Fionna or cake could have just touched and “normalized” golb and made Betty normal. There I fixed your shit rushed ending.
what an absolute dogshit ending
Fionna or cake could have just touched and “normalized” golb and made Betty normal. There I fixed your shit rushed ending.
the real question is why you were even watching this shit
I thought it was for the most part good until the last two episodes. It was my own fault for thinking any adventure time writers could write an ending that wasn’t completely moronic
Stop fricking lying. F&C was shit from the beginning.
why did it take you this long to figure it out,
adventure time is 100% for set up and a 0% ending, unfortunately that averages to 50% which is an F for all of us
You're an absolute manchild for conflating a story not going the way you wanted it for a story that's actually bad. Sorry you didn't get your boring happy ending, steer clear of the writer's room for the rest of your life.
But it was a boring happy ending you moron
If it were there wouldn't be people b***hing about muh Betty penis muncher
>thinking any adventure time writers could write anything that wasn't completely moronic
Ftfy
Meh, I liked it. I get it wasn't perfect, but it was interesting and, I think, better than most episodes of the last seasons of OG adventure time.
Because I'm in Cinemaphile due to liking comics and cartoons and because I don't decide on my opinions before I make them.
Hoping in vain for more of this:
The real answer if there wasn't anything else on
The character arcs were both easy to figure out early on and horribly executed, the only reason you'd care is because the original show was great mostly.
>because the original show was great mostly.
lol
if you truly think this, then you had too much brainrot to not see how shit this show would be too.
Having a different opinion than you doesn't make him stupid.
This, West Coast writers really can't seem to accept their entire existance is transitory and going to either be forced to change or collapse soon
I feel like there's a U-shaped arc of media literacy where if you're at the minimum you watch AT and go "Haha fun" and if you're in the middle you think "Ugh, dumb baby shit" and if you're further down the line you come back around and are like "Warm, wholesome, enriching". Reminds me of that old saying about wrestling, when you're a kid you love wrestling because you think it's real, then when you get older you hate wrestling because you realize it's fake, and then when you become more mature you come back around to loving wrestling because you know it's a performance.
This, it's the greatest children's animated series since the Samurai Jack and AtLA era
This.
>eat shit
THIS TASTES LIKE SHIT
>finish eating the same piece of shit
THIS STILL TASTE LIKE SHIT.
That's on you. Not the show
Glad I dodged this mess
don't be a doofus. Just watch the show, its very good.
I really enjoy the goose cameos
initial post paramount post
I was promised boobies
guess what board we're on
/co/?
FPBP
>
So amy so
Supposedly
There isn’t any reason why that wouldnt work. I thought of a better ending in all but the couple minutes it took for me to take a shit.
Wdym?
It's almost like... adventure time has been shit for a long time, no seriously what were you expecting?
I WANTED TO BELIEVE.
Silly anon you should've known better if the later seasons of AT were anything to go by.
I should have yeah. This is really entirely on me.
Just like the Lich you believed wrong
HE WAS BETRAYED
Betty-trayed
don't cry because it happened, smile because it's over
Finn was raised by Jake's parents.
in Fionna's universe, Cake is a cat, meaning Fionna was raised by a couple of stray cats in an alley.
Not everything is a 1:1 translation in F&C's canon. Ice Queen for instance is a water nymph cursed by a crystal.
>Ice Queen for instance is a water nymph cursed by a crystal.
Holy crap that's stupid. Genderbent Simon is better.
>Ice Queen for instance is a water nymph cursed by a crystal.
Comics aren't canon.
Interesting description here.
>ignores all emotional themes in an overly emotional show
>themes continue into the finale
>why didn't they just do this thing I wanted? They must not have thought about it. Bad writing
I didn't love the ending and it did seem rushed, but you have to be kidding not seeing what they were setting up. They obviously thought about it and went with an ending they felt was more appropriate. It wasn't especially appealing for people that just wanted a cheesy girly romance and were inserting into Simon for instant gratification. Maybe they'll work on it for season 2, but the theme of this one seemed to be stop being so obsessive, accept things for what they are and others for who they are, and move on or you'll be a depressed resentful piece of shit that ruins things for yourself and everyone else and never realize it.
>muh themeees
Even beyond the Simon and Betty thing ending was still dogshit regardless
I mean, yes, everything has themes. This is why you can't make shit and other people can. If you tried to write something it would be horrible if you can't understand that themes exist in storytelling. It's popular and a lot of people enjoyed it a lot, that ironically, aren't depressed pieces of shit that ruin things for themselves and everyone else and never realize it. It won't appeal to everyone but it will be consistent enough to get fans. What you could produce couldn't. All you can really do is whine and explain why it's bad because you personally dislike the choices they made.
Themes existing in a story doesn't mean they're also good especially in this case. Accepting things as they are only sounds nice when things as they are still suck.
Like it's really stupid. You don't avoid depression or resentment by acknowledging how shitty a situation is. The reality is the same way certain things can't be changed people's feelings about them can't be changed. A lot of people don't ever really move on or get over dead relatives for example because no matter how much time passes it still feels wrong for them not to be there with you anymore. Acknowledging they're dead doesn't change how important they were or how cruel life is.
They don't want you to consider Jesus Christ because he is the only path to succeed.
Think about what heaven truly is for one minute.
What does that have to do with anything in this thread?
>Man this world sucks
>Bible: This world is awful and I, your literal God, will explain why it is so awful. And I will tell over and over again, don’t be a part of it. I will destroy this world and its lovers at some point, but I want you to understand my gospel first and ensure you will go to a much better place, Heaven itself. In that realm, it is fantastical and much better than anything you can experience here.
>Fionna and Cake: This world sucks. But, I must accept it and be a part of it. Despite knowing I have better options in my life.
Shut the frick up Christcuck. Keep clutching your bible while you enter the void like the rest of us homosexuals. You'll go to the same grave having wasted your life on a lie. Every day I'm reminded there is no god when I encounter people like you.
Your inherit personality and pushing of your beliefs is actively driving people away from your religion.
I don't think your god would like that.
holy criiiinge
Jesus was a gay and so are you
Sinners simply hate the truth and Christ and Heaven are the truth.
You're on Cinemaphile.
I'm sure any god would see that and have you automatically flagged for hell.
>You're on Cinemaphile.
>I'm sure any god would see that and have you automatically flagged for hell.
That's not how it works in his kingdom.
You will be burnt to a crisp as your laughter loses its strength against his wrath.
lol you had to resort to “well YOU couldn’t make anything better” fricking moron
the themes of accepting things as they are, yes yes blah blah blah I never said I was against themes(??) I get it, this one just wasn’t good and doesn’t excuse how rushed and stupid ending was but that’s adventure time I guess
Also just for that I think I WILL make something better.
>The theme is to accept things for what they are
Except the only one who did this even remotely was Fionna, and even then it's only partially. Cake got to keep her magic powers, they didn't need to accept Fionna world being permenant in Simon's mind. Hell, they even use an act of god to put other people in a better situation so they don't have to accept things for what they are either.
Simon also didn't have an issue with accepting the situation he was in, his issue was wanting closure with Betty and feeling like a fish out of water and lacking purpose. The later just isn't actually addressed in any way, the former is a generally understandable thing to want.
Then outside of the themes, there's still the issue of it feeling like an act of god to fix the issue which is still shit. Simon just kinda vomited out the world... because? That made Fionna world an actual universe... some how?
>Simon also didn't have an issue with accepting the situation he was in
Anon, Simon had a huge issue with accepting things as they were. He sought the crown because he thought he could only have meaning in life as the insane Ice King, and feverishly pursued it across multiple worlds, leaving a trail of destruction in his wake. It took Fionna telling him they were fine without magic, and Betty teaching him through Beth to let go of his obsessions before he started to accept the present for what it is.
I mean the situation as a man from the past in the future. He was without purpose, but that's different from not accepting that things are the way they are. As far as getting the crown, yes it was partly to get magic back to Fionna's world but it was also so that their world wouldn't vanish when Simon died and to stop the Scarab.
If the moral is to accept things the way they are even when it means killing an entire universe, I'm sorry but the moral's shit.
>He was without purpose, but that's different from not accepting that things are the way they are.
NTA, but in Simon's case, his sense of purposelessness came from not accepting things as they were. He chased down the Betty rabbit hole for years, and even dressed up as Ice King to remember the "simpler" times. He lived in a literal museum. His desire to escape from his current life mirrored Fionna's.
>If the moral is to accept things the way they are even when it means killing an entire universe
It's not that simple. If he put it on, he is still killing that universe in a sense, because everything about it would change beyond recognition. Even still, Simon was on the verge of putting the crown back on even after Fionna told him not to. It's also not clear if it would be enough to help at that point. Good chance he'd be cursing himself for no reason. There's more variables than just putting the crown on = saving Fionna's world.
