>We're going to get caught. Then hijack a plane mid air, with a crew from another plane. Then we're going to take a body from one plane to the other, and switch the blood - while still mid air mind you - and then we're going to escape the plane using wires and shit
That's quite a mouthful sir, couldn't we just ambush them like, on the ground or something?
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whoa...
i dropped the movie after the plane scene. Literally turned it off
You didn't miss anything since the opening scene is the only good one in the movie.
So you dropped the movie at the end of it? Damn, what a badass.
I've never watched this all the way through. Are the non-meme parts worth it?
Not really, only if Hathaway is your waifu and you're really into corny dialogue and foreshadowing. Worst part of the whole movie is when batman gets out of the pit. The rope was attached to an anchor outside the pit, he could have just climbed up the whole time. It's beyond stupid and can't believe it was even part of the movie.
I thought it was some kind of rigged crane or something.
It's been a long time since I watched it, but wasn't his back injured and he had to recover and get back into shape before he could climb out?
Yes, they should have had it be just that his back was so fricked nobody should have ever even walked again, but nolan had to have it be whimsical and add the part about jumping the gap without the rope being the only way to make it out. It's part of the rocky 3 theme he copied, (victory defeated you, I'm not Afraid of anything, you think that makes you strong? It makes you weak)
Dark Knight > Begins > Rises
Rises is the weakest of the trilogy.
yeah. Watching bruce get out of the pit makes me wanna jump off a cliff(not cause its bad, but because i feel so fricking motivated im gonna survive the fall)
Reminder that there were not only 1 of them registered on the flight plan, bane new this and made the guy stay anyway for no reason. Bane just didn't like that guy.
To elaborate because I'm bored:
>CIA, pavel, and hooded guys board the plane
>CIA: "Call it in" - implying call in the 3 prisoners barring previous instructions
>CIA: "My flight plan with the agency lists me and my men, doctor pavel, but only one of you. First one who talks gets to stay on my aircraft."
>CIA drags hooded man #1 to the open door, asks him about bane to no answer, and then fires his gun next to him, puts him in another part of the plane and goes back to hooded guys #2 and #3
>CIA: "He didn't fly so good!"
Okay, so we've 100% established that he was bluffing about killing them or throwing them out of the plane - and if you think about it that makes sense, if the CIA captures you for intel and are on the way back to some base where you could torture them forever what point is there in killing them even if they aren't talking in the short term? But that's okay. Maybe Bane doesn't know this?
Oh wait.
>Bane: "Perhaps he was wondering why you would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane?"
Bane is right here, and making it obvious that he knows CIA isn't killing them for not talking he's just being theatrical, firing the gun because he thinks it might scare the hooded guys who probably wouldn't hear somebody being thrown out of a plane in the first place.
>The plane shenanigan happens.
>Bane would clearly be able to confirm that both the 2 guys are still on the plane with him in case he had some doubt
>Bane then tells a random goon to stay anyway, because "they expect one of us in the wreckage"
Even though we've established that they definitely expect 3 of them, and that makes the sacrifice totally pointless because Bane was looking for an excuse to get rid of that specific guy for some reason.
He didn’t want to get rid of a goon
He wanted the CIA to think Dr. Paver was dead
No, the corpse they brought along and transfered the blood into was Pavel's double
Anon is right, he just wanted to kill that one guy
it sort of makes sense in that by the time you get a team out there to investigate the crash and start to realize something is wrong the actual plan is so far advanced it doesn't matter.
Why are you here?
what exactly was the plan anyways, make it look like Dr. Pablo died in a plane hijacking?
did Bane just assume nobody would notice that the plane somehow kept flying for several minutes without wings or a tail section?
did Bane just assume nobody would even attempt to identify the bodies using anything besides their blood?
did Bane just assume nobody would question how the single wreckage brother apparently fired hundreds of rounds both inside and outside the plane
I guess you could maybe assume investigators would take a while to notice, but how long did Bane expect the ruse to last?
>"err sir... you're gonna want to see this..."
>"what is it Johnson?"
>"we analysed the black box..."
>"AND? Out with it already!"
