Vatican has the most kino pantheon they keep, and probably the best catalogue. Don't know enough about the Orthodox but Protestants are dead last in every category without doubt.
>Protestants
Utterly incapable of producing anything but mega cringe. Their movies are mid at best. >Catholics
By far the best, actual artistic talent, deep explorations of faith, and they have many saints it fascinating stories to tell. >Orthodox
I've seen very few of theirs, some of them are good, but they seem to have a tendency to be extremely depressing and existential.
Can confirm that most Orthodox tv/movies are pretty bad. IT couldn't be clearer that the Papists have this one. By sheer volume I guess the israelites are the greatest kino producing covenant.
>they have the longest history,
The Coptics are at least as old, and probably older. The Catholics claim to be oldest by identifying themselves as congruent with the primitive Christian movement, but this would be like a Jamaican claiming lineal descent from Camelot because Jamaica was a British colony.
Yeah, and Nicene Christianity is just one of the many branches of Christianity that grew from its initial primordial form, like Arianism, Sethianism, various forms of Gnosticism, etc. There's varying degrees of Neoplatonism in all of them, and all of them are Christianity.
King James Onlyists, however, are not Christians, have never read the bible, and are in fact heretics.
>Protestants
Utterly incapable of producing anything but mega cringe. Their movies are mid at best. >Catholics
By far the best, actual artistic talent, deep explorations of faith, and they have many saints it fascinating stories to tell. >Orthodox
I've seen very few of theirs, some of them are good, but they seem to have a tendency to be extremely depressing and existential.
>many saints it fascinating stories to tell.
daily reminder that catholics pray to dead humans
also remember that time there were 3 popes?
or that time that you had to pay the church in advance to save your soul?
>pray to dead
Saints are known to be in Heaven, so venerating prays are made with them as reminders of how to live a holy life and for support. >3 Popes
Political conflict that was resolved without breaking the Church apart. >Muh Indulgence selling
It always was sold as a way to reduce time in purgatory. Confession which forgives sin was always free.
Because you are a moron who doesn’t understand how medieval society worked. It was part of the church’s relationship with the governing class, they would pay for masses to be held in the name of a dead family member and in turn that would legitimise the current regime and be a symbol of penance and reconciliation to subjects that whatever wrong X dead noble did has been acknowledged. Masses for the dead were extremely common and medieval people (like religious people of al generations in history) believed their prayers helped people in the next life and in turn those souls would offer them assistance in return. So if you want a ludicrous number of masses to be said for someone you need to pay the wages of the people doing it for you, hence the indulgence
Why didn't they just use their tithing for funerary services and festivals instead of velvet robes and gilded thrones?
9 months ago
Anonymous
That wasn’t a tithe moron, you were a noble who paid to have the services said. It was a transaction with a definite outcome that was integral to how monarchy and the feudal system functioned. You may as well ask why politicians need to spend taxpayer money on fancy suits
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm asking why they didn't practice financial austerity so they wouldn't need to continue extorting money from the peasantry through indulgences
9 months ago
Anonymous
anon he cant answer that are you insane?
9 months ago
Anonymous
the peasantry didn’t pay indulgences and their masses for the dead were part of regular service
anon he cant answer that are you insane?
you just gonna cheerlead like an insecure gay or make a point?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the peasantry didn’t pay indulgences
Thats not even remotely true. Why do you think the rules regarding the disbersment of indulgences were constantly being tweaked?
9 months ago
Anonymous
where in canon law did it ever say that indulgences required payment?
I receive lots of indulgences and never paid a dollar
9 months ago
Anonymous
>where in canon law did it ever say that indulgences required payment?
How is that relevant? Something being non-canon clearly wasn't going to stop them from doing something, which is why the sale of indulgences was happening.
Except it is true and you’re welcome to prove me wrong. Paying for masses for the dead was a nobility thing. Zero purpose for peasants to do it.
I don't deny that indulgences were sometimes used to fund projects for the common good, like hospitals and schools, but where do you get idea that the peasantry was completely exempt from purchasing them?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Something being non-canon clearly wasn't going to stop them from doing something
if it's not allowed according to canon law, then there are harsh penalties for doing it like defrocking and criminal charges
9 months ago
Anonymous
>if it's not allowed according to canon law, then there are harsh penalties for doing it like defrocking and criminal charges
And? It didn't seem to stop anything a lot of the time. Ultimately you condone what you allow, regardless of what the "official" position is.
9 months ago
Anonymous
corruption by asking money for indulgences was historically not a big deal apart from one very specific point in time, before which and after which it never occurred, because it is absolutely forbidden
9 months ago
Anonymous
I see how your language has shifted >nobility paid for masses because it was politically and religiously important for them, they could give large donations >it was meaningless for peasants to do this and it was never demanded of them- it’s unsure how a peasant unless they were a business owning tradesman could even afford a mass for a dead loved one >y-yeah but they weren’t BANNED right?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I never said peasants were forced to purchase indulgences, I'm saying that it's suspect that a supposedly righteous organization would set up a pay-to-win scheme as part of their religion, when they werent concerned with practicing financial austerity. Do you understand? Maybe lay off the golden crowns and thrones and you wouldn't have to dupe tards into thinking they can buy their way out of purgatory.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>would set up a pay-to-win scheme as part of their religion
it was never permitted and a few corrupt bishops were being greedy
this applies much more to protestants who set up megachurches
9 months ago
Anonymous
But it was permitted, the greedy bishops you're talking about it just took it too far and people were getting pissed so they had to constantly amend the rules.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>pay to win scheme
again, it’s already been explained to you how this system arose and it had nothing to do with that.
here:
Because you are a moron who doesn’t understand how medieval society worked. It was part of the church’s relationship with the governing class, they would pay for masses to be held in the name of a dead family member and in turn that would legitimise the current regime and be a symbol of penance and reconciliation to subjects that whatever wrong X dead noble did has been acknowledged. Masses for the dead were extremely common and medieval people (like religious people of al generations in history) believed their prayers helped people in the next life and in turn those souls would offer them assistance in return. So if you want a ludicrous number of masses to be said for someone you need to pay the wages of the people doing it for you, hence the indulgence
and as for the luxury, again it’s already been explained to you that most of the priesthood were nobility because nobility were the only literate and educated people most of the time, eligible of being clergy. it had little to do with the church
9 months ago
Anonymous
What was stopping the church from allowing the lower classes into the clergy and educating them? Maybe give them a little bit of social mobility?
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah why didn’t medieval society just be a modern enlightenment one? why didn’t romans or greeks or egyptians just do this? or the han dynasty? wtf?
9 months ago
Anonymous
This is textbook whataboutism. Engage with thr argument, coward
9 months ago
Anonymous
No it isn’t moron. You are asking why premodern society didn’t just adopt modern social structure and attitudes out of thin air. Asking why romans didn’t do this is the exact same thing as asking why medieval people didn’t do it. It’s genuinely the dumbest shit i’ve ever heard
9 months ago
Anonymous
what fricking argument lmao? >uhhh why didn’t cavemen invent democracy?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>this is the view of reality people accusing you of believing in fairy tales have
9 months ago
Anonymous
Except it is true and you’re welcome to prove me wrong. Paying for masses for the dead was a nobility thing. Zero purpose for peasants to do it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because most priests at the time came from nobility as 3rd-4th sons who were used to wealth but wouldn't inheirit. It wasn't some law that priest must live in luxury.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It wasn't some law that priest must live in luxury.
That didn't stop many Popes and cardinals though, who should be held to a higher standard, being the face of the church.
9 months ago
Anonymous
why do leftist politicians live in mansions? shouldn’t they house refugees in them?
9 months ago
Anonymous
They should. I'm not a leftist nor a progressive, so this isn't the takedown you think it is.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>i’m not a leftist or progressive
you’re an atheist, so you are inherently one and in league with a voting bloc that is 99% leftist
either way, all politicians do this. their work is seen as valuable so they get maid more the higher up the chain they are. it’s the exact same in actual non profit charities too. the ceo doesn’t live in a dump
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're a christcuck, so you're inherently a low IQ moron from Latin America.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Whiter than you and graduated oxford like a month ago kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
yes but your guys are the ones actively voting for millions of immigrants to rape their daughters every year. not some Hispanic in brazil
9 months ago
Anonymous
>yes, but
Lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
No, but. You’re shilling an ideology that has nuked the west and pointing to some monkey in a hut millions of miles away to cope.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah there's definitely not any Christian NGOs dedicated to helping refugees
9 months ago
Anonymous
one or two NGOs which build wells in africa versus a statistical fact of millions of left wing atheists constantly voting to import Black folk, making television and movies and songs about why we need more Black folk, and secular politicians who are voted in by these people and who execute their wishes
9 months ago
Anonymous
Is that how Jesus felt about Black folk? What would your priest say about these posts?
