Which part of that post wasn't clear to you? Here, I'll help: every single communist, marxist, leninist, socialist, bolshevik, etc, should cave their skull caved in with a sledgehammer
and before that he was a undercover cop that took brain plasticity chemichals by choice. worshipping life as gods gift is based, loathing it is cringe.
We might get one if there's ever a movie based on one of those Petter Watts books with the vampires. No money in making a pure antinatalist movie though, it would only be watched by people from like two niche subreddits.
Personally I wish I'd never been born, and I agree that it's a bit of a gamble if any given child will go through life experiencing more happiness than suffering. The scales do seem to tip towards happiness though, otherwise we'd already be extinct by now.
There are eight billion people on earth, unless you are literally sterile there WILL be at least one person of the opposite gender who is poor, fugly, crazy or desperate enough to have a baby with you.
So can your average Cinemaphile incel enter into a lifelong, faithful marriage with an intelligent 10/10 from their own country and have 5 children who all grow up to be brain surgeons and rocket scientists? No. Can they import a desperate third-worlder or frick local junkies until something takes? Yes. So "you will never have children" just isn't a very good insult.
You have not done and will not do 99.999% of the things you "can" do. That cope will last you until either your deathbed or death by your own hand. Only then you will realize you let it all slip by, all the doors of possibility left forever unopened.
>dude, just lay down on the ground and let yourself die. Nothing matters, humanity was a mistake. >What? Family? That's egotistical, bro. Breeders are sadists. It's also why I won't kill myself, that's too egotistical, which coincidentally suits me fine, hahaha. >W-w-what do you mean my views are selfish? But the cool loser on that TV show said...well...uh...f-frick you!
He does acknowledge this. Rust says that he tells himself that he "bears witness," but the truth is that is just his programming and that he lacks the constitution for suicide.
The problem with humanity is that they think they know the truth in themselves. This whole quote explores his idea from an evolutionary perspective as if it was fully understood which it isnt. You then have to explore whether you live in a deterministic cosmos which makes your whole existence merely a totality of a greater thing rather than something that could be seen individually.
>hold le gun to average nihilist head >screaming and crying noo you can't just kill me that's wrong doe
Why do they always convince themselves that doing nothing with purpose is endearing? NEETs have better values than normies nihilists because they understand their own way of coping and aren't nearly as defensive. Nihilists don't have meaning
I don't see how anyone of stable mind can look at where human society is at and where it's going and actually choose to bring a child of their own blood into it.
Same. It boggles my mind. But the biological imperative is just that strong. not to mention all the cultural conditioning trying to frame procreation as a societal good, even though it is patently immoral
>not wanting to bring a child into this hellscape implies you're suicidal
I'll live it out long enough to see whether society crumbles or not. If we fall into another lull, the yeah I'm checking out
>That we should all be grateful little slaves because our masters let us live extra long?
If you dont want to be slave to a broader society, then move to a tribal community or learn how to be self reliant and live off grid. The problem is that you still want the instant gratification of modern society but make yourself feel like your above it.
What the frick are you talking about? Move to what tribe? I'm a fricking white American. There's no such thing as tribes. >live off grid
Do you want to give me the money to buy some self-sufficient property in the middle of nowhere?
Do you city-enslaved subhumans really believe it's that easy to just frick off from society? That you can actually live without the powers that be controlling you?
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Do you really think that's all there is to life? Just living it as long as you possibly can? That we should all be grateful little slaves because our masters let us live extra long?
Unironically have a nice day. Bam, problem solved.
What problem? Tell me what my problem is and how suicide solves it.
But you don't know what I'm talking about, because your simple brain is only capable of eating, sleeping and pressing buttons on your phone. You don't have the capacity for existential thought.
>Do you want to give me the money to buy some self-sufficient property in the middle of nowhere?
Literally admits to being a lazy sack of shit lmao >Do you city-enslaved subhumans really believe it's that easy to just frick off from society? That you can actually live without the powers that be controlling you? >NO UR THE CITY BUGMEN NOT ME WHO WANTS EVERYTHING GIVEN TO ME!
Listen to the dubsman [...]
Good argument
9 months ago
Anonymous
There is literally nothing in this world, be it past, present or future, that would ever satisfy someone with a deficient brain like yours.
Antinatalism is something is diametrically opposed to life itself. You will never amount to anything other than screaming into an empty room full of other dead people that actually went through with removing themselves into the life they despise so much, while regular people will continue to live their lives with their families and loved ones.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I've decided you can't be convinced so I won't bother trying
I accept your concession >antinatalism
I'm not antinatalist, you monkey. I know having buzzwords and labels is the only way your simple brain can move forward, but try to actually argue with the words instead of the labels.
>Tell me what my problem is and how suicide solves it
nta but you're a lazy sack of shit who quits doing anything that requires a modicum of effort.
Maybe you're right actually; YOU shouldn't reproduce, that way the gene pool doesn't have anymore whiny sacks of shit polluting it.
>ur lazy!
Nice argument.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>disergards whole post because of one word
Concession accepted. have a nice day now.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The whole post was screeching about antinatalists and saying my life is nothing. What do you want me to address that with? No?
You're an idiot, dude. You need to actually work on arguing your points instead of seething and telling people to kill themselves, unless you have no intention to convince anyone of your views
9 months ago
Anonymous
>convincing other people >over the internet
That's impossible. People don't change their ways unless you publicly shame them or physically abuse them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You can't explain to a dog why they can't do math.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Tell me what my problem is and how suicide solves it
nta but you're a lazy sack of shit who quits doing anything that requires a modicum of effort.
Maybe you're right actually; YOU shouldn't reproduce, that way the gene pool doesn't have anymore whiny sacks of shit polluting it.
>Do you want to give me the money to buy some self-sufficient property in the middle of nowhere?
Literally admits to being a lazy sack of shit lmao >Do you city-enslaved subhumans really believe it's that easy to just frick off from society? That you can actually live without the powers that be controlling you? >NO UR THE CITY BUGMEN NOT ME WHO WANTS EVERYTHING GIVEN TO ME!
Listen to the dubsman
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Unironically have a nice day. Bam, problem solved.
>Move to what tribe? I'm a fricking white American. There's no such thing as tribes.
Sell everything you own and move to another country or there are self sufficient communities in america where you give all your life savings and live for the betterment of a small group of people. Do you think you are born into this world deserving of a bed and food? Its only because there are 'masters' in this society that you might be given one. To be truly free from the constraints of a society you must become the master of yourself and therefore sacrifice some things in order to get to a greater goal. >Do you want to give me the money to buy some self-sufficient property in the middle of nowhere?
You have a computer, you can self educate. Then you can sell it with anything else you own and frick off the internet and leave us alone.
There's literally some useless gay from Cinemaphile who went to live in the wilderness with zero resources. He's been at it for years and he still lives. If you feel so strongly about this then should do the same, otherwise shut your homosexual nihilist mouth because your "opinion" is abhorrent.
>do you want to give me the money to buy some self-sufficient property in the middle of nowhere?
lol, I'd like to think posts like this are self-aware and actually good bait, but I don't think so unfortunately
I live in a city to work and have an apartment. I have money saved that I intend to go ins with a friend on a piece of land in rural Arizona for. I've done all the calculation, I know exactly what we'll need to be self-sustaining, and I can tell you it's gonna take me several more years of saving, and I'll need to continue working and living in the city for several more years as we work on the land in order to make it permanently livable.
common misconception.
just because possible lives arent worth starting doesnt mean actual lives arent worth living.
I'm not saying the world is bad (although it is). I'm saying that it's bad to force someone into it (i.e. childbearing)
>you shouldn't have kids because.... LE TRANNIES AND Black folk
I wonder who could be behind this post...................................
Yeah, i mean its not like we live an extra 30 years compared to 200 years ago or have access to amenities we never had. People in the middle ages werent this stupid.
Do you really think that's all there is to life? Just living it as long as you possibly can? That we should all be grateful little slaves because our masters let us live extra long?
>That we should all be grateful little slaves because our masters let us live extra long?
If you dont want to be slave to a broader society, then move to a tribal community or learn how to be self reliant and live off grid. The problem is that you still want the instant gratification of modern society but make yourself feel like your above it.
Yeah, i mean its not like we live an extra 30 years compared to 200 years ago or have access to amenities we never had. People in the middle ages werent this stupid.
>we should all just kill ourselves
When did I say that? I'm not even antinatalist. I love kids and would love to have some of my own. But the thought of bringing them into this mind-controlled hellscape is horrifying. >the only way to fix societies problems is to have families and rebuild communities
How fricking naive are you? For one - actual, smart and upright people are having less kids than replacement rate, while subhumans and the mentally challenged are having multitudes more than replacement. How are you gonna fix that? That alone should be enough to tell you where civilization is going.
But that's not even the half of it - children are being psychologically manipulated by advertisers and data-gatherers from birth, media for kids is more mind-numbing than it has been at any other point in history and it's not improving. "Public Education" as we know it was already an extremely flawed concept, but it has now become a monstrous machine that is designed to pump out hollow, robotic shells. Learning is dead, IQs have plummeted (and probably haven't been at their peak since the 19th century), skills and abilities have regressed (when tech can do everything for you, why learn how to do it yourself?).
Then there's the climate bullshit if you're into that - I don't think it's as human-caused as they say, but it's definitely changing. But even if you don't buy that, you can't deny how corrupted the environment has become - plastic in every newborn's blood, unstudied chemicals in your water, plenty of new shit every day that we just don't have enough experience with to call safe. Who knows what it's doing to our brains?
None of these problems existed a hundred years ago. Yeah, things like this will eventually be solved and humanity will always find a way, but when? Ten years from now? No. Fifty years from now? I doubt it, but even if so do you want to bring up a child that will live most of their life like this? Could go on, but char limit
>I'm not reading that, but here's my response
Why even bother? Why is every one of you like this? You don't want to argue, you just want to spout your view and say you're right because anyone who disagrees is x. Do you really not see how backward and pointless this is? I'd like to think if you're arguing in favor of having children you're a competent adult, but are you possibly underage?
I don't see how anyone of stable mind can look at where human society is at and where it's going and actually choose to bring a child of their own blood into it.
got two kids. am optimistic about the future but know i will have to change things by my own hand if things are to become better.
people plugged into the modern consumerist machine and thinking they dont want kids is something i will never understand.
i just dont understand choosing to suicide your whole family line because you want funko pops and dont like responsibility.... sure dont
>your whole family line because you want funko pops and dont like responsibility.
Isn't this just evolution at work? Maybe if I had better genetics I would have a more positive outlook. I would be having dinner with my beautiful loving wife after a fulfilling day at work instead of posting here. I don't want to make a mini-me who is going to go through the same suffering as me.
I might not be happy overall but there are things I enjoy still like movies and I am also curious about the future and how far technological progress will go.
I sit at my computer at home mostly so I dont think I'm wasting that many resources. My carbon footprint is pretty low.
>being born and living sucks major diarrhea donkey dick >"why don't you have a nice day?"
