As a kid I thought the show was funnier with them. Rewatching as an adult and I think S1 of JB better stood the test of time. The show becomes too zany in s2-3. Johnny's stupidity is dialed up to 11 and the humor becomes less about Johnny as a character and more about the wacky situations they throw him into.
season 1 is pretty hit and miss, more hit and miss but still had annoying episodes
the worst episodes were when johnny gets punished for very little or does everything right and still gets damned
season 2 and 3 just made johnny bravo jerk ass homer but i wasn't really annoyed with it. biggest issue was it sorta got repetitive so you have less memorable episodes
Van Partible was really spiteful about getting kicked off his own show, and the additions the following showrunner (forgot his name, woops) did. I can't say Partible is wrong to feel burnt by CN/Turner/Warner, but the other guy's leadership made the show much better.
I'd really like a video by a non-autistic cartoon fan about the history of Johnny Bravo. It seems like a show with a troubled production and weird decisions behind the scenes. I think the Pops and Carl seasons are the best ones but there's a lot to be said about how good season 1 is as well. Season 4 sucks ass though.
I feel bad for Partible, it must have sucked to get fired and see your idea mutated into something that wasn't your vision. It must suck even more for the majority of people to prefer the other version over yours.Though I think Partible's characterization of Johnny is vastly superior.
I mean classily autistic, like extremely well-researched and in-depth. Not "most-cartoon-youtubers autistic" where it's clear they've never moved past the shows they watched as kids.
Johnny Bravo’s history in a lot of ways mirrors Ren & Stimpy’s: >creator fired after a short run >new showrunner and artists take over >altered/degraded artstyle >fans divided on the changes >years later creator returns and basically kills the IP >potential reboot goes nowhere
>altered/degraded artstyle
Maybe that’s true for Ren and Stimpy but I think Johnny Bravo’s art style was overall more distinct and eye catching in the 2nd and 3rd seasons. Susie is the only exception, she looked like shit but they gradually improved her. I don’t think her design was actually good until the last season.
What was up with the two Partible-made holiday specials, the Christmas and Valentine’s ones? I recall those being aired during the 2nd/3rd season era but they reverted everything back to the season 1 style for those.
At least you can discuss it without a schizo kamikazeing the thread, and the creator hasn't been cancelled to the point each thread may as well be a youtube comments section.
Yes, great characters. I like season 1 a ton, and prefer Johnny's characterization there, but season 2 and 3 are funnier overall and Pops/Carl contributed a lot.
>season 1: Butch Hartman, Seth MacFarlane, Steve Marmel, Michael Ryan >season 2-3: Gene Grillo and Jed Spingarn >season 4: Craig Bartlett, Amy Keating Rogers, Craig Lewis, Adam Pava
The first group needs no further explanation. Grillo and Spingarn went onto Jimmy Neutron and Back at the Barnyard. And the last crew also formed the nucleus of the Foster's Home writers room
Season 2-3 was helmed by Kirk Tingblad of Animaniacs and Pinky and the Brain fame. He bourght many of the same writers with him, including Jed Springarn.
>Its editions you braindead esl
Lol, no it's fricking not. They were good *additions* because they were *added* to the cartoon.
An *Edition* is like an updated reprint of a book, or an editorial magazine.
Nice job being confidently wrong and moronic.
Pops and Carl were both useful as character archetypes for Johnny to bounce off of. Pops was nice to have as a relatively "normal person" and as an actual male figure that Johnny didn't have to be ridiculing or competing with. Carl was useful because he was "smart" but used to show that that didn't make him better or even more capable. Some of my favorite Johnny Bravo stuff was Carl being a useless piece of shit despite ostensibly being "superior" to Johnny in intelligence
Yeah I remember being like 8 and thinking Johnny Bravo season 1 felt like an unfinished pilot and then suddenly season 2 started airing and it was actually a show I could care about.
Absolutely.
Johnny needed more characters to bounce off of, Pops for positivity and Carl for negativity, as opposed to Suzy whose use stretched feasibility.
>Johnny needed more characters to bounce off of
That weren't celebrities or talking animals, mind you
they started drawing little Suzy real ugly for some reason
She's a horrible character no matter how she looks.
Yes
As a kid I thought the show was funnier with them. Rewatching as an adult and I think S1 of JB better stood the test of time. The show becomes too zany in s2-3. Johnny's stupidity is dialed up to 11 and the humor becomes less about Johnny as a character and more about the wacky situations they throw him into.
>the humor becomes less about Johnny as a character and more about the wacky situations they throw him into.
How is that different from the Partible seasons that usually focus on someone else's situation that Johnny ended up stumbling into?
season 1 is pretty hit and miss, more hit and miss but still had annoying episodes
the worst episodes were when johnny gets punished for very little or does everything right and still gets damned
season 2 and 3 just made johnny bravo jerk ass homer but i wasn't really annoyed with it. biggest issue was it sorta got repetitive so you have less memorable episodes
Based
One of the few times where a show is better without the original creator.
I can't really imagine the show without them, so yeah.
Pops was hilarious.