9 months ago
Anonymous
oops, looks like you’ve ignored the massive amount of hard statistical data showing that on average christians are massively more right wing and anti immigrant than atheists, who are one of the most liberal voting blocs in existence, kek. as for Black folk, I never heard him say his homeland needed to be flooded with them
Protestants are lazy, can't even decorate their churches. Don't want to work. Refuse to feast or keep traditions due to laziness. >Why do anything we all going to die anyway WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAh!
>Jews invented Christianity
Christ incarnated and plenty of israelites rejected him and demanded of the Romans to kill him. "Invented". What absolutely atrocious use of language.
unironcially how delusional do you need to be to call religion reddit? reddit is genuinely synonymous with the new atheist movement and has anti religious stuff on the front page daily. the entire basedjak science worship meme is based on these people. like how do you think you will convince people with this cope?
How do you know you've picked the correct god to worship? There are and have been thousands of gods in human history.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What if they are all manifestations of a one true god?
What if all the gods in all of history are all just chilling together like a bunch of bros waiting for us in the afterlife?
9 months ago
Anonymous
What if they're not? What if the real god hates your choice of religion and is gonna punish you even more than someone who doesn't believe?
9 months ago
Anonymous
But what if they're not and you're just making God angrier every single Sunday?
There's like 40 scholars who are now Agnostic or Unbelieving of Jesus' existence. No one took Thomas L Thompson seriously either, look how that turned out.
I get doubting his divinity, but how the frick would anyone doubt him being around as a guy saying stuff? He was around centuries after people like Socratis and Pitagoras, well inyo Romes existance, when history was already writen down. We know about his fallowers traveling around the Med area spreading his word.
Even if we say he was just a philodsopher and all the mirracles were made up to sell the philosophy, it's basically undeniable that the sect started with him.
The entire basis of western morality was indebted to it for a millennia and basically still is? Or are you genuinely so mindbroken you’re going to argue christianity had zero impact on western moral views? I’d love to see you defend that moronation
I have no idea what the difference is between these are, like, shouldn't it just be about Jesus?
Why do we need these splinter groups?
I've read the New Testament and Jesus is a pretty cool guy, can't I just be a Christian without subscribing to some fricking middle man "denomination"?
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Can confirm that most Orthodox tv/movies are pretty bad. IT couldn't be clearer that the Papists have this one. By sheer volume I guess the israelites are the greatest kino producing covenant.
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That's Matthew, not John and that is not Greek.
Lol holy frick you're right, whoever made this just used King James with the Greek alphabet for the "Greek" part. I'm in the middle of reading the Codex Vaticanus and I gotta say, this is high level bait
This image is guaranteed to cause furor on Cinemaphile, /misc/, Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile. Nice "Greek". >"Hey guys I learned x language" >proceeds to write normal English, phonetically, in x language's alphabet/script system
Pure moronation or excellent trolling
that's what protestantism is about. the other churches are about ceremony and materialism. there's a reason why protestant countries have left catholic ones behind in the last few hundred years
>Catholicism is about materialism! >that's why they are doing worse in macroeconomic indicators and do not have a "hard work brings prosperity" stakhanovite cult
>there's a reason why protestant countries have left catholic ones behind in the last few hundred years
Left them behind in what exactly? Most majority protestant countries are now majority atheist countries with levels of homosexualry and degeneracy that put even the Weimar republic to shame.
Aren't protestants supposed to be opposed to materialism? How are those earthly riches of your godless country going to help you reach the Kingdom of god?
Idk, ask the pope his thoughts on materialism. I'm not even a Christian
>HDI and average income,
Lol, LMAO even, imagine basing your opinion of a country on this bullshit. I'm from one of the countries with the highest HDI in the world but it's an absolutely soulless shithole where the middle class gets shafted with high taxes so the state can pay welfare to the 3rd world masses moving in.
>I'm from one of the countries with the highest HDI
Which one
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Which one
Sweden. We are the living proof that HDI doesn't mean shit when it comes to quality of life.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>We are the living proof that HDI doesn't mean shit when it comes to quality of life.
Doesn't mean ANYTHING? Really? Seems awfully disingenuous.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's just a number assigned by some ~~*academics*~~ based on metrics they picked, it doesn't tell you anything real about what life is like in a certain country. I can assure you that the average middle class person in a place with a mid-tier HDI like Costa Rica or Hungary, is happier than the average Swede.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I can assure you that the average middle class person in a place with a mid-tier HDI like Costa Rica or Hungary, is happier than the average Swede
Happiness is extremely multi faceted so I'm not sure what you're even basing this on. But to say that the economic prosperity of your homeland has ZERO effect on your happiness is a bold faced lie.
9 months ago
Anonymous
homosexual
9 months ago
Anonymous
Where did I say that economic circumstances have no effect on happiness? It just one facet of what possibly makes people happy. I lived in Argentina, and even though it's a poor country, if you have money the quality of life is very high compared to Sweden.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Where did I say that economic circumstances have no effect on happiness?
That's what the other anon was saying. >It just one facet of what possibly makes people happy
I agree
9 months ago
Anonymous
You type like a huge homosexual. Maybe R*ddit would be a better place for you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Seems like you've run out of things to say so you're just impotently seething like a hysterical homosexual
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not even the anon you were arguing with. I just happened to notice your passive aggressive and feminine way of writing and felt that I should step in.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not even the anon you were arguing with. I just happened to notice your passive aggressive and feminine way of writing
Try taking a look in the mirror you dumbass
9 months ago
Anonymous
Calm down anon, let me quote your original post for you: >Doesn't mean ANYTHING? Really? Seems awfully disingenuous
The way of writing here and the fact that you see HDI as a useful metric to rate the quality of a country have led me to conclude that you are in fact a homosexual R*dditor.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The way of writing here and the fact that you see HDI as a useful metric to rate the quality of a country have led me to conclude that you are in fact a homosexual R*dditor.
You've led me to believe you're a mentally ill brown christgay.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Mentally ill
Maybe >Christgay
Yes! >Brown
White as snow, unlike you
9 months ago
Anonymous
dangerously based
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well memed good sir! Epic chad moment! Take my upvote!
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Being this butthurt
I'll pray for you anon.
9 months ago
Anonymous
9 months ago
Anonymous
HDI literally has gay acceptance and pay gap as two of its major data inputs.
A poorgayg getting his sisters prostituted in Thailand has a higher HDI than a chinaman living in Shanghai for instance.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's actually based on income (with purchasing power), education, and life expectancy. I'm open to being proven wrong though, show me where gay acceptance is calculated into HDI
9 months ago
Anonymous
It is taken info account as part of the "well being" parameter. They changed the way they calculated it a decade ago.
Anyway >It was developed by Pakistani economist Mahbub ul-Haq and was further used to measure a country's development by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)'s Human Development Report Office.[1][2][3]
It was invented by a muslim pajeet. Huge red flag there.
>HDI and average income,
Lol, LMAO even, imagine basing your opinion of a country on this bullshit. I'm from one of the countries with the highest HDI in the world but it's an absolutely soulless shithole where the middle class gets shafted with high taxes so the state can pay welfare to the 3rd world masses moving in.
Lol that's not what materialism means you nophilosophy brainlet. God damn Cinemaphile is the dumbest fricking board on Cinemaphile, even my fellow BIPOCs on Cinemaphilenba are more well read than this entire board. I guess the boomers were right and tv really does make you a moron
>a tendency to consider material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.
Obviously they weren't talking about materialist philosophy, so what's the issue you have?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>expecting Hispanic Cinemaphile christlarpers to discern obvious context clues
9 months ago
Anonymous
Read a book, you fricking homosexual. He used the word the wrong way, and if he doesn't understand what philosophical materialism means, or give a shit enough to use the proper words to express his ideas, then his ideas aren't worth a shit, simple as. >hispanic
I'm probably the only person ITT that can actually read Koine Greek; don't @ me
9 months ago
Anonymous
The original posts
embarrassing
that's what protestantism is about. the other churches are about ceremony and materialism. there's a reason why protestant countries have left catholic ones behind in the last few hundred years
are implying that the Catholic church was more concerned with wealth and material things then anything remotely spiritual. Nobody except for you thinks those posts were about a church following materialist philosophy. You're a massive sperg.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't say that, I said he used the word wrong, and notably only after another anon already called him out. I came in to clarify.