Antinatalistsisters... how do we respond without sounding mad?
I know a couple like this and the wife is a huge prostitute, I know for a fact she's cheated on her chubby techbro "hubby."
In general there's literally no fricking point to be married if you don't have kids. Marriage is a religious ceremony to bond a couple so they can bring about the next generation successfully. "Marriage for love" is a bugman concept because "love" does actually fade away if there's nothing to work towards to help deepen it or there's no incentive to stop either person from fricking someone else.
>In general there's literally no fricking point to be married if you don't have kids.
Tell that to my last room mates who openly bragged about not having kids when they were engaged. Honestly wondered what their problem was.
Just because your parents were godless heathens that didn't love you doesn't mean all parents are like that
So what happened? Daddy get too friendly with the secretary, or was mommy blowing the mailman instead of taking care of you?
>In general there's literally no fricking point to be married if you don't have kids.
People still get married: >a) for tax benefits >b) because they find it hotter to watch someone have sex with their "wife" instead of their "girlfriend".
I have kids and will never get married. Don't live in a "Common Law" state, what a crock of shit that would be. Fricking joke of a system, and I'm supposed to trust this chick, or anyone but myself or my family? Psssh. Ride.
Antinatalism is just a cope. Usually basement dwelling losers use it as a cope for their miserable failure at life. I know because I used to be one. For Rust it was a cope for losing his daughter and family.
The outcome is harsh. If there's truly no reason to exist and you are too much of a homosexual to find one then off yourself so you aren't a burden to everyone else.
Demonstrating that the end result of their philosophy is fricking necking yourself is reality and reality is harsh.
What I don't get about antinatalism is If existence is so bad that bringing a child into the world is immoral, surely it's also immoral to allow other people to live in the world? Others will continue to reproduce and continue the cycle of suffering. Why not painlessly kill them?
I don't care if people have kids, nor do I think everyone should have kids. But if you don't have a kid, you're missing out on a fundamental aspect of the human experience and no other experience like a trip in a foreign country will make up for it.
>But if you don't have a kid, you're missing out on a fundamental aspect of the human experience
I could make the same argument for murder, rape, taking drugs, warfare, and dementia.
No you can't. You can go through life having never experienced any of those things, but you can't escape that you were born and raised like all your ancestors leading to you.
Well I'm not really religious but I think conciousness is the vehicle in which humans can transcend nature and become, or become closer to God. Once we get our shit together and learn everything there is to know about the universe, who could tell the difference?
literally both are just subjective value judgements
>be God >create Adam and Eve >two literal morons >run a test on them to decide fate of all mankind >give them free will >no not the free will like me which would prevent sin >no not the free will of people in heaven who cannot sin >no not the free will of my own Son, Jesus who would never sin >the fricking worst version of free will that can exist which will only damn mankind >surprise surprise the shitty free will I gave them led to them sinning >damn mankind because I just didn't give them the good free will to begin with
what is yahweh's problem
Yeah you’re a moron. Do animals have free will? That’s why it’s the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Animals are sinless, and adam and eve were basically animals before eating it. The price of knowledge was pain and personal responsibility. It’s an extremely basic message. Imagine how much you’d be laughed at reading greek myth and interpreting it in this pedantic midwit manner, your pure seethe toward one religion in particular is hilarious
if animals don’t have free will humans don’t. you can they they experience conditioned or instinctual compulsions and whichever is stronger they obey, but humans do this exact same thing
>be God >create Adam and Eve >two literal morons >run a test on them to decide fate of all mankind >give them free will >no not the free will like me which would prevent sin >no not the free will of people in heaven who cannot sin >no not the free will of my own Son, Jesus who would never sin >the fricking worst version of free will that can exist which will only damn mankind >surprise surprise the shitty free will I gave them led to them sinning >damn mankind because I just didn't give them the good free will to begin with
what is yahweh's problem
>God is one with man in the garden >they want for nothing but are defined by their creator >man seeks to find his own definition and conscience separate from God >They are cast out and have to fend for themselves >Because they are made by God and yet separated from him, they are doomed to die >The world and the cosmos itself are dying due to its soul (God) being separated from it >Man seeks therefore to be made one again with God as his own definition is inherently doomed to mortality
>man seeks to find his own definition and conscience separate from God
This didn't happen. Adam was just chilling in the garden until being tricked into eating the fruit.
Where did I say anything about refugees?
Where did I ever try to hold you to a standard that I supposedly think you hold?
I merely stated that Christianity is nihilism.
Take your meds.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I didn’t tell you directly that I’m moronic so you couldn’t have known
Not him but you’re moronic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You identified that you hated Christianity and now are trying to explain a religion that you both hate and do not understand to actual practitioners of that religion and have no idea of how much of an absolute moronic spectacle you are making of yourself.
that was gnosticism, which you get confused about because you aren’t well read. reminder that your daddy neetch who you don’t read hated plato and aristotle too
You are moronic if you seriously believe some random guy in the middle east getting croaked is proof of a divine connection. If the universe has a creator, he cares about us as much as we care about a ant.
>>he’d design things like how I would
He wouldn't. And, indeed, he didn't. That's my point.
yeah if you just put “this is true” instead of an actual explanation or argument that’s super convincing
>supposed intellectual resorts to a fallacy of self-evidence
It's a basic fact. You need only look at the underlying nature of reality.
Newton and heisenberg disagree with you on that but cool
I'm sure they did. And I would love to have a intelligent discussion on the subject with them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>reiterating the same fallacy
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because you still can't actually deny it. The rules of the universe are incompatible with the way the universe is described in the bible. That is a fundamental fact that no amount of "Don't take the bible literally" can get around.
The argument against it is to be delusional. But those who are delusional obviously don't realize their delusion. Ah but perhaps, it is I who is delusional! But by considering the mere possibility makes it far less likely...
Christianity specifically tells you to hate your own life, you're basically not supposed to give a shit about this life because it's meaningless compared to the next. >bro I found Jesus and I felt so fulfilled!
well you're doing it wrong then
That's true for intelligent people as a whole. The more intelligent you are the more depressing and meaningless reality becomes, on average. Other than quitting entirely, the only alternative to trudging through a reality of suffering is trying to immerse yourself in delusion and hedonism. But that route isn't open to everyone, and it runs dangerously parallel besides
>yes, i'm a christian but i don't follow christ's teachings, because... because YOU'RE not a christian
what
I'm that second post and I'm antisemitic I assure you. But I feel like israelites are the ones most likely as a group to accept reality for the hell it is and that ultimately there's no after life. That's why they're so eager to do what they have to do to create heaven on earth for themselves, at the expense of the unenlightened goys. They've found some sort of path to happiness to pursue at least. They have a goal, it may be built on delusion, but to have a purpose in life, even if built on delusion, is a happiness in of itself.
I think I'm just going native. When some one or something is worthy of so much hate, perhaps there must be at least some sense of respect garnered in that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You will not be not permitted to “go native,” assuming you aren’t a lying israelite.
>you're basically not supposed to give a shit about this life
Except for the fact that Jesus showed humanity how to live a perfect human life whilst on earth and that striving towards that will make your entry to heaven more likely.
>Christianity specifically tells you to hate your own life
I'll never fall for the "atheists know about Christianity more than actual Christians, that's why they quit" meme because atheists are always spitting out absolutely moronic takes.
Like think about this logically here anon. There are commandments detailing how people are supposed to live. Christians were told to be fruitful and multiply. Jesus lived a pious life helping others, this includes healing the sick and reviving the dead. Your conclusion from all of this is that life on earth isn't important and should be hated?
I dunno care about the question, it's a shitpost. The picture is interesting.
It's the basis of Buddhism, though Buddhism is less violently resentful, because guess what, kiddo, resentment is a part of conciousness, and if you want to tap out of ego, you need to let go of your fricking need to tap out of ego. An impulse which is absolutely egotic, to begin with.
Also a fad in SF circa 200X? The idea that human consciousness is a blight upon evolution and all successful life forms should have zero consciousness, because it makes life-form less efficient, explored in pic related.
Though it ends with vampires eating the human race because humans recreated the vampires from old DNA, for some reasons, and they had no consciousness, and they ended up eating all humanity because they were more efficient.
I'm sure there is a criticism of capitalism here, I just can't quite make the link between Buddha resurrected vampires from DNA and capitalism.
Anon, you're supposed to read The Gay Science before Beyond Good and Evil. I don't see any Schopenhauer book, how are you supposed to understand Nietzsche when he is a reaction to Schopenhauer's philosophy? I also don't see On the Genealogy of Morality anywhere there, which is arguably Nietzsche's most traditional "philosophical" work that isn't just laced with disjointed sticky notes. The Will to Power isn't worth much since it was compiled from his notes after death and his evil sister corrupted its publishing.
Schopenhauer was a doomer moron but Nietszche's completely pseudointellectual "history lessons" were just as idiotic
Not really. He just adopted a cope narrative because his organism pumped his brain full of plasticity chemicals during the near death experience.
That in itself is a cope
It wasn't even a single moment, the "cosmos" hallucination was just that, a distracting hallucination resulting from his previous drug-habits
it was the entire ordeal of solving the case that changed him, and made him realize that not only was there something to live for, but that he had been living that premise the entire time
>Schopenhauer was a doomer moron but Nietszche's completely pseudointellectual "history lessons" were just as idiotic
holy moron batman, pick up a book you fricking moron
>Schopenhauer was a doomer moron but Nietszche's completely pseudointellectual "history lessons" were just as idiotic
You actually sound like a midwit who doesn't read the things he criticizes.
>society sucks >there are too many people on the planet
You cannot be pronatalist if you accept these premises, or you're just moronic.
frick israelites
frick christgays
and frick (you)
The sad part about antinatalism is those self-aware enough to participate in it will go extinct while the marching morons will keep reproducing, as evidenced by this thread.
The marching morons will be remembered by their continued generations whereas the antinatalists will be the branch that is cut off to save the tree from rot.
>I wish you could tell me exactly what I said was "reddit” so I can blend in better!
9 months ago
Anonymous
>muh sekrit club
I see you blend in perfectly. You throw out baseless, vague accusations and when cornered you post an ugly wojak. Great culture you're fostering on what used to be a fun website.
That's true for intelligent people as a whole. The more intelligent you are the more depressing and meaningless reality becomes, on average. Other than quitting entirely, the only alternative to trudging through a reality of suffering is trying to immerse yourself in delusion and hedonism. But that route isn't open to everyone, and it runs dangerously parallel besides
>nihilism
Antinatalism is not nihilism. the antinatalist does not assert that there is no meaning, merely that is immoral to continue toiling under the procreative paradigm.
existing persons are free to pursue self interest within the antinatal regime. they are not free to force existence upon new persons who did not and cannot consent
Nah, it's just that when you state that life has no meaning everyone else will start hating you because you're a threat to their fragile individual ideas of life, ideas that'll crash against each other every other day, but if you simply deny the possibility of making objective sense of existence believers are left with no argument other than hollistically interjecting against the proponent's honor/morals.
