what are other examples of japanese kino that shits on aspects of japanese culture and otakus?
what are other examples of japanese kino that shits on aspects of japanese culture and otakus?
what are other examples of japanese kino that shits on aspects of japanese culture and otakus?
>kino
lol
name a better kino in the same vein
protip you can't
>in the same vein
that's like asking for the most solid piece of shit in a heap of diarrhea
>the most solid piece of shit in a heap of diarrhea
didn't ask for your parents diet
not an argument
>shits
the story is based on the murder of Selina
Wasn't this all in some other b***hes head?
nah, the murders did happen.
What I mean to ask, isn't the reality perspective portrayed from the washed up old managers perspective? I don't think the main pop idol girl was the one hallucinating but it's been like twelve years since I've seen the film so I'm fuzzy on the details.
The manager was insane and had this split personality or something where she saw herself as the pop star.
why are stalkers always portrayed in the most hideous way possible
End of evangelion. The director murdered off 99% of the characters because he hated otakus constantly arguing about who was the "best girl".
Bad writing. No subtlety at all so they have to hit you over the head with everything. Very common in anime.
yes, because that guy who sent Bjork a surprise in the mail was tOtaLLy a doppleganger of brad pitt
The coolest thing about that phenotype is it's racist.
That's what the Japanese think the Chinese look like.
I mean most otaku ain't exactly top models let's be honest.
why are rapists in hentai always so fricking ugly huh?
who ever heard of handsome rapists
Read anything written by a woman ever. Rapists they write are always handsome as frick and with a wiener of such girth that it forgives them of all crimes.
yaoi too you are right
>nooo my self-insert has to be a 10/10 Hollywood model!
Stalkers are ugly on the inside, and anime extrapolates this ugliness to the outside as well.
UGLY BASTARD is a very popular doujin hentai tag my young anon
>Times when Japan behaved like Hollywood by shitting on it's audience for the heinous crime of liking something Japan had made for them and expected them to pay for.
Yeah Japan doesn't really do that. What they do instead is accept their audience for who they are and show them ways to improve their life without sacrificing the things they love.
Picrel - "Otakus can be soldiers too, so why not come down to the recruiting office so we can invade an isekai with tanks and helicopters. Who knows, there might be a gothic e-girl in it for you?"
>Yeah Japan doesn't really do that.
Yeah, Japanese cinema has plenty of criticisms of otaku. Vermin like you are the death of the medium.
Can you name a couple?
No he can't. Because he's just having a kvetch that the Japanese keep eating hollywood's lunch by being basically competent.
The thread is about Perfect Blue because he hasn't actually seen an anime made this century, excepting a few episodes of Naruto.
Damn.. I wanted to see weebs getting mocked
You're going to be waiting a while. There's nothing to mock weebs about any more.
I mean hollywood has literally gone from shitting itself to death, to not even managing that pathetic spectacle.
Every day you create more weebs from what used to be nerds because your pathetic cope is so transparent.
What are you going to do if we actually did stop watching anime? Go back to pretending your opinion on capeshit matters? Jesus frick you idiots have only just RECENTLY figured out that nobody is watching Marvel any more. You could figure out what's cool in Antarctica.
>Point out the writing in a dogshit isekai is bad
>HEH NICE COPE IDIOT, MARVEL MARVEL MARVEL CAPESHIT CAPESHIT CAPESHIT
Anon, the only marvel film I ever watched I don't even remember because I went with a girl and we gave eachother oral during the whole thing because the theater was fricking empty. I don't give a frick about your paranoid schizophrenia, that isekai was fricking awful. It repeatedly setup plotlines that went nowhere, every threat was a nothingburger, it wasn't interesting it wasn't funny it had ZERO redeeming qualities. It was a bad show. I'm not talking about otaku culture, your obsession with anime or whatever schizo film category you consider to be the boogey man. I'm talking about THAT show. It was SHIT. You can 100% have wish fulfillment shows that still have reasonable characters and storytelling.
you're the only one mentioning capeshit to deflect from the fact that you consume trashnime because you are a pathetic loser and no other reason.
>you are a pathetic loser
Yeah Black person, that's why I hang out on Cinemaphile.
What the frick are you doing here?
you're a homosexual who resorts to obvious strawmanning in an attempt to win an online argument. Now cry more about some capeshitters, , marvel, and whatnot when it has actually no place.
Who asked tho?