If I wanted to shit on Catholics, personally, I would say that the Vatican II church isn't Catholic and every pope in the last 70 years has not been a pope and is in fact a heretic. His "material" argument was already addressed by Francis of Assisi; it'd be pretty hard to call a bunch of monks who refuse to touch money "materialistic". So no matter what, he is wrong and moronic
9 months ago
Anonymous
>His "material" argument was already addressed by Francis of Assisi; it'd be pretty hard to call a bunch of monks who refuse to touch money "materialistic". So no matter what, he is wrong and moronic
No he was completely right. Show me the Papal Tiara and tell me how the Church wasn't garishly vain and materialistic for centuries. Franciscan monks are hardly representative of all of Catholicism.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Neither are clergy
9 months ago
Anonymous
What is more representative of the church than the pope himself? The church had a long line of greedy and objectively wicked popes
9 months ago
Anonymous
Materialism states that matter is the only thing that exists, and reality consists of interactions of material - i.e. the unknowable noumena doesn't exist because of its subjectivity. It's an ontological stance, and not one adopted by any Christian church. You are objectively wrong.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're speaking of materialist philosophy specifically. Open any dictionary and see that it can be used to describe something that is vain and focused on material things, rather than the spiritual or intellectual.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/materialist
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I'm using philosophical terminology in a thread about theology. And?
9 months ago
Anonymous
The original discussion in question was about the wealth and gross material excess of the Catholic church. You're just making an irrelevant point because you misunderstood the word materialism and are now hung up on it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>misunderstood
You keep hammering at this point. I knew what he was getting at, but he used the wrong word. If anybody is misunderstanding anything, it's you. More likely, you are misrepresenting my position and thus are arguing in bad faith (aka you know you are wrong and will not admit it). gay
9 months ago
Anonymous
either way catholics are hilariously hypocritical. Im jesus would have been thrilled that his future emmisaries were parading around in gold robes in the most opulent of ceremonies
9 months ago
Anonymous
>catholics
In general? Or just the clergy? Are ascetic Catholic monks hypocrites?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Are ascetic Catholic monks hypocrites?
They are because they arent actively opposing the materialism of their superiors
9 months ago
Anonymous
What about sedevacantists?
What about Orthodox?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>grrrr this abbey you fund for us that allows us to carry out our vows and donate labour and goods to the local populace? >tear this down and give all the assets away to the government so they can spend it on Black folk right now!!!!!
Yeah nah lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
You know, in the new testament there's actually a guy that's very people-oriented and constantly asks Jesus to invest all his gifts as alms for the poor. He was Judas Iscariot.
As long as people with free will live there will be some who sin, and so the world is designed to be imperfect until its end. It's the interest of Christians to save the souls of as many people as they can, not to solve world hunger or poverty.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>beauty is… le bad
9 months ago
Anonymous
it's excessive and masturbatory
9 months ago
Anonymous
>my personal taste in art should govern the world
atheists did this in the soviet union and it sucked
9 months ago
Anonymous
>should govern the world >putting words in my mouth
Idk man, garish gold robes dont send the message that you give a shit about the downtrodden
9 months ago
Anonymous
well they’re the largest charitable organisation on the planet so maybe your opinion on their fashion sense isn’t that relevant
>it was just the times man
doesnt make it any more right
it was a perfectly reasonable and find transaction based on how society worked at the time. you don’t seethe about roman temples offering services like that
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I knew what he was getting at, but he used the wrong word
Lol no. When he used the word "materialist" literally everyone but you understood that he meant "fixated on wealth and objects". He used the right word, you misunderstood, and are not doubling down on your moronation for some reason.
Jesus left his apostles in charge of keeping the business running 'till he came back, making them his "officers". Problem is these Jesus officers are human and whenever they mess up people's faiths are shaken and they splinter off
The difference between Catholic and Orthodox is political, later evolved into a ritualistic one, but even with that there's not that much of a difference. Catholic and Protestant differences are about reform, Martin Luther didn't want to separate himself from the church, but the church didn't want to reform the things that give her power and status, so the separation become inevitable, there was a political reason on the side, though: the german states already where in bad relations with the papal rule and england was too far from Italy and isolated from the continent
Apart from that Boston film, has anyone made a kino about the Catholic hierarchy spending decades protecting gay pedophiles? Can I get a qrd on the link between apostolic succession and protecting gay nonces?
Yeah by most accounts that was the general reaction of Catholic bishops/archbishops when parents told them that their son was molested by the local priest
Look, the fact it leaves me unphazed doesn't mean there aren't consequences for you. Calumny is a severe sin.
>the catholic church has spent $3 billion on settling sex abuse cases
It's a bit more than that innit
9 months ago
Anonymous
hasn't your piece of shit government done a million times more to enable pedophiles over the last couple decades
9 months ago
Anonymous
Don't think my government spent the last 50 years moralizing about homosexualry being bad before it was revealed that they were covering for gay nonces
9 months ago
Anonymous
>my government pushed progressive homosexual shit for the last fifty years at least they are HYPOCRITE pedophiles
9 months ago
Anonymous
no but they spent that time saying sex crimes and rape and misogyny were le bad before covering for and enabling mass muzzie rape gangs
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and yet you worship it like such
Your based and redpilled church spent decades- and millions of dollars - protecting the proclivities of homosexual predators lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
Your government did far far more
Wrong again
K stop replying
9 months ago
Anonymous
>buh duh gubmint
Cope
9 months ago
Anonymous
Braindead reddit moron
Look up 'rotherham rape gangs'
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not briish
9 months ago
Anonymous
no but they spent that time saying sex crimes and rape and misogyny were le bad before covering for and enabling mass muzzie rape gangs
My government doesn't claim to be the terrestrial representatives of a righteous and omnipotent God
and yet you worship it like such
9 months ago
Anonymous
>and yet you worship it like such
Proof?
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're european
9 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong again
9 months ago
Anonymous
My government doesn't claim to be the terrestrial representatives of a righteous and omnipotent God
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah they’ll throw you in prison for life with far less reasoning. Now pay up because your government isn’t as outlandish as the Catholics
The Catholic church has been co-opted with their mouth-breathing globalist pope. The protestants are a creation of israelite subversion. The Slavs are and Greeks are moronic in their genes and culture. God hates everthing that's happening. The choice is yours. Unironically blame israelites.
>created christianity (paulianity actually) >Follows Judaism instead >Wrote the new testament >Followed the torah and the talmud instead
what was his endgame?
>another thread full of hate for Protestant culture (i.e. the culture of 99% of posters so it doesn't seem exotic)
This trend only shows that tradcaths get their entire knowledge from internet memes.
I had a catholic on Cinemaphile tell me Baptists are probably the most heretical denomination.
Meanwhile I view Catholics as Christian.
As far as Baptist movies, I don't know. I don't tend to look up the beliefs of people that make Christian movies. Not like it really matters as it is a movie, not some religious treatise
t. Baptist.
Andrei Rubilev is probably the best Christian film ever made, but Catholics have a larger catalogue of great films. Are there any good Protestant films at all? I guess Tree of Life maybe.
Although the Greece Orthodox church is the original church given that it was way before the Roman catholic church, they have barely to no movies, the only one I can remember who was also kinda good was some Russian orthodox film with Mickey Rourke as a cripple that came out a few years ago.
Evangelical movies are usually badly written and made nutsack movies with an irrational fear of prosecution like God's Not Dead (except 3, which I unironically recommend, the ratings are way too low, it's a very good movie).
Catholics obviously have a shit load of top tier films which are also consider masterpieces, but they also have lots of cultural milestones to use from. All European art until fairly recently was influenced by the Roman catholic church. Sad that pope Francis is a jesuit communist cuck else I would consider joining the catholic church.
Just Orthodox in general. The egyptians and Byzantine empire shared the same Orthodox Christian culture. Greeks LOVE parading that they are the "original" Christians but the Armenians, Georgians, Coptics, Romanians, Apbanians etc share the same Orthodox tradition.
And as a matter of fact, the last truly Orthodox Christian kingdom was great Britain: they (what we now call the Anglicans) were the last Christian sect, practicing under strict Orthodox doctrine and dogma, and operating as a feudalist Christian Monarchist-Republic. With the implimentation of their parlament, they basically ended Christian monarchy's world-wide. Whether that is for better or worse, few can say. But it's probably worth mentioning all political philosophies and organizations will always end up as the same old game under different rules and jargons.
