Ennis doesn’t mind pushing boundaries for the sake of shock value.
The show is too scared to risk offending people. Hence why it’s less offensive as scary movie despite advertising itself as being super edgy and shocking. They had a fricking field day hyping up herogasm in the show as being disgusting but literally nothing happened lol
Yeah. The show is a lot less interesting because it doesn't really have anything interesging to say and isn't nearly as biting or complex as the comic. There's none of the occasional bits of nuance and heart. Like Wee Hughie learning not to hate homos, Butcher's love for Terror or anything. Instead its "LOL what if Homelander quoted Trump and we had lots of gore!"
Also none of it's satire about corporates making greedy moves really lands because the show is made by Amazon and there's a shitload of really inorganic product placement. Like that episode where Hughie and Starlight kept talking about White Claws in a way that felt so inauthentic that I'd think that the wife from The Truman Show was reading the lines.
At least Karl Urban gets a paycheck and isn't starring in a show that's canceled after a season. Even if the show's writers aren't doing his take on Butcher any favors. Him unironically using the phrase "me wife's son" is so fricking funny.
I'll never get over how much they fricked Butcher's character and all the boys for that matter. I like Karl Urban but I don't see how anybody could prefer his tryhard cool guy persona over the comic's charismatic cool and collected (but at times scary) Butcher
>I don't see how anybody could prefer his tryhard cool guy persona over the comic's charismatic cool and collected (but at times scary) Butcher
People dont read comics, people who accidentally discover the Boys comics cant stand it, MCU brainrot on all fronts.
It's the fricking truth, you Mook. But let's be real It's not "free speech", it's "I shouldn't serve NO consequences for my words". Nobody wants to be held accountable because they can't take hit when it's deserved.
This is why Fawcett was so amazing, so many Heroes just punch Hitler (and, in fairness; The Big Cheese is likely about to), but Billy? He gets Married to the guy first.
Domestic Disturbance in the Third Reich, goddamned amazing!
The Boys makes sense when you accept that Ennis has always just been an edgy shitposting c**t with slightly more writing skills and reservations than Millar
>They're evil.
They could have been evil murderers and selfish buttholes, you didn't have to make them rapist Nazis who jerk off to holocaust photos while snorting aborted baby fetuses mixed with cocaine. Garth just has issues and I don't mean magazines.
Ennis literally never matured beyond edgy 12 year old mentality. >DUDE WHAT IF DA SUPES WERE BLOODY AND KILLED EACH OTHER AND SAID FRICK >DUDE BADASS WAR HEROES CALL OF DUTY JOIN MY CLAN [666] >FRICK YOU FOR MAKING ME GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL
>>FRICK YOU FOR MAKING ME GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL
his parents were atheists actually. and in his defense he literally grew up in the middle of the troubles.
The closest Ennis ever got by his admission to witnessing The Troubles was on the radio. He's never lost a loved one or saw one maimed to it. He's an ignorant homosexual because he thinks religion is the reason why the Ulster paramilitaries and IRA are brutalizing each other.
I just still don't get how Captain Marvel would have worked in the Boys universe. Like, how did getting injected with super drugs give him a magic word transformation?
I can't remember if he calls lighting down as that would be stupid. But other wise just assume the word is what he uses to concentrate and accelerate his actual super process. Like super growth or shit.
He could probably do without the word but being a lazy shit he never meditated or trained past the trauma to do so.
Everything connected to this moronic series makes my eyes roll back into my head from the sheer mind-numbing stupidity.
The comic is Ennis's gay little wish fulfillment series where his self-insert gets to kill childishly edgy versions of every single capeshit character he hates. The TV show, being based on the equivalent of a 13 year old's tasteless, puberty induced Naruto fanfiction, has no real identity. Especially since Amazon markets the frick out of it despite a major theme of the series being that the corporations running and marketing capeshit franchises are awful.
Neither of them are as thoughtful and subversive as they seem to think they are, and it fricking astounds me that anyone thinks either side of this moronic franchise has anything beyond scenes like the Superman rip-off mowing down a crowd of protesters with his laser eyes.
I recently skimmed through Dear Becky and I was kinda laughing myself silly that Ennis turned the whole thing into a literal pamphlet. He has Hughie go on at length about "woke" stuff being bullshit and whatnot, and of course Ennis' characters that would match the people "woke" ideology would allegedly champion immediately talk crap on it as well.
This ain't even me trying to dunk Ennis because I don't think I disagree with the guy. But when you just put what you think as gospel, offer no rebuttal and just have your characters that could be takedown or a different angle on things reinforce your own notion, that's kind of a safe space.
>and of course Ennis' characters that would match the people "woke" ideology would allegedly champion immediately talk crap on it as well
I fricking hate it when he does this shit.
Was Dear Becky the one where it was revealed that Stillwell went crazy and turned into a hermit living in the mountains? Because that's also moronic. Ennis can never just let something be subtle; it's not enough that Stillwell realizes that he's selling a bad product and has a melancholic moment, he has to strip naked and run through the streets ranting about the economy so you absolutely know how distraught he is. It's not enough that Super Duper is implied to be the hero team for children, you have to show them shitting their pants and choking to death on the streets so you have absolutely no doubts whatsoever that these are babies. Everything is always turned up to eleven, to the detriment of the story.
Though I suppose, in a way, that's the entire point of everything Ennis writes.
Glad this thread didn't time out. I think Dear Becky is a bit of a drab coda to the book.
We really just get another by-the-book Boys tale and it's hard to believe Hughie would react that way to Butcher being what he saw Butcher... well, always be. The guy was full on intent on murdering Super-Duper and he wasn't above considering murdering Hughie either when he suspected him of being a spy (of course, THIS UNSEEN TALE FROM THE PAST CHANGES EVERYTHING YOU KNEW ABOUT THE BOYS! would be its own flavor of drab).
The only shocker from that was to learn he did this tongue rip thing to a kid. The Becky scenes are nice but you could probably do that just on a book about Butcher's past instead.