>his sense of purposelessness came from not accepting things as they were
>He lived in a literal museum
He's literally a historian. I get that there's symbolism with it, but that symbolism is kind of lost when the end shows he still lives in the museum, he's still focusing on history. The difference is that he feels like he matters, not that he suddenly accepted his situation when he had already accepted his situation. It's dealing with insignifigance, not inability to accept things.
>If he put it on, he is still killing that universe in a sense
They'd die regardless then, with the crown they are at least reborn because when Simon dies they die.
>It's also not clear if it would be enough to help at that point
What, because of Scarab? The guy who only got into the world because Simon got brain swapped and wasn't allowed to put on the crown?
He said he was thinking about moving. You can focus on history without personally living in a shrine to the 20th century. The reason he felt out of place is because he was obsessed over romanticized versions of his past, instead of fully embracing his new reality.
>What, because of Scarab?
Yes. Convenient, I know. I'm sceptical of how long-term that solution would even be though. Wouldn't 'the boss' just send more guys in if IK incapacitated scabby? I don't know how much Simon thought this through.
>He said he was thinking about moving
In response to his therapy session being viewed by the public. Using it as a joke line makes me feel as though it's not meant to be an actual point to the ending moral, instead being a joke to end the series on.
>Wouldn't 'the boss' just send more guys in if IK incapacitated scabby?
Unlikely IMO. Seemed like most of the group were pretty fine just letting that shit slide, Scarab was just a stickler for the rules.
On a related note, I really dislike how they ended Scarab. I liked the initial characterization as someone who takes the rules way too seriously. Having him throw a tantrum really left a bad taste in my mouth.
It's both a joke and part of the moral. He's taking steps to improve his life.
The other gods didn't give a frick, but "the boss" did. He made Orbo let Scarab do his job, and only called to stop Scarab when their universe was canonized thanks to GOLBetty. If Scarab is stopped, I think he would call Orbo to send some other lackey to take care it. Sanctimonious Space Janny being a hypocrite checks out to me.
If Scarab was stopped via Ice King, he'd have been frozen, unable to call The Boss.
>Sanctimonious Space Janny being a hypocrite checks out to me.
It's used as a cheap writing tool to invalidate any legitimate issues the antagonist has with the main cast because all of a sudden he didn't want to get rid of the universe because it was his job but because he had a personal vendetta against Prismo.
Shut up Scrabby.
>Acting as though Fionna and Cake didn't literally frick up almost every universe they went to
Don't get me wrong, Scarab fricked up some things as well, rip my boy farm world Finn, but it was only people who interfered with his work.
He was trying to kill them and and their whole universe. What does he expect them to do, line up at the guillotine? It makes no sense to get angry at them personally, if he was just doing his job.
Imagine trying to exterminate a colony of rats, except that the nest is able to get away every time. You'd get pretty pissed too, even though they're just trying to survive.
Ignoring that example, it'd still make sense to get mad at them for ruining what one would consider a work of art. I initially thought he would be one who sees beauty in the multiversal mechanisms due to the time hammer dudes scene. It'd still give him reason to hate them at a personal level because they're fricking up the beauty of the system, but it is what it is.
I would've thought the boss could see all that shit. Or at least find out about it eventually.
>invalidate any legitimate issues the antagonist has
The only legitimate issue was that they were made without proper authorization. If that was all, it wouldn't explain his seething hatred for them. He took their existence personally from the start, he was just hiding it behind a veneer of professionalism.
I think the lesson is, when you make certain choices, you have to live with the consequences of those choices. No take backs because you can't take it back. They had reality bending entities in the story and even they couldn't take back the choices. Life's just like that.
I agree
I think what happened was now that Betty is fused with Golb she's like a deity that's beyond wanting to go back to normal and be with Simon and is instead exploring the secrets of existence on her own time and with her own interests like she wanted to do with Simon but instead always sacrificed and did what he wanted.
She doesn't hold resentment for this and did truly love him and their time together, but now she's grown passed that. To let Simon try to "save" her would be to again sacrifice what she wants and go with his path which she doesn't want to do anymore. The story and entire reason for stopping him from wearing the crown is both to teach him this so he can move passed being depressed about her and reconsider what he thinks is the best path forward because as we can see it often isn't. Most of the reason he's even willing to put the crown on again is because he's giving up on life if he can't get Betty back so he figures he'll at least do something nice for Fiona and Cake and check out of having to deal with not being able to "save" her, but Betty shows him that his first plan often eventually leads to doom and that by choosing to go with her plan instead (the dandelion) there's actually a different option that saves their universe without him sacrificing himself. She's also able to tell him that while their time together meant everything to the both of them it wasn't as great as he's remembering and there's a reason she doesn't want to come back allowing him to reflect, grow as a person, and move on to find a new happiness in the future.
I thought the last two eps were a bit lacklustre, but I agree that anyone expecting anything radically different wasn't paying attention. It was a fitting conclusion thematically.
See letting go of the past and moving on would be an interesting theme, if the ship that left the main protagonist out in the cold and radically reshaped characters wasn’t pushed because GAY! It’s New and Trendy! All while rekindling a relationship both of them weren’t seeking anymore.
If you’re straight, move on to never finding love, having your goals destroyed and your life drifting. If you’re gay, reality will bend itself inside out to put you back together.
It’s all hollow fluffy words to make hetero ships fail and homosexual and brown ships succeed and it feels artificial because of the culture war shit going on because it IS a shallow retcon to make a israeli writer’s ship fly while ditching the hetero one and it pulls me out of enjoying any of this because it’s just so fricking typical of the current world and I want the world to stop being so gay and brown and antagonizing and critical of what I want, what I desire. I don’t care if you call that entitled or petty, it’s what I feel and you don’t get to disregard me anymore. Acknowledge me and cater to the sort of entertainment I want or I’ll fricking burn this whole moronic world to the ground, and yes I fricking will. Yes I will let this be my straw give me a goddamn ship I like Hollywood you rat fat homosexuals I want to be done with this whole fricking bullshit paradigm right the hell now
Grow up, kid.
NO
Aight give my your best autistic screech then.
Famous words before disaster
>Acknowledge me and cater to the sort of entertainment I want or I’ll fricking burn this whole moronic world to the ground, and yes I fricking will.
Do it. Come on. Be the one to pull the trigger.
He won't do shit, these morons never do jack shit.
lel Betty was handing Simon the solution from the begining
she really was
This was neat
But if Betty is the comet, doesn't that mean that half of her went with Martin?
It means that Martin got the best girl.
>Betty x Martin
>Minerva x Simon
poetry , it rhymes..
Why are white "people" like this? GolBet is obviously red
finn's mind must be broken at this point
>his mom is a robot.
>His dad ran away again, but this time with betty.
>he was raised by adoptive parents.
family gatherings must be awkward.
betty isn't the comet, but I like the theory that GOLB sends the comets.
because the comets cause content for the show, and Golb works for Cartoon Network. Golb's boss is a human being in real life who works for Warner Brothers Entertainment
Betty is Beth
Shermy is Simon
It's going to happen
in b4 "but shermy has to be FINN because Shermy was designed based on a one off joke FINN made"
They're getting their second chance
>Beth is Betty!
>you can see the fricking butterfly
cope simontard
what are you talking about
>immediately wanted to frick the dog after Betty left
Simon..
C O P E
Beth is Beth. Shermy is Shermy. GOLBetty just used them to make a point.
I know people are ragging on this, but I'd like it more than them just being Finn and Jake.
hmm
>Shermy was designed based on a one off joke FINN made
what joke?
Mortal Recoil.
>I'm a cat! I'm an agile cat!
>Meow (now) Ice King!
So is this what Adventure Time gonna be like?
Betty looks like a butterfly because she is the god of chaos, and butterflies represent chaos theory because of the butterfly effect.
When did Betty become so central to the lore? She started as Ice Kings sad backstory dead girlfriend, and now she's literal god and the major driving force for the plot and its resolution? I don't understand why they keep circling back to her.
First she ended up being the most decisive figure in the finale, and now her relationship with Simon becomes the crux of Fionna and Cake. What were they thinking? Simon finally breaks up with Betty and that arbitrarily gives him the plot coupon to solve Fionna and Cake's problems. The two of them do practically nothing
Well, fusing with literally fricking god give you that
That's not what that anon was asking about lmfao
I thought the comet and the butterfly was supposed be finn in a past life.
~Come along with me
And the butterflies and bees~
God damn this is reaching to levels beyond coping. Someone REALLY wants this to be some sort of closed loop and shit even when it ins't. This smells like redditposting you wound't believe. Is this sort of moronation that ruined rick and morty lore as a whole.
The show has it's own themes and such, but those butterflies don't even look the same.