No, nihilists are just losers with no self-awareness who state that "nothing matters" because they failed to achieve anything (that they wanted) AND besides that they also have to cope because they can't "enjoy" a simple life . Instead of just shutting up they want to spread their pessimistic look on "nothing matters". That's three reasons why they're pathetic and the fourth is that they don't put their money where their mouth is and immediately kill themselves, which is what they should do if they believe "nothing matters" AND can't find any meaning in their lives regardless.
Humans are the most destructive force on this planet. If any other species rivalled our level of greed and exploitation there would be zero hesitation on our part to drive them to extinction by any means necessary.
There is no act more evil than reproducing.
>muh evil >muh planet
Do you think "nature" cares? You think the planet Earth gives a shit? Like the great council of living things will get together and denounce humanity for violating a universal moral code? Of course not, there's no rules for the planet, you either get eaten/out-competed and go extinct or you get fricking good and you don't. Morals are for humans, only you give a shit about what's "evil"; not reproducing or wanting humanity to die to balance some kind of ethical scales is just smug virtue signalling on your part (it also helps that raising kids is hard and you probably don't have anyone to frick anyway).
>Do you think "nature" cares?
yes, it expresses its care through human scruple. If nature didnt care, it wouldnt have created creatures with the capacity for caring. this is our blessing and our curse. And with this grave responsibility upon our shoulders, as the bastions of sentience, we ought to do the compassionate and dignified thing and self-annihilate. Not all at once...it would be impossible. But slowly over the course of years. It is the only logical and ethical course, one that nature itself is guiding us ultimately toward
Nature commands us to annihilate antinatalistd, as they're obviously defective and a threat to Mankind's survival, which is the guardian and protector of Nature.
Suffering should be avoided
This is only possible by living
Therefore we shouldn't make new life
But some say suffering is meaningful, and so it's okay to bring new life even if the suffering is overwhelming or lethal. Happiness is a phantom we chase, not as universal as suffering.
All of civilization is built on the false concept of mitigating suffering. Even if its only for the first world or elite class, every technological, governmental or medical development in civilization was made for the sake of lessening suffering. And look where we are: another decaying empire slowly sliding into an entropic bedlam that will become the soil for another empire of hubris to grow from and continue futilely trying to escape suffering as the cycle repeats. What if suffering isnt just good, but divine? Something that should be worshipped, perpetuated and multiplied at all costs. What if theres an alternate timeline where humanity pursued suffering instead of comfort? What if they're exploring the stars right now?
But consider that suffering is all relative. What's suffering to some may not be quite so suffering to others. I'm sure there are many just as jaded people in that reality. Jaded and numb to the suffering they desire so much, and dead on the inside.
i'm currently rewatching this and it was going so good until i saw that the satanist pedophile guy had nazi tattoos. They needed to fricking put something in there to completely frick up any awareness that people might have from this about what's actually happening irl.
i mean it's hbo after all i was surprised something like that even aired on it.
Would it actually kill you goons to post a movie rec with your blathering?
Aniara is the best film I have seen that tackles to topic of futilism, fatalism and antinatalism. And is an incredible film in it's own right. I would highly recommend it, if you are a fan of those topics or just a fan of sci-fi in general.
I feel like this whole discussion is just the human consciousness going crazy. Creating abstract concepts with no actual relation to reality.
Life is not a gift or opportunity because it's not like your soul exists before being born and has desires that finally have a chance to be fulfilled by being born. We are born with needs and desires because lifeforms evolves them to drive them. If we didn't desire to reproduce we wouldn't even be here having this conversation. But fulfilling that desire to reproduce, finding your significant other, it's not some kind of amazing gift you got to experience but just the carrot on the stick you were "made" to chase by evolution.
What do you mean by essence? I can't know anything for sure but so far to me it looks like everything we do and feel has some kind of evolutionary explanation. With no body, no brain and no biological needs what kind of essence can there be? Even something noble and high like alturism has evolutionary reasons instead of being some kind of ethereal character trait or a characteristic of your soul.
I admit I am not well read, especially into philosophy so I am just going by intuition and personal experience here. I know actual philosophy has almost math like logic to it and you need to quote like 100 different books to make a solid argument.
Essence in ontology is the idea of something being without existing. The best example being Platos idea of forms. You say a thing cannot exist without physical form (body and brain for people, matter for objects), but you believe in cups dont you? There was a time when only the idea of cupness existed before the first man invented a cup. Thats just the gist and there are plenty of arguments against Plato's forms. It is interesting to consider that I'm sitting in an office, on a chair surrounded by carpet and dry wall, a computer in front of me, enjoying artificially cooled air while its 98 outside - everything around me was only an idea at one point.
That's completely moronic, the physical laws that enable a cup to exist independently of all human ideas. What's a lake except a big cup in the ground, or an upside down seashell?
>There was a time when only the idea of cupness existed before the first man invented a cup
Do you mean this similarly to the idea of a library that contains every possible sentence, idea, book you could write? From existing novels, to future novels, to personal thoughts to gibberish? Like how a book exists somewhere but just hasnt been written down yet?
Thats what he calls the realm of forms iirc. Where the perfect, immaterial version of everything exists. Christianity, being an evolution of neoplatonism, would suggest the form man in the platonic realm of forms is god - the perfect version of everything humanity could possibly be.
That's completely moronic, the physical laws that enable a cup to exist independently of all human ideas. What's a lake except a big cup in the ground, or an upside down seashell?
Ye thats the usual argument. Then I would say something like "a lake only shares some cup qualities, it doesnt embody cupness perfectly". You cant hold a lake in one hand and sip of it.
>character development where the writer wants to establish rust as grieving about his divorce and dead child through rust's embrace of le edgy nihilism >this makes redditors tug their little goon rods and exclaim "he's just like me!"
You're not supposed to identify with Rust you're supposed to be annoyed or sympathize with his failure to cope with the loss of his child.
it’s because statistically they are. the whole myth it’s a high IQ stance has collapsed now that your average moronic prole unquestioningly accepts materialism
The biggest problem of modern society is the fear of death. We only cling onto life because death is scary, not because we want to live. Everything we do is just temporary distractions and all of our philosophy/religion is a cope. Life turned into a shitty competition and the prize is a complete joke. Somehow we cultivated this illusion that we are more civilized than ever when nothing about the way we live has a higher purpose than a caveman. If anything we have even less purpose and more fear and anxieties from the fellow man than nature. Our world is slowly but surely decaying and all people want is to consume more products and propaganda to distract themselves from the inevitable. There is nothing civilized about this. What’s the point of being able to live 100 years in this insane asylum? Just get me the frick out of here.
>their religion is based on this because I say it is
Okay, atheism is based on being a troony homosexual who copes about his insufficiency by pretending his life doesn’t matter. You can’t get mad because i’ve given as much evidence as you have for this statement
isn’t the whole point he did it so they don’t have to? also what does this have to do with OP? do you think everyone who isn’t an anti natalist is christian?
Yes like all 2 billion or whatever are evil cowards and you and everyone who agrees with you, they’re the good guys. Isn’t it past your bed time timmy?
The argument against it is to be delusional. But those who are delusional obviously don't realize their delusion. Ah but perhaps, it is I who is delusional! But by considering the mere possibility makes it far less likely...
they’re a step ahead of you and realise human knowledge by its own merits is incoherent and self defeating without delusion. so either speak truth and accept that you can’t defend the concept of truth without delusions or be honest and say nothing
Christian morality is an institutional value to this day when it comes to child caring, just like the abrahamic God you create life just to punish it for not acting in accord with your will.
How do you think kids were treated before christ, anon? israelites were enormously patriarchal with their family structure for ages before christianity came along. Even pagans wanted their kids to inherit their values when they werent sacrificing them to baal.
>waaahhh I can't be bothered to reproduce so no one else should be allowed to either
Antinatalists are the biggest fricking whiners. Complete wastes of DNA. They should all do the needful.
>decide to make kids >they suffer >you suffer because they suffer >want to prevent this suffering >you make us suffer!
whole lot of fricking suffering for nothing
>We are creatures that should not exist by natural law
We are the only creatures on this planet that could hypothetically shoot nature's seeds to a new, younger star, even if that chance is microscopic.
If there is one thing about nature that is clear, is it that it loves to reproduce.
The only place it has left to reproduce is somewhere out there.
As far as the nature is concerned, we very likely are its best attempt at making flagellum for its interstellar sperm.
Humans aren't the first time when life radically changes the climate of the world.
>Pleasure is the ultimate purpose in life >Hedonism leads to nihilism
Renouncing sensual pleasure is life denying >The best form of hedonism is one that seeks to exprience the smallest amount of pain instead of seeking the greatest amount of pleasure.
You can't refute this, Cinemaphile.
Honestly antinatalism is an ideology of the terminally online only. We're all just addicted to a website where we are regularly exposed to demoralizing content that might or might not be truthful. It's just that I can leave my computer and appreciate life and you can't. Maybe culture war garbage threads makes you want to blow up the planet, but for me I have a loving family and I can appreciate how beautiful life can be so I don't reach that level of hate. Maybe you should leave your house more often and make some friends.
No I do not think antinatalism is logical, there are plenty of other reactions one could have to unfortunate information about the world that are far healthier.
Doesn't change what he said. Our brain capacity is an evolutionary maladaptation not alike Irish elk's antlers increasing growth that eventually lead to its extinction.
It's why I hold genuinely non verbal autistic people in high regard. I consider them homosexual sapiens before we evolved to use language and became civilized.
>Our brain capacity is an evolutionary maladaptation not alike Irish elk's antlers increasing growth that eventually lead to its extinction.
Yeah no. And that doesn't change what I said even if he believes that. There's nothing innately intelligent about depression, just each individuals rationalisation of their depression.
I think it raises the skill ceiling on cognition. If your conscious of the fact that your improving your space and personal state through your own action and not just impulsing meeting basic needs, then it can lead to neurogensis, creativity and invention
As much as people love to claim the west promotes degeneracy and is against traditional values. Childbirth is something nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole.
I don't think it's a very interesting topic for a movie, maybe the closest you can get to the idea of antinatalism is nhilism, and for that I'd go with something like "No Country for Old Men" or something more edgy like "Irreversible", try any movie that at the end leaves a sensation of nothingness inside you
That's Cinemaphile in a nutshell: a bunch of morons viciously arguing about nothing, protected by an anonymity that doesn't exist in other parts of the internet anymore. I love it though, great memes sometimes.
You can't fool your rational capability into thinking life has a real meaning, the best you can do is embrace the lack of meaning.
I guess some people are just blessed with sheer ignorance, but this will cause suffering since their ideaswill inevitably be contradicted by reality because reality doesn't give a frick.