And the Stillwell thing mentioned... well, I guess that really just drives it home how the book's thesis and backstory is told as well as it needed in the original series. Look at the guy's name: he's either a perfectly stable source of nourishment or he's doing good no matter what. That's perfectly capped when Hughie says "What are you going to do now?" and Stillwell replies "Something else". Guys like Stillwell are so high up in the food chain, they always get away with it. And what made Stillwell legit compelling, if even 'scary' to some, is how the guy doesn't care about a single fricking thing (and I'd say this still underscores the name). He grooms his own patsy, he refuses the limelight to manipulate people who don't realize they're doing what he wants to get ahead and have more money and power. If he suddenly has a breakdown about "his bad product", this imply he cared too deeply about his moneymaker and not the money itself. I can understand Ennis wanting to vent, odds are, given all the shit we've seen since the first book wrapped. But I do think it makes the story weaker, especially for a book that wants as much of real life ugliness to seep in as possible in a super hero adjacent book.
First, wouldn't cutting out a kid's tongue lead to him bleeding out? How is he not in horrible pain? Plus, I'm not entirely certain cutting out his tongue would keep him from transforming. What if the power had been given to someone with a really thick accent? Would they not be able to transform because they sound too much like Mario?
Or am i just thinking too much about Garth Ennis's severe autism?
The critique is pretty obvious? It’s the same neighborhood as Young Miracleman, young people can be total buttholes and what if they got powers. Only with that Ennis touch
I don't think he meant anything by this. I'm more wondering why they didn't have the balls to just kill the little shit already. Is it just so ennis could display his "clever solution" to the problem?
>The Boys is in reality a series about American hegemony and all of the horrible horrible crimes it commits with its power >applies this to a "what if superheroes were real" premise because supes would naturally need state and corporate backing >repeatedly shows that people with that kind of power are naturally sociopaths (with a few exceptions) >points out the farce of having "villains" repeatedly, especially considering supes keep on winning >case in point: Stormfront. He's literally from the same eugenicist cloning program as Homelander, just in case you haven't gotten by now that Homelander is bad >could not have hit the reader over the head with all of this any more than it did
>tv series comes out >they somehow miss all of this >now Homelander is heckin' based and sympathetic >has redemption archs for literal rapists and murderers >Stormfront, now a woman for some reason, is disliked by the other supes because "frick Nazis"
I never liked the comic and gave up after a while, but seeing how wrong the tv series got it so quickly was astonishing. How can anyone be too stupid to get a Garth Ennis comic?
>State backing
Wasn't the entire point of The Boys that the state was fighting Vought to keep heroes out of the military? Butcher works for the CIA. The entire story is about Vought pushing a moron into the presidency so they can essentially soft coup the USA, which is why Homelander just decides to cut out the middle-man and hard coup it.
Because the usual c**ts would have jerked it to OG Stormfront and now ordinary people get a nice dose of
BIG
FAT
KHAZAR
MILKERS
and the usual suspects can frick off.
Why did they make Greg mallory into an old woman in the show? Genuinely no reason unless one of the story writers has a thing for older women. Come to think of it, the show has a lot of sexual stuff related to old women and it’s weird
with ennis we can only HOPE that he's a perpetual 13 year old mind in an adult body that doesn't really know what 'edgy' is but desperately wants to seem edgy.
The other option is that he's a fricking psychopath and needs to be looked into.
I despise Ennis' writing.
But I despise censors far far far more.
How the FRICK did we reach a point where both the left and right of the youngest generation are puritanical shitheads?
It is funny how if you described this to me without context I might agree it's dumb edgy bullshit but in context, or even just knowing it's Ennis, I'm like "no it's fine"
The only thing that made me seethe about this comic is Butcher killing the crew after getting his revenge. Lord help me, I never thought he would step that low.
Is it? Butcher is a fricking butthole, he killed his so called friends after he got revenge, he killed MM his best amd most loyal friend because he didn't want to face the fact that he threatened and traumatized a 13 year old girl and pushed her away when there could have been a chance that she could fix her relationship with her father. He talks about losing Becca and Lenny and how it changed him, but he is okay if his friend loses his daughter. He does like anyone middling in his business but somehow he is willing to frick everyone around him to get what he wants.
i hate that the mainstream spread of the MCU has normalized superheroes so much that people think they're sacred cows. Ennis, Moore and some of the other Brit creators were right in mocking the medium and now all these zoomers are turning on them for being "edgy"
People who eyeroll at the edgy deconstructions aren't doing it because they think superheroes should be above being mocked. They're doing it because excessive edginess is just trite.
Amazon's Tick show still probably remains one of my favorite capeshit deconstructions and they pulled that off without it being "edgy" at all.
People who eyeroll at the edgy deconstructions aren't doing it because they think superheroes should be above being mocked. They're doing it because excessive edginess is just trite.
Amazon's Tick show still probably remains one of my favorite capeshit deconstructions and they pulled that off without it being "edgy" at all.
Those br*ts even have to make up with stuff about the superheroes for them to criticize. I guess over there they just don't get it.
Of these, I only like Frank Miller, though I also respect Claremont.
To be fair, Claremont was good under strict editorial supervision. And even then, there's some really weird story choices.
The other thing is that the comics industry's already blown its load over trying to deconstruct the concept of the superhero, like, twelve times over by now.
Like, the concept of the superhero as self-interested celebrity or being willing stooges for corporate backers? Did that with Zenith, X-Force/X-Statix, Wildguard, even Spider-Man's what-if on if he stopped the robber, frankly superhero comics were chomping at the bit to dunk on reality television for a while. Superheroes as terrifying would-be dictators of the free world, already did that with Miracleman and Squadron Supreme and with far more effective commentary too. Superheroes as societal outliers who just want coin or a valid excuse to vent their urge to kill, well, the genre has a whole host of bounty hunters, monster slayers, and adventurers that it's never shied away from exposing how terrible the lifestyle is once the adrenaline drops.
All told, The Boys is outright doing nothing new with its commentary. A lot of the cliches it's trying to "subvert" have been trampled on, spat on, and fricked in the ass well before Ennis got the idea. Hell, the notion of a team of generally normal folk teaming up to kick the ass of superheroes and supervillains was already done by marvel with Code: Blue. The fact people are so willing to fellate the shit out of The Boys for how "deconstructive" it is annoys the hell out of me considering it's not deconstructing jack shit.