>protestant Swedes genociding literally a third of the german population and like half of the polish population while burning down central Europe is Catholics destroying Europe
it’s a thread for film recommendations. if you genuinely can’t stand to see religion vaguely mentioned without throwing an embarrassing fit for 2 hours you need therapy. if Cinemaphile is full of people like that it’s synonymous with reddit, but thankfully I don’t use it
Of course you don't use Cinemaphile. You don't like to critically think. Book learnin' is for gays and redditors, right? I just want to look at pictures of underage D-list actresses from ten years ago, preferably their feet
This is the worst board on Cinemaphile
It is. This thread it proof of that. Cinemaphile is a reddit colony
9 months ago
Anonymous
Samegayging yourself, nice, that ought to make you look less stupid.
It's fun when arguments devolve into one side completely devolving into "saving face" on an anonymous imageboard. Get over yourself.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>can’t read post times >bizarre emotional projection
actual reddit migrant kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
>REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS REDDIT
I was posting on Cinemaphile when you were still in diapers. I've spent over half of my life posting on Cinemaphile and I'm 35, you roodypoo newfriend. Calling me a redditor is like calling a black guy a beaner; it just doesn't quite hit the same when it's a completely baseless accusation
9 months ago
Anonymous
right except you don’t understand that people can’t post twice that quickly, which discredits all of this cope
9 months ago
Anonymous
I, again, accept your concession.
9 months ago
Anonymous
so no argument then? >doesn’t understand post timers >made an incorrect claim >gets called out >I-I win!!
you sure do pal
Materialism means an ontological stance that only phenomena and interactions between phenomena exist. We just went over this.
Cinemaphile is full of pseuds that read fiction
9 months ago
Anonymous
you’re saying that now and got it wrong earlier, also trying to puff up your prose with superfluous analytic language doesn’t make you look smart, browsing Cinemaphile might help with that. easier to just say >only matter exists
like a non pseud
9 months ago
Anonymous
>YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE... I SAID SO! >BOOK READING IS... LE GAY!
I accept your concession.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you’ve come across like a moron this entire thread. nobody thinks you read kek. like every moron on that board you might read an article every now and again, or some pop trash from waterstones for normalgays. the vast majority of your “education” comes from wikipedia and youtube and it shows
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Muh appeal to crowd >Muh projection
Did you skip the part where I was talking about reading the New Testament in it's original Koine Greek? You technically haven't even read the bible, gtfo
9 months ago
Anonymous
woah you said you did something dude you must be so informed and smart
9 months ago
Anonymous
I, once again, accept your concession.
You are currently trying to convince yourself that the model you have of me, in your mind, is an accurate wrong. You will not, or cannot, address the content of my arguments, and so you have to argue - to yourself - that whatever I'm saying must be baseless, and that I'm lying.
We are no longer having the same discussion. You are talking to yourself, but curiously addressing me. You can't drop it, but you can't get past projection and ad hominems. Your ego won't let you accept that I know what I'm talking about. You seem insecure.
This is my last reply, since you are not actually talking to me, and I'm done commenting on your pathetic vitriol.
9 months ago
Anonymous
this fricking vomit of pseud psychoanalysis because you accused me of samegayging when I couldn’t have possibly done it. are you going to address how the post timers work out or just keep spewing a load of prolix not at all related to the actual issue?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I was baiting, dipshit. You called me a redditor who watches youtube and reads articles. I spend a majority of yesterday analyzing the Codex Vaticanus and cross referencing the usage of the words to other contemporary writings in Koine. On my fricking 280 acre farm. I know who I am and what I do, I know my truth. So if you're going to fling baseless shit accusations than so will I. Sorry you suck at reading and hate it when people use the right terminology
9 months ago
Anonymous
>IM SUPER SMART AND COOL AND RICH, PLEASE BELIEVE ME RANDOM ANONYMOUS PERSON ONLINE! IM MAKING THIS U- SAYING THIS BECAUSE I EPICALLY OWNED YOU! YOU TOTALLY DIDNT EMBARRASS ME BY POINTING OUT THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WEBSITE WORKS! IM HAVING SEX WITH MY SUPERMODEL GF RIGHT NOW!!!!
sure buddy
9 months ago
Anonymous
>i was only pretending to be moronic
9 months ago
Anonymous
actually embarrassing
9 months ago
Anonymous
you argue like a homosexual everywhere anon
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you were well read that would come across in your posts and it doesn’t.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Fricking boo hoo, are you sad that I used precise language? Address my arguments instead of b***hing about how I write them, you queer.
9 months ago
Anonymous
it’s actually not precise language, it’s verbose. it indicates that you don’t have a solid enough grasp to communicate succinctly but need to buff up your post like a dictionary entry written by stephen fry. if I say “only matter exists” i’ve communicated the exact same concept in three words to your 20
9 months ago
Anonymous
No you haven't, and if you want me to give you more lessons on linguistics you are going to have to pay me
9 months ago
Anonymous
here’s another midwit classic kek >you haven’t done X is central premise >paragraph of shit that doesn’t qualify central premise or prove it
Where in the constitution does it say that? Because state schools and governments do it constantly and lemmings like you don’t ever call them out on it. You’re more interested in shit that happened 40 years ago
They do it more on a per capita basis and also get constantly caught moving predators around. But you don’t give a shit about it. You do care about cases that happened decades ago for some reason
Never. There's a good couple bits that warn there'll be plenty of bad faith actors within the church... and where they're headed.
Yes secular institutions frick kids more, but that doesn't answer the initial accusation of the church being corrupt. Fricking kids is wrong and anyone who knowingly covers for pedos is sinning, but not all members of secular institutions, nor all members of the church, are knowingly covering for pedos. The imperfection of the people in it does not make the church less necessary for people as the imperfections of a mother do not make her less necessary for her baby.
Catholics have the best aesthetics and thematics but that has little to do with the religion itself and more to do with the history. The catholic church down the street is just as boring and mundane as the protestant one. People want deep history and lore, ancient Roman pillars and statues, secret catacombs. Not Father Julian diddling some kids and shaking an incense canister in a smelly mid-century church.
>The catholic church down the street is just as boring and mundane as the protestant one
wait until you find out about the Latin Mass that occurred around the world for well over a thousand years until 1970
It’s the same ones from a decade ago, but now that the younger generation is more educated on the same topics it’s kind of exposed them as complete frauds
>get BTFO after failed argument after failed argument >conclude in embarrassing meltdown trying to convince everyone you live in a mansion >abandon countless reply chains where you lost >feebly declare you won and your interlocutors are stupid after demonstrating nothing resembling this
whatever helps you sleep at night lil buddy!
Vatican has the most kino pantheon they keep, and probably the best catalogue. Don't know enough about the Orthodox but Protestants are dead last in every category without doubt.
Can confirm that most Orthodox tv/movies are pretty bad. IT couldn't be clearer that the Papists have this one. By sheer volume I guess the israelites are the greatest kino producing covenant.
That's Matthew, not John and that is not Greek.
Favorite underground christian movie? For me it's the life of Cure d'Ars.
Recomend me some ortodox kino
>Recomend me some ortodox kino
Andrei Rublev, Ostrov, Man of God
naturally cattolics, they have the longest history, the most misteries, the ahestetics etc...
>they have the longest history
that’s both Catholics and Orthodox
>they have the longest history,
The Coptics are at least as old, and probably older. The Catholics claim to be oldest by identifying themselves as congruent with the primitive Christian movement, but this would be like a Jamaican claiming lineal descent from Camelot because Jamaica was a British colony.
founded by Jesus in 33 AD stay mad bud
He didn't die in 33AD. Nor was he around in 33AD.
Whatever you say, pedo.
Gnosticism
Paul Schrader pls stop
Kenneth Anger plz stop
we are talking about Christianity tho
Yeah, and Nicene Christianity is just one of the many branches of Christianity that grew from its initial primordial form, like Arianism, Sethianism, various forms of Gnosticism, etc. There's varying degrees of Neoplatonism in all of them, and all of them are Christianity.
King James Onlyists, however, are not Christians, have never read the bible, and are in fact heretics.
Should’ve put the gold hat guy in the middle
Not gon' hold you, but the Catholics got it.
Catholic, easy. Orthodox in 2nd place.
Christianity is kino.
>Protestants
Utterly incapable of producing anything but mega cringe. Their movies are mid at best.
>Catholics
By far the best, actual artistic talent, deep explorations of faith, and they have many saints it fascinating stories to tell.
>Orthodox
I've seen very few of theirs, some of them are good, but they seem to have a tendency to be extremely depressing and existential.
>Utterly incapable of producing anything but mega cringe. Their movies are mid at best.