Otaku are an example of a grassroots creative culture. The people who consume anime/manga become the people who create anime/manga which is then consumed by those who will later create it. The culture is insular and often imitative as a consequence but the circle system ensures any voice can profit off of their unique vision.
Hollywood is purely topdown. The CEO decides which product the people will see and creativity is concentrated beneath a handful of megacorps. Popular original works when adapted are butchered to meet the agenda and satisfy the vanity of the adapters, like the Witcher, Halo, and RoPe. It's an elite telling the audience no, this is what you should like, and this is what you should think.
Japanese audience and creators are largely the same. Hollywood creatives despise their audience. This is why they hate otaku so much, because they are a) create highly popular works, b) are autarchic and insular, and c) due to their grassroots nature are difficult to subvert.
the losers who obsessively consume only anime/manga grow into soulless degenerates who lower down the culture and have become responsible for its decline because they lack human qualities. Majority of otakus are not worth saving and are as bad as some hollyisraelite artists who push their not so secret agenda.
Lmao lower down what culture. Isn't hollywood already doing that to the west while more watch anime, what hole are you living in? do you still think western culture is relevant?
> do you still think western culture is relevant?
for the japanese mangakas and writers it still is.
It doens't lower down anything because people like their categories just like hollywood has categories like horror, sci fi drama, etc.
there's bad and good art. You need certain human qualities and experience in order to be able to produce good art. Things that speak to the soul and aren't just shocking or mere entertainment. That's why most subhumans can't produce art.
>seen an anime made this century
Christ, why would you want to?
>doesn't watch Samurai Champloo
>doesn't watch Monster
>doesn't watch Casshern
...it can't be this easy to bait people now.
Anyway, add Planetes and Texhnolyze. I'll give those a look, anon.
>Texhnolyze
yeah if you're a pretentious moron who likes shows that are boring on purpose
Touche
>anime should stimulate my monkey brain!!! I NEED DOPAMINE AAAAAH
nah in Perfect Blue you can see two types of otaku those who are big fans and follow idols but lead normal lives and the other type who became otakus as a result of being socially inept and total losers so the hobby they consume becomes the only thing they have going in their lives
and they always ugly
thanks for buying our merch, suckers!
I mean, yeah. Why the frick would a good looking guy who can get b***hes have idols as his main hobby lmao unless he works on the industry himself of course. It's the less graceful and who are doing bad in the looks department who will have no escape and be shaped as otakus if they were to grow in Japan and later display shameful and in extreme cases sick and appalling behaviour.
no need to be good looking just average or barely average OP comes as borderline disfigured
that's a characteristic of Satoshi Kon many consider it a flaw. When drawing ugly people he does portray them as ugly as possible but it adds certain realism because everyone has seen or knows a person like that so you can identify them. And we humans are biased and attribute bad and negative things to ugly people.
That's dumb. You're dumb.
Perfect blue had nothing to do with Otaku culture. It was just an early animated feature that helped sow the seed of what would become Otaku culture. Back then the Japanese still thought cartoons were for kids, it wasn't until after the asian economic crisis and the Japanese real estate crash that the Japanese started to take cultural products like anime seriously.
The reason you think it's important is because it was one of a block of anime that were bought up by Madman and redubbed creating a brief but impactful fad in the west around the VHSs and you literally have not kept up with anything after that.
It's the same old shit you post every day, DBZ, Eva, Naruto, Bezerk, etc. It's not just that you missed a massive upheaval in Japanese pop-culture either, it's that you missed several sequentially. Perfect Blue is about as relevant to Otaku culture as the Wizard of Oz.
>Perfect blue had nothing to do with Otaku culture
>t-there's no otaku culture back then
>p-pic related, those men are not otaku in the least
It's like you Black person didn't even watch the movie. Perfect blue is from the late 90s. There was an otaku culture by then. Read more and pay attention, you 75 IQ Black person.
>There was an otaku culture by then.
Not the shit you're talking about there wasn't.
That's an apt assessment, but it's not true to say there's no top-down corporatization in Japanese pop-culture. In fact there was an entire period, broadly 2001 to 2012 where it was the corporatization of it was a huge problem. After the Asian economic crisis the Japanese bigwigs realized there was money and prestige in manga and particularly anime exports. So they politicians, bureaucrats and executives interfering all up and down the production chain in what came to be known as the "photocopy period" probably exemplified the most by Naruto was was an attempt to repeat the success of DBZ.
But of course that failed, and there were many other failures during that time, but from Manga which was much bigger and thus harder to control from the top the learned that where they managed least they managed best.