The thing is that not a single one of these concepts was there to be parodied to begin with. Dictators? Immoral corporate/government stooges? KIllers? Those have always been there, they're just known as "villains" by common sense. Those br*ts just manage to miss the whole point of superheroes.
Superheroes are fascists and always have been. Conceptually, the only things that make Captain America different from Hitler is the backing of a fascist state (aka the US) and a super serum (a privileging agent).
Stop it, it's not funny in these days when we can't tell that you're joking.
5 months ago
Anonymous
"Might makes right" is the core theme of a lot of superhero stories tbh
5 months ago
Anonymous
There's a pretty significant difference between recognizing that authority flows from a monopoly on violence and being a fascist.
The term fascism carries with it very specific notions of a militaristic right-wing autocracy where political opposition is violently suppressed and there exists a rigidly enforced societal hierarchy.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Fascism is a polysemic concept, no national palingenesis is necessary. Salazar's Portugal was as fascistic as Hitler's Reich. The only thing that actually defines fascism is a tendency toward repression, however you choose to delineate said repression. Since all states are repressive by virtue of their monopoly on force, all states are fascistic. Ipso facto, superheroes aligned with communities tied to nations are inherently fascistic. Superman and Captain America are "big blue fascists" (quoting Alan Moore).
5 months ago
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Lefties call anything that uses authority in a way they don't like fascist. Ennis, knowing this, had a bleeding heart lesbo call Frank a fascist.
>nuh uh Fascisms means nothing! >nuh uh fascism means what -I- want it to mean!
5 months ago
Anonymous
Disagreements would suggest that it doesn't actually mean anything, yes.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>no words mean anything! language is worthless!
Please jump off a bridge
5 months ago
Anonymous
That's correct, language is arbitrary. That's been the academic consensus for fifty years now. Everything is arbitrary. You know that. Meaning is relational, relationships are transactional.
Really? Because yesterday you said they were always woke and progressive social justice warriors
More than one person exists online.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I choose to interpret your use of language as meaning "I am a moronic homosexual please rape my face until I choke to death on gallons of spunk" in defiance of agreed definition and common usage
5 months ago
Anonymous
Okay? Good luck with that.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Lefties call anything that uses authority in a way they don't like fascist. Ennis, knowing this, had a bleeding heart lesbo call Frank a fascist.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit that's garbage. I reminds me of when the Barbie movie's 12 year old called Barbie a fascist.
God the Left ruins everything.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>God the Left ruins everything.
That's the whole theme of media.
The thing is that not a single one of these concepts was there to be parodied to begin with. Dictators? Immoral corporate/government stooges? KIllers? Those have always been there, they're just known as "villains" by common sense. Those br*ts just manage to miss the whole point of superheroes.
Why are you censoring Brits? That's a very leftie tactic.
>people with all the power and zero repercussions do whatever the frick they want when they know you can't do shit and that includes the worst shit they can do to you
It's a pretty straight-forward message.
It's been almost 20 years and you dipshits still don't understand that the whole point of The Boys is that Butcher IS a monster. He just happens to be a monster that was weaponized to attack a specific problem. Throughout the series we see that Butcher is not above manipulation, betrayal, and genocide if it will accomplish what he wants. If you actually READ the comics especially the mini where we learn about Butcher's background you literally see that he was a mean c**t from the jump just like his father. But the thing that saves him, the thing that keeps Butcher from going too far over is his brother. Later on we see that even in adopted brotherhood (Falklands) Butcher still doesn't really care and is there simply to make some Argie more miserable a c**t than he is. Butcher of course is still prone to humanity Becky made him almost whole. And that's why Huey is brought on. Butcher knows he's like his dad, a mean miserable c**t. But he also knows (thanks to Becky) that the world doesn't need that. Butcher picks Huey to kill him because he knows Huey will do it when it comes to it. He might hate it, he might even deny and fight it, but Huey is fundamentally decent. Just like his brother. The Boys isn't just about Ennis' hate for Capes (though you don't have to really care about that if hating capes was trendy literally every Brit comic writer would be famous). It's about the fact that Ennis fundamentally believes that family can be adopted, made, betrayed and laid to rest, but it's the only thing that keeps the powerful from going bad. This is made clearer from almost every arc in The Boys. cont
Heroes are stripped from families, heroes are made worse by adopted families trying to fill that hole. Heroes KILL themselves because of a need for family. And even more funny, a family of good heroes literally causes Butcher to almost completely lose control. Because they remind Butcher that they have something he lost
The boys is a parody of american celebrities with a story tacked on. seriously i'll never understand why NOBODY ever gets this comic as the references galore it is.
What The Boys is all about is Ennis going on about how capeshit is cringe (fair) and politics would completely tardwrangle them by appealing to their baser instincts right until these guys lose their last remaining screws, and there's actually a fairly heartfelt relationship between the main core of characters sandwiched inbetween. There's the shock value and everything, but Ennis is clearly disinterested in pursuing anything on super heroes other than "what if [X character] was a total douche instead of sometimes a douche". If you read the comic proper, any time there's a plot point actually relating to any historic war period, you'll be surprised how much they overtake the narrative and his "look at me!" antics take a backseat.
The irony is that with how many of these writers may whine and b***h about how capeshit is cringe, but they'll still take Marvel and DC's money in shitting out books based on their corporate sellout heroes. Clearly they don't hate goofy underwear comics enough to prostitute themselves out to put food on the table.
Because Ennis doesn't hate superheroes, it's just something morons like you think because you've either never read The Boys or completely failed to understand it.
They said the kid was captain marvel so he had to be doing superhero stuff. It's just that when he became this alter ego he committed sexual assaults. For all we know unless shown this could be rape or groping or just kissing people unwillingly. The guy may have still been a hero but the writer really just wanted to punish this kid for something as mundane as this.
The boys series is bad because its just torture gore porn. There's no substance or meaning to any of it. But people will try to put meaning to it because it's shocking.
If somebody believes that it's "rote" or "overdone" to constantly raise the point that powerful people are liars and have the ability to rape and murder anyone they want without repercussion, I feel that has to be a red flag in itself.