Risen was kino
>many saints it fascinating stories to tell.
daily reminder that catholics pray to dead humans
also remember that time there were 3 popes?
or that time that you had to pay the church in advance to save your soul?
>pray to dead
Saints are known to be in Heaven, so venerating prays are made with them as reminders of how to live a holy life and for support.
>3 Popes
Political conflict that was resolved without breaking the Church apart.
>Muh Indulgence selling
It always was sold as a way to reduce time in purgatory. Confession which forgives sin was always free.
>It always was sold as a way to reduce time in purgatory.
Cathcucks actually think their God wants a pay to win religion lmao
There won't be any reward for your bad faith acting. Quite the opposite.
There won't be any reward for defending rich pedophiles and charlatans on an anime website
you better stop defending pedo politicians and teachers then kek
When did I do that? Take your meds
>always was sold as a way to reduce time in purgatory
how tf does that change the absolute horrific reality that they seriously did this
Because you are a moron who doesn’t understand how medieval society worked. It was part of the church’s relationship with the governing class, they would pay for masses to be held in the name of a dead family member and in turn that would legitimise the current regime and be a symbol of penance and reconciliation to subjects that whatever wrong X dead noble did has been acknowledged. Masses for the dead were extremely common and medieval people (like religious people of al generations in history) believed their prayers helped people in the next life and in turn those souls would offer them assistance in return. So if you want a ludicrous number of masses to be said for someone you need to pay the wages of the people doing it for you, hence the indulgence
Why didn't they just use their tithing for funerary services and festivals instead of velvet robes and gilded thrones?
That wasn’t a tithe moron, you were a noble who paid to have the services said. It was a transaction with a definite outcome that was integral to how monarchy and the feudal system functioned. You may as well ask why politicians need to spend taxpayer money on fancy suits
I'm asking why they didn't practice financial austerity so they wouldn't need to continue extorting money from the peasantry through indulgences
anon he cant answer that are you insane?
the peasantry didn’t pay indulgences and their masses for the dead were part of regular service
you just gonna cheerlead like an insecure gay or make a point?
>the peasantry didn’t pay indulgences
Thats not even remotely true. Why do you think the rules regarding the disbersment of indulgences were constantly being tweaked?
where in canon law did it ever say that indulgences required payment?
I receive lots of indulgences and never paid a dollar
>where in canon law did it ever say that indulgences required payment?
How is that relevant? Something being non-canon clearly wasn't going to stop them from doing something, which is why the sale of indulgences was happening.
I don't deny that indulgences were sometimes used to fund projects for the common good, like hospitals and schools, but where do you get idea that the peasantry was completely exempt from purchasing them?
>Something being non-canon clearly wasn't going to stop them from doing something
if it's not allowed according to canon law, then there are harsh penalties for doing it like defrocking and criminal charges
>if it's not allowed according to canon law, then there are harsh penalties for doing it like defrocking and criminal charges
And? It didn't seem to stop anything a lot of the time. Ultimately you condone what you allow, regardless of what the "official" position is.
corruption by asking money for indulgences was historically not a big deal apart from one very specific point in time, before which and after which it never occurred, because it is absolutely forbidden
I see how your language has shifted
>nobility paid for masses because it was politically and religiously important for them, they could give large donations
>it was meaningless for peasants to do this and it was never demanded of them- it’s unsure how a peasant unless they were a business owning tradesman could even afford a mass for a dead loved one
>y-yeah but they weren’t BANNED right?
I never said peasants were forced to purchase indulgences, I'm saying that it's suspect that a supposedly righteous organization would set up a pay-to-win scheme as part of their religion, when they werent concerned with practicing financial austerity. Do you understand? Maybe lay off the golden crowns and thrones and you wouldn't have to dupe tards into thinking they can buy their way out of purgatory.
>would set up a pay-to-win scheme as part of their religion
it was never permitted and a few corrupt bishops were being greedy
this applies much more to protestants who set up megachurches
But it was permitted, the greedy bishops you're talking about it just took it too far and people were getting pissed so they had to constantly amend the rules.
>pay to win scheme
again, it’s already been explained to you how this system arose and it had nothing to do with that.
here:
and as for the luxury, again it’s already been explained to you that most of the priesthood were nobility because nobility were the only literate and educated people most of the time, eligible of being clergy. it had little to do with the church
What was stopping the church from allowing the lower classes into the clergy and educating them? Maybe give them a little bit of social mobility?
yeah why didn’t medieval society just be a modern enlightenment one? why didn’t romans or greeks or egyptians just do this? or the han dynasty? wtf?
This is textbook whataboutism. Engage with thr argument, coward
No it isn’t moron. You are asking why premodern society didn’t just adopt modern social structure and attitudes out of thin air. Asking why romans didn’t do this is the exact same thing as asking why medieval people didn’t do it. It’s genuinely the dumbest shit i’ve ever heard
what fricking argument lmao?
>uhhh why didn’t cavemen invent democracy?
>this is the view of reality people accusing you of believing in fairy tales have
Except it is true and you’re welcome to prove me wrong. Paying for masses for the dead was a nobility thing. Zero purpose for peasants to do it.
Because most priests at the time came from nobility as 3rd-4th sons who were used to wealth but wouldn't inheirit. It wasn't some law that priest must live in luxury.
>It wasn't some law that priest must live in luxury.
That didn't stop many Popes and cardinals though, who should be held to a higher standard, being the face of the church.
why do leftist politicians live in mansions? shouldn’t they house refugees in them?
They should. I'm not a leftist nor a progressive, so this isn't the takedown you think it is.
>i’m not a leftist or progressive
you’re an atheist, so you are inherently one and in league with a voting bloc that is 99% leftist
either way, all politicians do this. their work is seen as valuable so they get maid more the higher up the chain they are. it’s the exact same in actual non profit charities too. the ceo doesn’t live in a dump
You're a christcuck, so you're inherently a low IQ moron from Latin America.
Whiter than you and graduated oxford like a month ago kek
yes but your guys are the ones actively voting for millions of immigrants to rape their daughters every year. not some Hispanic in brazil
>yes, but
Lmao
No, but. You’re shilling an ideology that has nuked the west and pointing to some monkey in a hut millions of miles away to cope.
Yeah there's definitely not any Christian NGOs dedicated to helping refugees
one or two NGOs which build wells in africa versus a statistical fact of millions of left wing atheists constantly voting to import Black folk, making television and movies and songs about why we need more Black folk, and secular politicians who are voted in by these people and who execute their wishes
Is that how Jesus felt about Black folk? What would your priest say about these posts?
oops, looks like you’ve ignored the massive amount of hard statistical data showing that on average christians are massively more right wing and anti immigrant than atheists, who are one of the most liberal voting blocs in existence, kek. as for Black folk, I never heard him say his homeland needed to be flooded with them
>it was just the times man
doesnt make it any more right
Jews
I tried watching a Mormon movie and it was kinda cheesy and not so good
Napoleon Dynamite and Johnny Lingo are certified Morm-kinos
Protestants are lazy, can't even decorate their churches. Don't want to work. Refuse to feast or keep traditions due to laziness.
>Why do anything we all going to die anyway WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAh!
Protestants don’t stop working. That’s why Americans work to death while Spaniards sleep half the day.
Can they work on making some at least passable movies? Why do Catholics always blow you guys out of the water in this department?
Because Catholics are melodramatic by natureIt lends itself well to the medium.
All the real work is done by Catholic hispanic immigrants.
>Don't want to work.
Hahaha, it's all we fricking do.
Jesus wasn't even a real person dumbasses
>Pic related
>Richard Carrier
Pass.
Jews invented Christianity dumbass
>WE WUZ JOOS N SHEEIT
heard it all before
as usual no argument
>Jews invented Christianity
Christ incarnated and plenty of israelites rejected him and demanded of the Romans to kill him. "Invented". What absolutely atrocious use of language.
The torah is fake and you believe in lies
Take your bronze age flat earth book somewhere else réddit christian
unironcially how delusional do you need to be to call religion reddit? reddit is genuinely synonymous with the new atheist movement and has anti religious stuff on the front page daily. the entire basedjak science worship meme is based on these people. like how do you think you will convince people with this cope?
Imagine going to hell on the account of this nerd's opinion lmao. Pascal's says you are a fricking moron
>Pascals Wager
Babies first day in Sunday school
You know it's true ya hoe, you can't gamble for shit
How do you know you've picked the correct god to worship? There are and have been thousands of gods in human history.
What if they are all manifestations of a one true god?
