be fair, Tim Burton probably should be flipped off more often. Still, Netflix productions always has something that lowers the quality of whatever it touches. I think it's that they are loose with money and have no standards.
It was rushed and hard to sit through. The social justice messages were crammed down the viewer’s throat rather than interwoven into the storytelling. The main character was an unlikeable c**t.
Couldn't pick a plot/story, and got some garbled mix of not-gothic surreal comedy and something about how the justice system is screwed and big corps feeding on small towns is bad and junk.
personally i think this is a really good movie, almost if not as good as coraline; nonetheless i feel like this movie would be better if it was released as series and explored some topics more, without a rush
Coraline had a pretty tight cast and setting. So it had time to focus on atmosphere, pacing, and Coraline as a character.
Wendell and Wild had some great animation and fun ideas, but it feels like it's adapting a full trilogy of books and trying to wrap it up in one story.
It's not even worth asking rhetorical questions like that. The first two girls vanish from the movie before its half over and the main girl becomes a "redeemed antagonist" so quickly you question if they just rewrote her character and forgot to take out a scene where she was her original bully self. There's stuff in the movie where I swear they had different script versions and the final film edits them together regardless of if they make sense anymore. In one of their first scenes Wendell and Wild show up as worms for a split second and you hear sound effects implying they're responsible for the death of MC's parents, but then that obviously goes nowhere and they give a different explanation. Actual first draft shit ending up in the final movie.
I was astounded by how sloppy the movie was. You'd think with how long it takes to do stop-motion they'd take extra care to make sure the script was perfect. I wouldn't want to animate a frame before I was confident I had a working movie. Even Monkeybone felt more consistent. What a bummer.
>You'd think with how long it takes to do stop-motion they'd take extra care to make sure the script was perfect.
It does take a lot of effort but it's way cheaper than 3D. I guess instead of fixing the script which would cost more money they just went with what they had so they could make more of a profit.
Money’s one thing, but I’m talking about the time investment. Animating stop-motion is more straining because you have to create the camera-ready versions of sets, costumes, character models, and animate all of it to generate maybe a second a day. Given how many stop-motion films use green screen of post-effects work to assist, let’s say 80% of it needs to be ready for when you’re animating a scene. If you are unsure about a joke, you’re going to spend the next three weeks suffering through it. Whereas in CG it may take a comparable amount of time to generate a fully rendered final image, but you could animate a rigging model in a fraction of the time just to get a sense of the timing or character beats.
All this makes it necessary for you to finalize as many things before animation as possible, like the screenplay. Storyboard the whole film and go over it again and again until you know it won’t be a waste. Del Toro’s Pinocchio spent over a year working toward a final script. Wes Anderson shot all of Fantastic Mr Fox as a home movie with live actors before animating anything.
That’s why it’s baffling to me W&W is so thrown together, juggling thirty conflicting subplots and leaving in scenes that get forgotten about or even retconned later in the movie.
Besides the shit story and characters, I can't recall any big animation set pieces. I'm sure from a stop motion technical standpoint it was all very impressive, but compared to Coraline, there's no memorable animation
Coralline’s character designs are ugly, but in a charming and peculiar way where it’s like people out of a Norman Rockwell caricature. W&W is just ugly. Irredeemably ugly.
The central story and concept is just complete nonsense without any real core to it, too many threads all over the place that barely add anything because there's not enough time to really expand upon them. It's just a hodgepodge of half-formed ideas that really needed some pruning. Like even the title being two supporting characters doesn't make much sense.
Even the titular characters were inconsistent as frick. They were mostly fun, decent people but then they just randomly acted evil as frick a couple of times. Made then shit as anti-heroes and unlikable as regular protagonists.
The final act is a travesty, you can literally see the point when they ran out of time and had to think of a big kiddie movie ending. The 'main' plotline gets resolved in a hilariously easy and anticlimactic fashion while the B plot of the movie suddenly becomes the main threat and the whole thing turns into a Disney Channel Movie, while tons of plot threads are left unsolved and unresolved. At least the stop motion animation was nice.
