What are some medical tropes you hate
>character is in mental hospital
>gets given electroconvulsive therapy
>this is shown as agonising, ineffective and harmful
>as if it’s just torture
Meanwhile in real life it’s very effective in treating certain severe conditions, and the amount of electricity is much milder than shown in media. It’s not even painful.
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why are you advertising electroshock therapy on this vietnamese fishing forum?
Can't escape Big Duracell no matter where I go.
Why don't you get some?
People who are actually depressed would benefit from ECT.
t. nurse Ratched
>character has mental issues
>gets "the help he needs"
>it's just talk therapy
Talk therapy can be very effective especially if the person in question normally has a hard time opening up and expressing themselves. Once you crack that egg, it all comes out.
t. the rapist
Cognitive behavioral therapy is what works best in everything that isn’t psychotic (schizophrenia, bpd, etc…).
Electroshock therapy works well on drug resistant severe depressive disorders.
Now if you want a lot of horseshit there is psychoanalysis.
Probably better than loading them up on zombie pills
No goy, treating the criminally insane is bad and fascism or something. In the name of freedumbz every city must be an open sewer.
In the past 15 years effective treatments using mild electroshock therapy have been developed, yes. But the movies you're talking about aren't set in this time.
tell us all about how useful a frontal lobotomy is next
>bad thing exist in certain time
>therefore all medical things from that time also bad
Penicillin was invented around the same time as the lobotomy. Guess we should throw that out too. Nobody can really get cured with mould or germs
Lobotomies were useful and massively decreased severe mental illness symptoms. IQ only dropped 5 to 10 points. Cognitive impairment was only significant in people with preexisting low IQs. Lobotomies were not discontinued for lack of efficacy. They were abandoned because religious people threw a fit and later media coverage of the Kennedy sister going from moron to total moron.
If you look up the majority of Lobotomy cases they were actually improvements.
Mind you, they didn’t actually lobotomise anybody for being a little weird. 99% of them were people with major aggression or inhibition issues that made them unfit for society. And for most of them lobotomies genuinely improved their lives, and could allow them to live independently
The minority of cases is where they just lobotomise some man or woman because they’re embarrassing the family. And the smaller minority is where more damage is done than intended and they’re just a vegetable.
You can legit look up plenty of interviews with people who had sub orbital lobotomies and they’re usually normal sounding.
Obviously it’s not a good procedure, but it’s not nearly as bad as people assume.
Overall it was a trade off. Mental health disorders would be markedly decreased, however also at a varied reduction in intelligence, personality and reactivity. Including less capacity to feel emotion (which you can see why some would see it as a good thing if they were always angry to the point of violence or sad to the point of suicide)
They never acknowledge or explain the title of the movie in the movie itself
>implying any of that is true
even if it is, did you miss the part where she hated his guts and probably upped the ante just to frick with him?
In the film this is allowed because it’s fiction. But electroconvulsive therapy machines aren’t fricking microwaves. You can’t just turn a knob to make it extra powerful and painful because they literally do not go above a very low voltage because that defeats the purpose of using them.
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They were the main source for treating severe illnesses like manic depression, psychotic depression. Even anti social mood disorders
Even today they’re still considered a major tool for such things. The only reason they aren’t used more is because films have depicted them as being torture devices for fifty+ years so nobody wants to have it done to them or to allow it on their family nowadays. Despite modern studies showing they actually have a higher success rate in treating severe depression and anxiety than anti depressant meds or Valium, which doctors hand out like candy
I’m not gonna pretend to understand how it works but it clearly does. Maybe stimulating the neural pathways just does a mild reboot for the brain.
Same way psilocybin mushrooms have been found to be helpful in treating depression and anxiety too. Just some overstimulation for certain under-utilised neural pathways which can quite literally change your perspective
they used to give it to people who were "weird"
as in like basically they weren't a normie
It shocked me a bit when I learned that electroshock therapy is still used and is one of the only effective treatments for psychotic depression.
My batshit aunt was given it.
Dunno if it helped her at all, but she is crazy in a different way these days.
You basically induce a mild seizure, it’s the closest thing to factory reset we got for the brain.
Because it's effective as OP said, and in reality people are given anesthetics before the procedure, it's not le 50s asylum torture method you see in movies
>Character has chest pain
>Opens up bottle of pills
>Swallows a handful of pills
>Immediately feels better
This is true for me but it’s because I have a lot of acid reflux, and the meds for that are super fast acting. As soon as they hit the acid in the throat and stomach.
As for regular pain meds I imagine you probably can get a placebo effect just from knowing you’ve taken them a lot of the time
I never used to have acid reflux but I get it from time to time now since I got fat.