>The Boys was made lighter for tv >The inevitable (I believe, dammit) Hitman adaptation will probably be darker than its source material
Monkey's paw at work
Nothing, like most of the stuff that happens in the comics. Nothing mattered at the end, supes will keep existing, corps will keep making them more loyal and powerful, Butcher killed all his friends because he is too edgy for friendship, and even then Supes where never a problem in the first place because the mighty US military had the power to easily kill all superheroes in less than 5 minutes, so what was the point? Why did "The boys" existed as a group when the state's monopoly of violence wasn't even threatened?
Homelander? The guy that apparently can survive nukes? Nah, we already had a weapon able to destroy him, also his rivalry with Butcher is completely fake, yeah I know you hate pay offs so at the very end turns out Homelander and Butcher never actually had a beef with each other because all was caused by the machinations of a mystery Black completely unrelated to these two.
All this was just an excuse to show edgy stuff with a capeshit skin, we'll also shove in messages about "family" "honour" and other stuff just do we can defend this slop when people figure all this series was completely pointless
The book itself is okay to mediocre depending on how many cape comics you've read before, it's the weirdos who exult it or spam shit like "Garth Ennis showed you capeBlack folk what's up lololololololooooooooool" that are tiring as hell.
Things that the series fricked over >Actual comic tropes and the whole comic/superhero market. Instead heroes feel more like athletes >Butcher being a menace to everyone around him >Frenchie and Female turned into romance. I personally prefer the Father/Daughter relationship >Stormfront in only 1 season and a massive jobber with a really unsatisfying final fight. Doesn't feel like an actual racist. >Barely anything interesting about Vought and Vought International >No supervillains >Herogasm was a massive letdown (Hell at this point I'd rather if they had only mentioned it and then did a spin-off mini-series on it, it could even be an animation) >Barely any Hero hunting from the Boys >Noir's whole new character and character misuse >Maeve's gay protection >No real commentary on comic books/superhero idols/the current state of superhero media/Hell I'd sneak in some stuff shittin on Kpop and "stan" culture >The series whole switch to current day polarized politics
I mean let's see if the 4th season ages well with the 2024 elections. I sincerely wish we had a few episodes (Or the whole of season 2) of the gang going around hunting lower tier Supes here and there.
It be nice to get an show/comic that just loves pure classic superheroes no bullshit from anything we get now just like regular good old superhero shit.
Ennis doesn’t mind pushing boundaries for the sake of shock value.
The show is too scared to risk offending people. Hence why it’s less offensive as scary movie despite advertising itself as being super edgy and shocking. They had a fricking field day hyping up herogasm in the show as being disgusting but literally nothing happened lol
Yeah. The show is a lot less interesting because it doesn't really have anything interesging to say and isn't nearly as biting or complex as the comic. There's none of the occasional bits of nuance and heart. Like Wee Hughie learning not to hate homos, Butcher's love for Terror or anything. Instead its "LOL what if Homelander quoted Trump and we had lots of gore!"
Also none of it's satire about corporates making greedy moves really lands because the show is made by Amazon and there's a shitload of really inorganic product placement. Like that episode where Hughie and Starlight kept talking about White Claws in a way that felt so inauthentic that I'd think that the wife from The Truman Show was reading the lines.
At least Karl Urban gets a paycheck and isn't starring in a show that's canceled after a season. Even if the show's writers aren't doing his take on Butcher any favors. Him unironically using the phrase "me wife's son" is so fricking funny.
>The show is a lot less interesting because it doesn't really have anything interesging to say
That's just being true to the source material.
I'll never get over how much they fricked Butcher's character and all the boys for that matter. I like Karl Urban but I don't see how anybody could prefer his tryhard cool guy persona over the comic's charismatic cool and collected (but at times scary) Butcher
>I don't see how anybody could prefer his tryhard cool guy persona over the comic's charismatic cool and collected (but at times scary) Butcher
People dont read comics, people who accidentally discover the Boys comics cant stand it, MCU brainrot on all fronts.
Edge =/= having something to say
FILTERED
i hope Rover Red Charlie gets adapted one day
I AM A DOG
God I hope not. Would have been the perfect little one-shot story if Ennis didn't feel the need to ruin it with the dog-ass-licking page
I had a sneaking suspicion about who the people making constant anti-Ennis threads were, but this kind of confirms it.
It's a combination of tweeters and the 00s boomers who read the Encylopedia Dramatica entry on Cinemaphile and still think they're funny
We were on ED? How flattering
I was calling Garth Ennis a c**t homosexual years before twitter existed, you troon.
We gonna need proof, show us the photos of the smoke signals chief.
And you were just as wrong back then
If it was up to Twitter troony c**ts, free speech would be dead.
If it was up to evangelical /misc/ c**ts, free speech would be dead.
Two sides of the same stupid quarter.
and there it is...
.. the truth
It's the fricking truth, you Mook. But let's be real It's not "free speech", it's "I shouldn't serve NO consequences for my words". Nobody wants to be held accountable because they can't take hit when it's deserved.
Freedom of speech means speech free of consequences, moron.
It means the government leaves you alone homosexual, other people have just as much right to shit on you for your moronic opinions.
Even through violent means as you seem to imply.
Yes, and?
obsessed
>super heros but they're bad is okay now
The Boys makes more sense when you look at it as Garth Ennis beating up morally gray/evil superheroes.
I never saw the show or the comic but I thought it was obvious that this was the case.
Yes because Billy Batson is the epitome of morally grey.
Has Billy Baston ever been perverted at all while in his Captain Marvel form?
>Has Billy Baston ever been perverted at all while in his Captain Marvel form?
Maybe.
This is why Fawcett was so amazing, so many Heroes just punch Hitler (and, in fairness; The Big Cheese is likely about to), but Billy? He gets Married to the guy first.
Domestic Disturbance in the Third Reich, goddamned amazing!
I was already laughing at the comic, and this made me laugh harder.
Welcome Back Frank side-plot was pretty much that.
