What a refreshing show this was. We will probably not see its like again in a long while.
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What a refreshing show this was. We will probably not see its like again in a long while.
What a refreshing show this was. We will probably not see its like again in a long while.
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The British guys voice was cool.
Theres no way I could commit seppuku, how intense do you have to be to cut yourself with a razor, let alone a sword then slide it yourself?
Agree. My first, cynical, interpretation of the show was "holy frick you people really throw yourselves on the blade for pretty much anything huh?".
I got the sense that life had insanely little value, but it was contextualized nicely as the show went on.
Read the Hagakure. It's not that life had no value, quite the opposite. Life had a value so intense that death was the only way to maintain its respect. Seppeku was committed due to dishonoring life itself through shameful action. It was a practice designed to maintain the sanctity and honor of life. The life of the Clan, of the Lord, of life itself.
Yeah, as I watched I slowly went from the realization that these people aren't quick to kill themselves, they value life so much that it is better to die than to defile that. It's almost kinda romantic in a twisted way.
they don't value life they value honour. the act of killing your entire bloodline is anti-life, it is going against your biological purpose for existing. it is about self respect and honour, they would rather die and permanently die (no children) to atone
In short: small dick energy
I think it is more favorable the way we treat things now, but we have lost much of this concept of honoring life. They had too little forgiveness and we have too much. So while I wouldn't recommend a return to the ways of the Samurai, it is tragic that we've lost sight of the balance.
There was indeed a beauty behind the brutality.
Based Hagakure enjoyer
Everyone on Cinemaphile should read the bit about "spirit of an era"
A few days ago on the train I saw a beautiful pajeeta (like 9/10 which is rare for indian girls) and since I never fricked a pajeeta and developed a fetish for them through porn I was like shieet here is my chance, she kept looking at me so I autistically did nothing, had to change trains because the one I was on didn't stop where I wanted, so I made an oath that if she also changed trains I'll talk to her on the station, and lo and behold not only did she descend from the train she also got on the same train as me and sat in the same wagon so this is clearly a sign from god to move my ass and talk to her, so I autistically did nothing again.
Believe me when I tell you I thought about seppuku when I got home.
In accordance with the Way, you did nothing wrong. You stopped yourself because your intentions were not pure. You fetishized her and just wanted to frick her. Had you thought, this is the love of my life, you would have moved. No Samurai would have recommended seppeku to you for this act, you did the right thing.
I will be your second. (something similar happened to me too)
>muh undying honoru folded over a thousanderu times under the shadow of mount Fuji
Meanwhile in the actual battle of Sekigahara
>desertions and fence sitters left and right
>opportunists quick to jump ship the instant the battle seems to go the other way
I'm starting to think these Japponese and their loyalty aren't all they're made to be
Societal norms always break down when shit hits the fan.
weeb
Absolute and utter bullshit, I've got one life to live, I'll make the best out of it. Frick you and your hagahako and anything else that would justify a fully functional, healthy guy to embarrassingly kill himself for LE LORD LE CLAN LE LIFE. You morons revere the life of a honey bee, you should have been born as one. On a second thought, yeah, hagagaro is great, follow it next time anyone around you embarrasses themselves.
Are you making the best out of your life by being a moronic crybaby on Cinemaphile?
At this very moment, yes, I'm sitting with my sweaty balls having an ice cold milk and whey, having a dab on some natural born slaves, then gonna take the dog out for a run in the forest if it stops raining, gonna be swell if we can find some mud to wrestle in.
yawn
There were also variants with multiple cuts.
Hagakure is one big cope by a dude that hasn't actually done shit. He was a scribe that was never in actual combat and just went to idealise it without an end.
The memes about katanas and loyalty were (mostly) born out of the excessive peacefulness of the Edo period and having to somehow contain the warrior caste despite that, and a propaganda machine of Meji period.
Dishonarabu
This show has been in the making since ten years ago is the reason it is good,no good thing will ever made again
This.