>"it seems that the plane... lost its wings and then inverted to a point where it was pointing directly at the ground but somehow maintained its altitude for several minutes"
>"Interesting."
>"I'm beginning to think that maybe all those bullet shells we found embedded in the hull weren't just a quinceanera gone out of hand"
>"No no, it's too early to make that call. For now, this is still an accident but it is a bit suspicious I will admit"
>the coroner ruled the plane crash a suicide.
>I'm beginning to think that maybe all those bullet shells we found embedded in the hull weren't just a quinceanera gone out of hand
frickin lol
Did you even watch the movie? They had to start the fire, moron.
It's a preemptive absurdity defense. Bane makes the plan so complicated because if he got caught no jury in the world would believe the prosecutions case and convict him.
I actually went on a huge thought rabbit hole one time about this very movie thinking about how if somebody planted enough red herrings and fake motives you could easily get off on reasonable doubt because they couldn't prove you absolutely did it. But our court system is basically the one the scarecrow implemented in the movie now so it's no longer a fun thought experiment
DR PAVEL I'M CIA
There has to be one of us in the wreckage brother
If an ambush happened, CIA would call it in, and the whole op would be blown.
You can't put pavels blood in a dead body inside a burning car?
What's the difference between a wrecked plane and a car? CIA would still call it in transporting pavel either way
Doing it MID AIR ON A PLANE is the most elaborate thing you could even come up with
They are ninjas, not spec ops. Ground assault would never work in broad daylight.
How about the fact he can fly a jet to Gotham
the circumstances around the plane crash causes more confusion.
burnt out cars, dead bodies and shell casings points directly to ambush.
what does a swiss cheese bullet holed airplane hull point at?
Door jammed, so they tried to shoot their way out.
And they failed so they used shaped charges to blow the tail off and jump out. Just standard CIA procedure nothing to see here.
you'd have to get a air crash investigation team out to look into it. Bane only cares about obfuscation around the events of the plane up until the explosives are laid in the sewers.
This.
If the team can't identify the strategy in a manner that can link it to a known organization, then they will be caught off guard. They might be able to piece together what happened in the crash, struggle to explain it to their superiors, then have no known org to link the job to and not even understand the motive.
The captured prisoners broke free, and a gunfight broke out. During the shootout, the pilot panicked and the plane crashed with no survivors. Doctor Pavel was killed in the crash.
Bayne was educated in the penal system
he's not very bright
https://www.aff.gov/
>Utilizing geolocation and data communications devices installed in government-registered aircraft. AFF tracks position speed, altitude, and heading, and transmits the data via satellite to a ground-based flight-monitoring system. AFF tracks contract aircraft around the globe.
Completely destroys the premise of the CIA plane crash being faked as a hijacking
if we are taking this movie that seriously then there are a few other things that would have given it away too.
In literally the first few flights of flight school you're taught several different transponder codes for various situations. By default or for VFR only operations you'd have to squak (set your transponder code) to 1200 - this allows ATC to recognize that you're in the area but they don't actively keep track of you since you're on VFR or visual flight rules.
Other codes that are specific to emergencies can be punched in as well including 7600 for radio malfunctions, 7500 for a hijacking, or 7700 for a more generalized distress code.
If this is a CIA plane and its flying without a transponder the ELT would have almost immediately tripped the second the plane had its wings ripped off and this automatically broadcasts a signal on a frequency that is constantly monitored regardless of which country you're in (121.5 MHz).
On top of that, I can't imagine the CIA is this incompetent, then again, they do pretty sloppy work across the board.
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why would we take the word of a drunk?
This is NASA globe earth misinformation, please disregard it
Go gaan somewhere else
>pumping a tiny bit of Dr. pavel's blood is enough to make people think Dr Pavel is dead
This whole sequence is moronic from start to finish, but the "airplane crash" was perhaps the most moronic thing of them all.
My favourite thing is that the changing the blood doesn't even kind of make sense.