The Boys makes sense when you accept that Ennis has always just been an edgy shitposting c**t with slightly more writing skills and reservations than Millar
>slightly more writing skills and reservations than Millar
Crossed?
I said slightly
It's more than slightly, honestly.
I just had no idea millar made anything with less restraint and skill than even Crossed.
The Unfunnies and Trouble by Millar are contenders for worst comics of all time.
Crossed isn't even that bad.
You know, the moron from site X has a point.What's the point of making them all rapists?
They're evil.
lazy writing
Impeccable argumentation skills.
In addition to saying wrong things, you didn't give any argument.
>They're evil.
They could have been evil murderers and selfish buttholes, you didn't have to make them rapist Nazis who jerk off to holocaust photos while snorting aborted baby fetuses mixed with cocaine. Garth just has issues and I don't mean magazines.
Ennis literally never matured beyond edgy 12 year old mentality.
>DUDE WHAT IF DA SUPES WERE BLOODY AND KILLED EACH OTHER AND SAID FRICK
>DUDE BADASS WAR HEROES CALL OF DUTY JOIN MY CLAN [666]
>FRICK YOU FOR MAKING ME GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL
He's a crude working class lefty and I'm glad he offends the delicate sensibilities of middle-class+ people.
>working class lefty
a comic writer will never be that
>>FRICK YOU FOR MAKING ME GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL
That's actually based, imagine forcing your White kid to worship a non White deity.
kys rn lmao
Why should I when my mere existence makes you seethe
>>FRICK YOU FOR MAKING ME GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL
his parents were atheists actually. and in his defense he literally grew up in the middle of the troubles.
>he literally grew up in the middle of the troubles.
yeah no where near any actual action piss off with that
The closest Ennis ever got by his admission to witnessing The Troubles was on the radio. He's never lost a loved one or saw one maimed to it. He's an ignorant homosexual because he thinks religion is the reason why the Ulster paramilitaries and IRA are brutalizing each other.
He isn’t entirely wrong there
i was a toddler when the iraq war started so does that mean i can justify all of my shitty behavior by saying that i grew up during a war?
Were you a toddler in Iraq?
More proof a godless house produces fricked up humans.
>and in his defense he literally grew up in the middle of the troubles.
This doesn't excuse anything.
T.hird worlder
The tv show mogs the comic. I'm not even sorry for saying this. The whole gaslighting Homelander into thinking he's some stupid cannibal was moronic.
The show is even worse than the comic. Making Homelander another Trump analogue is even dumber than the gaslighting shit.
Yeah they really turned him into Trump haha.. fricking moron.
>The whole gaslighting Homelander into thinking he's some stupid cannibal was moronic.
True, except the opposite
>The tv show mogs the comic
Doubt you would be saying that if they had anyone but Anthony Starr as Homie.
Only the first season.
it seems the boys comicbook and garth ennis are the biggest filters on Cinemaphile sames happen with sport and racing games on /vr/
Cinemaphile is like 90% trannies and women obsessed with Yaoi. Are you this surprised?
Nah here is the real filter. Barbara/Bruce.
Have you ever considered that you just have shit taste?
best post itt
>replying to yourself
Why?
>gay flag
>terrorist flag
>together
Whatever this person thinks, it's wrong.
Alan Moore already did this much better with Kid Miracleman.
I just still don't get how Captain Marvel would have worked in the Boys universe. Like, how did getting injected with super drugs give him a magic word transformation?
Vought's shit is no different than a super soldier formula. Which has been used to make Captain America, resemble yes?
Also a SSF made Sentry.
I can't remember if he calls lighting down as that would be stupid. But other wise just assume the word is what he uses to concentrate and accelerate his actual super process. Like super growth or shit.
He could probably do without the word but being a lazy shit he never meditated or trained past the trauma to do so.
I have the same problem with Jack from Jupiter, who has to say a "magic word" that somehow makes him invulnerable.
Everything connected to this moronic series makes my eyes roll back into my head from the sheer mind-numbing stupidity.
The comic is Ennis's gay little wish fulfillment series where his self-insert gets to kill childishly edgy versions of every single capeshit character he hates. The TV show, being based on the equivalent of a 13 year old's tasteless, puberty induced Naruto fanfiction, has no real identity. Especially since Amazon markets the frick out of it despite a major theme of the series being that the corporations running and marketing capeshit franchises are awful.
Neither of them are as thoughtful and subversive as they seem to think they are, and it fricking astounds me that anyone thinks either side of this moronic franchise has anything beyond scenes like the Superman rip-off mowing down a crowd of protesters with his laser eyes.
>complain about shit like this in the comic
>but the show with termite and the deep fricking an octopus is fine
Hey, don't kinkshame.
More like Garth Pennis
well the comic considers the fact that some superheroes are poofs to be some kind of noteworthy revelation of grand degeneracy so I don't know really
I recently skimmed through Dear Becky and I was kinda laughing myself silly that Ennis turned the whole thing into a literal pamphlet. He has Hughie go on at length about "woke" stuff being bullshit and whatnot, and of course Ennis' characters that would match the people "woke" ideology would allegedly champion immediately talk crap on it as well.
This ain't even me trying to dunk Ennis because I don't think I disagree with the guy. But when you just put what you think as gospel, offer no rebuttal and just have your characters that could be takedown or a different angle on things reinforce your own notion, that's kind of a safe space.
Did he actually use the word woke?
Yes, Dear Becky is 2020.
Even Covid got in.
>and of course Ennis' characters that would match the people "woke" ideology would allegedly champion immediately talk crap on it as well
I fricking hate it when he does this shit.
Was Dear Becky the one where it was revealed that Stillwell went crazy and turned into a hermit living in the mountains? Because that's also moronic. Ennis can never just let something be subtle; it's not enough that Stillwell realizes that he's selling a bad product and has a melancholic moment, he has to strip naked and run through the streets ranting about the economy so you absolutely know how distraught he is. It's not enough that Super Duper is implied to be the hero team for children, you have to show them shitting their pants and choking to death on the streets so you have absolutely no doubts whatsoever that these are babies. Everything is always turned up to eleven, to the detriment of the story.
Though I suppose, in a way, that's the entire point of everything Ennis writes.