Nah, the eyes definitely do look like a butterfly pattern and AT's continuance was practically born out of it's minor background details. Lore in the environment is it's bread and butter.
No. it's moronic. You are giving meaning to minor details and acting like they mean anything. I just a fricking blue butterfly, they don't even look similar. It could mean 1000 different things and is just reaching for meaning like a fricking idiot. Giving to much importance to minimal shit is a set way to ruin the lore of anything because it just becomes jerking off those details.
Is reddit tier and moronic. Why the fetish with the time loop anyway? Why there is this homosexual trying as a hard as he can to force it in to existence?
I think you're squirming very hard against the sort of show AT now is. The curtains aren't just blue here. The question is just a matter of what the meaning is and in what order.
That pic is dumb, but there was lot of butterfly imagery used in the show. I thought it was to show GOLB's influence.
Some, yes. But is a minimal part. I'm more annoyed at the blatantent attempt at trying to squeezy meaning of the background shit now since there are actual things to look up and finding meaning in the foreground proper and the whole background thing was in the past.
Specially because this feels like just this one dude really really trying to achieve that. But for the sake of cordiality and that this conversation doesn't devolve to me calling you names because I'm just really looking for someone to hurt right now I will back off and concede this point to you. I'm kinda busy in the moment and I want to make sure I don't trample a few seeds and flowers I planted on these AT threads the past few days.
Wrong quote:
I can see what you’re talking about with the butterfly and
being the case, but I don’t see what you’re talking about with the comet unless you’re trying to say she’s tied to Finn in some reincarnation loop, and that she, Finn, and even the Lich (he was also the comet that killed the dinos) represent some weird Tri-Force component of the Universe.
I really liked the ending.
well yeah that’s because you’re really dumb
I liked it too.
Way happier than I expected.
Wish her world was just a smidge more magical
Just a smidge
Seems like it was implied it would be when the scarab said they would have to face the problems the other world had now that they were connected. Golbetty introduced magic to all of them in some capacity as the comet. Season 2 might explore it.
That'd be rad
How do we know they'll be a season 2.
We don't. It's very possible based on the success of this season.
It went over gangbusters.
Yeah, but it also depends on the crew's appetite to do more fionna & cake vs something else.
Well they did say they want to do more and it was labeled season one.
Muto said in one interview they went pretty far down a couple of different roads developing other miniseries ideas. Fionna & Cake was just the one that got picked up.
Means nothing in the current streaming spectrum. If this took years and they don't have it lined up already then no.
Well HBO has frickall going on so they need to do something.
I assume that if we get any more AT-related content, it'll be under the Fionna and Cake name and probably continue with the more mature themes/continuing forward with what's been established. Fionna has a direct line to Simon via his phone, and her world has a little bit of magic in it now via high-powered magic beings; there's a couple of plot threads they could do, if they want.
If I had to guess/indulge in fanfiction, we've seen four 'successful' iterations of the Lich
>The one that seemingly manages to subvert Death's own son and, for a brief moment, stop the cycle of death and rebirth
>The one who made the successful wish to annihilate all life
>The one who's Jake-hand ended up in every single universe that existed
>The one who made it to the crystal citadel, gave his speech about preforming a conquest of a reality itself with the army of criminals he amassed, and later became Sweet Pea, who remains alive.
Out of these, which one had the grandest, most elaborate plan? Which one is plotting, scheming, being active, biding their time? The ones that went cosmic. The Lich that won was limited by a liner perspective that 'killing a universe' was going to be satisfying; we just saw how petty that kind of goal is. The Lich of the 'original Ooo' fricked up because he didn't get what he wanted, which was some form of creative destruction. The one which managed to subvert the Deadworlds and possess the son of Death was presumably effecting every world that existed and promised the extinction of all life, while the one which managed to break out of the crystal citadel was planning to conquer the entirety of space. It was a nihilistic immortal being that just wanted to kill everything, but it clearly enjoys the process. Basically, the OG Lich peaked; it had no new foes to conquer after Billy.
Fyi the Lich that possessed Death was dead. He was the same Lich killed by Sweet P. Idk if that even counts as a win since he straight up died like that's how he got to the dead world in the first place.
Huh, I don't think there's any proof that the multiverse has a single unified afterlife run by some single incarnation of Death, but if that's the case than yeah, the og Lich that made the successful wish did frick up royally by killing off a single universe worth of life. Sort of makes sense, because it makes Finn & Jake's last big adventure that important.
Pretty sure that "something bad" was just the passage of time and all the negative effects of being a real world rather than being an idolized sitcom world.
yes i enjoyed the episodes alot, theres stuff to critique sure, i wont say there perfect, but im satisfied and had alot of fun.
Ditto, it felt earned and was well done
I would too if I was dropped as a baby like you
It was alright.
What do you like it though?
I liked that it brought everything to a close in an emotionally mature manner. Everyone grew as people and I have hope for them for the future.
fricking reeeetaaaard
It was alright. Could’ve improved on some things but meh.
This, the endings with Simon and Fionna accepting and appreciating their respective worlds was fine but the Scarab fight was lame and the pacing with Ooo 1000+ and Casper and Nova really dragged it down. Last two eps could have been way smoother and emotional.
The needed to have fixed Betty or let fionnas world be more magical because in the end it seemed like a waste of time. For some reason the mc or villain can't get what they want but nearly all the side characters end up getting what they want
It sounds just like Darling in the Franxx
Instead of the fanfiction multiverse thing it would have been better if Fionna and her friends were people that Simon knew from his life in the 80s, which is why they were in his mind to write about while he was Ice King.
Thats not how that works
i think a lot of people on this website might be mentally impaired, because that's an absolutely dogshit take that implies that you have zero media literacy whatsoever. It's not even a matter of "it's too smart for you", it's a matter of it being lukewarm 'smart' that is completely broad appeal, and that seems to be too high of a bar for a lot of internet incels to clear. It was a fine ending. We knew from the beginning that he wasn't going to get betty back. If the symbology and chekov's guns were too complex for you to get and you thought he was going to show up and sweep her off her feet, even after the flashback showed him spinning her around away from the bus stop and lower than him, if you saw all that and didn't pick up any of it, that's on you, man, not the show. You are probably the kind of person who sees people buying nitrous canisters and think "wow, these people need a lot of whipped cream"
>giant text wall of inane dribble “it’s just too smart for you!”
>incel
Wow thanks for confirming what I thought as true, that the shows ending was indeed complete ass you seething troony
if you think five lines indicates a "giant wall of text" you have exactly the attention span that would be expected
Your show is mediocre and shit and so are you
PHONEPOSTER
when your balls drop your mom will buy you a real computer, jimmy, and someday your screen will be able to hold text like a real big boy's would, instead of having to use mommy's iPhone to check Cinemaphile
I like being able to walk and be mobile while posting and not just sit on my ass on pc it let’s me call you a homosexual and cook at the same time
For me it's not even about Simon not getting back with Betty. She's always been an incredibly boring character and I could really care less whether she's a godhead or a childless woman's self insert. I'm just pissed about the treatment of The Lich. Once again the show proves that it only knows one trick which is "fantasy trope is actually le deep and has inner turmoil" which was okay maybe the first two times, but having the character who's a robotic primordial murder machine suddenly have a crisis of faith with a god he's only mentioned a single time in passing, it's fricking boring and adds nothing to the character, the setting, or the show.
>shit ending for a lazy LGB cash grab show
get used to that. Companies don't care who you frick, but they'll exploit it to take your money.
I streamed the show on pirate sites and yet I still feel scammed
Simon and Betty didn’t go through everything they did to find each other just to get the “we have to move on from each other this is unhealthyyyy” treatment. I made myself a cope fake screenshot
very good anon Ty
Doesn't that defeat the entire point of pointing out Simon is just doing what Betty was doing? Over-obsessing to the point where nothing else matter? Betty's last wish was for Simon to live a good life. She herself was infused with Golb now and can't consciously separate from the entity. Why would you want the only one you ever loved to be trapped inside material reality? The rest of the time it's like a waking nightmare where you cannot die or interact with the world consciously. It works as a counterbalance for Together Again where instead of forgoing enlightenment with Jake and reincarnating with your brother, Cheers states pursuing occultic magic to revive dead loved ones is to err. It's like you guys wanted Edward and Alphonse Elric to be rewarded for attempting to resurrect his dead mother.
The thing is, are we supposed to understand that Betty's fate is actually horrible, or just "different" and it only sucks for Simon because she can't really be with him anymore? Because the ending seemed to imply that she was okay moving on and being an elder god for eternity or whatever, but I'm not sure if that was Betty or Golbetty or Simon's imagination talking there.
Yes, he was doing exactly what she did, as he should, returning the favor and competing the cicle, even og crown was there, how hard is this to understand?
