i had both prometheus and covenant and i threw them both into the trash after watching them. i personally dont acknowledge them as canon because theyre not
In that case the first movie isn't either. The script and other ideas got reworked pretty hard by the studio.
Here's o'bannon's concept for the alien btw.
Giler and Hill get credit for Ash, the rest is O'Bannon. He created the story, just like Tolkien. How movie studios handle the production is irrelevant.
It had a lot of potential conceptually, but: >Supposed scientists acted like a bunch of drunken frat boys >Muh cristianity >Ridley Scott dropped a bunch of important plot from the script >Ship runs Windows 7 >Illogical progression of events >Like the facehugger inexplicably grows to the size of horse, locked inside a room with nothing else in it?
Basically the whole script and production was watered down to creatge a dopamine hit for millennials with a malfunctioning frontal lobe
people will ask "they got guns, why dont they just shoot it?"
but if the alien gets shot then the movie is over, so we have to come up with a good, plausable reason why they fail to shoot it.
Ridley solved this writing problem with actual farce
i used to not hate it, then on two recent attempts at a rewatch, i kept noticing more and more stupid bullshit that keeps pulling me out. like the set design and costumes look way too futuristic considering its in the Alien universe, and no, the guy being hyperrich doenst mean we're centuries ahead in technology and all the crew knows how to use and has been briefed to use this tech that doesnt exist in their own fields of work and expertise. in fact, they get briefed only after they already decided to loose a couple of years of their life on a whim. this movie would improve by an iota if it werent connected and you cut out all the facehugger and xenomorph stuff. going out to the universe and find your creator/god is a good enough concept to stand on its own feet.
Prometheus made me appreciate Alien3 and Resurrection a lot more. Resurrection especially, knows its goofy but its still interesting and a solid action scifi movie with great visuals.
More like re-discovered it. The engineers still ''made'' them.
It's somewhat safe to assume that the form is always similar because the engineers are the prime humanoids that they base their other planet-based lifeforms on, including humans, so xenos will always have the xeno form and their procreation methods are designed to frick humanoids (though they can infect other species, the point I think is to horrify the humanoids the most).
Scott's influence on this franchise is weak, and if you watched the documentaries of both movies you could read between the line how production changed the story and he couldn't do anything about. Two movies titles ALIEN, and there's nothing about an alien.
It was half-ecplained in Alien when the acid stops burning through the ship, and more fully explained in Aliens that the acidic blood oxidizes upon death or some similar bs., rendering it inert
it didn't melt through the floor so Ash put it in a container. It didn't melt the container, so Ash prodded it with a probe. It didn't melt the probe so Ash- you see where I'm going with this, right?
Alien Covenant is not worse, it's exactly as moronic. The only issue is that it managed to disappoint fans of Prometheus, the only people who could have liked it
I knew you'd say that and it's a bad argument. Why does the magic wand even exist, why didn't they use it the fix the hand or the face? Why does a magic wand that fixes androids exist but a human who just had a c-section only gets staples?
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Why wouldn't it exist? Androids were made by humans. Fixing machines is easier than medicine.
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The auto surgery table literally closes whatserface up with staples that wouldn't seem out of place today. On the other hand there's a magic wand that allows anybody to fix the most extreme injuries on advanced androids.
Yeah ok.
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>most extreme injuries
She just reattached his head that worked already.
That movie is the living proof that the "fans" of alien franchise are nothing more than horror-morono idiots on the same level than fans of saw >"NUUUU WER IZ MUH XENO!! GIB MEEE ALIEN MONSTERE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
People's biggest criticism of Prometheus isn't that there's no Xenomorph, it's that it shouldn't be an Alien movie at all
If you made a Friday the 13th movie that was about unrelated incident that didn't involve a serial killer or anything, but then Jason's mom shows up for a few scenes, people would just be confused as hell and asking what the point was
Filtered, stick to Aliens.
Asking "What's the meaning of life???" does not make a movie deep
yeah but answering it does.