If it was meaningless you would be dead. Simple as. On some unconscious, subconcious or preconcious level, you find or hope to find meaning. Suffering is produced by desire and ego. Indeed, if a trusted, yet false meaning was subverted by a natural event, suffering would ensue. But if meaning is discovered through acceptance and not invented through dogma, enlightenment may be attained.
i found meaning caring for dying people.
the way people pass away in hospitals is very exciting. there's always a story to everyone, some have folks, some don't. some suffer, some don't. Some let suffering break them at the end, and again some suffer immensely more than those, but never break.
I do know that death is not something to be afraid of, and that death and suffering gives meaning to life.
I'm a natal sceptic
I don't think antinatalism is true, I also don't think life is inherently beautiful or good
I am passionately pro-abortion and euthanasia
How is life not inherently beautiful? Beauty effectively wouldnt exist if there was no life to perceive it. The very concept of beauty is only made known to us through life. Denying the cycle of life will always produce less beauty than not.
war and violence is the tool that allows us to have civilization. force backs every law.
every tradition, value and measure to avoid conflict exists, and allows us to function like civilized beings, because we implicitly know, deep down, that if those values and mores are broken, it's everyone's game and you will have to bash someone's head in with a rock because you dislike him and he's a risk to your community.
war is in our blood. and resources are finite. that should make you appreciate your daily life more.
Kwatz! A fly buzzes around Ummon and asks "how does a sramana live?" Ummon responds "I have no idea" "How can you have no idea?" asks the fly. Ummon responds "just let me keep my non-idea"
[...] >it’s getting slightly hotter >because if this human beings should just die >even though we have the most technology and deepest scientific knowledge of all time >even though humans have lived through much more intense climactic changes with no modern tech >this time. Just die
You gays are so stupid but you think you are intelligent for this nihilistic shit. You are midwits at best
>thinking P–T extinction temp-tier swings in the space of less than a century are just a way of the world
The finest of cope.
why do normalgays always go into this weird suicide mongering mode when faced with nihilism or antinatalism?
Normal-gays don't, they just react with hostility or denial.
Anyone who catches a glimpse of the truth doomscrolls into cackling madness or signs up for a job that earns them as much as possible and a 10/10 russian mail order bride like pic related.
surely they will become brilliant scientists and will fix this problem
>people actually think like this btw
>it’s getting slightly hotter >because if this human beings should just die >even though we have the most technology and deepest scientific knowledge of all time >even though humans have lived through much more intense climactic changes with no modern tech >this time. Just die
You gays are so stupid but you think you are intelligent for this nihilistic shit. You are midwits at best
that type of thinking is like an std. i dont want to catch it, i dont want people thinking that way near me. they (you) are genuinely repulsive to me.
your bleating and self pity make my stomach turn.
like you're sending out subliminal dysgenic signals "i am a genetic dead end"
depriving life of living is just as bad if not more, you double Black person feminist.
i have a positive outlook. you are defeatist. and it honestly sickens me you even exist and draw breath.
>depriving life of living is just as bad
False. It's not life until you make it life. Absence of pain is actively good. Absence of pleasure is neither good nor bad. The moral balance is weighted toward preventing pain.
>Absence of pain is actively good. Absence of pleasure is neither good nor bad. The moral balance is weighted toward preventing pain.
type of Black folk that never learned to love due to fear of abandonment, rejection etc etc.
i learned this shit in fifth grade. at the end of the day all the heartbreak was worth it, and i did it again, and again and again. and my heart broke again and again.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah and then youll die and your spawn will do their sad little heartbreak dance and then theyll die and so on and so on....an infinitude of avoidable pain that we desperately insist is "worth it" somehow
9 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, why are you such a pussy jus have a nice day
9 months ago
Anonymous
>will do their sad little heartbreak dance and then theyll die and so on and so on
yeah so what. why does *this* type of shit break your resolve? as i said, this stuff was figured out when i was a preteen
what the frick is going on with you?
Another thread full of seething normalgays
Thanks for the entertainment OP
on this issue and this issue alone i am on team normalgay.
frick this whinging self obsessed "holier than thou" bullshit you fricking dysgenic degenerates put us through every time the topic is breached.
it's a mind virus on the same caliber as troonyism, and probably very related as a disease.
you should be monitored for your health.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>as i said, this stuff was figured out when i was a preteen
You didnt "figure out"" anything. you fell back on society's coping mechanisms because you couldnt face the alternate
9 months ago
Anonymous
expand your point.
I know its internet tradition and we are on le epic Cinemaphilez but telling others to kill themselves is seriously messed up. I don't know how you can say that.
i have nothing but contempt for antinatalists. they are my polar opposites and i truly feel i cannot occupy the same reality as these "people"
before i made my girl pregnant with my two kids, i came in her, she got pregnant and took some birth control.
and i think about that viable fetus a lot. what would he have been like. how would he have looked like.
if she birthed him, i would've never had my two kids, but i lost him, and so on.
my girl dreamt about him too.
so, to answer your point, every life is precious to me, even those not born.
I know its internet tradition and we are on le epic Cinemaphilez but telling others to kill themselves is seriously messed up. I don't know how you can say that.
Many people are clearly afraid of this view and treat it like a leper that threatens their own fragile existence. It would be easier if depressed people just didn't exist and the earth was only populated with those who mastered coping and ignoring suffering. But that's not possible. Everyone wants to avoid suffering in the end, even if it means other people dying and suffering. As long as you don't have to die and suffer everything might be okay. Or the afterlife is some sick shit that we can't even imagine and we all lose anyway.
What's funny is that these depressed people who hate life seem more human than those who tell them to die.
He changed his mind
Ok? I'm still looking for kinos with antinatalist themes
What?
Which part of that post wasn't clear to you? Here, I'll help: every single communist, marxist, leninist, socialist, bolshevik, etc, should cave their skull caved in with a sledgehammer
I don't know what half that shit is. It's not my problem.
i miss my obsessively bringing up politics out of absolutely fricking nowhere edgy teen phase tbqh, it was sick
>should cave their skull caved in with a sledgehammer
You write like someone already did that to you, kek moron
>your small typo means I win
NTA, but: No. The fact that you are a insane violen moron and justifies any degree of red terror means he wins.
The fact you make a mistake like that just means that after you are killed nothing of value will be missed.
Not really. He just adopted a cope narrative because his organism pumped his brain full of plasticity chemicals during the near death experience.
and before that he was a undercover cop that took brain plasticity chemichals by choice. worshipping life as gods gift is based, loathing it is cringe.
some people can't apparently
meant for
All communists deserve death.
No idea but if you want antiantinatalist kino then Blade Runner 2049 is it
>antiantinatalist
It’s just natalist or pronatalist you moron
What a b***h
He was getting zero b***hes at the time
We might get one if there's ever a movie based on one of those Petter Watts books with the vampires. No money in making a pure antinatalist movie though, it would only be watched by people from like two niche subreddits.
Personally I wish I'd never been born, and I agree that it's a bit of a gamble if any given child will go through life experiencing more happiness than suffering. The scales do seem to tip towards happiness though, otherwise we'd already be extinct by now.
none of you will have kids anyway
>troony can't breed
>no one can
>2011+12
>brings up trannies out of nowhere
shiggy
>come on guys making fun of my axe wound is so 5 minutes ago
Kek
I bet you don't even know that axe wound is ancient slang for a real vegana.
There are eight billion people on earth, unless you are literally sterile there WILL be at least one person of the opposite gender who is poor, fugly, crazy or desperate enough to have a baby with you.
So can your average Cinemaphile incel enter into a lifelong, faithful marriage with an intelligent 10/10 from their own country and have 5 children who all grow up to be brain surgeons and rocket scientists? No. Can they import a desperate third-worlder or frick local junkies until something takes? Yes. So "you will never have children" just isn't a very good insult.
You have not done and will not do 99.999% of the things you "can" do. That cope will last you until either your deathbed or death by your own hand. Only then you will realize you let it all slip by, all the doors of possibility left forever unopened.
None of you will have kids anyway.
>dr shecklestein told me all about you guys! You won’t have kids!
Kek
stop coping homosexual. you will die childless
>evolution
stopped reading there.
>zoomer struggles to read 1 sentence
Only a self involved person would think they should not exist according to natural law. You exist because of natural law and not depsite of it.
He's literally me.
>dude, just lay down on the ground and let yourself die. Nothing matters, humanity was a mistake.
>What? Family? That's egotistical, bro. Breeders are sadists. It's also why I won't kill myself, that's too egotistical, which coincidentally suits me fine, hahaha.
>W-w-what do you mean my views are selfish? But the cool loser on that TV show said...well...uh...f-frick you!
He does acknowledge this. Rust says that he tells himself that he "bears witness," but the truth is that is just his programming and that he lacks the constitution for suicide.
The problem with humanity is that they think they know the truth in themselves. This whole quote explores his idea from an evolutionary perspective as if it was fully understood which it isnt. You then have to explore whether you live in a deterministic cosmos which makes your whole existence merely a totality of a greater thing rather than something that could be seen individually.
shut the frick up you midwitted homosexual
>t. Didn’t understand the post
why would someone with that philosophy become a cop?
wouldn't he be happy or agnostic to a pedo serial killer?
>agnostic to a pedo serial killer?
Hes not sure if they exist or not?
whoa, it's almost like the character is meant to be a hypocrite...
Wasn't he already a cop before his daughter died?
the job didn't make him that way. him being like that got him made him good at the job
They Shoot Horses, Don't They?
have a nice day then homosexual
Velcoro > Cohle
>hold le gun to average nihilist head
>screaming and crying noo you can't just kill me that's wrong doe
Why do they always convince themselves that doing nothing with purpose is endearing? NEETs have better values than normies nihilists because they understand their own way of coping and aren't nearly as defensive. Nihilists don't have meaning
I don't see how anyone of stable mind can look at where human society is at and where it's going and actually choose to bring a child of their own blood into it.
Same. It boggles my mind. But the biological imperative is just that strong. not to mention all the cultural conditioning trying to frame procreation as a societal good, even though it is patently immoral
Not even trying to be edgy but why don't you have a nice day if that's your world view?
>not wanting to bring a child into this hellscape implies you're suicidal
I'll live it out long enough to see whether society crumbles or not. If we fall into another lull, the yeah I'm checking out
What the frick are you talking about? Move to what tribe? I'm a fricking white American. There's no such thing as tribes.
>live off grid
Do you want to give me the money to buy some self-sufficient property in the middle of nowhere?
Do you city-enslaved subhumans really believe it's that easy to just frick off from society? That you can actually live without the powers that be controlling you?
Unironically have a nice day. Bam, problem solved.
What problem? Tell me what my problem is and how suicide solves it.
But you don't know what I'm talking about, because your simple brain is only capable of eating, sleeping and pressing buttons on your phone. You don't have the capacity for existential thought.
Good argument
There is literally nothing in this world, be it past, present or future, that would ever satisfy someone with a deficient brain like yours.
Antinatalism is something is diametrically opposed to life itself. You will never amount to anything other than screaming into an empty room full of other dead people that actually went through with removing themselves into the life they despise so much, while regular people will continue to live their lives with their families and loved ones.