Then began the broad investment period which is roughly 2007 to 2017, after which we arrived at the current period of seasonal anime, where that realization that all management has to do is make sure the nerds are eating properly and yell at them about deadlines. They'll figure it out themselves.
And that's the system now in place which is what you're talking about.
Goddamn, so many typos, I've had too much coffee. Time for a chill pill.
Black person you're autistic but the moronic type. You just contradicted yourself in your post. You're the type of moron who likes to talk out of his ass about topics you're not well informed so you always come off as a dunce no matter what. Must suck having to be wrong all the time and worst, get offended because you lack reading comprehension. You're lost in life.
List of things that are not an argument:
>some other stuff
good post
to be fair otaku culture or geek culture the message was clear thou?
People who are nerds are thought as ugly and losers everywhere.
In Japan especially they hate them, they want to get far away from that stereotype as possible.
>In Japan especially they hate them, they want to get far away from that stereotype as possible.
Not even remotely true.
Look at Gate.
Itami's whole character is explicitly Otaku. He'll fight for king and country if he has to, but only if it doesn't interfere with his convention attendance plans. Meanwhile the chick soldier keeps getting BTFO because she thinks like you do.
Because women are thought to be stupid everywhere.
You can also look at Mushoku Tensei, which kinds of is what you're talking about, the MC was Hikikomori in his previous life, but it's all about recognizing his nobility, not just for him to see it in himself, but for us in the audience to see it too.
There are plenty of other examples. An fairly clishe anime from 1998 just has no bearing on modern Otaku culture. Oshi-no-ko (which I haven't seen) is probably an update on the themes you're think you're seeing, but (and again I haven't seen it) I very much doubt it confirms your biases.
lmao easy you are coping so much.
You are showing anime examples for how otakus are seen in real life, really?
I live in Japan and I know every single normie stays far away from the anime stereotype, if anything they are westernboos.
>You are showing anime examples for how otakus are seen in real life, really?
I am answer a post that presents Perfect Blue (1998) as proof that
>People who are nerds are thought as ugly and losers everywhere.
I don't know what part of Japan you're hanging around in, but any Jap who hates a world leading export industry worth half a trillion dollars probably isn't worth listening to.
What do these supposed normie friends of yours do with themselves? Entry level jobs at corporations they don't understand at best?
Also are you sure they're westernboos and not just being polite to the westerner? Because they do that.
Japanese people are as normie as a normie could possibly be, even generic Europeans and Americans come off as more eccentric.
I don't know the jobs I just know they avoid talking about anime or anything weeb related as much as possible, only entry level like maybe dragon ball, but they love Hollywood and movies.
>they love Hollywood and movies.
Yeah now I know you're talking shit. You had me up until that point, but everyone knows how parochial the Japanese are about culture.
>Yeah now I know you're talking shit.
He's not and you're delusional. Literally the most successful movies out of Japan every single month are American films. Imagine here if our biggest box office film was a Japanese film? That would never happen and yet in their country, our movies are among the most popular. It's always been that way and our influence on their cinema is blatantly obvious.
>Literally the most successful movies out of Japan every single month are American films.
Oh look, an outright lie.
>here
Fricking fatburgers.
>Oh look, an outright lie.
Prove me wrong moron. The most popular movies in Japan RIGHT now are Indiana Jones, Little Mermaid. and the Mario movie.
>Mario is American
This has to be it. This has to be peak cope. The absolute state of burgers.
>American studio with American actors except one I think
yeah it's as American as you can get.
>Chris Pratt did the voice for the Japanese release
IT GETS STUPIDER!!!
Yeah Mario is not american, Mario is Italian.
lol, I wish I made it up.
Everyone doesn't know shit then, they only care for what's cool, and they love western culture, Italian and french as well.
Yeah Black person you're not the only guy who's been to Japan. Don't kid a kidder.
just watch some interviews in japan from one of the many youtube channels that puts them out weekly and you will see
This can't possibly be true, fricking daicom V was made like 20 years earlier and anno was an otaku. You're full of shit.
That show was pure liquid diarrhea, it was especially bad even when compared to your usual wish fulfillment isekai slop.
Yeah I only watched it because I like the premise. But the actual show is complete asssssssssssss
Damn, weebs are really deranged.
Perfect Blue is moronic. The twist relies on every single character being mentally ill. It's contrived, and I don't know why people like it.