That's moronic because all they ever did was be overobsessed with each other. Other characters did worse things but ended up having good endings? For fma It's more like I wanted them to find out how they'd get their bodies back, which they did exactly that.
pathetic manchildren. This is a story about maturity and you're complaining that Luke couldn't somehow un-destroy Alderaan.
>starwars
please do everyone a favor and have a nice day
>you're complaining that Luke couldn't somehow un-destroy Alderaan.
Yes. I make deliberately impossible and unreasonable demands so I can complain when they aren't met. I don't even watch cartoons. I just spend all day complaining, or looking for things to complain about. Complaining is my life. Complaining is my purpose. Complaining is my reason to exist.
But you should still keep trying to satisfy me even though I have no intention of ever letting you succeed.
It's not my fault if you can't score while I'm moving the goalposts. Nothing bad can be my fault.
Nothing is impossible in an inconsistent mess of a universe like adventure time, the writers only pretend there's limits to push a forced badly done message.
>calling people manchildren
>while also referencing Star Wars
It should be illegal to have this little self awareness
What it could have been.
Also fantastic job there.
Golbetty should've become Simon's goddess wife instead of pushing him away.
A perfect ending for these two. I applaud your best effort.
Here isa song that fits for this.
A felicitous song, thank you
>Bettys deep emotional response causes Golb to expel her as it sees that as a weakness/not part of itself
>Simon gets betty back
>This allows for Fionnas world to become magic again
It was that easy
Except that would be stupid and ruin everything they worked up towards.
Amazing job.
Thank you, anon. And everyone who said something nice, I appreciate it.
lmao, I have no idea what people were expecting. It's one thing to complain about the execution, but the broad strokes were painfully obvious from the start.
i'm mostly upset how fionna's world being stuck in simon's head was solved by having him throw it up for no real reason.
The reason is GOLBetty is based, and rewarded him for throwing away the crown.
What does it said here?
why don't you read it
>simon meets golbetty
>last part
>simon accept his dead in the hands of golb and he dies like pic related
>both got absorbed and turn into comets and get reincarnate into a butterfly and penguin
everything stys the same minus the fact simon/betty are together forever
Better ending?
Yes.
Yes. Others should try saying some better endings that we could have gotten as well (not a high bar to clear)
Would kind of defeat the purpose of what they were going for. Simon wanted to over sacrifice, Betty wanted him to live. He listened to her and started to enjoy his life.
its basically the antithesis of their message. Basically Simon finally going with her on the ride and finally thinking about Betty first for once
But the show wanted the more ""happy"" ending
frankly I have a hard time discerning which endings the show considers "happy" at this point
What if this scene happened right after Simon dies naturally? Instead of waking up in the afterlife, he finds himself in front of golbetty and etc
No. That's dumb.
>anon: Professor Petrikov, I have a question!
>simon: oh Anon, I'm glad you finally want to participate in the class, I was starting to think this was useless, what's your question?
>anon: what would happen if I put my dick inside that thing?
>simon: what?
>anon: I said, what would happen if I...
>Simon: Yes I heard you, but why would you do that?
>anon: I want to frick a universe.
>simon: ....
>anon: I SAID, I WANT TO FRICK A UNIVERSE!
>simon: (sigh) anon, think about what you're saying, this is a universe full of life, with infinite living beings... why are you taking off your pants?
>*Anon slowly approaches the universe*
>simon: anon... don't do it.
>*Anon is getting closer and closer*
>simon: anon, please!
>*Anon takes Fionna and Cake's universe into his hands*
>simon: ANON, GET YOUR DICK OUT OF THAT UNIVERSE! DO NOT DO IT! ANON NOOO!
MEANWHILE IN ANOTHER PLACE.
>*fionna and her friends were watching how the tip of a gigantic wiener was passing through the planet's atmosphere*
>marshal: oh-my-GOD!
>gary: holy licorice! Do you think that dick has all its vaccines?
>fionna: cake...
>cake: yes fionna?
>fionna: do you still have some of those magic strawberries?
>cake: yes, do you plan to go big to stop that thing?
>fionna: eh... yeah... something similar.
>cake: ooh... bad girl, I like the way you think.
>fionna: do you want to join?
>cake: oh yeah, sister.
>fionna: what time is it?
>fionna/cake: ADVENTURE TIME!
>>gary: holy licorice! Do you think that dick has all its vaccines?
fricking lost
I think the ending was fine, but I definitely think most of its issues come down to it being rushed. People have already talked about the pacing and the weird status with Farmworld, but the glitch shit not really being important outside Episode 6 is still strange.
Actual question; did you like how they handled the TV:14 rating, given what the land of Ooo is and the previous bloodless nature of the violence established in the original show for nearly a decade? Out of all the fighting in F&C, the bloodless 'fights' Fionna had against the random Ooo civilians at the market and the rampage through the soft, pitiable insane Candy people she later feels guilty about are the only real cases where there's no blood, and in the latter case Fionna even feels guilty about fricking them up in the next episode. Naturally, death has always been cheap in Adventure Time and skulls are probably one of the most common background objects used throughout the show, ect but it almost seems like a bigger difference than the casualization of the gay stuff.
I'm real happy they didn't overplay it. Nothing felt out of place here.
Finn killing the pupfish monster and the bear kind of felt that the show was saying yes, Finn has been killing things for years but now we're seeing it from the perspective of a helpless old man who's completely out of place; it was appropriate for how dark the miniseries got and it allowed for some very interesting stuff to happen, but I wouldn't mind a return to what was typical in Distant Lands.
>the rampage through the soft, pitiable insane Candy people
This miniseries showing how gruesome even the lighthearted violence actually is with the new artstyle didn't seem like a attempt to make all of Finn's past adventures seem more fricked up, I think it was partially to show that Fionna's power fantasy really could only be expressed when she's fighting some of Ooo's weak non-humans a 12 year old boy could manhandle, let alone a 30 year old woman; I thought it was a nice touch.
I thought it was fine, the thing that bothers me is that, besides the first two episodes, it did not thematically feel like a more mature show than its predecessor. Heck, Distant Lands ended up dealing with more mature themes than F+C did
I liked it, honestly the tone of the show never felt unfitting to me.
making something age restricted just to add blood and middle fingers is kinda eh
hey anon
RUDE..
get fricked
Going from F&C to looking back at seasons 1-3 of AT is incredibly jarring.
Why did the lich think that golb wants all life dead? Life is inherently chaotic? Killing everything brings order in a sense.
Trying to please a being of chaos is a wasted exercise in all shapes and forms. Nothing you do will be what it wants or their desires will change in between them telling you what they want and you accomplishing it.
His quest that left him feeling empty once he did it was doomed to be meaningless from the start.
I wonder if him and bmo did anything together
Depends, did BMO run Snake?
I can't believe they made THE LICH of all people a simp.
The dude decided to worship a giant red baby that never spoke a word to him
He wasnt thinking it through to begin with
>He wasnt thinking it through to begin with
kek
What does Lich really wants anyway?
Friends.
Golb-sama's approval
Read up on entropy; killing everyone and everything in the universe won't bring maximum "chaos" to that universe by itself, but it sure as hell will speed up the process a thousandfold.
You, everyone you know, and your entire universe is erased and replaced by a corrupted non magic version where everyone knows they are not their true selves. Everyone just pretends to go along with it like they're not living in a nightmare reality because what else can you do. Only Cake is allowed to be her original self, everyone else has to suffer. The more I think about it the more disturbing it becomes.
Does that matter? Their old selves were erased, but as a result it created new versions. Would you reset the universe and willingly have a nice day for the sake of who you were in the past, but barely are now?
That's the point. It's a direct parallel with the crown. The Ice King and Simon are related but different, Simon putting on the crown is tantamount to suicide.
Works for Cake.
Cake is not the same as her old self either. Her memories/personality are still from the new Fionna world. She can just talk and stretch now.
Nope. Muto was just trolling everyone and its no doubt that they'll gonna keep milking this shit for another season or so
yes please lol I'll simp for Muto if I can get my fix because I'm just that pathetic.
I would have liked to see more of Fionna's Nightmare.
Same.
>normalizing betty woulda been a good ending
Your ending sounds like dogshit and I'm so glad that shit didn't happen. I hope you weren't aspiring to be a writer.
>what an absolute dogshit ending
This is why you fail. Time and time again. Not matter what you don't know the gift you are given. You hate anime and when there is a semi semi attempt you hate it. You have made your bed and you will sleep in it.
What are you even blabbering about you meandering neanderthal
If I had to guess he's trying to say that beggars can't be choosers and American animation of this quality is a rarity now.