Pacing was utter dogshit, I remember being so hyped for this movie and when I started they had like nothing but introduction scenes and inciting incidents for like 4 different plot points for the first 25 minutes and didn’t actually have any sort of main goal established until almost halfway through.
for supposedly being a flip off to Burton, it misses what was good about his stop motion movies by a mile. Burton's design aren't ugly, they're gothic. This is just straight up ugly. Somehow they made a movie worse than Hell and Back
Jordan Peele
He just voiced a character.
Producer
He went on anti-white tirades on Twitter and was the producer. Even if he hadn't, the movie is inherently anti-white.
>creator said bad things on twitter = movie bad
moron thinking
>He went on anti-white tirades
no he didn't
That might be a reason.
Yes
bump
script
You have the plot with the main girl discovering her magical powers and wishing to resurrect her parents. The urban fantasy plot about the janitor and nun being demon hunters. The plot about the gentrification of the town, the two evil parents and corrupt priest. Wendell and Wild attempting to escape hell and swindle humans with their resurrection business. Any one of these ideas had more than enough material in it for a good movie. But they should have picked one and done a whole movie on that plot instead of trying to put all of them together in one movie.
This, with the number of plot threads going on, I assume it was originally meant to be a mini-series but was scaled down to a movie. Instead of cutting a plot thread or two out to make the movie more streamline, they just trimmed each and so the movies pacing is rushed and discordant when everything comes together very coincidentally at the end.
These. They should have cut out or reworked some of the demons' plotline to better develop the main story.
>What went wrong compared to Coraline
The whole movie being greenlit by Henry Selick and Netflix as a middle finger to Tim Burton, didn't do it any favors.
To be fair, Tim Burton probably should be flipped off more often. Still, Netflix productions always has something that lowers the quality of whatever it touches. I think it's that they are loose with money and have no standards.
Tried juggling to many plotlines and all of them ended up being rushed as such.
It's disgusting. Who would want to see souls being eaten and then coming out of someone's anus? Also, eating hand cream IS FREAKIN' GROSS!
>Who would want to see souls being eaten and then coming out of someone's anus
Does this actually happen?
Yes, and the anus was animated.
I didn't actually like Coraline that much.
It was rushed and hard to sit through. The social justice messages were crammed down the viewer’s throat rather than interwoven into the storytelling. The main character was an unlikeable c**t.
Couldn't pick a plot/story, and got some garbled mix of not-gothic surreal comedy and something about how the justice system is screwed and big corps feeding on small towns is bad and junk.
personally i think this is a really good movie, almost if not as good as coraline; nonetheless i feel like this movie would be better if it was released as series and explored some topics more, without a rush
SM Punk's theme with no Punk.
Coraline had a pretty tight cast and setting. So it had time to focus on atmosphere, pacing, and Coraline as a character.
Wendell and Wild had some great animation and fun ideas, but it feels like it's adapting a full trilogy of books and trying to wrap it up in one story.
>feels like it's adapting a full trilogy of books and trying to wrap it up in one story.
That's pretty much what it is exactly, just that the novel was never released after Netflix optioned the rights.
>Breakcore amen break
Why does the MC treat them like shit despite they being very nice to her
MC is a c**t.
It's not even worth asking rhetorical questions like that. The first two girls vanish from the movie before its half over and the main girl becomes a "redeemed antagonist" so quickly you question if they just rewrote her character and forgot to take out a scene where she was her original bully self. There's stuff in the movie where I swear they had different script versions and the final film edits them together regardless of if they make sense anymore. In one of their first scenes Wendell and Wild show up as worms for a split second and you hear sound effects implying they're responsible for the death of MC's parents, but then that obviously goes nowhere and they give a different explanation. Actual first draft shit ending up in the final movie.
I was astounded by how sloppy the movie was. You'd think with how long it takes to do stop-motion they'd take extra care to make sure the script was perfect. I wouldn't want to animate a frame before I was confident I had a working movie. Even Monkeybone felt more consistent. What a bummer.