I like my water sparling clean, swamp-drinker.
Aliens is unironically a better movie
Much better.
>incompetent crew despite their educated background
>good
ok brainlet
Aliens is good though. I don't understand
i had both prometheus and covenant and i threw them both into the trash after watching them. i personally dont acknowledge them as canon because theyre not
They're canon whether you like it or not.
It ain't canon if it ain't O'Bannon.
In that case the first movie isn't either. The script and other ideas got reworked pretty hard by the studio.
Here's o'bannon's concept for the alien btw.
>Escher did it better
Wow no way, what an argument
Giger. And that was on Ridley for discovering his work.
My point was mainly about the writing though, which you conveniently ignored.
Giler and Hill get credit for Ash, the rest is O'Bannon. He created the story, just like Tolkien. How movie studios handle the production is irrelevant.
>How movie studios handle the production is irrelevant.
That is incredibly naive.
Amazon gets to decide what's canon in LotR?
The plot is pretty good and the imagery as well.
I wish Covenant was not Ayylmao, but Prometheus instead. The movie warranted a more satisfying sequel, not more LOST-style wienerteasing instead.
Prometheus never should have been an Alien movie
I liked the part where he invented fire
He didn't fricking invent it, troglodyte, he just gave it to mankind. Watch the fricking movie ffs.
Duck off I liked it
Yes.
It was a lousy horror movie masquerading as science fiction and taking a huge dump on the source material.
>taking a huge dump on the source material
The bonus situation?
POAR THE TEA, DAVID
>terrible film
You should see Covenant
This was one of the BEST looking shitty movies ever made.
filtered, stick to downton abbey nerd
It had a lot of potential conceptually, but:
>Supposed scientists acted like a bunch of drunken frat boys
>Muh cristianity
>Ridley Scott dropped a bunch of important plot from the script
>Ship runs Windows 7
>Illogical progression of events
>Like the facehugger inexplicably grows to the size of horse, locked inside a room with nothing else in it?
Basically the whole script and production was watered down to creatge a dopamine hit for millennials with a malfunctioning frontal lobe
>Muh cristianity
Lol, it's always fedoras seething about these movies.
>up and running around minutes after a c-section.
>feral space zombies
>Gotta have that white woman fricking a random Black person scene.
have that white woman fricking a random Black person scene.
I forgot about that, they were obviously hugely attracted to each other.
Smollet is gay, so that acting job should have gone to a straight dude. Thanks, Ridley.
moronic movie
moronicer sequel
it just portrays women realistically
why is it movies fault?
people will ask "they got guns, why dont they just shoot it?"
but if the alien gets shot then the movie is over, so we have to come up with a good, plausable reason why they fail to shoot it.
Ridley solved this writing problem with actual farce
>everyone has to be a clumsy moron in order for the monster to be scary
Um, those are women.
i used to not hate it, then on two recent attempts at a rewatch, i kept noticing more and more stupid bullshit that keeps pulling me out. like the set design and costumes look way too futuristic considering its in the Alien universe, and no, the guy being hyperrich doenst mean we're centuries ahead in technology and all the crew knows how to use and has been briefed to use this tech that doesnt exist in their own fields of work and expertise. in fact, they get briefed only after they already decided to loose a couple of years of their life on a whim. this movie would improve by an iota if it werent connected and you cut out all the facehugger and xenomorph stuff. going out to the universe and find your creator/god is a good enough concept to stand on its own feet.
Prometheus made me appreciate Alien3 and Resurrection a lot more. Resurrection especially, knows its goofy but its still interesting and a solid action scifi movie with great visuals.
friendly reminder time!
These prequels have done nothing to add to Alien, but everything to diminish every aspect of it.
Aliens diminished the creature, the prequels fixed it.
>le quip robot made it
what a fix
More like re-discovered it. The engineers still ''made'' them.