>CLAM ON A STICK
Carl is surprisingly hot for a nerd
Going from season 1 to 2 feels jarring, Carl and Pops just show up with no introduction, amusing that viewers already know who they are.
Also
>different martial arts teacher
>Aron City is never mentioned by name
>that episode from S4 where they make fun of Carl and Pops and Weird Al says Pop’s restaurant is lame
Van Partible was really spiteful about getting kicked off his own show, and the additions the following showrunner (forgot his name, woops) did. I can't say Partible is wrong to feel burnt by CN/Turner/Warner, but the other guy's leadership made the show much better.
100% yes
I'd really like a video by a non-autistic cartoon fan about the history of Johnny Bravo. It seems like a show with a troubled production and weird decisions behind the scenes. I think the Pops and Carl seasons are the best ones but there's a lot to be said about how good season 1 is as well. Season 4 sucks ass though.
I feel bad for Partible, it must have sucked to get fired and see your idea mutated into something that wasn't your vision. It must suck even more for the majority of people to prefer the other version over yours.Though I think Partible's characterization of Johnny is vastly superior.
>non-autistic
You do realize it's generally going to be an autistic person that puts that much effort into something like that, right?
I mean classily autistic, like extremely well-researched and in-depth. Not "most-cartoon-youtubers autistic" where it's clear they've never moved past the shows they watched as kids.
Those groups have a larger overlap than you think.
Partible is very secretive about it too, he never goes in details and still refuses to show the Mess o Blues pilot.
>Season 4 sucks ass though
Run Johnny Run and That’s Entertainment were pretty good.
Johnny Bravo’s history in a lot of ways mirrors Ren & Stimpy’s:
>creator fired after a short run
>new showrunner and artists take over
>altered/degraded artstyle
>fans divided on the changes
>years later creator returns and basically kills the IP
>potential reboot goes nowhere
>altered/degraded artstyle
Maybe that’s true for Ren and Stimpy but I think Johnny Bravo’s art style was overall more distinct and eye catching in the 2nd and 3rd seasons. Susie is the only exception, she looked like shit but they gradually improved her. I don’t think her design was actually good until the last season.
What was up with the two Partible-made holiday specials, the Christmas and Valentine’s ones? I recall those being aired during the 2nd/3rd season era but they reverted everything back to the season 1 style for those.
At least you can discuss it without a schizo kamikazeing the thread, and the creator hasn't been cancelled to the point each thread may as well be a youtube comments section.
Yeah I liked them, Susie can only do so much.
Yes, great characters. I like season 1 a ton, and prefer Johnny's characterization there, but season 2 and 3 are funnier overall and Pops/Carl contributed a lot.
Yes. The seasons without them feel lacking.
They were the best characters in the series.
Van Partible JB and Gary Hartle JB are like two different shows. Savino Dexter and PPG have much more in common with their previous seasons.
Savino PPG yes, but hard disagree with Savino Dexter.
No. When Pops showed up it was always "look at all the horrible food practices." Carl was just the nerd. They added nothing.
Pops was basically Johnny Bravo’s Mr. Krabs, and Carl was SpongeBob (same VA even).
>t. Van Partible
Hard disagree, pops had some funny moments with Johnny like the chips joke.
Season one of JB was fricking awful
JB's writing staffs are interesting
>season 1: Butch Hartman, Seth MacFarlane, Steve Marmel, Michael Ryan
>season 2-3: Gene Grillo and Jed Spingarn
>season 4: Craig Bartlett, Amy Keating Rogers, Craig Lewis, Adam Pava
The first group needs no further explanation. Grillo and Spingarn went onto Jimmy Neutron and Back at the Barnyard. And the last crew also formed the nucleus of the Foster's Home writers room
Season 2-3 was helmed by Kirk Tingblad of Animaniacs and Pinky and the Brain fame. He bourght many of the same writers with him, including Jed Springarn.
>Craig Bartlett
What was the creator of Hey Arnold doing there?
He was working on a pilot for Cartoon Network and did some writing for Johnny Bravo on the side.
>Butch Hartman
>Steve Marmel
>Gene Grillo
>Jed Spingarn
Coincidentally, these four ended up making The Jimmy Timmy Power Hour together.
Why did they bring back Partible for season 4?
>additions
Its editions you braindead esl
>Its editions you braindead esl
Lol, no it's fricking not. They were good *additions* because they were *added* to the cartoon.
An *Edition* is like an updated reprint of a book, or an editorial magazine.
Nice job being confidently wrong and moronic.
Pops and Carl were both useful as character archetypes for Johnny to bounce off of. Pops was nice to have as a relatively "normal person" and as an actual male figure that Johnny didn't have to be ridiculing or competing with. Carl was useful because he was "smart" but used to show that that didn't make him better or even more capable. Some of my favorite Johnny Bravo stuff was Carl being a useless piece of shit despite ostensibly being "superior" to Johnny in intelligence
Yeah I remember being like 8 and thinking Johnny Bravo season 1 felt like an unfinished pilot and then suddenly season 2 started airing and it was actually a show I could care about.