The only reason this show was spared was because it has been "in the making" for so long that it almost predates modern slop.
It was a remake btw you absolute fricking cancer...
*improvement
I don't get it, its literally a story for fat single women, are women real are you a women?
Or are you one of those fricking homosexual that claims that the notebook is good
A remake of an adaptation and it's better than the 80s one.
> Just mindlessly give your life to your ruler bro; because he will bring union and peace to the land bro.
t's blatant zog propaganda but remniscient of the times where zog propaganda was actually good.
>loyalty to your people and nation is ZOG
I swear you newbies miss the point and are total fricking mouth breathers every time.
> Loyalty to your people equals loyalty to your self serving warlord.
Go die for hisrael now amerimutt.
Whats your perfect government that stands for an ethnic people then homosexual? Dont go giving me some libertarian larp while b***hing about zog. Whats what real tribalism is you weak pathetic homosexual. Keep drinking the individualism koolaids they feed your out the other hand as they feed marxism to the rest. Dumb newhomosexual
That warlord shit kept Japan an isolated homogenous nation
Nothing really happened in it, but Anna Sawai was cute.
>Nothing really happened
How do you figure?
>stall for time
>stall for time
>stall for time
>stall for time
>lol, I burned his ship coz he's funny
>and I predict I'll win in a month coz reasons.
>getting filtered by writing this basic
He answered your question. Shouting PEEPEE POOPOO doesn't change the fact that nothing happened in Shogun.
That doesn't necessarily make it a bad show, but it certainly leaves a bad taste afterwards.
Let me guess, it’s because there’s no blacks or pocs
Literally 99.9% of the cast are people of color.
The only minority in the show is, ironically enough, a straight white dude.
How is it compared to that 80s version?
Much better if you like the books.
>you don't get it dying in a war and putting your family in poverty and your wife fricking another guy months after your funeral is totally like...saving them! dying for your country is saving your family somehow...
is this the worst, most moronic piece of propaganda in history?
If everyone is a selfish butthole that only cares about themselves then society collapses
good cattle, give your life for a state that uses you for tithe and sacrifice your family. ill be a coward if shit ever hits the fan and i will be jealous of people like you. godspeed
I'm not talking about current society
Frick that, I wouldn't fight anything or anyone for the current state of the world
I would, however, follow a man like Toranaga and support a society like feudal Japan's or Europe's
>I would, however, follow a man like Toranaga and support a society like feudal Japan's or Europe's
>i would rather be a peasant serf slave moron
g-g-g-g-g-GOYIM x10000
Slavery was outlawed in Japan
Peasants lived better than modern cattle "people"
A peasant became the ruler of the entire country
>Peasants lived better than modern cattle "people"
feudal lords were legally allowed to rape the wives of anyone of low status btw. you can't even have a hot wife as a serf
>be loyal for people who use you and hurt you and don't benefit you
oh wow thanks goy i see the light. i think im going to sign up and protect israel from the evil iranian fascists, if i die at least someone will take care of my wife for me! yippee!
Deflowering was an European tradition. Japanese lords did not do this.
You are also dense. The exact problem with today's world, is that to serve your Lord is impossible, because those who "rule," are only in it for themselves, just like everyone beneath them. Feudal society was not pretty, but the concepts were totally different. Everyone served the community, not themselves, and those who did, were quickly killed.
>and those who did, were quickly killed.
or they were the people who ruled communities. not everyone is a homosexual like you who needs protecting in a herd like a fricking animal. you disgust me unironically
>Deflowering was an European tradition. Japanese lords did not do this.
nah it wasn't, taking their weapons was though kek
Lord's got killed all the time if they failed in their duties. What do you think the "feud" in feudalism meant? Samurai killed many Lord's who failed in their duties, and became Lord's themselves.
