stormtroopers are from the 70s
those droids are from the same time period than the Orcs and Uruk Hai, so there is no excuse to put those lame and totally not frightening villains
>And even the orcs had their fair share of quips and comedic relief.
True, but they mean business when they were supposed to mean business, those droids? cannot be taken seriously, just Lucas being a lazy c**t
My point is that whether it's the OT, prequels, or sequels, there's always going to be non-threatening, goofy henchmen for the protagonists to slaughter, so to act like the droids were a departure from the norm isn't really accurate.
Because it makes sense. Look at how cheap those guys look to make. They're little twigs with blasters, easy to make, easy to transport. Perfect for setting up massive deployment. This is exactly what a futuristic soulless bugmen trading federation would look like. Massive production while minimizing cost.
Plus they almost won the battle in the first movie they're introduced.
If Lucas was trying to make them seem like a viable threat, he failed miserably. It’s clear from the jump that they’re controlled opposition, and that Sheev can pull the plug at any time he wants, so it makes the entirety of the Clone Wars feel like a huge anime filler arc, where the plot is just kind of spinning out in the mud. It doesn’t help that the “villains” are a bunch of cowardly and goofy muppets and cartoon robots being led by a feeble-looking old man. I actually kind of spent the whole time kind of feeling sorry for them.
If they had either made Grievous act as badass as his character design initially seemed to imply, or keep Maul around, and make him Dooku’s enforcer, then we might have had something to work with.
Or, at absolute minimum, just don’t let the Battle Droids talk.
Cloners should have been the primary villains/antagonists. Hidding in the shadows, assassinations and cloned replacements of key political figures. Unrelated conflicts flare up all over the galaxy. By deception shall they wage war.
>Were the separatists the good guys?
Yes. They believed in the sanctity of life instead of whatever that Frankenstein stem cell clone army was supposed to represent.
Separatists >let's use droids for our army because every life is sacred
Republic >it doesn't matter how many thinking, feeling clones we send to their deaths, we can always get more haha
Yeah, they were fighting for their freedom from a Republic that was rotten to the core. They weren't even the aggressors. The war started when the Jedi, a shadowy group that seems to be above the laws, invaded an independent planet with an unsanctioned army.
>noooooo you can’t have an army and enforce your laws enacted by a democratically elected government only we can have a military to assrape people’s wallets with our monopolies and guilds
all rebels must hang
the CIS had noble intentions (split from the republic) but they were twisted into a war with ruthless generals and leaders (Dooku, Grievous)
they were being run by the sith wihout their knowledge, but the individual senators cared about their people, you see this in the bad batch where a separatist senator speaks out against the empire, because he believes its not right for his people
The whole idea was for them to have enough legitimate political grievances to pull factions to their side, while also being such massive war criminal c**ts that the Jedi simply could not stay out of the war.
>were the controlled opposition faction publicly led by greedy MIC corpocrats and international finance united behind a murderous cyborg monster and wizards powered by evil… le good guys?
No, decentralisation is by its very nature evil. They should have staged a coup if they wanted results.
No, they were just useful idiots for Palp.
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Why did lucas made those guys so cartoonish, were you supposed to "fear" and hate those bots or something
Because star wars is for kids
As opposed to the stormtroopers that are the most disposable and brainless mooks ever?
stormtroopers are from the 70s
those droids are from the same time period than the Orcs and Uruk Hai, so there is no excuse to put those lame and totally not frightening villains
I don't think LOTR is the ruler against which all other films are measured. And even the orcs had their fair share of quips and comedic relief.
>And even the orcs had their fair share of quips and comedic relief.
True, but they mean business when they were supposed to mean business, those droids? cannot be taken seriously, just Lucas being a lazy c**t
My point is that whether it's the OT, prequels, or sequels, there's always going to be non-threatening, goofy henchmen for the protagonists to slaughter, so to act like the droids were a departure from the norm isn't really accurate.
The stormtroopers were at their best in the force awakens.
That was only to make Finn seem more like a badass. I know it sounds weird.
But it's kind of like just the mention of Knights of Ren. You don't see them really, but they do make Kylo seem more badass.
wtf is a mook?
short for jamoke
because in his own words "It's a film for twelve year olds"
they were only pretty moronic and mostly useless in TPM but by ROTS and TCW they had become like a parody of theirselves
Because it makes sense. Look at how cheap those guys look to make. They're little twigs with blasters, easy to make, easy to transport. Perfect for setting up massive deployment. This is exactly what a futuristic soulless bugmen trading federation would look like. Massive production while minimizing cost.
Plus they almost won the battle in the first movie they're introduced.
to sell toys
Because the Trade Federation were always just the useful idiots for the real villain that was Sidious.
If Lucas was trying to make them seem like a viable threat, he failed miserably. It’s clear from the jump that they’re controlled opposition, and that Sheev can pull the plug at any time he wants, so it makes the entirety of the Clone Wars feel like a huge anime filler arc, where the plot is just kind of spinning out in the mud. It doesn’t help that the “villains” are a bunch of cowardly and goofy muppets and cartoon robots being led by a feeble-looking old man. I actually kind of spent the whole time kind of feeling sorry for them.
If they had either made Grievous act as badass as his character design initially seemed to imply, or keep Maul around, and make him Dooku’s enforcer, then we might have had something to work with.
Or, at absolute minimum, just don’t let the Battle Droids talk.
Cloners should have been the primary villains/antagonists. Hidding in the shadows, assassinations and cloned replacements of key political figures. Unrelated conflicts flare up all over the galaxy. By deception shall they wage war.
Are you forgetting CW03? And the books and comics that followed it?
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>Were the separatists the good guys?
Yes. They believed in the sanctity of life instead of whatever that Frankenstein stem cell clone army was supposed to represent.
Separatists
>let's use droids for our army because every life is sacred
Republic
>it doesn't matter how many thinking, feeling clones we send to their deaths, we can always get more haha
You tell me, OP
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Yeah, they were fighting for their freedom from a Republic that was rotten to the core. They weren't even the aggressors. The war started when the Jedi, a shadowy group that seems to be above the laws, invaded an independent planet with an unsanctioned army.
>noooooo you can’t have an army and enforce your laws enacted by a democratically elected government only we can have a military to assrape people’s wallets with our monopolies and guilds
all rebels must hang
For what reason would you make complicated biped robots that have to carry the guns?
Wouldn't automated turrets make more sense?
>wouldn't automated turrets make more sense?
in some contexts, yes
The droids carry out other roles as well, they’re meant to be able to fill all the roles a soldier could
they were an allegory for the confederacy fromn the american civil war so yes
the CIS had noble intentions (split from the republic) but they were twisted into a war with ruthless generals and leaders (Dooku, Grievous)
they were being run by the sith wihout their knowledge, but the individual senators cared about their people, you see this in the bad batch where a separatist senator speaks out against the empire, because he believes its not right for his people
yes they were
Literal controlled opposition.
The whole idea was for them to have enough legitimate political grievances to pull factions to their side, while also being such massive war criminal c**ts that the Jedi simply could not stay out of the war.
>george literally names characters dark oppressor mcbadman
>who are the good guys?
>were the controlled opposition faction publicly led by greedy MIC corpocrats and international finance united behind a murderous cyborg monster and wizards powered by evil… le good guys?