>I've decided you can't be convinced so I won't bother trying
I accept your concession
>antinatalism
I'm not antinatalist, you monkey. I know having buzzwords and labels is the only way your simple brain can move forward, but try to actually argue with the words instead of the labels.
>ur lazy!
Nice argument.
>disergards whole post because of one word
Concession accepted. have a nice day now.
The whole post was screeching about antinatalists and saying my life is nothing. What do you want me to address that with? No?
You're an idiot, dude. You need to actually work on arguing your points instead of seething and telling people to kill themselves, unless you have no intention to convince anyone of your views
>convincing other people
>over the internet
That's impossible. People don't change their ways unless you publicly shame them or physically abuse them.
You can't explain to a dog why they can't do math.
>Tell me what my problem is and how suicide solves it
nta but you're a lazy sack of shit who quits doing anything that requires a modicum of effort.
Maybe you're right actually; YOU shouldn't reproduce, that way the gene pool doesn't have anymore whiny sacks of shit polluting it.
>Do you want to give me the money to buy some self-sufficient property in the middle of nowhere?
Literally admits to being a lazy sack of shit lmao
>Do you city-enslaved subhumans really believe it's that easy to just frick off from society? That you can actually live without the powers that be controlling you?
>NO UR THE CITY BUGMEN NOT ME WHO WANTS EVERYTHING GIVEN TO ME!
Listen to the dubsman
>Move to what tribe? I'm a fricking white American. There's no such thing as tribes.
Sell everything you own and move to another country or there are self sufficient communities in america where you give all your life savings and live for the betterment of a small group of people. Do you think you are born into this world deserving of a bed and food? Its only because there are 'masters' in this society that you might be given one. To be truly free from the constraints of a society you must become the master of yourself and therefore sacrifice some things in order to get to a greater goal.
>Do you want to give me the money to buy some self-sufficient property in the middle of nowhere?
You have a computer, you can self educate. Then you can sell it with anything else you own and frick off the internet and leave us alone.
There's literally some useless gay from Cinemaphile who went to live in the wilderness with zero resources. He's been at it for years and he still lives. If you feel so strongly about this then should do the same, otherwise shut your homosexual nihilist mouth because your "opinion" is abhorrent.
>do you want to give me the money to buy some self-sufficient property in the middle of nowhere?
lol, I'd like to think posts like this are self-aware and actually good bait, but I don't think so unfortunately
I live in a city to work and have an apartment. I have money saved that I intend to go ins with a friend on a piece of land in rural Arizona for. I've done all the calculation, I know exactly what we'll need to be self-sustaining, and I can tell you it's gonna take me several more years of saving, and I'll need to continue working and living in the city for several more years as we work on the land in order to make it permanently livable.
You have no idea what you're babbling about.
common misconception.
just because possible lives arent worth starting doesnt mean actual lives arent worth living.
I'm not saying the world is bad (although it is). I'm saying that it's bad to force someone into it (i.e. childbearing)
Are you fricking moronic? This is easily the best human beings have ever had it on this planet
Do you really think that's all there is to life? Just living it as long as you possibly can? That we should all be grateful little slaves because our masters let us live extra long?
>That we should all be grateful little slaves because our masters let us live extra long?
If you dont want to be slave to a broader society, then move to a tribal community or learn how to be self reliant and live off grid. The problem is that you still want the instant gratification of modern society but make yourself feel like your above it.
>you shouldn't have kids because.... LE TRANNIES AND Black folk
I wonder who could be behind this post...................................
Yeah, i mean its not like we live an extra 30 years compared to 200 years ago or have access to amenities we never had. People in the middle ages werent this stupid.
Compared to when you historically ignorant goof?
>things are slightly worse than 1997 we should all just kill ourselves
You are being a weak dramatic fool the only way to fix societies problems is to have families and rebuild communities
>we should all just kill ourselves
When did I say that? I'm not even antinatalist. I love kids and would love to have some of my own. But the thought of bringing them into this mind-controlled hellscape is horrifying.
>the only way to fix societies problems is to have families and rebuild communities
How fricking naive are you? For one - actual, smart and upright people are having less kids than replacement rate, while subhumans and the mentally challenged are having multitudes more than replacement. How are you gonna fix that? That alone should be enough to tell you where civilization is going.
But that's not even the half of it - children are being psychologically manipulated by advertisers and data-gatherers from birth, media for kids is more mind-numbing than it has been at any other point in history and it's not improving. "Public Education" as we know it was already an extremely flawed concept, but it has now become a monstrous machine that is designed to pump out hollow, robotic shells. Learning is dead, IQs have plummeted (and probably haven't been at their peak since the 19th century), skills and abilities have regressed (when tech can do everything for you, why learn how to do it yourself?).
Then there's the climate bullshit if you're into that - I don't think it's as human-caused as they say, but it's definitely changing. But even if you don't buy that, you can't deny how corrupted the environment has become - plastic in every newborn's blood, unstudied chemicals in your water, plenty of new shit every day that we just don't have enough experience with to call safe. Who knows what it's doing to our brains?
None of these problems existed a hundred years ago. Yeah, things like this will eventually be solved and humanity will always find a way, but when? Ten years from now? No. Fifty years from now? I doubt it, but even if so do you want to bring up a child that will live most of their life like this? Could go on, but char limit
I’m not reading that.
The kind of people not breeding are the ones that brought us to this brink.
I hope you and them don’t breed and die off as the dead weight dead ends you are
>I'm not reading that, but here's my response
Why even bother? Why is every one of you like this? You don't want to argue, you just want to spout your view and say you're right because anyone who disagrees is x. Do you really not see how backward and pointless this is? I'd like to think if you're arguing in favor of having children you're a competent adult, but are you possibly underage?
>nature creates consciousness
>"le consciousness is not natural"
what a fricking moron.
>but just the white people, people of color should keep breeding
what did he mean by that
It's funny to see incel chuds triggered by antinatalism, considering most of you will never breed
>brings up chuds out of nowhere
are you sure you aren't obsessed?
got two kids. am optimistic about the future but know i will have to change things by my own hand if things are to become better.
people plugged into the modern consumerist machine and thinking they dont want kids is something i will never understand.
i just dont understand choosing to suicide your whole family line because you want funko pops and dont like responsibility.... sure dont
>your whole family line because you want funko pops and dont like responsibility.
Isn't this just evolution at work? Maybe if I had better genetics I would have a more positive outlook. I would be having dinner with my beautiful loving wife after a fulfilling day at work instead of posting here. I don't want to make a mini-me who is going to go through the same suffering as me.
Why don’t you just kill your self
You are literally wasting resources people who still yet live can use
I might not be happy overall but there are things I enjoy still like movies and I am also curious about the future and how far technological progress will go.
I sit at my computer at home mostly so I dont think I'm wasting that many resources. My carbon footprint is pretty low.
So you are selfishly sitting here consuming resources out of some shallow desire to get dopamine hits?
Literally if you want future technology to succeed quit eating up our food and energy. Kys make room for somebody better than you
i dont think that's evolution. i mean, you're here arent you?
your parents must have gave a frick to have you. etc etc
so the answer must lie in your life somewhere, where something happened to disillusion yourself to life in this mortal realm or some shit.
everyone managed to frick except you
I can’t believe this show is still filtering chuds
>being born and living sucks major diarrhea donkey dick
>"why don't you have a nice day?"
Antinatalistsisters... how do we respond without sounding mad?
Chud
what a fricking pseud take. It's not even a pseud take. It's a mindless repost of a pseud take. That's even worse.
Shhhh, life has no meaning, just face the wall, everything will be okay.
she's dead inside and fills the void by complaining that there aren't enough black lady knights on game of thrones
I know a couple like this and the wife is a huge prostitute, I know for a fact she's cheated on her chubby techbro "hubby."
In general there's literally no fricking point to be married if you don't have kids. Marriage is a religious ceremony to bond a couple so they can bring about the next generation successfully. "Marriage for love" is a bugman concept because "love" does actually fade away if there's nothing to work towards to help deepen it or there's no incentive to stop either person from fricking someone else.
>In general there's literally no fricking point to be married if you don't have kids.
Tell that to my last room mates who openly bragged about not having kids when they were engaged. Honestly wondered what their problem was.
>Marriage is a religious ceremony to bond a couple so they can bring about the next generation successfully.
What a crock.
T. Child of divorced parents
Just because your parents were godless heathens that didn't love you doesn't mean all parents are like that
So what happened? Daddy get too friendly with the secretary, or was mommy blowing the mailman instead of taking care of you?
>In general there's literally no fricking point to be married if you don't have kids.
People still get married:
>a) for tax benefits
>b) because they find it hotter to watch someone have sex with their "wife" instead of their "girlfriend".
I have kids and will never get married. Don't live in a "Common Law" state, what a crock of shit that would be. Fricking joke of a system, and I'm supposed to trust this chick, or anyone but myself or my family? Psssh. Ride.
>i am fulfilled but still have to make a tiktok video for validation for my actions
>snark
That won’t change a thing when they are abused by paco in the state convalescence home
>so happy I never had children and family to care for me in my dying years
WOW HE'S **LITERALLY** ME
I remember the creator of Evangelion said that the end point of evolution is self destruction and I cringed at such a rejection of life.
Antinatalism is just a cope. Usually basement dwelling losers use it as a cope for their miserable failure at life. I know because I used to be one. For Rust it was a cope for losing his daughter and family.
Nihilists are such fricking homosexuals. If thing are so bad just fricking have a nice day because your constant whining annoys me.
They're just kids, no need to be that harsh. Everyone goes through this phase. They'll get over it after their brain fully developes.
The outcome is harsh. If there's truly no reason to exist and you are too much of a homosexual to find one then off yourself so you aren't a burden to everyone else.
Demonstrating that the end result of their philosophy is fricking necking yourself is reality and reality is harsh.
What I don't get about antinatalism is If existence is so bad that bringing a child into the world is immoral, surely it's also immoral to allow other people to live in the world? Others will continue to reproduce and continue the cycle of suffering. Why not painlessly kill them?
>Why not painlessly kill them?
How you gonna painlessly kill everyone in the world?
Not everyone, that's impossible. Just as many as you can. Or do it painfully, who cares, their suffering will be relieved for ever when they die.
I don't care if people have kids, nor do I think everyone should have kids. But if you don't have a kid, you're missing out on a fundamental aspect of the human experience and no other experience like a trip in a foreign country will make up for it.
>But if you don't have a kid, you're missing out on a fundamental aspect of the human experience
I could make the same argument for murder, rape, taking drugs, warfare, and dementia.
No you can't. You can go through life having never experienced any of those things, but you can't escape that you were born and raised like all your ancestors leading to you.
You can't escape being born and raised. But you can escape having a child. Much like you can escape everything I claimed.
Well I'm not really religious but I think conciousness is the vehicle in which humans can transcend nature and become, or become closer to God. Once we get our shit together and learn everything there is to know about the universe, who could tell the difference?