Like there is no factual basis for that to have been born from. No one uses blood to identify people or corpses. Decades of police procedurals have told everyone that corpses are identified by their dental records if the face is too messed up and fingerprints aren't available/recoverable. If dental records can't be obtained due to the state of the corpse, they do a dna test on flesh. They don't look for globs of blood (as if you could change 100% of someone's blood in 20 seconds)
It seems ridiculous that either 1. No one mentioned this despite the numerous people that would have read the script in advance of this being filmed or 2. Nolan was made aware of this and just chose to ignore it because he has zero artistic integrity and it seemed like a real thing in his dumbass brain
Im no doctor but doesn't the blood go to your organs too when you die and your heart stops pumping? isnt that why you get blue hands and feet?
I have no idea. Organs do tend to have a lot of blood it's true. But they don't test blood for dna because blood is really bad at holding it.
They'd test the actual tissue matter which is a lot easier to test, and is an actual solid that can easily be verified.
Probably not pulverised.
The ground is grassland/fields and the skull would be protecting them. But you're right that the jaw would likely be too messed up for the records to match anything.
The teeth would be pulverized from a crash from that altitude.
Also it was a prepared body, so we can assume the teeth were rigged. They could falsify the dental or remove teeth entirely.
they could just plead comic movie logic, but it seems obvious nobody actually cared about that aspect of it. Especially since you could just have Bane say something like "Your Twin brother's sacrifice will not be in vain! "
Would you really want that instead of what we got though?
Remember:
>the real friends are the plane scenes we memed along the way.
My favorite part of the plane scene was where it memed an actual plane crash.
It was to fake Doctor Pavel's death, not one of his goons. He could have made the guys teeth look like pavels before hand but the blood tells us he is faking a death, its cinematic language
Why did they expect someone in the wreckage?
CIA called in one of them
wait why the frick didn't he call them all in?
was CIA moronic?
they don't get to bring friends.
So his plan was to murder the rest and throw them off the plane
or explain to his superiors at the airport how the frick he "forgot" to call them in?? this scene is making less and less sense
His plan was to introduce a woman into their friend-group so they would all become bitter enemies before the plane landed.
No, he wasn't going to shoot them before throwing them out of the plane. He was bluffing with the gunshot.
He didn't realize he had a big guy onboard.
He lost all of his friends when he gave up his civilian life and he was desperate to bring new friends home with him. He actually called in a reservation at TGI Fridays
why the frick didn't they bring some more fricking bodies instead of being moron
moronic*
>"Get 'em on board, I'll call Ittin"
>"The flight plan I just filed with the Aegean Sea lists me, my men, Dr. Pavel here, but only one of you"
Do you just ignore dialog?
>who would shoot a man = killing them is a bluff
>they expect all of us in the wreckage
>kills his own man for no reason
>they expect one of us in the wreckage
Will they expect a shitload of bullet holes or does nolan think the plane will just vaporize?
How does a genius like you crash planes with no survivors?
I agree, Bane's plan would have been more effective if he had used targeted energy weapons mounted on satellites.
I've worked as a crash investigator for 37 years, and from my experience, you can't distinguish between bullet holes and rocks penetrating the hull from the crash.
No. We have to find out what Dr. Pavel told CIA.
*trump*
I've heard people call it a plot hole that if Bane cared enough about the plane crash being investigated to transfuse Pavel's blood to a decoy then then the bigger mistake was tearing the plane apart because the debris would be spread out over a much larger area than a normal plane crash. The thing is the debris COULD be explained via momentum. The distance a plane could travel horizontally, as if its wings broke in flight, versus vertically (being dropped from the harness). Wind and atmospheric pressure aside, a plummeting plane would likely descend faster than a coasting plane which would reach max velocity sooner therefore would travel farther horizontally. So in order to maintain the illusion of catastrophic structural failure (perhaps) they literally did the math to figure out how long they could drag an upended plane until it no longer resembled an accident. Nolan is VERY time-oriented and I would bet that that scene falls EXACTLY in the window of margin of error for such a disaster.
>Plane does a circle over the 5 minute scene and drops it back where the wings initially broke off
It's not that complicated.
I'm just wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane
At least you can get dubs
it doesn't matter who gets trips
what matters is these quads
I showed this scene to a zoomer last week and she made me play it over a few times because she couldn't believe how moronic it was. She kept asking if it was a parody of a real Batman movie.
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