>Was Dear Becky the one where it was revealed that Stillwell went crazy and turned into a hermit living in the mountains?
The same.
Glad this thread didn't time out. I think Dear Becky is a bit of a drab coda to the book.
We really just get another by-the-book Boys tale and it's hard to believe Hughie would react that way to Butcher being what he saw Butcher... well, always be. The guy was full on intent on murdering Super-Duper and he wasn't above considering murdering Hughie either when he suspected him of being a spy (of course, THIS UNSEEN TALE FROM THE PAST CHANGES EVERYTHING YOU KNEW ABOUT THE BOYS! would be its own flavor of drab).
The only shocker from that was to learn he did this tongue rip thing to a kid. The Becky scenes are nice but you could probably do that just on a book about Butcher's past instead.
And the Stillwell thing mentioned... well, I guess that really just drives it home how the book's thesis and backstory is told as well as it needed in the original series. Look at the guy's name: he's either a perfectly stable source of nourishment or he's doing good no matter what. That's perfectly capped when Hughie says "What are you going to do now?" and Stillwell replies "Something else". Guys like Stillwell are so high up in the food chain, they always get away with it. And what made Stillwell legit compelling, if even 'scary' to some, is how the guy doesn't care about a single fricking thing (and I'd say this still underscores the name). He grooms his own patsy, he refuses the limelight to manipulate people who don't realize they're doing what he wants to get ahead and have more money and power. If he suddenly has a breakdown about "his bad product", this imply he cared too deeply about his moneymaker and not the money itself. I can understand Ennis wanting to vent, odds are, given all the shit we've seen since the first book wrapped. But I do think it makes the story weaker, especially for a book that wants as much of real life ugliness to seep in as possible in a super hero adjacent book.
First, wouldn't cutting out a kid's tongue lead to him bleeding out? How is he not in horrible pain? Plus, I'm not entirely certain cutting out his tongue would keep him from transforming. What if the power had been given to someone with a really thick accent? Would they not be able to transform because they sound too much like Mario?
Or am i just thinking too much about Garth Ennis's severe autism?
The severe autism is all yours.
Go to bed, Mr. Ennis.
See what I mean?
>Gay flag and Palestine flag
Twitter users should not have the right to vote
The critique is pretty obvious? It’s the same neighborhood as Young Miracleman, young people can be total buttholes and what if they got powers. Only with that Ennis touch
it's basically celebrities, tbh. squeaky clean public image but they're actually going to dubai to get shat on for money and the like
I don't think he meant anything by this. I'm more wondering why they didn't have the balls to just kill the little shit already. Is it just so ennis could display his "clever solution" to the problem?
>twittertroons hate ennis
imagine my surprise
>The Boys is in reality a series about American hegemony and all of the horrible horrible crimes it commits with its power
>applies this to a "what if superheroes were real" premise because supes would naturally need state and corporate backing
>repeatedly shows that people with that kind of power are naturally sociopaths (with a few exceptions)
>points out the farce of having "villains" repeatedly, especially considering supes keep on winning
>case in point: Stormfront. He's literally from the same eugenicist cloning program as Homelander, just in case you haven't gotten by now that Homelander is bad
>could not have hit the reader over the head with all of this any more than it did
>tv series comes out
>they somehow miss all of this
>now Homelander is heckin' based and sympathetic
>has redemption archs for literal rapists and murderers
>Stormfront, now a woman for some reason, is disliked by the other supes because "frick Nazis"
I never liked the comic and gave up after a while, but seeing how wrong the tv series got it so quickly was astonishing. How can anyone be too stupid to get a Garth Ennis comic?
>because supes would naturally need state and corporate backing
false
>>now Homelander is heckin' based and sympathetic
nope
>State backing
Wasn't the entire point of The Boys that the state was fighting Vought to keep heroes out of the military? Butcher works for the CIA. The entire story is about Vought pushing a moron into the presidency so they can essentially soft coup the USA, which is why Homelander just decides to cut out the middle-man and hard coup it.
Ennis writes comics for a subculture.
The Boys TV show is written by and for a media corporation.
That tells you all you need to know.
Because the usual c**ts would have jerked it to OG Stormfront and now ordinary people get a nice dose of
BIG
FAT
KHAZAR
MILKERS
and the usual suspects can frick off.
What milkers?
I mean, rape is bad. If you need a reason to defend it, you need to be killed and displayed to the public.
>DUDE, RAPE
Shame on anyone calling this slop thought-provoking. Having a character be a rapist is the laziest, cheapest way of doing it.
Why did they make Greg mallory into an old woman in the show? Genuinely no reason unless one of the story writers has a thing for older women. Come to think of it, the show has a lot of sexual stuff related to old women and it’s weird
>Didn't get the kid miracleman reference
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with ennis we can only HOPE that he's a perpetual 13 year old mind in an adult body that doesn't really know what 'edgy' is but desperately wants to seem edgy.
The other option is that he's a fricking psychopath and needs to be looked into.
Those of you that don't like Ennis at all, who are your five favorite comic book writers?
Chris Claremont, Frank Miller, Jonathan Hickman, Al Ewing, Marjorie Liu.
Of these, I only like Frank Miller, though I also respect Claremont.
Not today Satan.
I'll play your game
Claremont, O'Neil, Jim Lee, Larsen, Jackie Chan-SHIT!
I despise Ennis' writing.
But I despise censors far far far more.
How the FRICK did we reach a point where both the left and right of the youngest generation are puritanical shitheads?
Superheroes are le bad for reasons Garth Ennis made up.
I mean, normally we just call a bad superhero a supervillain
It is funny how if you described this to me without context I might agree it's dumb edgy bullshit but in context, or even just knowing it's Ennis, I'm like "no it's fine"
Why does Garth Ennis even like Superman so much?
Tommy explains it in Hitman when the two of them meet.
The only thing that made me seethe about this comic is Butcher killing the crew after getting his revenge. Lord help me, I never thought he would step that low.