Could this pairing work?
not romantically but I think they would get along well
>rewatched distant lands before watching this to start pretty fresh
>simon says "hi gang" in distant lands
>says "bad news gang" in the star
Is calling people gang an old person thing now? Am I a old?
old as in 21th century old in the 30th century
I want to protect this thing.
not gonna lie, this bit did feel a little like a slap in the face
It's what I would have expected if Fionna's world was made magical via a cursed crown degenerating the mind it's housed in rather than being created from Prismo's wish powers.
Pitiful nightmare vampire Marshall is cute
I loved all the designs in Fionna's nightmare. I don't see many people talking about it.
Simon turning into something from Little Nightmares with an extra set of joints on all his limbs was my favourite.
>gum person gets their gum all over everything
>vamp rocker becomes a sad crying thing in the shadows
>simon becomes a a body stuffed in the freezer with a crazed expression
They're just like me Fr Fr.
i feel like they ripped Lisa The Painful designs for that
and i like it
How do you think this universe pans out?
>shota Ice King
What did you expect? It was a spin off made by the people that ruined adventure time.
So Winter King was the best episode, right? That’s even with Gary and Marshall dragging it down. Overall, between the pairs of episode releases, 5-6 kinda beat out everything else I feel.
I think Winter King was definitely best in tying together the exploration of an AU with Simon and Fionna's own stories, and Farmworld with serious Finn is just a fun setting, so yeah, 5-6 are definitely up there.
I think 1-2 are also very strong because they're by far the most focused and character-driven episodes. Well, Simon's is a lot better than Fionna's, but I think both gave us a lot of potential that the rest of the show failed to capitalize on.
5 6 7 were top tier
2 4 8 were great
The rest were alright to meh
Switch 2 and 5, and 7 and 8 then I agree with you
I guess you prefer Ooo Finn over FW Finn, and petrigrof backstory over evil bubbline
Although I guess I didn't really care a whole lot about the destiny gang/things that didn't feature FW Finn in 5, while the stuff that wasn't Ooo Finn in 2 was still interesting. But FW Finn, his family and his house, too good
7 entertained me in every way throughout, from vamp hellworld to vamp voring Cake to good guy Martin to scruffy human Huntress to colonel top tier voice acting PB to evil Marcy suckin on suckers to "have summa these" Vampire King.
Oh shit I always forget about the gumlee plot.. don't care for that, but the vamp stuff is still just too good for me.
But petrigrof backstory didn't really grab me, the dead world and poor BMO and the lich scene were all fantastic but it seemed mostly a petrigrof ep. And Cake making Fionna cry
Basically the journey was fine but most of the setup and payoff was whatever.
I'd swap out episode 3 for episode 4 though. 4 being mostly info dump was horrible. The first two episodes already felt like introductory episodes to different stories, though episode 2 at least directly connected to characters as we knew them and had some adventuring. Then after one episode of low stakes adventure with the kind of humor you expect from Adventure time we get an episode just hanging out at Prismo's house while he doesn't stop talking.
Winter King or Jerry
I hate that this show is supposedly Fionna & Cake's but it just turned into another Simon story. The title characters are secondary in their own damn show. I know people criticized Adventure Time for sidelining Finn as time went on, but at leas there the crew focused on a lot of different characters. Here it was so centrally focused on Simon that pretending it was a Fionna & Cake show just feels cruel to their fans. I had a feeling this was going to happen, but it just sucks to see. Can't believe they went with the moral that Simon was self-centered when it feels like the whole show was selfishly shoving the spotlight onto him.
This holiday special did irreparable harm to the whole series. Was all that lore worth making a once dependably fun and funny series a slog of unsatisfying setups, twists, and deflated endings? Was I Remember You worth making the Ice King less funny as a character while continuing to use him as the butt of jokes?
Simon was the main reason why people were watching this show, if it was actually completely about Fionna and Cake then Cinemaphile would probably still b***h about women taking over men's roles or something.
The whimsy wasn't going to last with or without lore and character depth. It was going to get old fast and Ooo isn't endless. Instead of letting the show just die out into nothingness, it was good that they started setting up thigns with mroe potential.
But yes, Simon wank got a little too wanked. I want more Fionna.
The problem is that AT Simon doesnt really have a personality outside of 'caring for marceline', 'loving Betty' and 'woe is me, Im the Ice King'. Once you move past those, the character is an empty shell.
And that was the entire point, she wanted him to *live*, and the last time he lived was when he recorded that video, basically. The one we first saw him as Simon in.
>if you remove every part of a character's personality, then he has no personality!
Yes, anon, very good.
No anon, those are not personality traits, those are plotpoints. Plotpoints can point to personality traits and indeed this would be the case if Simon was shown to be caring outside of Marceline and Betty. Or if he were explicitly shown to be uncaring when its not about them. But we are shown nothing. The Ice King has much more of a personality than Simon does.
>The Ice King has much more of a personality than Simon does.
It would be truly sad to point to the examples of people irl similar to Simon, I tremble to think about it
>this would be the case if Simon was shown to be caring outside of Marceline and Betty
He was. There was an entire comic where he went around Ooo apologizing for fricking everyone's life up as Ice King.
I feel like I Remember You didn't infringe on Ice King's comedic potential since the sad lore bits are isolated to his relationship with one specific character, dead on with everything else though.
I'm not blaming I Remember You directly, but without the episodes leading up to it that episode doesn't work, and those episodes are what make Ice King a less funny character. That episode did something good with what had been established, but I'm not sure if what happened to the show was worth that one short.
>The whimsy wasn't going to last with or without lore and character depth. It was going to get old fast and Ooo isn't endless.
Adventure Time didn't have to stay on the air for 10 seasons + spin-offs. Dexter's Lab had two good seasons (but was unfortunately brought back after a finale and TV movie), Chowder and Flapjack had 3.
I honestly would love for series to last long if they do it well. If AT ended at 3 we wouldn't be here now, enjoying this. AT would be some occasionally enjoyed but barely remembered memory.
They failed for some stretches but it ended up being worth it.
If we're going to keep marching till the sun burns out, making stories, we've got to get better at developing what we have instead of dragging them out, or dropping them and starting from scratch. That's how repetition and mistakes happen. We need to evolve
I disagree. It comes back down to the Hero/Wizard truism. Simon is Fionna's wizard, he generates plot. You'll notice he does a lot of explaining/talking, but all of the actions/choices are made by Fionna. She's the hero.
No she's not. The entire climax is solved because Simon finally breaks up with Betty, then Golbetty gives him the plot device that allows Fionna's world to be saved
I don't think that saturating the world witg GOLB's magic is such a great idea.
Why the frick are Fionna and Cake secondary characters in their own series?
Why was the Lich given a resolution? Why was he even there?
Why did they make Simon and Betty's relationship toxic and make it seem like he was unwittingly taking advantage of her?
Why did everything get resolved by a literal deus ex machina which should not have happened since the Scarab was essentially right?
Why did they retcon the origin of the F&C fanfic?
Why did Fionna not even have an arc in her own series?
Why did they meander so much with the same characters again and again instead of building an actual plot? Did we really need 3 different versions of PB? Do writers use multiverse idiocy just so they can reskin and not care?
>Why was the Lich given a resolution? Why was he even there?
Fionna and Cake was basically a retrospective of the original show, somehow almost every major element came back so The Lich returning was inevitable, plus he was relevant because of the whole Scholar of Golb thing.
The whole scholar of Golb means nothing, we dont know what Golb is or what it does. We dont know what it means to be a scholar of Golb. The Lich appears, gets btfoed by Golb, nothing changes, the story is not affected at all. He could have not been there at all and nothing would have changed.
>Why the frick are Fionna and Cake secondary characters in their own series?
Same reason why Finn and Jake became secondary characters in their own show.
>Why? Why? Why?
You should already know the answer to all of those questions.
Finn and Jake had 10 seasons, Fionna and Cake had 10 episodes. They should not have gotten sidelined in their 10 episodes.
I'm not saying it's a good thing but that it was inevitably going to happen, even if it is just 10 episodes.
>Why the frick are Fionna and Cake secondary characters in their own series?
This could work IF they focused on Fionna & Cake being fanfiction about Ice King's own life. That was never really the focus though since it was just a frame story for a genderswap world with romance elements. If anything they went the opposite direction with it by making it something Prismo created. What a stupid decision.
>Why did they meander so much with the same characters again and again instead of building an actual plot? Did we really need 3 different versions of PB? Do writers use multiverse idiocy just so they can reskin and not care?
The weirdest thing about all this is that AT:F&C was a miniseries, and it had dedicated writers that weren't storyboarders. Adventure Time has to be given some slack because they were using the comedy cartoon model of having the storyboarders doing the writing, with the showrunning pitching the episodes. Because it wasn't a script driven show and nobody had tried to make a story heavy show this way before there were bound to be some mistakes. AT:F&C had actual writers with story by credits though. What the frick were those people in particular thinking?