>You'd think with how long it takes to do stop-motion they'd take extra care to make sure the script was perfect.
It does take a lot of effort but it's way cheaper than 3D. I guess instead of fixing the script which would cost more money they just went with what they had so they could make more of a profit.
Money’s one thing, but I’m talking about the time investment. Animating stop-motion is more straining because you have to create the camera-ready versions of sets, costumes, character models, and animate all of it to generate maybe a second a day. Given how many stop-motion films use green screen of post-effects work to assist, let’s say 80% of it needs to be ready for when you’re animating a scene. If you are unsure about a joke, you’re going to spend the next three weeks suffering through it. Whereas in CG it may take a comparable amount of time to generate a fully rendered final image, but you could animate a rigging model in a fraction of the time just to get a sense of the timing or character beats.
All this makes it necessary for you to finalize as many things before animation as possible, like the screenplay. Storyboard the whole film and go over it again and again until you know it won’t be a waste. Del Toro’s Pinocchio spent over a year working toward a final script. Wes Anderson shot all of Fantastic Mr Fox as a home movie with live actors before animating anything.
That’s why it’s baffling to me W&W is so thrown together, juggling thirty conflicting subplots and leaving in scenes that get forgotten about or even retconned later in the movie.
They wouldn't even call her by her preferred name. It was back-handed politeness and condescending.
Contemplate the suction.
I HATE their choice to put the nose holes right on top of the nostrils. Might as well have not added them at all.
I never understood why far right looks like Nicki Minaj and her dad looks like Trump
That shit looks ugly as frick, I can't even watch it without wanting to puke.
I watched it more recently than Coraline and barely remember any of it, besides it feeling kinda incomplete.
They should have just done it as a YA books series with Henry Selicks illustrations first, just to build hype.
Besides the shit story and characters, I can't recall any big animation set pieces. I'm sure from a stop motion technical standpoint it was all very impressive, but compared to Coraline, there's no memorable animation
N I G G E R S
Extremely ugly on top of that
But also absolutely no fricking story and extremely predictable garbage
This guy made Coraline why the frick did he choose to go full Black person and then ugly at that?
Coralline’s character designs are ugly, but in a charming and peculiar way where it’s like people out of a Norman Rockwell caricature. W&W is just ugly. Irredeemably ugly.
The central story and concept is just complete nonsense without any real core to it, too many threads all over the place that barely add anything because there's not enough time to really expand upon them. It's just a hodgepodge of half-formed ideas that really needed some pruning. Like even the title being two supporting characters doesn't make much sense.
Even the titular characters were inconsistent as frick. They were mostly fun, decent people but then they just randomly acted evil as frick a couple of times. Made then shit as anti-heroes and unlikable as regular protagonists.
>Make an animated character
>It just looks like the voice actor but maybe a little goofier
How to spot a worthless vanity project from a mile away
It's ugly af. I started watching and gave up like 15 minutes in when I saw the goblina schoolgirls.
I actually thought it looked nice, it was the story that was absolute dogshit.
>goblina schoolgirls
Yeah, they should have focused on this cute little chink instead
Everything
>heard there was a troony character
Didn't even pirate it.
The final act is a travesty, you can literally see the point when they ran out of time and had to think of a big kiddie movie ending. The 'main' plotline gets resolved in a hilariously easy and anticlimactic fashion while the B plot of the movie suddenly becomes the main threat and the whole thing turns into a Disney Channel Movie, while tons of plot threads are left unsolved and unresolved. At least the stop motion animation was nice.
It was apparently an entire book series compressed down to a single short movie and it shows.
what happened to the book?
Pacing was utter dogshit, I remember being so hyped for this movie and when I started they had like nothing but introduction scenes and inciting incidents for like 4 different plot points for the first 25 minutes and didn’t actually have any sort of main goal established until almost halfway through.
for supposedly being a flip off to Burton, it misses what was good about his stop motion movies by a mile. Burton's design aren't ugly, they're gothic. This is just straight up ugly. Somehow they made a movie worse than Hell and Back