It's a pretty good bittersweet ending though
Is it? Butcher is a fricking butthole, he killed his so called friends after he got revenge, he killed MM his best amd most loyal friend because he didn't want to face the fact that he threatened and traumatized a 13 year old girl and pushed her away when there could have been a chance that she could fix her relationship with her father. He talks about losing Becca and Lenny and how it changed him, but he is okay if his friend loses his daughter. He does like anyone middling in his business but somehow he is willing to frick everyone around him to get what he wants.
That's the "bitter" part, yes
with great powers comes great sex
i hate that the mainstream spread of the MCU has normalized superheroes so much that people think they're sacred cows. Ennis, Moore and some of the other Brit creators were right in mocking the medium and now all these zoomers are turning on them for being "edgy"
the fricking state of this world
People who eyeroll at the edgy deconstructions aren't doing it because they think superheroes should be above being mocked. They're doing it because excessive edginess is just trite.
Amazon's Tick show still probably remains one of my favorite capeshit deconstructions and they pulled that off without it being "edgy" at all.
Those br*ts even have to make up with stuff about the superheroes for them to criticize. I guess over there they just don't get it.
To be fair, Claremont was good under strict editorial supervision. And even then, there's some really weird story choices.
The other thing is that the comics industry's already blown its load over trying to deconstruct the concept of the superhero, like, twelve times over by now.
Like, the concept of the superhero as self-interested celebrity or being willing stooges for corporate backers? Did that with Zenith, X-Force/X-Statix, Wildguard, even Spider-Man's what-if on if he stopped the robber, frankly superhero comics were chomping at the bit to dunk on reality television for a while. Superheroes as terrifying would-be dictators of the free world, already did that with Miracleman and Squadron Supreme and with far more effective commentary too. Superheroes as societal outliers who just want coin or a valid excuse to vent their urge to kill, well, the genre has a whole host of bounty hunters, monster slayers, and adventurers that it's never shied away from exposing how terrible the lifestyle is once the adrenaline drops.
All told, The Boys is outright doing nothing new with its commentary. A lot of the cliches it's trying to "subvert" have been trampled on, spat on, and fricked in the ass well before Ennis got the idea. Hell, the notion of a team of generally normal folk teaming up to kick the ass of superheroes and supervillains was already done by marvel with Code: Blue. The fact people are so willing to fellate the shit out of The Boys for how "deconstructive" it is annoys the hell out of me considering it's not deconstructing jack shit.
The thing is that not a single one of these concepts was there to be parodied to begin with. Dictators? Immoral corporate/government stooges? KIllers? Those have always been there, they're just known as "villains" by common sense. Those br*ts just manage to miss the whole point of superheroes.
Superheroes are fascists and always have been. Conceptually, the only things that make Captain America different from Hitler is the backing of a fascist state (aka the US) and a super serum (a privileging agent).
Stop it, it's not funny in these days when we can't tell that you're joking.
"Might makes right" is the core theme of a lot of superhero stories tbh
There's a pretty significant difference between recognizing that authority flows from a monopoly on violence and being a fascist.
The term fascism carries with it very specific notions of a militaristic right-wing autocracy where political opposition is violently suppressed and there exists a rigidly enforced societal hierarchy.
Fascism is a polysemic concept, no national palingenesis is necessary. Salazar's Portugal was as fascistic as Hitler's Reich. The only thing that actually defines fascism is a tendency toward repression, however you choose to delineate said repression. Since all states are repressive by virtue of their monopoly on force, all states are fascistic. Ipso facto, superheroes aligned with communities tied to nations are inherently fascistic. Superman and Captain America are "big blue fascists" (quoting Alan Moore).
>nuh uh Fascisms means nothing!
>nuh uh fascism means what -I- want it to mean!
Disagreements would suggest that it doesn't actually mean anything, yes.
>no words mean anything! language is worthless!
Please jump off a bridge
That's correct, language is arbitrary. That's been the academic consensus for fifty years now. Everything is arbitrary. You know that. Meaning is relational, relationships are transactional.
More than one person exists online.
I choose to interpret your use of language as meaning "I am a moronic homosexual please rape my face until I choke to death on gallons of spunk" in defiance of agreed definition and common usage
Okay? Good luck with that.
Lefties call anything that uses authority in a way they don't like fascist. Ennis, knowing this, had a bleeding heart lesbo call Frank a fascist.
Holy shit that's garbage. I reminds me of when the Barbie movie's 12 year old called Barbie a fascist.
God the Left ruins everything.
>God the Left ruins everything.
That's the whole theme of media.
Really? Because yesterday you said they were always woke and progressive social justice warriors
Moore plz
Why are you censoring Brits? That's a very leftie tactic.
I don't see any reason to use impolite language.
>people with all the power and zero repercussions do whatever the frick they want when they know you can't do shit and that includes the worst shit they can do to you
It's a pretty straight-forward message.
>What did Garth Ennis mean by this
Regardless of what panel from what Ennis book you posted, the answer is always JESUS FRICK I LOVE VIOLENCE AND RAPE
It's been almost 20 years and you dipshits still don't understand that the whole point of The Boys is that Butcher IS a monster. He just happens to be a monster that was weaponized to attack a specific problem. Throughout the series we see that Butcher is not above manipulation, betrayal, and genocide if it will accomplish what he wants. If you actually READ the comics especially the mini where we learn about Butcher's background you literally see that he was a mean c**t from the jump just like his father. But the thing that saves him, the thing that keeps Butcher from going too far over is his brother. Later on we see that even in adopted brotherhood (Falklands) Butcher still doesn't really care and is there simply to make some Argie more miserable a c**t than he is. Butcher of course is still prone to humanity Becky made him almost whole. And that's why Huey is brought on. Butcher knows he's like his dad, a mean miserable c**t. But he also knows (thanks to Becky) that the world doesn't need that. Butcher picks Huey to kill him because he knows Huey will do it when it comes to it. He might hate it, he might even deny and fight it, but Huey is fundamentally decent. Just like his brother. The Boys isn't just about Ennis' hate for Capes (though you don't have to really care about that if hating capes was trendy literally every Brit comic writer would be famous). It's about the fact that Ennis fundamentally believes that family can be adopted, made, betrayed and laid to rest, but it's the only thing that keeps the powerful from going bad. This is made clearer from almost every arc in The Boys. cont
Heroes are stripped from families, heroes are made worse by adopted families trying to fill that hole. Heroes KILL themselves because of a need for family. And even more funny, a family of good heroes literally causes Butcher to almost completely lose control. Because they remind Butcher that they have something he lost
The boys is a parody of american celebrities with a story tacked on. seriously i'll never understand why NOBODY ever gets this comic as the references galore it is.