>Fionna or cake could have just touched and “normalized” golb and made Betty normal
Are you moronic? Why would you think they could possibly influence GOLB?
He's perfect
He's also dead.
No way Jay is looking that carefree and happy with a recently deceased dad. Especially when the people he's helping would have been indirectly responsible.
>No way Jay is looking that carefree and happy with a recently deceased dad. Especially when the people he's helping would have been indirectly responsible.
For males Mertens their only weakness is pussy. It's a family curse.
Was the Shermy & Beth segment necessary?
No. Golbetty should have astral projected Simon to a universe where he meets original Ice King
Yes, not only did we get another look at Beth and Shermy, but we also got to see a bunch of neat future ideas and I always enjoy a nice storybook parable.
What is there not to like about Shermy and Beth?
If you're a drooling manchild, you thought the series was going to end with Simon using the power of ice and snow to battle the Lich to save Betty. If you're emotionally 14, that seems like the coolest thing, despite that being interminably dull
It was random and didn't fit with the rest of the show.
It's like they were trying to shove as many Adventure Time trivia tangents in as possible.
To show Simon how much of a toxic man he is for thinking Betty was passionate in his project, even though she made no effort whatsoever to dispel this idea.
Her obsession with him gave him power over her, and with power comes responsibility. He was blind to how much she gave up to be with him, how much of herself she ignored and put away, and it came to what it came to. He's not "toxic", he just wasn't aware of what she was giving up because he kind of took her for granted.
The whole 'giving up to be with him' is a reframing of the story though. What is the difference between giving up to be with someone and just being with someone? She rejected taking credit for the discovery of the Enchiridion. Was Simon supposed to force her into taking credit? Was he supposed to just ignore the very clear love letter she left him? Was he supposed to be fricking psychic if she brainwashed herself and didnt communicate anything? This all sounds like a thinly veiled excuse to imply that she had no responsibility whatsoever and he acted out of line somehow and it was never actual love. Like what the frick is he supposed to do?
It's kind of like real life. They both said they made mistakes and don't have regrets.
I really dont see why Simon needs to be lectured about how uncaring he was and how it wasnt as real and good as he thought it was. Simon literally did not do anything wrong and is not shown to be doing anything wrong. Other than, perhaps, dating somebody far far younger than him. Which is something wholly created by this show.
He had to get lectured to help him realize what the two of them were doing. They are both either equally at fault or not at fault. Pick whichever. They made amnemnds
Like I said, he didnt do anything wrong. And he got lectured by Betty, who is being framed as the victim in all this. They are framing Simon as an, albeit very soft, sort of abuser, and Betty as his victim. That is not ok. And then they have the gall to end it with Simon getting therapy.
I didn't really get that vibe of the show painting Simon as an abuser. Why would Simon not get therapy after all that shit? He just went through what seemed 2 season finales in the span of a couple of days.
I interpreted it as therapy to not be such a dick. But on second thought, it is a little far fetched.
Frick it I'll just repost this here
The intended message from Betty to Simon, and the intended takeaway for the viewer, is one of self-care. The idea os that Betty sacrificed too much and it destroyed her, and Simon should consider his own happiness before sacrificing his sanity by putting on the crown.
That's the INTENDED message.
Unfortunately it's conveyed in maybe the worst way possible.
Just within the context of the book and vision the message is in seeing Betty as our perspective character - but Betty's not our perspective, Simon is. If you focus on Simon's behavior rather than Betty's the message becomes "You didn't sacrifice enough, you were careless." That's not intended, but it's how most people will interpret it.
Beyond that we've been spending 8 episodes saying that Fionna's whole world was unwillingly altered when Simon lost the crown's power and that putting on the crown means restoring her world and saving it from cataclysm. This makes a message about self-care here seem callous and incohesive, further contributing to it bouncing off people's brains.
This conflict could have been interesting with different stakes, but it's pretty cut and dry that it's good to not doom an entire universe of people. This bad moral dilemma is then resolved by a literal deus ex machina.
They should have just stuck to things like "what if the Care Bears liked to party", "what if the fairy tail villain that kidnaps princesses was a big ol' goof" and "beatboxing, that's funny, right?" It was a well liked show before season 3 premiered and the continuity started becoming more important, and while it wouldn't have been the show to popularize ongoing story arcs in American comedy cartoons it would still have been remembered as a funny show that had its own style and didn't talk down to its audience. Now Adventure Time is a big, bloated, embarrassing mess that is still sometimes fun and funny, but if you closely examine things you realize it's kind of crummy, and if you specifically liked the lighthearted early seasons you're likely to feel left out by what came later.
>This bad moral dilemma is then resolved by a literal deus ex machina.
AOTY 2023
>but it's pretty cut and dry that it's good to not doom an entire universe of people.
I also find it interesting that the "normalcy good magic bad" message is conveyed through a literal implanted vision into Fionna which causes her to rethink if she wants the magic back, while also dooming the magic versions that they originated as to forever doom
they should have emphasized the crown is shit and should never be trusted versus the magic good/bad stuff honestly. it’s only usable after a hard reset. using any post-gunther version is asking for trouble.
The vision made sense though. Fionna clearly had some hang-ups about letting Simon turn insane, and she also just saw Candy Witch and crazy Vampire world. Also, Cake kept her powers and now they have a bunch of cosmic entities and a sentient candy tank living in the city.
The vision was implanted by Betty.
There's no reason why Prismo and Betty couldn't just add magic back to their world without resetting everything like the loss of the crown did, do what Prismo did with Cake while keeping continuity. Note that I did like the ending, I just feel like they skipped out on explaining why things have to be the way they are given previously existing magic metaphysic concepts the characters are aware of. And like both of us already said this ending implies the magic versions we saw in the original F&C episodes were essentially all massacred without a thought spared by anyone.
Fionna didn't think that magic was bas and nothing points to that. The problem was that, Simon would again become an insane sad man and that she didn't know how her world would change after the reset. Would her friends still be her friends, would Gary and Marshall still be a couple, would Fionna remember being Fionna Campbell?
Considering they all lost themselves after the first reset they are valid concerns.
The book itself makes it sound like
>Simon, you being SELFISH got us the BAD ENDING
But really it was
>Tragic accident that literally only happened because Simon happened to but the Crown
>Betty devotes her entire life to saving Simon after he breaches space time to apologize to her
>Betty goes insane
Simon literally did nothing wrong, and he couldn't really fix anything unless he had knowledge of the future. The book was an awful idea.
I'm SORRY that you never got to go to Australia Betty, but stop seething.
It also ignores the fact Simon literally repeatedly told her to give up trying to cure him in the original series
>If you focus on Simon's behavior rather than Betty's the message becomes "You didn't sacrifice enough, you were careless."
That was intended. We're supposed to think that Simon wasn't thoughtful of how much Betty was giving up in their relationship. This was telegraphed in episode 8 with Fionna assuming Simon would get on the bus with her. I think the point of the Casper & Nova story is that we can't take back our shitty actions/decisions, we've just got to make the best of the current situation. Simon was miserable because he kept taking the same course of action instead of realising it wasn't fricking working.
>how much Betty was giving up in their relationship
The story didn't really show any of that. At least, Nova presented some alternatives, while with Betty her own desires weren't even hinted (besides "being with Simon").
>The story didn't really show any of that.
She dropped her planned trip of 6 months at the drop of a hat just because Simon didn't want to go. Simon should've encouraged her to do her petroglyph shit she was obviously passionate about.
>The whole 'giving up to be with him' is a reframing of the story though
It wasn't. morons need to stop saying this. Betty explicitly said she had followed Simon for so long that she forgot how to be herself. This dynamic was obvious in the original if you weren't autistic
The real lesson we learned is that ~2009ish Portland is *checks notes* not that bad
I don't think Betty wants to stop being Azathoth, would you?
then she should say so
Marcy and Simon comic is being storytimed here
if you want to read an ending to Simon's story that doesn't suck
Is the Lich's arc done for good?
A fitting end for my favourite jobber.
That's only one world's Litch, and who knows what being turned into a 3D tetromino does to a Litch?
Really though, how long are we going to get more stories with this version of Adventure Time before the inevitable reboot?
Well, we know by this point that the Lich can't really be happy; if he's successful, he's doesn't feel satisfied, but Sweet Pea is still walking around a thousand years in the future.
I'd have to question what could bring up the 'Ice King's legacy' after this, other than something like, say, Ricardio coming back and stealing the Ice Thing's crown or something. There's loose ends to be tied up with Simon, but not the Ice King, unless the next season wants to revisit the science vs magic dichotomy with Simon slowly integrating into the futuristic human society while also engaging with the Ice King's old wizard buddies.
>Simon slowly integrating into the futuristic human society while also engaging with the Ice King's old wizard buddies.
I think the nu-mans are cringe but Simon wizard hangouts sounds comfy.