You just didn't understand the movie and the beauty of it. It's kino 10/10
>The twist relies on every single character being mentally ill
that's usual behaviour for asians
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei often makes fun of japanese culture and politics, although a lot of the jokes are now outdated given that it aired 15 years ago.
Welcome to the NHK delves into otaku/NEET culture.
Paranoia Agent (same director as Perfect Blue) criticises Japan's obsession with escapism and moeshit
>shits on an otaku for no reason at all
otakus(japanese) are a mixed bag but weaboos (gaijin)are always subhumans and incels.
>Anime shits on otaku escapism
>It ends with protag being a wagie salaryman
Welcome To The NHK
City Hunter has an episode making fun of idol fans.
IIRC, when people used to develop games (back in the 80's and mid 90's), they also used nicknames. You can see credits from games from that era, and there's not a single real name in some of them.
That was to help protect the company from talent poaching, which was a big issue back then.
It shits on fat women too since they will never be as hot as an idol
not really since the manager was actually an idol during her youth, she becomes an idol manager after she gets old and her looks vanish.
That Godzilla movie where he's a zombie possessed by pissed off ghosts.
>41 replies
>no OnV
you don't deserve a fricking thing
I don't know because I only watch anime for otaku
Eden of the East
I only watch good anime. I don't give a shit about Otaku culture.
The thread is pretty shit but I'll just post random kino to make up for it
>kino
It's one of my lower-rated animes on myAnimeList. The ending "twist" is just bad and kills the entire story for me. It's just not believable at all.
>It's one of my lower-rated animes on myAnimeList.
That's only because it's not very good. It appeals to a certain type of westerner who care more about appearing to have taste than actually having taste, who also have occasional contact with weebs.
But there's only a few hundred of them in the world. So they can be easily ignored.
what's not believable about it?
It's been a while since I saw it, but the most unbelievable thing I remember is that we are supposed to believe that a short fat 50-year old japanese woman can jump and run around like a fricking cat, as seen in the ending chase sequence. Sure, they show that she's "tired" every now and then, but that doesn't even begin to justify the acrobatics.
What did he think was going on to get gaslit so hard, did he think the real Minami was just 1990s deepfakes or some shit?
The old art style was so much better. Modern anime look like complete shit. Like something literally made by an AI.
I'm watching Bastard season 2 which is clearly supposed to be an homage to "old style art" and holy shit do I disagree with you on that.
I get that it's supposed to feel like an 80s hair metal wet dream, but does it really have to do absolutely everything as a pan over still?
Cell Art nostalgia is silly. It's like pretending the animation on Snow White was good.
>Cell Art nostalgia is silly. It's like pretending the animation on Snow White was good.
This is just silly to read
Imagine jerking yourself off for liking a 90 year old disney princess movie.
how can you not eye orgasm and the intro book for snow white
Because it's the best they could do with pre-ww2 technology, not the roof of the Sistine Chapel.
Get your hand off it.
Snow white has more fluid animation than all the anime. All of them, in all their talking heads stilted animation glory. Walt has never been surpassed by guroriusu nipahinpon
anastasia sucks but the animation is shockingly good
>I'm watching Bastard season 2 which is clearly supposed to be an homage to "old style art" and holy shit do I disagree with you on that.
First of all. modern Bastard doesn't look like any old anime. It has more detail in it's character designs than most modern anime which may give the impression of something old which is notable but it does not even remotely look like anything that came out 25 years ago. It doesn't even resemble the old Bastard OVAs. It's literally it's own unique art style.
Are you watching season 2 or are you talking about season 1.
I don't remember season 1 that well, but I remember it being better. Just finished episode 2, there's been one fight which was animated "cell art style" otherwise it's just been people standing around talking intercut with fan service and one guy getting lectured for being a perv every other minute.
snow white was a masterpiece still to this day it absolutely destroys every other animated feature with the presentation alone
go to sleep grandpa
To Love Ru is 15 years old already
and it wasn't good then either.
The manga was Godlike tho
Wtf is the order to these panels?
There's maybe 10 good anime overall.
I can easily name 50
You can't. You will name many shitty shows and movies that wouldn't be even 5/10 if put against live action.
You haven't even seen enough anime to come to this conclusion. You just watch seasonal garbage and think that represents the entire 100 year old medium.
What makes some more averse to weebshit than others? Even the worst of weebshit, I've never thought it was any more cringe than so many other archetypes of cringe, but some people act like it's the worst offender.
Meanwhile, I'm completely averse to all things asiaticshit. So what makes these differences in temperament?