I’m not fat but my diet isn’t great so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s down to me eating too much processed greasy shit and drinking soda
Except that’s literally how nitroglycerin pills work you mong. They’re small pills you’re meant to chew up and enter the blood stream quickly to stave off a heart attack.
Wouldn’t sublingual tablets act faster?
Yes, but that requires a particular formulation. The movie trope came about before that
t. watched too many movies
>character goes to a quack
>gets pressured in to cutting off their sexual organs
>this is show as life affirming, effective and ethical
>as if it's just medical science
Meanwhile in real life it's literally just crank psychology (not science) dreamed up by spiteful perverts less than a century ago and has no basis in biology or medicine. It's not even beneficial.
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Danish girl
>oh is that a [thread about literally anything]?
>let me tell you all about transgender peoples' genitals
>the libtards who insert trannies into every aspect of life are calling others obsessed
Hilarious
I don't get what that tweet is trying to say
TODAY! That therapy helps TODAY. Even during the time Cuckoo was filmed it was total torture and just a way to pacify difficult patients.
>Even during the time Cuckoo was filmed it was total torture and just a way to pacify difficult patients.
It wasn’t torture. It was a mild voltage that cause no pain or lasting damage. Yes it was to pacify difficult patients, because it worked. Not sure why pacifying difficult patients is supposed to be a bad thing, they still do that today, only with forced sedation
How does getting electricuted through your brain heal anything anyway. It resets the neuron patterns or something?
It doesn’t heal anything, it stimulates neural pathways.
Of course, this is under the presumption that you’re dealing with somebody who is extremely anxious or depressed due to a brain issue.
If they’re depressed because their whole family just died in a house fire it won’t change shit.
Then again doctors today give anti depressants to everyone regardless of whether they are depressed for legit reasons
They used to do if for long time and it would hurt like hell.
What you’re talking about is modern electro shock therapy.
Tldr: OP IS A Black person homosexual
>it would hurt like hell
Stop getting your medical knowledge from movies you dumb frick. It didn’t “hurt like hell”. It varied from mild discomfort to not feeling anything at all
Mark Ruffalo of all people is a big proponent of electroconvulsive therapy and he wrote a pretty interesting article about it.
>https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freud-fluoxetine/201811/brief-history-electroconvulsive-therapy
over flew was a cia propaganda movie so that the government is forced to close down mental asylums so then the homeless are left roaming the cities freely terrorizing the people while the real estate market prices continue to go up
take meds and get shocked
That's not a conspiracy theory, he's posting the accepted narrative based on public documents
If you think electroshock therapy is bad or ineffective, you have being brainwashed by gay narratives, the exact same was you think zoomers are being obviously brainwashed by trans narratives
trannies are clearly brainwashed by tiktok and sissyhypno
How can they hold your head if they’re electrocuting you anyway? Wouldn’t it pass to them?
>character has been in a coma for a very long period of time
>wakes up with immediate control of all their body functions as if they were just sleeping for 1 day
>in reality they cannot move anything at all and most likely can bareky speak as well due to atrophied throat muscles
I haven’t seen it yet, but this movie is on my watch list.
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it's kino
much better than Rocky Horror
I was just thinking about this when reading up on some different treatments when my anxiety/ocd was flaring up a few weeks ago from adjusting to a medication.
I see it as a last resort for me, but it's good to know that there is something I can turn to if things get worse. The worst part of the last few weeks was feeling like there was nothing left for me, and that I would feel horrible forever.
I think what I was most surprised by was learning that it was useful for depression/anxiety. I thought from the movies that it was just used as a "catch all" by sadistic doctors in the past and now is just used for schizophrenic/psychotic patients.
Be careful anon, it can lead to permanent short-term memory issues. Drs tend to downplay it
Suicide can also lead to short term and long term memory issues to be fair.
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If you aren’t having enough improvement from medication or other therapies it’s worth talking to your psychiatric doctor about it. They’re not gonna strap you down and make you do it, nowadays they’re pretty reluctant to do it because of the stigma so they’d probably want to interview you to see if you’re in the right range of illness that could benefit from it, then make you wait a while to be sure you definitely want it. Since as that other dude said, it CAN cause some short term memory issues. However as far as I’ve read these almost invariably are only temporary
>thinking electro shock therapy works
go back to 1953 hanz shubert
im pretty sure that movie was accurate in the way it was done then. They put people in insulin comas and gave them ice-pick lobotomys too. Today they use general anesthesia for electroshock so you dont see the seizure and they give people chemical lobotomys with injections of time release drugs that last for months.
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when Carrie Fisher was on the Craig Ferguson show (rip) she said she liked "est" as she called it, she found it very effective. can't remember what illness she got it for, though