I actually think that'd be a good way for Simon to get his groove back; he's got the brain to be a wizard, he even does ritual magic and such, and as a ex-academic the technocratic future human's weird hobbies and general incuriosity about the world weirds him out. He could start a band with his old wizard buddies or even become some a teacher at the wizard academy, they are down a history teacher, or even works with Bubblegum to establish some actual halfway point between science and magic that can be taught to people now that she's familiar with both, ect.
From a meta level, yes.
The Lich is never done.
*Our* Lich, aka Prime Lich, is currently within Sweetpea, who is stomping about in Future Ooo alongside Shermy & Beth.
Adventure Time is kind of immune to rebooting. There's just way too much lore. Not to mention, the disconnected nature of the stories makes rebooting much more trouble than its worth.
Adventure Time is only a little over a decade old at this point. It was one of Cartoon Network's most successful shows and was highly influential in Western animation extremely soon after it began airing. It has resisted a reboot so far due to it "growing with its audience", a thing that was only allowed due to its start as a TV-PG series and the dumbing down of accepted entertainment accepted by adults over the past decade or two that allowed young adult fiction to be seen as something adults can read without being embarrassed about it.
Cartoon Network and their overloards at Warner Discovery are most likely fine with Adventure Time continuing as it has so long as they can continue selling merch. There will come a time when the Adventure Time as we know it is too old fashioned for the newest crop of kids and almost all of the original fans have moved on, and by then someone will have tried to turn it into a movie, or a live action TV series, a 3D animated show, or combine it with whatever the newest fad in TV animation happens to be. Adam Muto brought up the idea of a reboot completely disconnected from what they've been making potentially happening someday, and I think it's highly unlikely that it won't happen.
>*Our* Lich, aka Prime Lich, is currently within Sweetpea
No that's a duplicate that was made from Jakes wish. The original Lich, the one who wished to kill everything is the one in Fiona and Cake who got imprisoned in a brick. That's where the dead world came from, it was from the original wish that he made before Jake changed it. The world didn't reset, it just created an alternate one so that both wishes could be fulfilled. Much like how farm world Finn is the original Finn who got changed by his wish for the Lich to never have existed. The one that came back with Jake after that wasn't the one who went with him. It was a new Finn created by Jakes wish.
I hope Simon fionna and cake become dimensional conflict solvers. More at styled adventures would be cool but I'd be happy with them helping other Simon's or other like Simon with their internal struggles.
I still don't get why a follower or worshipper of chaos thinks ending all life is chaotic.
The Lich is a fricking moron, please understand
He saw the result of Golb existing in the material realm once and assumed all the death was intentional rather than something that just happened because they were there.
He assigned intent to a natural occurrence that didn't mean anything.
The whole thing had way too much "continuity" for me, to the point that it's literally about making something "canon"
I don't remember the details of the whole comet stuff, not the best episodes of AT. Having dumb adventures in alternative realities was fun I guess, the overarching plot didn't engage me.
It was a mini-series, just like Stakes, Islands, and Elements were before it. Streaming has unfortunately made "bingeable" "content" more popular, even for series that were better suited at episodic junk.
Honestly I was expecting reconciliation between the IK and Simon. Dude only starts ringing his god GF because he feels displaced and lonely as a normal guy in fricked up Ooo, and everyone keeps talking about stuff he did as the Ice King.
IK has existed longer than the man named Simon Petrikov ever has or ever will. There are literal books of knowledge dedicated to dealing with Ice King-caused problems! The series closes with Simon having a newfound appreciation of his life, but the IK situation is still present in the background. He’s gonna have issues again if he keeps running from himself.
Yeah, in episode 2 they make such a big deal about how Simon hates remembering that he was the Ice King. That's why he hates Fionna and Cake at first: they're a reminder of a part of his past that he wishes never happened. THAT is what his climax should have been about, coming to terms with his past as Ice King instead of making everything revolve around his relationship with Betty. It also ties back to Fionna and Cake a lot better
If only the Litch had got Mr. Grimm's ending in Twisted Metal 2 he would know that killing everybody means there's nobody left to kill.
My issue is that it's not like Betty CAN'T be deGolb'd. My other issue is that the Ice King is a lot funner and I know he's not really dead but he's also not really aive. Betty will probably be Golb forever (because they are cowards) but I wish they would find a medium between Ice King and Simon. Like their personalities merge into one or Ice King comes out on full moons or something.
Simon from Simon and Marcy era was peak. Still himself, but still humorous and prone to outbursts, and with the IK face.
Ice King is just a more traditionally entertaining character. I understand why people might like Simon due to his connection to Betty or the deepening of the stories told by Adventure Time. Personality wise though it's no contest. The Ice King is a funny clown, whereas Simon is bland when he's not crying or drinking.
I don't know if there's a good way to bring back the Ice King in this version of Adventure Time. It's possible to bring him back, just as it was possible to put Flapjack's world into Fionna & Cake's multiverse. The problem is Holly Jolly Secrets established and many, many episodes after that supported the idea that the Ice King persona was a curse foisted upon a guy and basically turned him into deeply mentally unwell person. Even if the Ice King just appeared one day in Ooo without any explanation in a way that didn't involve hurting Simon that Ice King would still not be funny for a lot of people because he's exactly like what Simon was like when he was made unstable by a curse. There were one too many episodes focused on "you shouldn't find the Ice King funny he's hurting inside", which is why so many people didn't like attempts to continue making funny Ice King episodes after HJS.
>so many people didn't like attempts to continue making funny Ice King episodes after HJS
I have to say, I've never really gotten why people are so bothered by this
I know that Ice King is basically a mental disorder, but he still has feelngs and differences. I feel like he deserves a chance.
Simon would've been better if they had kept Ice King's wacky playfulness in his personality but just toned down.
Ice Thing could easily take his role. He doesn't require sympathy because Orgalorg is a world conqueror, so it's a just fate, and thus the mentally ill escapades are now comedic because it's karmic and deserved.
>Betty will probably be Golb forever (because they are cowards)
Changing her back to regular Betty no strings attached would be a pussier move than leaving her Golb'd
>Changing her back to regular Betty no strings attached would be a pussier move than leaving her Golb'd
You could say the same thing about Ice King being turned into Simon.
Adventure time writers do that dumbass shit all the time
I think the weirdest thing in hindsight was Bubblegum making Goliad so powerful, it proves that she can make super-strong candy creatures with psychic powers but it never comes up again. Wonder if it+Stormo+the cat critter Gunther birthed are around in the future Ooo.
That tends to be the case with most shit in the show
Bringing back IK in some way would be the most ideal and entertaining option but then people would b***h about that and muh lessons about relapsing into an addiction or whatever
I still have hope due to him not being around in the deadworlds though. I also think Winter King’s purpose was to introduce the concept of a crowned Simon that’s not all lost
I wish we could at least see more of the Ice Thing, who's supposed to be the replacement of the Ice King.
I wish the writers would do something with it already. I’m tired of people dragging Ice Thing out as an answer to “What about Ice King?” when the character has one whole line and hovers in the BG outside of that.
>Simon has to accept that Betty is now a chaos god, unrecognizable as who she used to be
>she can’t accept him being a chaos wizard, unrecognizable as who he used to be
>this is fine, because Simon is a man.
it's not fair bros.
I knew the series was shit the moment they started wasting time with these two
>always felt robbed that Marceline and Bubblegum got to full-on kiss in the finale, but Marshall and Gumball barely even interacted once and having any kind of past history was only hinted at super briefly in one scene
>then they make Marshall and Gumball boring normal humans without any of that potential history and they're just perfect little gay boys with no rockiness
I'd rather they were their own thing instead of just rule 63 Bubbline anyway.
Sure but I think there were ways to do that rather than just making them be perfect precious softbois.
Plus, this time they met *through* Fionna, so she's inextricably part of the dynamic.
AT had begun to feel like a strong schism between Finn adventures and Bubbline adventures. Now, it's a proper trio.
Or, rather, a proper "main cast", featuring F&C, Gary, Marshall, Huner, & Ellis, in descending order of importance.
homosexuals are incapable of feeling actual love that isn't lust so there's nothing more cringe than all these california writers trying to make the audience think a gay love story can even exist
Casper & Nova inspiration
Don’t care the Casper and nova thing was an extremely hamfisted and stupid way of portraying a problem that wasn’t even a problem
It was to show two things
>Simon left some form of positive legacy not entirely connected to the Ice King
>GloBetty, like Glob, isn't bound by liner time, unlike the other cosmic beings seem to be
thats dumb though
Zeddas makes a lot of sense as a thing to draw inspiration from for Adventure Time. It's fantasy, and the series re-entered the obscure game zeitgeist after the third game in the series was finally proven to not only exist but get uploaded to the internet a few years back.