What if all the gods in all of history are all just chilling together like a bunch of bros waiting for us in the afterlife?
What if they're not? What if the real god hates your choice of religion and is gonna punish you even more than someone who doesn't believe?
But what if they're not and you're just making God angrier every single Sunday?
Shut it homosexual, go drink some more of David's cum stored in the cosmic sperm bank.
nobody takes Richard Carrier seriously
There's like 40 scholars who are now Agnostic or Unbelieving of Jesus' existence. No one took Thomas L Thompson seriously either, look how that turned out.
You’re actually moronic. Consider suicide homosexual
I get doubting his divinity, but how the frick would anyone doubt him being around as a guy saying stuff? He was around centuries after people like Socratis and Pitagoras, well inyo Romes existance, when history was already writen down. We know about his fallowers traveling around the Med area spreading his word.
Even if we say he was just a philodsopher and all the mirracles were made up to sell the philosophy, it's basically undeniable that the sect started with him.
If you take out the miracles, it leaves nothing. The text is barebones after that. Not much to hold onto.
The entire basis of western morality was indebted to it for a millennia and basically still is? Or are you genuinely so mindbroken you’re going to argue christianity had zero impact on western moral views? I’d love to see you defend that moronation
>Why we might have reason to doubt
This is the book version of a clickbait article.
midwit moment
Catholics. Protestants can’t even make churches look good.
I have no idea what the difference is between these are, like, shouldn't it just be about Jesus?
Why do we need these splinter groups?
I've read the New Testament and Jesus is a pretty cool guy, can't I just be a Christian without subscribing to some fricking middle man "denomination"?
>can't I just be a Christian without subscribing to some fricking middle man "denomination"?
There’s a denomination for that!
Lol holy frick you're right, whoever made this just used King James with the Greek alphabet for the "Greek" part. I'm in the middle of reading the Codex Vaticanus and I gotta say, this is high level bait
This image is guaranteed to cause furor on Cinemaphile, /misc/, Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile. Nice "Greek".
>"Hey guys I learned x language"
>proceeds to write normal English, phonetically, in x language's alphabet/script system
Pure moronation or excellent trolling
>GΓεεκ
It was definitely made by troll but the person sharing it could be either, or both.
>Why do we need these splinter groups?
Because religions are about having power over people.
yeah those monks dying in poverty were really grifting bro
that's what protestantism is about. the other churches are about ceremony and materialism. there's a reason why protestant countries have left catholic ones behind in the last few hundred years
>Catholicism is about materialism!
>that's why they are doing worse in macroeconomic indicators and do not have a "hard work brings prosperity" stakhanovite cult
>there's a reason why protestant countries have left catholic ones behind in the last few hundred years
Left them behind in what exactly? Most majority protestant countries are now majority atheist countries with levels of homosexualry and degeneracy that put even the Weimar republic to shame.
HDI and average income, mostly
Aren't protestants supposed to be opposed to materialism? How are those earthly riches of your godless country going to help you reach the Kingdom of god?
Idk, ask the pope his thoughts on materialism. I'm not even a Christian
>I'm from one of the countries with the highest HDI
Which one
>Which one
Sweden. We are the living proof that HDI doesn't mean shit when it comes to quality of life.
>We are the living proof that HDI doesn't mean shit when it comes to quality of life.
Doesn't mean ANYTHING? Really? Seems awfully disingenuous.
It's just a number assigned by some ~~*academics*~~ based on metrics they picked, it doesn't tell you anything real about what life is like in a certain country. I can assure you that the average middle class person in a place with a mid-tier HDI like Costa Rica or Hungary, is happier than the average Swede.
>I can assure you that the average middle class person in a place with a mid-tier HDI like Costa Rica or Hungary, is happier than the average Swede
Happiness is extremely multi faceted so I'm not sure what you're even basing this on. But to say that the economic prosperity of your homeland has ZERO effect on your happiness is a bold faced lie.
homosexual
Where did I say that economic circumstances have no effect on happiness? It just one facet of what possibly makes people happy. I lived in Argentina, and even though it's a poor country, if you have money the quality of life is very high compared to Sweden.
>Where did I say that economic circumstances have no effect on happiness?
That's what the other anon was saying.
>It just one facet of what possibly makes people happy
I agree
You type like a huge homosexual. Maybe R*ddit would be a better place for you.
Seems like you've run out of things to say so you're just impotently seething like a hysterical homosexual
I'm not even the anon you were arguing with. I just happened to notice your passive aggressive and feminine way of writing and felt that I should step in.
>I'm not even the anon you were arguing with. I just happened to notice your passive aggressive and feminine way of writing
Try taking a look in the mirror you dumbass
Calm down anon, let me quote your original post for you:
>Doesn't mean ANYTHING? Really? Seems awfully disingenuous
The way of writing here and the fact that you see HDI as a useful metric to rate the quality of a country have led me to conclude that you are in fact a homosexual R*dditor.
>The way of writing here and the fact that you see HDI as a useful metric to rate the quality of a country have led me to conclude that you are in fact a homosexual R*dditor.
You've led me to believe you're a mentally ill brown christgay.
>Mentally ill
Maybe
>Christgay
Yes!
>Brown
White as snow, unlike you
dangerously based
Well memed good sir! Epic chad moment! Take my upvote!
>Being this butthurt
I'll pray for you anon.
HDI literally has gay acceptance and pay gap as two of its major data inputs.
A poorgayg getting his sisters prostituted in Thailand has a higher HDI than a chinaman living in Shanghai for instance.
It's actually based on income (with purchasing power), education, and life expectancy. I'm open to being proven wrong though, show me where gay acceptance is calculated into HDI
It is taken info account as part of the "well being" parameter. They changed the way they calculated it a decade ago.
Anyway
>It was developed by Pakistani economist Mahbub ul-Haq and was further used to measure a country's development by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)'s Human Development Report Office.[1][2][3]
It was invented by a muslim pajeet. Huge red flag there.
>HDI and average income,
Lol, LMAO even, imagine basing your opinion of a country on this bullshit. I'm from one of the countries with the highest HDI in the world but it's an absolutely soulless shithole where the middle class gets shafted with high taxes so the state can pay welfare to the 3rd world masses moving in.
>the other churches are about ceremony and materialism
>materialism
homie what
embarrassing
Next time just say you're a shitBlack person who doesn't know what words mean and don't waste people's time.
Or better yet: rope yourself. Thanks.
>no argument
keep sucking the pope's jesuit wiener
Lol that's not what materialism means you nophilosophy brainlet. God damn Cinemaphile is the dumbest fricking board on Cinemaphile, even my fellow BIPOCs on Cinemaphilenba are more well read than this entire board. I guess the boomers were right and tv really does make you a moron
>a tendency to consider material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.
Obviously they weren't talking about materialist philosophy, so what's the issue you have?
>expecting Hispanic Cinemaphile christlarpers to discern obvious context clues
Read a book, you fricking homosexual. He used the word the wrong way, and if he doesn't understand what philosophical materialism means, or give a shit enough to use the proper words to express his ideas, then his ideas aren't worth a shit, simple as.
>hispanic
I'm probably the only person ITT that can actually read Koine Greek; don't @ me
The original posts
are implying that the Catholic church was more concerned with wealth and material things then anything remotely spiritual. Nobody except for you thinks those posts were about a church following materialist philosophy. You're a massive sperg.
I didn't say that, I said he used the word wrong, and notably only after another anon already called him out. I came in to clarify.
If I wanted to shit on Catholics, personally, I would say that the Vatican II church isn't Catholic and every pope in the last 70 years has not been a pope and is in fact a heretic. His "material" argument was already addressed by Francis of Assisi; it'd be pretty hard to call a bunch of monks who refuse to touch money "materialistic". So no matter what, he is wrong and moronic
>His "material" argument was already addressed by Francis of Assisi; it'd be pretty hard to call a bunch of monks who refuse to touch money "materialistic". So no matter what, he is wrong and moronic
No he was completely right. Show me the Papal Tiara and tell me how the Church wasn't garishly vain and materialistic for centuries. Franciscan monks are hardly representative of all of Catholicism.
Neither are clergy
What is more representative of the church than the pope himself? The church had a long line of greedy and objectively wicked popes
Materialism states that matter is the only thing that exists, and reality consists of interactions of material - i.e. the unknowable noumena doesn't exist because of its subjectivity. It's an ontological stance, and not one adopted by any Christian church. You are objectively wrong.
You're speaking of materialist philosophy specifically. Open any dictionary and see that it can be used to describe something that is vain and focused on material things, rather than the spiritual or intellectual.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/materialist
Yeah I'm using philosophical terminology in a thread about theology. And?