It's somewhat safe to assume that the form is always similar because the engineers are the prime humanoids that they base their other planet-based lifeforms on, including humans, so xenos will always have the xeno form and their procreation methods are designed to frick humanoids (though they can infect other species, the point I think is to horrify the humanoids the most).
The thing is he didn't make it from scratch.
The parts without humans acting moronic are comfy
Scott's influence on this franchise is weak, and if you watched the documentaries of both movies you could read between the line how production changed the story and he couldn't do anything about. Two movies titles ALIEN, and there's nothing about an alien.
Guys in the first alien movie why were they dissecting an alien that could bleed acid with no protective gear on?
It was half-ecplained in Alien when the acid stops burning through the ship, and more fully explained in Aliens that the acidic blood oxidizes upon death or some similar bs., rendering it inert
I mean they didnt know that when they were dissecting it did they?
it didn't melt through the floor so Ash put it in a container. It didn't melt the container, so Ash prodded it with a probe. It didn't melt the probe so Ash- you see where I'm going with this, right?
Man scientists dont do shit without goggles with chemicals we have a complete understanding of, let alone completely alien life forms
I don't think Ash cared, do you?
Yes
I enjoyed it. It was certainly better than Alien Covenant.
Last film I ever went to the cinema to watch. Put me off going to the cinema for ever.
understandable. you haven't missed much tbh
>Last film I ever went to the cinema to watch. Put me off going to the cinema for ever.
Literally same here wtf
>plebs witness kino on the big screen and get filtered so hard it traumatized them
Lmao.
About fricking time
how well does spray painted plastic hold up to airlock doors?
i love casually enjoying things that make the autist manchildren on this website seethe
and that's your whole personality?
Alien > Prometheus = Covenant > Alien 3 > Aliens > the rest, comic books and games or whatever the frick else exists
I'm not doing fricking cinematic algebra bro, leave out the equal sign
i'm not your bro you homosexual spic
I'm not doing fricking cinematic algebra sister, leave out the equal sign
Fix your bot.
>I'm not doing fricking cinematic algebra bot, leave out the equal sign
Stop spamming, bot.
You don't like it when people do that? Maybe you can learn a lesson from it, cumbrain.
>Alien > Prometheus = Covenant > Alien 3 > Aliens > the rest
>=
hahahahahahaha you fricking spaz
shit taste, modern ones are mediocre and 3 should've never happend
>dont name the movie alien so morons wouldnt compare it to alien
>dumabsses hate it because its not alien
maybe we dont deserve nice things
I hate it because it's bad
Why is it in the Alien universe?
Even though the story is fricking moronic, I still liked it more than Aliens.
Alien Covenant is not worse, it's exactly as moronic. The only issue is that it managed to disappoint fans of Prometheus, the only people who could have liked it
>Alien Covenant is not worse
How did she fix the robot, anon? How?
Oh a magic wand that's ok then
I knew you'd say that and it's a bad argument. Why does the magic wand even exist, why didn't they use it the fix the hand or the face? Why does a magic wand that fixes androids exist but a human who just had a c-section only gets staples?
Why wouldn't it exist? Androids were made by humans. Fixing machines is easier than medicine.
The auto surgery table literally closes whatserface up with staples that wouldn't seem out of place today. On the other hand there's a magic wand that allows anybody to fix the most extreme injuries on advanced androids.
Yeah ok.
>most extreme injuries
She just reattached his head that worked already.
If your problem is just plot holes than Prometheus has plenty. They're exactly as bad as each other
That movie is the living proof that the "fans" of alien franchise are nothing more than horror-morono idiots on the same level than fans of saw
>"NUUUU WER IZ MUH XENO!! GIB MEEE ALIEN MONSTERE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
People's biggest criticism of Prometheus isn't that there's no Xenomorph, it's that it shouldn't be an Alien movie at all
If you made a Friday the 13th movie that was about unrelated incident that didn't involve a serial killer or anything, but then Jason's mom shows up for a few scenes, people would just be confused as hell and asking what the point was