Cool stuff. I loved the look of Casper and Nova's parts. Gave me the same feelings I had playing 90s adventure games on PC that had absolute dogshit logic puzzles you needed to be an alien to figure out.
I think anon is also missing that their villain is purple tentacle
Thanks doc
I love this 90s mystlike stuff, I only wish it wasn't wasted on a crappy allegory
Why was he always so kino?
Ron Perelman maybe fricked in the head
but his voice acting is always god-tier, so it just need good lines
My fricking wife. I want a statue like that.
So what religion is Golb?
Adventure Time seems to subscribe to some whimsical blend of buddhism and gnosticism. GOLB is some kind of anti-demiurge
>demiurge
What's that?
A demiurge is a creature that creates physical reality. Most people typically think of God as the demiurge, but some people subscribe that it was a different creature, and the true God is above it.
This seems to imply that Abraxas is the demiurge, possibly Orbo's boss. I don't think that's strictly accurate in IRL gnosticism, but I don't know enough to be sure.
It sort of tracks with my theory, though. Abraxas on one end, Golb on the other, and all of existence stretched out in between.
He's the anti-Abraxas
The Lich being depressed and purposeless kind of ruined the character for me, you'd expect that after life was gone he'd just sit still and do nothing and that would be it but no he had to have a greater purpose instead of just being a living plague.
But now I guess this open for a somewhat interesting development: Since supposedly all of The Liches in the multiverse are connected, they should be now aware that they ultimate goal is meaningless to the being they worship, will this mean that now the Lich's behavior will change drastically in each universe?
>Since supposedly all of The Liches in the multiverse are connected
No.
what else should Lich do?
Be in a perfect bliss, sitting with massive grin and sense of accomplishment. Just like Thanos in endgame. Maybe even search ways for more worlds to kill
I think him, like, dissipating into nothingness or something like that after he'd killed everyone else in the world/universe would be pretty cool
What did the Lich even hope to get by pleasing Golb?
>eternal life
Already immortal
>wealth, women, etc
Couldve used the wish for that
>power
Already has magic and can make everyone around fall to their knees with a single word
>making Golb happy
I dont think a giant, static red baby has the charisma any cult leader ought to have for a follower to want that
Golb is absurdly powerful. That was enough for the Lich to want its approval.
So he set his goals to doing something that would impress what is effectively a god, an impossible task. The problem is that the Lich didn't realize that not only was it impossible to impress Golb, Golb doesn't even care that he exists no matter what he does.
If Golb was not even real and just a figment of the Lich's mind, the only thing that would change is that he would have gotten turned into a 3D tetris piece.
*would NOT have gotten turned into a 3D Tetris piece
I think something that would have really helped the ending would be if we had seen some people in fionna's world go back to their magic versions to show that while some people like gary and mashall are happy as their current selves other people like cake would rather go back to how things used to be
Yeah. Really would've helped with the whole 'everyone has a choice' deal.
Hell Gary and Marshall were open to being magical, they just wanted to be together. They could've just given the option of keeping their non-magic memories like Fionna and Cake did.
Why does he look like Muscle Man?
>oh no hermano…
Because the artist is intentionally referencing muscle man for comedic effect
because he was massacred by his hero.
Oh no bro-
https://twitter.com/ShitpostRandom/status/1708567984279539893
oh god
OH NO HERMANO
Is feels so weird with Adventure time here.
It is a weird show though
Adventure Time is weird, so yeah.
That would be a shit ending.
I do have beef with the endings though. Such as the storylines within the alternate universes just getting left unfinished.
Are Cake and Fionna still alright despite it all?
They’re basically back to the status quo, except Cake gets to stay a magic talking cat
Really?
Fionna got a new appreciation for her normie life, Cat is now a talking magic cat, and there's a handful of weird stuff in her normal world too.
Lately Ive been watching 1 or 2 episodes before dropping the various show. I dont think I managed to finish a series in the last year. The fact that F&C made me watch all 10 episodes is a feat in itself
>Lich got a ridiculous motivation in not explaining what he could ever hope to get from Golb
>Only Fionna and her close friends matter, sorry BMO, eat dirt
>Simon's resolution is "give up on trying to save Betty" when she was fused with Magic and can be unfused with magic
>Scarab gets off scot free despite all the casualities caused by Fionna and Cake being his responsibility
>Betty comes off as a seething jerk
It's a little rough around the edges.
>Lich got a ridiculous motivation in not explaining what he could ever hope to get from Golb
I dont think the writers would be smart enough to make something good for that one, so maybe leaving it unknown ended up for the better
>Scarab gets off scot free
200 years being the loyal maid of the guy he was seething about the whole time is not 'scot free'
Scarab is immortal, 200 years is like a night in the drunk tank for him
The intro lied they went on no adventures in Ooo
They are gone now huh?
is old Finn showing young Finn his dick?
Yeah but it's fine, he's just showing off Marcy's bite marks on it.
Honestly this should have never been created I feel so cheated right now
The part about them removing the magic from stuff they touch just disappeared from the story. Considering it killed Winter King, you'd think it was an important plot point.
It was just a lazy plot device, don't think about it too much.
Not even removing magic (BmO turned into a clock) it just “normalized” things.
The whole time I was predicting and thinking “wow adventure time writers, youre setting up the solution for how they solve the golbetty problem and it actually (kind of) makes sense and is being appropriately foreshadowed throughout. I’m actually surprised since usually you guys just pull stuff out of your ass for the ending of anything and fumble it completely, Im proud of you guys that you’re going to actually pull it off this time.”
Then the final two episodes release and it’s never brought up or even talked about and they pull the ending “solution” out of their ass (or rather Simons head) and it’s just complete dogshit all around. “Erm, yes Simon actually it IS stupid to look for a solution to save your girlfriend in a world where magic and nonsense solutions are abundant just move on its the HEALTHY thing to do get over it” It’s my own fault because I had any semblance of faith in them being in anyway competent. I wanted to believe dammit.
You can only have your faith on Jesus alone.
Any other man will disappoint you.
You got any other paths to Heaven?
>Show Fionna touching Simon
>Immediately after, show a random garbo transform into garlic
>Thought this was going to foreshadow Fi turning a crown-cursed Simon back to normal after regretting her decision
>Nothing ever comes from it
>No one even acknowledges that Fi and Cake are turning things 'normal' even after BMO's corpse is turned into an alarm clock in front of everyone
It really felt like a dropped plot point to me. Scarab did mention that F&C infected other worlds during their adventure and the garbo's transformation did have a time delay after being touched so maybe the infection they caused is much worse than the few items we saw. Dealing with that could be a major plot point if they ever do S2
Does anyone have that golbetty drawing full of colors?
Here's another
After rewatching Stakes, I think Simon should be killed tbh
I wonder how much of the finale's writing decisions were influenced by the fact they didn't know if a renewal is even an option
haunted them like a spectre, I’m sure
There was no pay off for this shit.
It happened a bunch of times, but in completely pointless ways besides the winter king's crown, and kept happening afterward.
More canon events.
now I'm nervous as to why Ellis P was hiding in Fionna's apartment.
He followed Marshall, they're homeless.
Marshall sleeps in his van, because he doesn't want to live in his mom's building. That's why he was using Fionna's shower.
Ellis is proper tent-in-the-woods homeless, just like LSP.
Bringing back betty would've defeated the purpose of simon's arc entirely.
They should've brought back Betty, had a tearful, happy reunion, and just when the show's about to end they pull back and reveal Simon was in a VR machine the whole time.
now I want to see this comic redrawn but with Betty, Simon, and Fionna
Im so confused. Whose virtual and whose real
How would that changes everything?
Not op, but i don't know either?
When is this series going to hit japan? The guys over there are going to go absolutely ballistic over it and I can't wait.
>Live a mundane life
>Get summoned by not-God out into the beyond
>Team up with your universe's warden to travel the multiverse in search of a way to fix your world
>Encounter a world where all life is extinct except for the person who did it
>He has verbal mind control powers and isn't silly at all
>And he's also an undead skeleton wizard wearing the formerly-decaying skin of a person
Probably the scariest moment of their lives.
People defend this ending like they wrote it lol
So tired of Hollywood saying "just go to therapy and accept reality"
What if the message was "accept the reality if body and accept that you will never be a woman/man"?
How would Adem Muto, Rebecca Sugar or Noelle Zippertit Stevenson like that mesMotorola,
Why do people draw so much yaoi with this old man?
So in the Vampire AU, does Magic Man still get banished to Earth after causing trouble on Mars? I assume that still happens in the Winter King AU, but I’m curious about the Vampire one.
the future
Ahhh that felt good. Okay carry on, Cinemaphilemmies. I’m gonna go watch some animes.
I'M NOT REALLY FEELING LIKE MYSELF TODAY