(Me)
I honestly don't get the philosophical arguments against natalism when the simple material arguments are way better.
No. I will not do unpaid labor for the government and companies. You want me to have a child? Pay me a working salary.
Take the Christpill instead of being an edgy fedora nihilist
This universe requires a Creator. He revealed Himself through the events of the Bible and His Son Jesus.
bottom is just delusional as frick, which is why we crucified that gay named jesus
>we
>we
literally both are just subjective value judgements
Yeah you’re a moron. Do animals have free will? That’s why it’s the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Animals are sinless, and adam and eve were basically animals before eating it. The price of knowledge was pain and personal responsibility. It’s an extremely basic message. Imagine how much you’d be laughed at reading greek myth and interpreting it in this pedantic midwit manner, your pure seethe toward one religion in particular is hilarious
Are you suggesting Adam and Eve didn't have free will?
they had the sort of free will an animal does, which is a sinless free will.
I wouldn't consider animals to have free will.
if animals don’t have free will humans don’t. you can they they experience conditioned or instinctual compulsions and whichever is stronger they obey, but humans do this exact same thing
>be God
>create Adam and Eve
>two literal morons
>run a test on them to decide fate of all mankind
>give them free will
>no not the free will like me which would prevent sin
>no not the free will of people in heaven who cannot sin
>no not the free will of my own Son, Jesus who would never sin
>the fricking worst version of free will that can exist which will only damn mankind
>surprise surprise the shitty free will I gave them led to them sinning
>damn mankind because I just didn't give them the good free will to begin with
what is yahweh's problem
the problem is he was imagined by moronic humans in the first place
Those humans were a lot more intelligent than the average cattle moron like you today. They could actually create functional societies
>God is one with man in the garden
>they want for nothing but are defined by their creator
>man seeks to find his own definition and conscience separate from God
>They are cast out and have to fend for themselves
>Because they are made by God and yet separated from him, they are doomed to die
>The world and the cosmos itself are dying due to its soul (God) being separated from it
>Man seeks therefore to be made one again with God as his own definition is inherently doomed to mortality
>man seeks to find his own definition and conscience separate from God
This didn't happen. Adam was just chilling in the garden until being tricked into eating the fruit.
he chose to eat it when eve offered it and knew he shouldn’t? how is that being tricked
there's no indication he knew it was from the tree when he ate it.
>She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
>who was with her
>when I make the story sound moronic it sounds moronic
>checkmate
you're being redundant
Christianity is nihilism.
That's completely irrelevant to my comment.
So are actually stupid or pretending to be stupid by missing the point of the meme?
Where did I say anything about refugees?
Where did I ever try to hold you to a standard that I supposedly think you hold?
I merely stated that Christianity is nihilism.
Take your meds.
>I didn’t tell you directly that I’m moronic so you couldn’t have known
Not him but you’re moronic.
You identified that you hated Christianity and now are trying to explain a religion that you both hate and do not understand to actual practitioners of that religion and have no idea of how much of an absolute moronic spectacle you are making of yourself.
That image amuses me just because you can call out somebody on their hypocrisy without believing what they believe.
>yes, i'm a christian but i don't follow christ's teachings, because... because YOU'RE not a christian
what
Maybe without good works
*ding ding* nihilism, liberalism and even the French revolution can be traced back to the protestant reformation
...which can be traced back to Hellenistic values and ideals (democracy, self-determination, the primacy of reason)
that was gnosticism, which you get confused about because you aren’t well read. reminder that your daddy neetch who you don’t read hated plato and aristotle too
You are moronic if you seriously believe some random guy in the middle east getting croaked is proof of a divine connection. If the universe has a creator, he cares about us as much as we care about a ant.
>if I was God I wouldn’t-
nobody gives a shit and this is moronic reasoning
Not "If I was god". If God was real.
The universe, by it's very nature, denies the Christian understanding of god. That is self evident and factual.
yeah if you just put “this is true” instead of an actual explanation or argument that’s super convincing
>if God was real…
>he’d design things like how I would
>he didn’t so he’s not real
How is that any different, einstein?
>>he’d design things like how I would
He wouldn't. And, indeed, he didn't. That's my point.
It's a basic fact. You need only look at the underlying nature of reality.
I'm sure they did. And I would love to have a intelligent discussion on the subject with them.
>reiterating the same fallacy
Because you still can't actually deny it. The rules of the universe are incompatible with the way the universe is described in the bible. That is a fundamental fact that no amount of "Don't take the bible literally" can get around.
https://www.news24.com/news24/the-problem-of-the-bible-inaccuracies-contradictions-fallacies-scientific-issues-and-more-20120517
>reiterates the same fallacy a third time
>immediately tries to change the subject
>Try to change the subject
It only seems that way because you don't understand the subject.
>I'm not changing the subject it just seems that way because that's exactly what I'm doing 😉
the absolute pilpul
have a nice day israelite
lmao
Newton and heisenberg disagree with you on that but cool
>supposed intellectual resorts to a fallacy of self-evidence
Christianity specifically tells you to hate your own life, you're basically not supposed to give a shit about this life because it's meaningless compared to the next.
>bro I found Jesus and I felt so fulfilled!
well you're doing it wrong then
I'm that second post and I'm antisemitic I assure you. But I feel like israelites are the ones most likely as a group to accept reality for the hell it is and that ultimately there's no after life. That's why they're so eager to do what they have to do to create heaven on earth for themselves, at the expense of the unenlightened goys. They've found some sort of path to happiness to pursue at least. They have a goal, it may be built on delusion, but to have a purpose in life, even if built on delusion, is a happiness in of itself.
I think I'm just going native. When some one or something is worthy of so much hate, perhaps there must be at least some sense of respect garnered in that.
You will not be not permitted to “go native,” assuming you aren’t a lying israelite.
>you're basically not supposed to give a shit about this life
Except for the fact that Jesus showed humanity how to live a perfect human life whilst on earth and that striving towards that will make your entry to heaven more likely.
>source: me
get an actual argument dummy
>Christianity specifically tells you to hate your own life
I'll never fall for the "atheists know about Christianity more than actual Christians, that's why they quit" meme because atheists are always spitting out absolutely moronic takes.
Like think about this logically here anon. There are commandments detailing how people are supposed to live. Christians were told to be fruitful and multiply. Jesus lived a pious life helping others, this includes healing the sick and reviving the dead. Your conclusion from all of this is that life on earth isn't important and should be hated?
I dunno care about the question, it's a shitpost. The picture is interesting.
It's the basis of Buddhism, though Buddhism is less violently resentful, because guess what, kiddo, resentment is a part of conciousness, and if you want to tap out of ego, you need to let go of your fricking need to tap out of ego. An impulse which is absolutely egotic, to begin with.
Also a fad in SF circa 200X? The idea that human consciousness is a blight upon evolution and all successful life forms should have zero consciousness, because it makes life-form less efficient, explored in pic related.
Though it ends with vampires eating the human race because humans recreated the vampires from old DNA, for some reasons, and they had no consciousness, and they ended up eating all humanity because they were more efficient.
I'm sure there is a criticism of capitalism here, I just can't quite make the link between Buddha resurrected vampires from DNA and capitalism.
Total nihilist death.
you have not read either of these men
Anon, you're supposed to read The Gay Science before Beyond Good and Evil. I don't see any Schopenhauer book, how are you supposed to understand Nietzsche when he is a reaction to Schopenhauer's philosophy? I also don't see On the Genealogy of Morality anywhere there, which is arguably Nietzsche's most traditional "philosophical" work that isn't just laced with disjointed sticky notes. The Will to Power isn't worth much since it was compiled from his notes after death and his evil sister corrupted its publishing.
>filename
Schopenhauer was a doomer moron but Nietszche's completely pseudointellectual "history lessons" were just as idiotic
That in itself is a cope
It wasn't even a single moment, the "cosmos" hallucination was just that, a distracting hallucination resulting from his previous drug-habits
it was the entire ordeal of solving the case that changed him, and made him realize that not only was there something to live for, but that he had been living that premise the entire time
>Schopenhauer was a doomer moron but Nietszche's completely pseudointellectual "history lessons" were just as idiotic
holy moron batman, pick up a book you fricking moron
>holy _______ Batman!
>Schopenhauer was a doomer moron but Nietszche's completely pseudointellectual "history lessons" were just as idiotic
You actually sound like a midwit who doesn't read the things he criticizes.
I was forced to read both. They are both idiots.
Stay mad
oh, so you're just mad because they were above your reading level. Sad.
>these men are stupid
>no you are, you didn't read them
>I actually did
>well then ur stupid
holy cope dude imagine being this much of a brainlet lol
you keep saying you've read them but you haven't presented an argument against anything in their works. Almost like you didn't read them.
midwit
>present me your SOURCED?!?!?! thesis or I'll shit my pants
You'll have to keep seething and shitting your pants then
Nietzsche was a life affirming chad, so much so that he died from having unprotected sex with prostitutes.
Schopenhauer is just secular buddha.
>society sucks
>there are too many people on the planet
You cannot be pronatalist if you accept these premises, or you're just moronic.
frick israelites
frick christgays
and frick (you)
Isn’t that literally the plot to Blindsight by Peter Watts
The sad part about antinatalism is those self-aware enough to participate in it will go extinct while the marching morons will keep reproducing, as evidenced by this thread.
true
>marching morons will keep reproducing
The marching morons will be remembered by their continued generations whereas the antinatalists will be the branch that is cut off to save the tree from rot.
>he actually thinks he'll be remembered
To think that a thousand past generations lived and died just so you could frick it up with your dumb philosophy or lack of social skills.
Bloodlines end every day and somehow there's more people than ever, so this isn't the epic dig you think this is
So your ending your bloodline without it having any consequence to the world at large? What a moronic philosophy.
People that never existed can't change the world, and the world wouldn't be the way it is without the people who are here. Change my mind.
/misc/ is a few boards up, buddy.
And reddit is down the hall, go back.
I wish you could tell me exactly what I said was "reddit".
>I wish you could tell me exactly what I said was "reddit” so I can blend in better!
>muh sekrit club
I see you blend in perfectly. You throw out baseless, vague accusations and when cornered you post an ugly wojak. Great culture you're fostering on what used to be a fun website.
>baseless
You are clearly from Reddit though.
That's true for intelligent people as a whole. The more intelligent you are the more depressing and meaningless reality becomes, on average. Other than quitting entirely, the only alternative to trudging through a reality of suffering is trying to immerse yourself in delusion and hedonism. But that route isn't open to everyone, and it runs dangerously parallel besides
>going extinct means you are smart and right
Hot damn that’s some mental gymnastics
>tfw too smart to continue my bloodline
There is nothing cogent or sane about nihilism. It’s a childish selfish phase that you should be done with by your own army twenties
>i'll breed suffering just to prove myself right
vengeful slave morality
Who’s breeding suffering? What a womanish take
>nobody should be alive because sometimes there is suffering
Literally just being a huge pussy disguised and covered up with a bunch of pontificating sophistry
>nihilism
Antinatalism is not nihilism. the antinatalist does not assert that there is no meaning, merely that is immoral to continue toiling under the procreative paradigm.
existing persons are free to pursue self interest within the antinatal regime. they are not free to force existence upon new persons who did not and cannot consent
>the procreative paradigm
Black person do you hear yourself? Jesus Christ how pathetic you sound. Cringe.