The original discussion in question was about the wealth and gross material excess of the Catholic church. You're just making an irrelevant point because you misunderstood the word materialism and are now hung up on it.
>misunderstood
You keep hammering at this point. I knew what he was getting at, but he used the wrong word. If anybody is misunderstanding anything, it's you. More likely, you are misrepresenting my position and thus are arguing in bad faith (aka you know you are wrong and will not admit it). gay
either way catholics are hilariously hypocritical. Im jesus would have been thrilled that his future emmisaries were parading around in gold robes in the most opulent of ceremonies
>catholics
In general? Or just the clergy? Are ascetic Catholic monks hypocrites?
>Are ascetic Catholic monks hypocrites?
They are because they arent actively opposing the materialism of their superiors
What about sedevacantists?
What about Orthodox?
>grrrr this abbey you fund for us that allows us to carry out our vows and donate labour and goods to the local populace?
>tear this down and give all the assets away to the government so they can spend it on Black folk right now!!!!!
Yeah nah lmao
You know, in the new testament there's actually a guy that's very people-oriented and constantly asks Jesus to invest all his gifts as alms for the poor. He was Judas Iscariot.
As long as people with free will live there will be some who sin, and so the world is designed to be imperfect until its end. It's the interest of Christians to save the souls of as many people as they can, not to solve world hunger or poverty.
>beauty is… le bad
it's excessive and masturbatory
>my personal taste in art should govern the world
atheists did this in the soviet union and it sucked
>should govern the world
>putting words in my mouth
Idk man, garish gold robes dont send the message that you give a shit about the downtrodden
well they’re the largest charitable organisation on the planet so maybe your opinion on their fashion sense isn’t that relevant
it was a perfectly reasonable and find transaction based on how society worked at the time. you don’t seethe about roman temples offering services like that
>I knew what he was getting at, but he used the wrong word
Lol no. When he used the word "materialist" literally everyone but you understood that he meant "fixated on wealth and objects". He used the right word, you misunderstood, and are not doubling down on your moronation for some reason.
Protestant are gnostics
>the other churches are about materialism
>that's why protestants make the most money
what the FRICK did he mean by this
One of the differences between catholic and orthodox is how they bake their bread lol
Yes, unleavened bread is israeli. The ancient canons forbid Christians the eating of israeli bread.
Just because you think Jesus was a "cool guy" doesn't make you a Christian.
A lot of atheist liberals like Jesus, it doesn't mean they're Christian
Jesus left his apostles in charge of keeping the business running 'till he came back, making them his "officers". Problem is these Jesus officers are human and whenever they mess up people's faiths are shaken and they splinter off
The difference between Catholic and Orthodox is political, later evolved into a ritualistic one, but even with that there's not that much of a difference. Catholic and Protestant differences are about reform, Martin Luther didn't want to separate himself from the church, but the church didn't want to reform the things that give her power and status, so the separation become inevitable, there was a political reason on the side, though: the german states already where in bad relations with the papal rule and england was too far from Italy and isolated from the continent
Movies are frivolous idolatry meant to distract people from the word of god, so naturally Catholics make the best ones.
>t. Muslim.
Apart from that Boston film, has anyone made a kino about the Catholic hierarchy spending decades protecting gay pedophiles? Can I get a qrd on the link between apostolic succession and protecting gay nonces?
Gay priests were a mistake and even with them, the child abuse thing still is vastly exaggerated in media by bad faith actors.
>Yes my BASED church protected gay predators but uhhhhh
holy cope
Believe it or not but I really don't care about what you people have to say. Generously phrased.
Yeah by most accounts that was the general reaction of Catholic bishops/archbishops when parents told them that their son was molested by the local priest
God will sort out his own.
>the catholic church has spent $3 billion on settling sex abuse cases
It's a bit more than that innit
hasn't your piece of shit government done a million times more to enable pedophiles over the last couple decades
Don't think my government spent the last 50 years moralizing about homosexualry being bad before it was revealed that they were covering for gay nonces
>my government pushed progressive homosexual shit for the last fifty years at least they are HYPOCRITE pedophiles
Your based and redpilled church spent decades- and millions of dollars - protecting the proclivities of homosexual predators lol
Your government did far far more
K stop replying
>buh duh gubmint
Cope
Braindead reddit moron
Look up 'rotherham rape gangs'
I'm not briish
no but they spent that time saying sex crimes and rape and misogyny were le bad before covering for and enabling mass muzzie rape gangs
and yet you worship it like such
>and yet you worship it like such
Proof?
You're european
Wrong again
My government doesn't claim to be the terrestrial representatives of a righteous and omnipotent God
Yeah they’ll throw you in prison for life with far less reasoning. Now pay up because your government isn’t as outlandish as the Catholics
Look, the fact it leaves me unphazed doesn't mean there aren't consequences for you. Calumny is a severe sin.
every time you bring up to a midwit like this that teachers do it more per capita and constantly get caught covering it up they just start coping kek
yes westminster pedophile dossier which was burned.
>has anyone made a kino about the Catholic hierarchy spending decades protecting gay pedophiles
We'll have to wait for an adaption of Windswept House.
The Catholic church has been co-opted with their mouth-breathing globalist pope. The protestants are a creation of israelite subversion. The Slavs are and Greeks are moronic in their genes and culture. God hates everthing that's happening. The choice is yours. Unironically blame israelites.
Christians make terrible movies. Movies about Christianity? Considering the latter, Protestants.
Catholics, everybody else has limited kino output by principle.
Orthochads have Tarkovsky, Cathochads have Bresson, Protescucks have literally nothing
Prots have "On the israelites and their Lies"
>Protescucks have literally nothing
They have Dreyer I guess.
>created christianity (paulianity actually)
>Follows Judaism instead
>Wrote the new testament
>Followed the torah and the talmud instead
what was his endgame?
Huh? Who?
Paul, the one who brought the cult of Jesus to the gentiles
There's no "Paulinity". It's an idea dreamed up by dumb Protestants. And equally dumb outsiders who only read Protestant garbage.
he was literally the one who stopped circumcision. at least get your cope accurate
Judaism.
Jews
Obviously Catholic.
>another thread full of hate for Protestant culture (i.e. the culture of 99% of posters so it doesn't seem exotic)
This trend only shows that tradcaths get their entire knowledge from internet memes.
Catholic by sheer quantity of kino and it's not even close. We don't have much besides Tarkovski.
t. Orthodox
What about the Baptists?
I had a catholic on Cinemaphile tell me Baptists are probably the most heretical denomination.
Meanwhile I view Catholics as Christian.
As far as Baptist movies, I don't know. I don't tend to look up the beliefs of people that make Christian movies. Not like it really matters as it is a movie, not some religious treatise
t. Baptist.
Spaghetti Westerns are Christian movies.
Prods made Cromwell. so that's a point in their favour. https://youtu.be/bx27wa0SpN4
Andrei Rubilev is probably the best Christian film ever made, but Catholics have a larger catalogue of great films. Are there any good Protestant films at all? I guess Tree of Life maybe.
Although the Greece Orthodox church is the original church given that it was way before the Roman catholic church, they have barely to no movies, the only one I can remember who was also kinda good was some Russian orthodox film with Mickey Rourke as a cripple that came out a few years ago.
Evangelical movies are usually badly written and made nutsack movies with an irrational fear of prosecution like God's Not Dead (except 3, which I unironically recommend, the ratings are way too low, it's a very good movie).
Catholics obviously have a shit load of top tier films which are also consider masterpieces, but they also have lots of cultural milestones to use from. All European art until fairly recently was influenced by the Roman catholic church. Sad that pope Francis is a jesuit communist cuck else I would consider joining the catholic church.
>Greek Orthodox
Just Orthodox in general. The egyptians and Byzantine empire shared the same Orthodox Christian culture. Greeks LOVE parading that they are the "original" Christians but the Armenians, Georgians, Coptics, Romanians, Apbanians etc share the same Orthodox tradition.
And as a matter of fact, the last truly Orthodox Christian kingdom was great Britain: they (what we now call the Anglicans) were the last Christian sect, practicing under strict Orthodox doctrine and dogma, and operating as a feudalist Christian Monarchist-Republic. With the implimentation of their parlament, they basically ended Christian monarchy's world-wide. Whether that is for better or worse, few can say. But it's probably worth mentioning all political philosophies and organizations will always end up as the same old game under different rules and jargons.
>the last truly Orthodox Christian kingdom was great Britain
You can cope but that was obviously Tsarist Russia.