>Samurai killed many Lord's who failed in their duties
yeah sorry your idea of japan isn't real. a lord isn't beholden to be a good person and never has throughout all of history. the only time the dysgenics have power is when an elite populist leader gives them the tools to use it for their own ends. samurai were a warrior caste which at one point was royalty but any time they took power it was for their own gain not some sense of "duty". people use concepts like religion and honour to consult power or for political ends. not to say that there weren't people who waged war for religion or honour or love or things like that, just that it didn't happen as much as we think. it's a romanticisation of history
He said duties, not good person, you moronic homosexual
You clearly have no fricking clue what you're talking about and are butthurt people who actually do are schooling you
It's called the societal contract, enforce it or die.
thanks for the input autist, id like fries with my big mac
This anon here
Said all that needed to be said. I am not talking about being a "good person" in the way you are thinking about it. I am talking about duty. Duty in feudal Japan was thought of as that which promoted survival and respected all castes in accordance with their roles. If a lord was abusing the peasants too often, or belittling their station, or any one in between, he inevitably caused enough discord and resentment throughout the domain to wind up getting killed. And this was, in a roundabout way, about the promotion of the "good;" he harmed the community, and thus he was no longer allowed to be Lord. Nature took its course and he was killed by someone who knew what duty, loyalty, and selfless service meant. What we think of as good today is self serving. Just, like, you.
yeah you and him are both moronic. vague words like "duties" are just hiding that you're a virgin weeb. you are nothing and you're also stupid. at least most goyim like you aren't this moronic
>mom I learned a new word I'm gonna post it on the scary hacker website Cinemaphile
Fricking 12 year old moron
are you going to expand on what duties mean or are you afraid to make an argument that isn't unfalsifiable and circular? you're genuinely abo tier stupid
Duty means selfless service.
ok can you give me more details, this is still circular logic. ill even give you a hint little guy: you are being too subjective and every answer you have justifies itself (aka not based in reality). the way you think is literally the opposite of what you would be expected to do in an IQ test. it's almost sad
Well for starters they stopped the Mongols from invading, where they would have burned, raped, pillaged and slaughtered the locals. If it was a modern government they would have let them all in, encouraged such behavior and jailed anyone who spoke out against it.
How about we do this instead. You lay out what you think makes more sense, and I'll pick that apart.
what makes sense: the most powerful people in the world use culture as a front to serve their own interests. look: israelites letting arabs on hang gliders cross the most monitored and militarised border in the world and letting hundreds of their own people get raped and killed so they can fulfil their political agendas, despite having a religion, culture and shared 2000 year history of unity and community/family oriented values. if you can find me an example of a ruler who didn't use their citizens as a tax machine i will concede everything. just a single real example on a wide scale
All the rulers who presided over golden ages didn't see their citizens or cultures as mere tax machines. Every citizen has always been taxed because that's how communities work. Taxes aren't bad by themselves. It's funny you're accusing others of living in fantasyland but have this standard of "taxes mean it's all a front"
>feudal lords were legally allowed to rape the wives of anyone of low status btw. you can't even have a hot wife as a serf
Prima Nocta is a myth pushed by hollywood
You've no concept of loyalty or selfless service.
>You've no concept of loyalty or selfless service.
that's exactly the point he's trying to make, antboy
Based. This is the same reason for my absolute loyalty to George Soros.
>Life has NEVER been good
>Societies have ALWAYS been awful
>Nobody has ever OWNED ANYTHING
>There have NEVER been any great men in history
>A homogenous orderly society of your own people ISN'T worth self sacrifice
israelite
don't be so sure
Literally me
>in a long while
If at all.
>We will probably not see its like again in a long while
It seems like there's at least one really good show, or the season continuation of a really good show, most people like that comes out at least every other year. The death of good TV is overstated.
protty slop in a kimono
#AsianExcellence
What a ride this show was, the more i think about it the more i like the finale.
How is Blue Eyed Samurai? I'm in the mood for more samurais.
I greatly enjoyed watching Anna Sawai as a compelling and interesting character after the horseshit character she had to play in the horseshit show Monarch was.
This. I watched Monarch a few months ago and a lot of the characters were just flatout boring.