If you don’t plan on reproducing you have no purpose here just kys and stop wasting resources
Nihilists are the most pathetic human beings.
Nah, it's just that when you state that life has no meaning everyone else will start hating you because you're a threat to their fragile individual ideas of life, ideas that'll crash against each other every other day, but if you simply deny the possibility of making objective sense of existence believers are left with no argument other than hollistically interjecting against the proponent's honor/morals.
No, nihilists are just losers with no self-awareness who state that "nothing matters" because they failed to achieve anything (that they wanted) AND besides that they also have to cope because they can't "enjoy" a simple life . Instead of just shutting up they want to spread their pessimistic look on "nothing matters". That's three reasons why they're pathetic and the fourth is that they don't put their money where their mouth is and immediately kill themselves, which is what they should do if they believe "nothing matters" AND can't find any meaning in their lives regardless.
You know Rust there is another way, become more than human.
Antinatalism is true but only for nonwhites
Humans are the most destructive force on this planet. If any other species rivalled our level of greed and exploitation there would be zero hesitation on our part to drive them to extinction by any means necessary.
There is no act more evil than reproducing.
>muh evil
>muh planet
Do you think "nature" cares? You think the planet Earth gives a shit? Like the great council of living things will get together and denounce humanity for violating a universal moral code? Of course not, there's no rules for the planet, you either get eaten/out-competed and go extinct or you get fricking good and you don't. Morals are for humans, only you give a shit about what's "evil"; not reproducing or wanting humanity to die to balance some kind of ethical scales is just smug virtue signalling on your part (it also helps that raising kids is hard and you probably don't have anyone to frick anyway).
>Do you think "nature" cares?
yes, it expresses its care through human scruple. If nature didnt care, it wouldnt have created creatures with the capacity for caring. this is our blessing and our curse. And with this grave responsibility upon our shoulders, as the bastions of sentience, we ought to do the compassionate and dignified thing and self-annihilate. Not all at once...it would be impossible. But slowly over the course of years. It is the only logical and ethical course, one that nature itself is guiding us ultimately toward
>except for us goy, we get to keep living
Nature also created a lot of people who who think pseud shit like this is moronic, I wonder which one is the more "natural" course.
Nature commands us to annihilate antinatalistd, as they're obviously defective and a threat to Mankind's survival, which is the guardian and protector of Nature.
>There is no act more evil than reproducing.
>kys for Mother Earth and father sky
Nice you are at pre Neolithic hunter gatherer human sacrifice. Keep going and you’ll eventually get back to civilization
I'm antinatalist until we revert back to a pre industrial age.
Suffering should be avoided
This is only possible by living
Therefore we shouldn't make new life
But some say suffering is meaningful, and so it's okay to bring new life even if the suffering is overwhelming or lethal. Happiness is a phantom we chase, not as universal as suffering.
All of civilization is built on the false concept of mitigating suffering. Even if its only for the first world or elite class, every technological, governmental or medical development in civilization was made for the sake of lessening suffering. And look where we are: another decaying empire slowly sliding into an entropic bedlam that will become the soil for another empire of hubris to grow from and continue futilely trying to escape suffering as the cycle repeats. What if suffering isnt just good, but divine? Something that should be worshipped, perpetuated and multiplied at all costs. What if theres an alternate timeline where humanity pursued suffering instead of comfort? What if they're exploring the stars right now?
But consider that suffering is all relative. What's suffering to some may not be quite so suffering to others. I'm sure there are many just as jaded people in that reality. Jaded and numb to the suffering they desire so much, and dead on the inside.
i'm currently rewatching this and it was going so good until i saw that the satanist pedophile guy had nazi tattoos. They needed to fricking put something in there to completely frick up any awareness that people might have from this about what's actually happening irl.
i mean it's hbo after all i was surprised something like that even aired on it.
Philosophygay here.
Nominalism is for pussies.
Every meaning you can come up to fill in the void is just a real big cope, no matter how true to your experiences it is.
By your logic the void is also a big cope since everything is a spook.
>Life is just a big void you fill over and over and never feel full
Nihilism is just woman-think
Are you sure you're not saying this because some past experiences with women weren't enoughly satisfactory for yourself?
imagine how high on his own farts the gay was when he wrote this
I think we should stop entertaining nihilists and anti-life people, since nothing matters anyway I don't they'll care if they get mass murdered.
Would it actually kill you goons to post a movie rec with your blathering?
Aniara is the best film I have seen that tackles to topic of futilism, fatalism and antinatalism. And is an incredible film in it's own right. I would highly recommend it, if you are a fan of those topics or just a fan of sci-fi in general.
>A simple trip to Mars
>Simple
I feel like this whole discussion is just the human consciousness going crazy. Creating abstract concepts with no actual relation to reality.
Life is not a gift or opportunity because it's not like your soul exists before being born and has desires that finally have a chance to be fulfilled by being born. We are born with needs and desires because lifeforms evolves them to drive them. If we didn't desire to reproduce we wouldn't even be here having this conversation. But fulfilling that desire to reproduce, finding your significant other, it's not some kind of amazing gift you got to experience but just the carrot on the stick you were "made" to chase by evolution.
How do you know essence doesnt precede existence?
What do you mean by essence? I can't know anything for sure but so far to me it looks like everything we do and feel has some kind of evolutionary explanation. With no body, no brain and no biological needs what kind of essence can there be? Even something noble and high like alturism has evolutionary reasons instead of being some kind of ethereal character trait or a characteristic of your soul.
I admit I am not well read, especially into philosophy so I am just going by intuition and personal experience here. I know actual philosophy has almost math like logic to it and you need to quote like 100 different books to make a solid argument.
Essence in ontology is the idea of something being without existing. The best example being Platos idea of forms. You say a thing cannot exist without physical form (body and brain for people, matter for objects), but you believe in cups dont you? There was a time when only the idea of cupness existed before the first man invented a cup. Thats just the gist and there are plenty of arguments against Plato's forms. It is interesting to consider that I'm sitting in an office, on a chair surrounded by carpet and dry wall, a computer in front of me, enjoying artificially cooled air while its 98 outside - everything around me was only an idea at one point.
That's completely moronic, the physical laws that enable a cup to exist independently of all human ideas. What's a lake except a big cup in the ground, or an upside down seashell?
I would have to read up on this first
>There was a time when only the idea of cupness existed before the first man invented a cup
Do you mean this similarly to the idea of a library that contains every possible sentence, idea, book you could write? From existing novels, to future novels, to personal thoughts to gibberish? Like how a book exists somewhere but just hasnt been written down yet?
Thats what he calls the realm of forms iirc. Where the perfect, immaterial version of everything exists. Christianity, being an evolution of neoplatonism, would suggest the form man in the platonic realm of forms is god - the perfect version of everything humanity could possibly be.
Ye thats the usual argument. Then I would say something like "a lake only shares some cup qualities, it doesnt embody cupness perfectly". You cant hold a lake in one hand and sip of it.
>character development where the writer wants to establish rust as grieving about his divorce and dead child through rust's embrace of le edgy nihilism
>this makes redditors tug their little goon rods and exclaim "he's just like me!"
You're not supposed to identify with Rust you're supposed to be annoyed or sympathize with his failure to cope with the loss of his child.
Atheists really come across like the average normalgay dimwit these days
it’s because statistically they are. the whole myth it’s a high IQ stance has collapsed now that your average moronic prole unquestioningly accepts materialism
The biggest problem of modern society is the fear of death. We only cling onto life because death is scary, not because we want to live. Everything we do is just temporary distractions and all of our philosophy/religion is a cope. Life turned into a shitty competition and the prize is a complete joke. Somehow we cultivated this illusion that we are more civilized than ever when nothing about the way we live has a higher purpose than a caveman. If anything we have even less purpose and more fear and anxieties from the fellow man than nature. Our world is slowly but surely decaying and all people want is to consume more products and propaganda to distract themselves from the inevitable. There is nothing civilized about this. What’s the point of being able to live 100 years in this insane asylum? Just get me the frick out of here.
Why is it acceptable to mock nihilists but not neo-stoics? it's a new trend among right wing normalhomosexuals
it's funny because rightwingers larp as christians when their holy religion is based on coping a shitty life with a blissful afterlife. Weak as frick.
Lmfao this redditor is mad
>their religion is based on this because I say it is
Okay, atheism is based on being a troony homosexual who copes about his insufficiency by pretending his life doesn’t matter. You can’t get mad because i’ve given as much evidence as you have for this statement
Everyone who thinks like this should lead by example and put a bullet in their brain.
So by this logic christians should follow the example of their leaders and molest little boys inside God's house?
that can leave you terribly disfigured if you frick up
give me suicide booths
Sweden's had them since 2017.
What's scented meat?
Why don't christgays get nailed on a cross like their master?
isn’t the whole point he did it so they don’t have to? also what does this have to do with OP? do you think everyone who isn’t an anti natalist is christian?
So christians are just cowards who exploit people by definition?
Can you really exploit god in the flesh? By people, I assume you mean just jesus?
Yes like all 2 billion or whatever are evil cowards and you and everyone who agrees with you, they’re the good guys. Isn’t it past your bed time timmy?
Calm down and take a deep breath buddy 🙂
https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/metaethics-sequence
Read this, it’ll solve your existential dread and moping. Your welcome
I didn't see one anon in this thread who could genuinely argue against this. It's very telling.
The argument against it is to be delusional. But those who are delusional obviously don't realize their delusion. Ah but perhaps, it is I who is delusional! But by considering the mere possibility makes it far less likely...
they’re a step ahead of you and realise human knowledge by its own merits is incoherent and self defeating without delusion. so either speak truth and accept that you can’t defend the concept of truth without delusions or be honest and say nothing
>say “i’m not an anti natalist”
>reddit starts seething at specifically christianity out of the blue
What’s the psychological explanation
it’s the smarmy midwit version of TDS
Early youtube atheism is making a comeback for some reason.
Christian morality is an institutional value to this day when it comes to child caring, just like the abrahamic God you create life just to punish it for not acting in accord with your will.
>christians have sex and actually reproduce and I don’t
great gotcha bro
>christianity invented having children
why the frick was the rest of the world doing it for millions of years before jesus was born?
Mitosis apparently. The guy is a completely seething moron, don’t expect coherence
The solution is to expose your children to drag queen queer story times, only then can they experience the true breadth of atheistic experience.
>suddenly seething at trans people
the christcuck reveals himself
Wow chud much? we don't know what they identify as
Anon, you believe men are women. This is so moronic that it literally can’t be off topic in any scenario.