It's very childish. The majority of anime feels like something made for actual manchildren who just want to jerk off. It's like something made for monkeys, not actual human beings.
That can describe many things. Why single out weebshit to hate it the most?
Because there are people coming here and claiming that anime is superior to Western entertainment. Anime as a whole is on the level of capeshit and YA fiction. There are very few shows and movies that are actually good and mature.
>There are very few shows and movies that are actually good and mature.
so the beacon of good entertainment is being mature or sophisticated? Most entertainment in general is braindead garbage regardless where it's made.
So far, the worst you've said of anime is "it's immature". I feel like you're mincing words here. Tell me how you really feel about it.
The fact that it's foreign, in a different language entirely.
On top of being a cartoon, which is already pretty off-putting, add in the culture asskissing that goes along with it and weebs are seen as true freaks.
I am a weeb
I don't read manga or anime anymore
I read Japanese books, study Japanese history and watch Japanese films
I cook Japanese cook and have an interest in Japanese architecture, art and crafts
I last studied Japanese when I was 15 in High School
*cook Japanese food
You sound like a bit of a douchebag tbh, not sure what you're doing on Cinemaphile let alone ITT.
I like movies and television
While the US was putting out braindead Scooby-Doo and Jabberjaw cartoons, Japan was putting out literal masterpieces that even adults could watch and be amazed by
official english lyrics that give context
Basically Perfect Blue for the zoomer gen.
>another generic copy & paste anime girl with no lips and a dot nose
every time
Can someone recommend good incest series like Yosuga No Sora?
The only official not hentai anime I can think of is Koi Kaze and it's actually pretty decent and cozy to watch. Also the ED theme is awesome. The only other one is KissXSis but that one is a meme
Shits on the salaryman, isolation aspect of Jap soc but not otaku:
In the masterpiece anthology "Memories" the second film
>Stink Bomb
>worker at a drug company takes some experimental biowarefare agent pills by mistake instead of cold&flu tablets and everyone starts fricking dying and everyone's out to get him and he has no idea why
Stink Bomb is not even the best segment from that movie
The space station AI story is fricking KINO
yeah it's probably the only great one to be honest
Sells you the same shit you’ve already watched. Halfway through bombards you with garbage CGI and a disjointed narrative. Then after waiting thirteen years for a satisfying end you’re told to go outside and touch grass. Anno is one sick bastard.
why hasnt anyone made a worldwide released movie about Unit 731?
that shit was fricked up, whats even more fricked up is that a bunch of the stuff they did is a hentai fetish
Is there a cinegrid of Angels Egg? I wish there were more directors in anime like Mamoru Oshii. There is just so many anime I am not into. It's mostly old anime
Of course
Those kinds of social commentary series are always super edgelordy and exaggerated on purpose tho. The best anime and manga about Otaku are the ones like Genshiken where Otakus and the culture are shown in an actually realistic and accurate way with them being presented as actual people instead of 1 dimensional comic relives or edge lord psychopaths.
Genshiken is a top 5 most cozy anime of all time. That shit rules.
>realistic
We don't have Otaku clubs irl
my school did
it was called "anime club"
it smelled as bad as you would imagine
>in irl otakus were cute girls
>not pandering
It's clearly pandering there are better stories about otakus
Most of the otakus in Genshiken were avarage looking nips, with the exception of one prettyboy who was into games, and one cosplay freak. The other cute girls were foreign weebs that went there on trips, and seeing all the vlogs of western girls doing just that, I think this might be realistic.
It only felt like pandering when it shifted into being a romcom by the end.
Just say that you didn't actually watch or read it. Believe me that the girls are only cute on the outside.
>cute on the outside.
Already unrealistic.
>safe bigotry
this show is basically 1 giant critique of japanese modern culture, and even has an entire season arc about the otaku problem
>otaku problem
>most of the crazy people are ''normies''
So what's the problem with otakus again
Perfect Blue's primary goal wasn't to display the dangers of Otaku culture but of Idol culture. How are you Black folk ITT missing this? You can see how the protagonist slowly devolves from Idol work into acting and then softcore porn into straight up porn, as was hinted by the producer's line towards the end of the movie, it's because idols in real life find themselves in that exact same position. Many ex-idols are now JAV actresses. They got sexually abused during their idol careers too but mostly by their producers or whoever it took to get work/a good "gig"
Tokyo Godfathers is by far the best thing Satoshi Kom ever made