No, people get what its going for. It's just that what it's going for is trite and cliche.
This comic just sounds like trash
It's not good, but it's also not that bad. A lot of the hate comes from people that have never read it beyond a few pages.
What The Boys is all about is Ennis going on about how capeshit is cringe (fair) and politics would completely tardwrangle them by appealing to their baser instincts right until these guys lose their last remaining screws, and there's actually a fairly heartfelt relationship between the main core of characters sandwiched inbetween. There's the shock value and everything, but Ennis is clearly disinterested in pursuing anything on super heroes other than "what if [X character] was a total douche instead of sometimes a douche". If you read the comic proper, any time there's a plot point actually relating to any historic war period, you'll be surprised how much they overtake the narrative and his "look at me!" antics take a backseat.
The irony is that with how many of these writers may whine and b***h about how capeshit is cringe, but they'll still take Marvel and DC's money in shitting out books based on their corporate sellout heroes. Clearly they don't hate goofy underwear comics enough to prostitute themselves out to put food on the table.
Because Ennis doesn't hate superheroes, it's just something morons like you think because you've either never read The Boys or completely failed to understand it.
Dude, please pull your head out of your ass sometime. Even I know how much Garth Ennis worships Superman
I find it funny that Ennis loved Herr Star's fate on the TV show
If Johns had given him a superman book post Old Supes return, i bet that Bendis wouldn't had fricked over Jon.
>Bendis wouldn't had fricked over
No.
Marvel reader here. No.
He absolutely would
The man has no shame nor restraint
Every superhero he writes is either a moron, a psychopath or both. If that isn't hate I don't know what is.
Well, yeah. Yeah.
>Superheroes b-buh they RAPE and KILL
So supervillains
They said the kid was captain marvel so he had to be doing superhero stuff. It's just that when he became this alter ego he committed sexual assaults. For all we know unless shown this could be rape or groping or just kissing people unwillingly. The guy may have still been a hero but the writer really just wanted to punish this kid for something as mundane as this.
Nothing mundane about nonconsensual contact, creep. You'd understand that if you had any humanity in you whatsoever.
It is the boys series we're talking about where character rape all the time everyday. It's mundane in this show and context.
conceded
The boys series is bad because its just torture gore porn. There's no substance or meaning to any of it. But people will try to put meaning to it because it's shocking.
For a torture gore porn series there's really not that much of that in it tbh.
Are you serious? Everytime I watched this show someone was being dismembered.
Never watched the show, I was talking about the comics, sorry
If somebody believes that it's "rote" or "overdone" to constantly raise the point that powerful people are liars and have the ability to rape and murder anyone they want without repercussion, I feel that has to be a red flag in itself.
They obviously feel this is is just somehow fine.
He's calling you all pussies.
Can't wait for you to find out "Chronicles of Wormwood" exists.
>The Boys was made lighter for tv
>The inevitable (I believe, dammit) Hitman adaptation will probably be darker than its source material
Monkey's paw at work
Nothing, like most of the stuff that happens in the comics. Nothing mattered at the end, supes will keep existing, corps will keep making them more loyal and powerful, Butcher killed all his friends because he is too edgy for friendship, and even then Supes where never a problem in the first place because the mighty US military had the power to easily kill all superheroes in less than 5 minutes, so what was the point? Why did "The boys" existed as a group when the state's monopoly of violence wasn't even threatened?
Homelander? The guy that apparently can survive nukes? Nah, we already had a weapon able to destroy him, also his rivalry with Butcher is completely fake, yeah I know you hate pay offs so at the very end turns out Homelander and Butcher never actually had a beef with each other because all was caused by the machinations of a mystery Black completely unrelated to these two.
All this was just an excuse to show edgy stuff with a capeshit skin, we'll also shove in messages about "family" "honour" and other stuff just do we can defend this slop when people figure all this series was completely pointless
>all was caused by the machinations of a mystery Black completely unrelated to these two.
wut
Is it wrong that I found the comic hilarious? It's weird how much hate the comic gets.
Capegays are very stuffy, petty, and miserable. They like "fun" but hate actual fun.
The book itself is okay to mediocre depending on how many cape comics you've read before, it's the weirdos who exult it or spam shit like "Garth Ennis showed you capeBlack folk what's up lololololololooooooooool" that are tiring as hell.
I always get a kick when the boys TV onlys find the source material.
I am curious has Ennis ever commented on the difference in the TV and comics? Or as long as the checks keep coming in he don't give a shit.
Every time a capeshitting zoomer seethes over Garth Ennis, he wins
Things that the series fricked over
>Actual comic tropes and the whole comic/superhero market. Instead heroes feel more like athletes
>Butcher being a menace to everyone around him
>Frenchie and Female turned into romance. I personally prefer the Father/Daughter relationship
>Stormfront in only 1 season and a massive jobber with a really unsatisfying final fight. Doesn't feel like an actual racist.
>Barely anything interesting about Vought and Vought International
>No supervillains
>Herogasm was a massive letdown (Hell at this point I'd rather if they had only mentioned it and then did a spin-off mini-series on it, it could even be an animation)
>Barely any Hero hunting from the Boys
>Noir's whole new character and character misuse
>Maeve's gay protection
>No real commentary on comic books/superhero idols/the current state of superhero media/Hell I'd sneak in some stuff shittin on Kpop and "stan" culture
>The series whole switch to current day polarized politics
I mean let's see if the 4th season ages well with the 2024 elections. I sincerely wish we had a few episodes (Or the whole of season 2) of the gang going around hunting lower tier Supes here and there.
What's Ennis get up to these days?
He made a BLM-themed horror comic. It's okay.
It be nice to get an show/comic that just loves pure classic superheroes no bullshit from anything we get now just like regular good old superhero shit.