How do you think kids were treated before christ, anon? israelites were enormously patriarchal with their family structure for ages before christianity came along. Even pagans wanted their kids to inherit their values when they werent sacrificing them to baal.
>waaahhh I can't be bothered to reproduce so no one else should be allowed to either
Antinatalists are the biggest fricking whiners. Complete wastes of DNA. They should all do the needful.
it's about human suffering
it has nothing to do with not being able to reproduce
You're making your parents suffer by being an edgy antinatalist homosexuals.
>decide to make kids
>they suffer
>you suffer because they suffer
>want to prevent this suffering
>you make us suffer!
whole lot of fricking suffering for nothing
Then just kill your self and be done with it
Why are you such a coward?
Good.
This can easily be used to justify killing any person you want.
>We are creatures that should not exist by natural law
We are the only creatures on this planet that could hypothetically shoot nature's seeds to a new, younger star, even if that chance is microscopic.
If there is one thing about nature that is clear, is it that it loves to reproduce.
The only place it has left to reproduce is somewhere out there.
As far as the nature is concerned, we very likely are its best attempt at making flagellum for its interstellar sperm.
Humans aren't the first time when life radically changes the climate of the world.
>Pleasure is the ultimate purpose in life
>Hedonism leads to nihilism
Renouncing sensual pleasure is life denying
>The best form of hedonism is one that seeks to exprience the smallest amount of pain instead of seeking the greatest amount of pleasure.
You can't refute this, Cinemaphile.
Honestly antinatalism is an ideology of the terminally online only. We're all just addicted to a website where we are regularly exposed to demoralizing content that might or might not be truthful. It's just that I can leave my computer and appreciate life and you can't. Maybe culture war garbage threads makes you want to blow up the planet, but for me I have a loving family and I can appreciate how beautiful life can be so I don't reach that level of hate. Maybe you should leave your house more often and make some friends.
No I do not think antinatalism is logical, there are plenty of other reactions one could have to unfortunate information about the world that are far healthier.
He lost his daughter, his world was destroyed and he coped by decided there was no world worth living. You missed the point.
Someone can't into empathy
Doesn't change what he said. Our brain capacity is an evolutionary maladaptation not alike Irish elk's antlers increasing growth that eventually lead to its extinction.
It's why I hold genuinely non verbal autistic people in high regard. I consider them homosexual sapiens before we evolved to use language and became civilized.
>Our brain capacity is an evolutionary maladaptation not alike Irish elk's antlers increasing growth that eventually lead to its extinction.
Yeah no. And that doesn't change what I said even if he believes that. There's nothing innately intelligent about depression, just each individuals rationalisation of their depression.
Consciousness literally does not serve a function, cognitive function is possible without it, it's inefficient and cruel.
I think it raises the skill ceiling on cognition. If your conscious of the fact that your improving your space and personal state through your own action and not just impulsing meeting basic needs, then it can lead to neurogensis, creativity and invention
>OP asks for movie with antinatalist themes
>two hundred sixty six replies arguing about antinatalism
>not a single movie recommendation
Because it's mostly not a thing.
As much as people love to claim the west promotes degeneracy and is against traditional values. Childbirth is something nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole.
Ok, fine. Napoleon Dynamite. He's antinatalist to the core.
>he put the word kino in the OP that means the thread isn't supposed to discuss something offtopic
Holy newbie.
I don't think it's a very interesting topic for a movie, maybe the closest you can get to the idea of antinatalism is nhilism, and for that I'd go with something like "No Country for Old Men" or something more edgy like "Irreversible", try any movie that at the end leaves a sensation of nothingness inside you
That's Cinemaphile in a nutshell: a bunch of morons viciously arguing about nothing, protected by an anonymity that doesn't exist in other parts of the internet anymore. I love it though, great memes sometimes.
>a bunch of morons viciously arguing about nothing
lol. Yep
>I love it though
me too
Movies?
Just don't cum inside, it's not hard
Antinatalism and nihilism are never kino they are always cringe
Only moody teens like nihilism, celebrating life is always and infinitely better than myopic nihilism
You can't fool your rational capability into thinking life has a real meaning, the best you can do is embrace the lack of meaning.
I guess some people are just blessed with sheer ignorance, but this will cause suffering since their ideaswill inevitably be contradicted by reality because reality doesn't give a frick.
You are almost there keep going. Nihilism is strongest just before you get out of it.
If life is meaningless just end your life’s. Why even be here why suffer? Why struggle?
Because i don't want to give joy to people like you.
I would get no joy from it. So what’s the real reason?
If nothing matters why would it matter if anyone got joy from your death ? Why care?
If it was meaningless you would be dead. Simple as. On some unconscious, subconcious or preconcious level, you find or hope to find meaning. Suffering is produced by desire and ego. Indeed, if a trusted, yet false meaning was subverted by a natural event, suffering would ensue. But if meaning is discovered through acceptance and not invented through dogma, enlightenment may be attained.
i found meaning caring for dying people.
the way people pass away in hospitals is very exciting. there's always a story to everyone, some have folks, some don't. some suffer, some don't. Some let suffering break them at the end, and again some suffer immensely more than those, but never break.
I do know that death is not something to be afraid of, and that death and suffering gives meaning to life.
I'm a natal sceptic
I don't think antinatalism is true, I also don't think life is inherently beautiful or good
I am passionately pro-abortion and euthanasia
How is life not inherently beautiful? Beauty effectively wouldnt exist if there was no life to perceive it. The very concept of beauty is only made known to us through life. Denying the cycle of life will always produce less beauty than not.
>How is life not inherently beautiful?
you still say this after looking at war footage and people suffering from starvation and illness with no treatment in the 3rd world?
I love art and feel grateful to get to experience so much of it by living in the 21st century but seeing this ugly side of life just sours everything
Most people only care for themselves
if they don't suffer then suffering doesn't exist
>bad thing happen therefore the world is evil
You gays are so shallow, war, destruction and violence is just as base and inter heal to life and this universe as anything
would you still say this after experiencing it first hand and not being shielded from it?
war and violence is the tool that allows us to have civilization. force backs every law.
every tradition, value and measure to avoid conflict exists, and allows us to function like civilized beings, because we implicitly know, deep down, that if those values and mores are broken, it's everyone's game and you will have to bash someone's head in with a rock because you dislike him and he's a risk to your community.
war is in our blood. and resources are finite. that should make you appreciate your daily life more.
>we became too self-aware
Only Whites and Asians
>You can't just say life doesn't have a meaning
What is the meaning of life then?
Kwatz! A fly buzzes around Ummon and asks "how does a sramana live?" Ummon responds "I have no idea" "How can you have no idea?" asks the fly. Ummon responds "just let me keep my non-idea"
>bringing kids into this world
Fricking lol, lmao, even.
surely they will become brilliant scientists and will fix this problem
>people actually think like this btw
>he fell for the global *boiling* meme
>he thinks humanity is sinful
>he thinks he shouldnt have existed in the first place
frickin gay
>thinking P–T extinction temp-tier swings in the space of less than a century are just a way of the world
The finest of cope.
Normal-gays don't, they just react with hostility or denial.
Anyone who catches a glimpse of the truth doomscrolls into cackling madness or signs up for a job that earns them as much as possible and a 10/10 russian mail order bride like pic related.
eat shit
>it’s getting slightly hotter
>because if this human beings should just die
>even though we have the most technology and deepest scientific knowledge of all time
>even though humans have lived through much more intense climactic changes with no modern tech
>this time. Just die
You gays are so stupid but you think you are intelligent for this nihilistic shit. You are midwits at best
why do normalgays always go into this weird suicide mongering mode when faced with nihilism or antinatalism?
Because it disproves nihilism and the people espousing it as a bunch of midwit pussies that are just being edgy
obviously the nihilists that killed themselves are not here to argue about it
The nihilists that actually believed their nonsense
The ones who remain are cowards
that type of thinking is like an std. i dont want to catch it, i dont want people thinking that way near me. they (you) are genuinely repulsive to me.
your bleating and self pity make my stomach turn.
like you're sending out subliminal dysgenic signals "i am a genetic dead end"
what zero empathy does to a MF
literally just a monkey that selfishly wants to spread his genes no matter how much suffering it creates
>life is suffering.
Notice how these suffering mongers never have another metric. There is no good to counter suffering to them there is only suffering
You can end your suffering super quick bud. just do it already
depriving life of living is just as bad if not more, you double Black person feminist.
i have a positive outlook. you are defeatist. and it honestly sickens me you even exist and draw breath.
>depriving life of living is just as bad
False. It's not life until you make it life. Absence of pain is actively good. Absence of pleasure is neither good nor bad. The moral balance is weighted toward preventing pain.
>Absence of pain is actively good. Absence of pleasure is neither good nor bad. The moral balance is weighted toward preventing pain.
type of Black folk that never learned to love due to fear of abandonment, rejection etc etc.
i learned this shit in fifth grade. at the end of the day all the heartbreak was worth it, and i did it again, and again and again. and my heart broke again and again.
Yeah and then youll die and your spawn will do their sad little heartbreak dance and then theyll die and so on and so on....an infinitude of avoidable pain that we desperately insist is "worth it" somehow
Dude, why are you such a pussy jus have a nice day
>will do their sad little heartbreak dance and then theyll die and so on and so on
yeah so what. why does *this* type of shit break your resolve? as i said, this stuff was figured out when i was a preteen
what the frick is going on with you?
on this issue and this issue alone i am on team normalgay.
frick this whinging self obsessed "holier than thou" bullshit you fricking dysgenic degenerates put us through every time the topic is breached.
it's a mind virus on the same caliber as troonyism, and probably very related as a disease.
you should be monitored for your health.
>as i said, this stuff was figured out when i was a preteen
You didnt "figure out"" anything. you fell back on society's coping mechanisms because you couldnt face the alternate
expand your point.
i have nothing but contempt for antinatalists. they are my polar opposites and i truly feel i cannot occupy the same reality as these "people"
before i made my girl pregnant with my two kids, i came in her, she got pregnant and took some birth control.
and i think about that viable fetus a lot. what would he have been like. how would he have looked like.
if she birthed him, i would've never had my two kids, but i lost him, and so on.
my girl dreamt about him too.
so, to answer your point, every life is precious to me, even those not born.
Another thread full of seething normalgays
Thanks for the entertainment OP
So theres seriously no movie affirming antinatalism eh
"It would have been better for that man if he had not been born." - Jesus Christ
I know its internet tradition and we are on le epic Cinemaphilez but telling others to kill themselves is seriously messed up. I don't know how you can say that.
Many people are clearly afraid of this view and treat it like a leper that threatens their own fragile existence. It would be easier if depressed people just didn't exist and the earth was only populated with those who mastered coping and ignoring suffering. But that's not possible. Everyone wants to avoid suffering in the end, even if it means other people dying and suffering. As long as you don't have to die and suffer everything might be okay. Or the afterlife is some sick shit that we can't even imagine and we all lose anyway.
What's funny is that these depressed people who hate life seem more human than those who tell them to die.