>they have barely to no movies
You're such a pleb. Greek cinema is one of the best in Europe.
Episcopalians.
Frick cath*lics. Those homosexuals almost destroyed Europe during the thirty year war.
>protestant Swedes genociding literally a third of the german population and like half of the polish population while burning down central Europe is Catholics destroying Europe
Start shit, get hit
Protestants
Terrence Malick is/was Catholic. So Catholic. Also it's the only real church (schism is complicated), so no "denominations" may apply.
catholics really believe the world's best and most efficient boy-fricking machine is led by God's voice on earth
The real truth about the catholic church
Catholics obviously, shouldn't even be a question.
>normal posters recommending classic kino
>one or two raging redditors spending the entire thread seething because someone mentioned religion
genuinely what mind virus compels this
Atheism.
>redditors
You're one of those anons that picks one board and never really posts on other ones aren't you? This is a Cinemaphile thread.
it’s a thread for film recommendations. if you genuinely can’t stand to see religion vaguely mentioned without throwing an embarrassing fit for 2 hours you need therapy. if Cinemaphile is full of people like that it’s synonymous with reddit, but thankfully I don’t use it
Of course you don't use Cinemaphile. You don't like to critically think. Book learnin' is for gays and redditors, right? I just want to look at pictures of underage D-list actresses from ten years ago, preferably their feet
This is the worst board on Cinemaphile
no, Cinemaphile is for the smart people. Cinemaphile seems like a board for midwits into pop stuff who don’t even know what the word materialism means
It is. This thread it proof of that. Cinemaphile is a reddit colony
Samegayging yourself, nice, that ought to make you look less stupid.
It's fun when arguments devolve into one side completely devolving into "saving face" on an anonymous imageboard. Get over yourself.
>can’t read post times
>bizarre emotional projection
actual reddit migrant kek
>REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS REDDIT
I was posting on Cinemaphile when you were still in diapers. I've spent over half of my life posting on Cinemaphile and I'm 35, you roodypoo newfriend. Calling me a redditor is like calling a black guy a beaner; it just doesn't quite hit the same when it's a completely baseless accusation
right except you don’t understand that people can’t post twice that quickly, which discredits all of this cope
I, again, accept your concession.
so no argument then?
>doesn’t understand post timers
>made an incorrect claim
>gets called out
>I-I win!!
you sure do pal
Materialism means an ontological stance that only phenomena and interactions between phenomena exist. We just went over this.
Cinemaphile is full of pseuds that read fiction
you’re saying that now and got it wrong earlier, also trying to puff up your prose with superfluous analytic language doesn’t make you look smart, browsing Cinemaphile might help with that. easier to just say
>only matter exists
like a non pseud
>YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE... I SAID SO!
>BOOK READING IS... LE GAY!
I accept your concession.
you’ve come across like a moron this entire thread. nobody thinks you read kek. like every moron on that board you might read an article every now and again, or some pop trash from waterstones for normalgays. the vast majority of your “education” comes from wikipedia and youtube and it shows
>Muh appeal to crowd
>Muh projection
Did you skip the part where I was talking about reading the New Testament in it's original Koine Greek? You technically haven't even read the bible, gtfo
woah you said you did something dude you must be so informed and smart
I, once again, accept your concession.
You are currently trying to convince yourself that the model you have of me, in your mind, is an accurate wrong. You will not, or cannot, address the content of my arguments, and so you have to argue - to yourself - that whatever I'm saying must be baseless, and that I'm lying.
We are no longer having the same discussion. You are talking to yourself, but curiously addressing me. You can't drop it, but you can't get past projection and ad hominems. Your ego won't let you accept that I know what I'm talking about. You seem insecure.
This is my last reply, since you are not actually talking to me, and I'm done commenting on your pathetic vitriol.
this fricking vomit of pseud psychoanalysis because you accused me of samegayging when I couldn’t have possibly done it. are you going to address how the post timers work out or just keep spewing a load of prolix not at all related to the actual issue?
I was baiting, dipshit. You called me a redditor who watches youtube and reads articles. I spend a majority of yesterday analyzing the Codex Vaticanus and cross referencing the usage of the words to other contemporary writings in Koine. On my fricking 280 acre farm. I know who I am and what I do, I know my truth. So if you're going to fling baseless shit accusations than so will I. Sorry you suck at reading and hate it when people use the right terminology
>IM SUPER SMART AND COOL AND RICH, PLEASE BELIEVE ME RANDOM ANONYMOUS PERSON ONLINE! IM MAKING THIS U- SAYING THIS BECAUSE I EPICALLY OWNED YOU! YOU TOTALLY DIDNT EMBARRASS ME BY POINTING OUT THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WEBSITE WORKS! IM HAVING SEX WITH MY SUPERMODEL GF RIGHT NOW!!!!
sure buddy
>i was only pretending to be moronic
actually embarrassing
you argue like a homosexual everywhere anon
If you were well read that would come across in your posts and it doesn’t.
Fricking boo hoo, are you sad that I used precise language? Address my arguments instead of b***hing about how I write them, you queer.
it’s actually not precise language, it’s verbose. it indicates that you don’t have a solid enough grasp to communicate succinctly but need to buff up your post like a dictionary entry written by stephen fry. if I say “only matter exists” i’ve communicated the exact same concept in three words to your 20
No you haven't, and if you want me to give you more lessons on linguistics you are going to have to pay me
here’s another midwit classic kek
>you haven’t done X is central premise
>paragraph of shit that doesn’t qualify central premise or prove it
Protestantism and Atheism. Catholics and Orthos are usually cool with each other.
Protestants can talk shit when they produce some kinos
>he hasn't seen risen
>he hasn't seen what if
Okay, I'm gonna go on a spree.
where in the bible did God tell his followers to move boy frickers around like sports teams
Baal 3:16
Where in the constitution does it say that? Because state schools and governments do it constantly and lemmings like you don’t ever call them out on it. You’re more interested in shit that happened 40 years ago
>but what about
typical deflection
They do it more on a per capita basis and also get constantly caught moving predators around. But you don’t give a shit about it. You do care about cases that happened decades ago for some reason
>more but what about
>more stop talking about that those children (on a far larger scale) don’t matter
>the "what about school teachers!" argument
Just because school teachers abuse kids too doesn't absolve priests of guilt
nobody said that, just you don’t give a shit about the latter
Never. There's a good couple bits that warn there'll be plenty of bad faith actors within the church... and where they're headed.
Yes secular institutions frick kids more, but that doesn't answer the initial accusation of the church being corrupt. Fricking kids is wrong and anyone who knowingly covers for pedos is sinning, but not all members of secular institutions, nor all members of the church, are knowingly covering for pedos. The imperfection of the people in it does not make the church less necessary for people as the imperfections of a mother do not make her less necessary for her baby.
Catholics have the monopoly on kino
that looks cool whats it about
A holy fool.
Pasolini's only good film
Lotta boy fricking machine defenders ITT
nobody is talking about state schools
Catholics have the best aesthetics and thematics but that has little to do with the religion itself and more to do with the history. The catholic church down the street is just as boring and mundane as the protestant one. People want deep history and lore, ancient Roman pillars and statues, secret catacombs. Not Father Julian diddling some kids and shaking an incense canister in a smelly mid-century church.
>The catholic church down the street is just as boring and mundane as the protestant one
wait until you find out about the Latin Mass that occurred around the world for well over a thousand years until 1970
man atheists really dropped the ball in the last decade, they really don’t know shit about anything
It’s the same ones from a decade ago, but now that the younger generation is more educated on the same topics it’s kind of exposed them as complete frauds
Any Rosicrucianism movies?
If you go to church you're an idolater. Read the new testament and emulate Christ.
>another atheist L ITT
Dawkinsisters what went wrong
Nice digits
why can't atheists and protestants live up to kino?
prots buy and large are proto atheists. their main contribution to society was bootlicking the economy and the state endlessly
don't watch exorcist films though
as a good Christian, you should try your best to avoid anything related to demonic possession
christians are low iq
just look at this thread
misrepresentation
feelings more important than reality
>get BTFO after failed argument after failed argument
>conclude in embarrassing meltdown trying to convince everyone you live in a mansion
>abandon countless reply chains where you lost
>feebly declare you won and your interlocutors are stupid after demonstrating nothing resembling this
whatever helps you sleep at night lil buddy!
Yeah the high IQ manoeuvre is to stop replying to actual arguments and just samegay the thread saying you won.
Ironic when you read
except he hasn’t left every single argument in the reply chain unresponded to kek