what i dont understand is the real owner reports them stolen, they are just bits of paper right
so whoever issued them just says yeah ok this guy had xyz serial number and therefore we just cancel those ones.and then they put an ad in the financial times or something saying the bonds were stolen please nobody buy them because they have no value.
so in that sense its just supposed to be some attempt to show the viewer that this guy is some extremely super clever supervillain who understands how bonds and things work and how to use them for profit and therefore he must be a genious.
>bearer bonds >Bearer bonds are bonds that have no registration. These bonds are issued by companies or governments and sold to investors to raise money. The owner (bearer) of the bond certificate is the recipient of the bond's payments and the bond value at maturity.
>The owner (bearer) of the bond certificate is the recipient of the bond's payments
for real, how does that work? you have to physically bring the bonds somewhere every year to collect the coupon?
>I’m such a patriot that I will kill dozens if not hundreds of my own countrymen to rescue a foreign criminal kingpin and flee with him to a non extradition country where I can live off of drug money
His motive made the least sense
It made more sense in Heat because the bonds were stolen from a criminal financier (van Sant), who wasn't going to reporting them stolen anytime soon. A legitimate company would simply trace the stolen serial numbers and be there with the cops when you walk into a bank.
>They're not outlawed and still legal tender
The are outlowed (illegal to issue in united states) and are not legal tender - no bank has to redeem them. The only way to redeem old ones issued before the 1982 ban is by submitting them to the government.
Bearer bonds do not have serial numbers or any other unique identifying marks. The person bearing them is presumed to be the owner and does not require proof.
They DO have serial numbers and the issuer can report them stolen if they are aware of a theft, which makes it risky for anyone to walk into a bank and collect those interest payments. That's why Neil's first plan is to just sell them back to Van Zant and let him make a claim on his insurance so everyone makes out. Van Zant just took it too personally. The advantage of anonymity and direct ownership was mainly used by money launderers and people moving cash around for tax evasion purposes.
How does that make sense then. If you sell them to someone and report them stolen you could abuse the system.
Bearer bonds work because just having the bond makes it authentic. If you stole them all you had to do was sell them to someone else for half the value or whatever and they'd be able to cash them in
Bearer bonds do not have serial numbers or any other unique identifying marks. The person bearing them is presumed to be the owner and does not require proof.
Why was Simon willing to blow up multiple public places full of innocent civilians but yet spare this banker guy by using a tranquilizer gun on him instead?
Its possible that this guy may have been needed to access parts of the vault so they left him alive but incapacitated. As opposed to the security guards, which they killed.
negotiate them
>negotiate them
with extreme prejudice
Sit on a beach and earn 20%
Was Gruber gay? Something was off when he said this line: .
sell them off to the next sucker.
They were non-negotiable. I'm not going to explain that to a moron like you. I'm just not.
Is similar to being non-fungible? Was Hans Gruber a funger?
He was no a fricking chanterelle, was he?
She fungled my bonds until I grubered.
KEEEEEK
what i dont understand is the real owner reports them stolen, they are just bits of paper right
so whoever issued them just says yeah ok this guy had xyz serial number and therefore we just cancel those ones.and then they put an ad in the financial times or something saying the bonds were stolen please nobody buy them because they have no value.
so in that sense its just supposed to be some attempt to show the viewer that this guy is some extremely super clever supervillain who understands how bonds and things work and how to use them for profit and therefore he must be a genious.
>bearer bonds
>Bearer bonds are bonds that have no registration. These bonds are issued by companies or governments and sold to investors to raise money. The owner (bearer) of the bond certificate is the recipient of the bond's payments and the bond value at maturity.
>The owner (bearer) of the bond certificate is the recipient of the bond's payments
for real, how does that work? you have to physically bring the bonds somewhere every year to collect the coupon?
He asked for "negotiable bear palms".
The $640 in negotiable bearer bonds was just a misdirection. The real goal was to free the nine members of the Asian Dawn.
This, OP missed the subtext. Gruber was a true believer.
and give everyone Helsinki Syndrome.
Whatever he was going to do, Colonel Stuart was going to do better. Absolutely mogs this British fruit as a villain.
who?
van zant, dead man on the other end of the fricking line
>I’m such a patriot that I will kill dozens if not hundreds of my own countrymen to rescue a foreign criminal kingpin and flee with him to a non extradition country where I can live off of drug money
His motive made the least sense
Fully fund the Asian Dawn
It made more sense in Heat because the bonds were stolen from a criminal financier (van Sant), who wasn't going to reporting them stolen anytime soon. A legitimate company would simply trace the stolen serial numbers and be there with the cops when you walk into a bank.
They were untraceable that's why drug empires used them and they outlawed them.
>and they outlawed them
They're not outlawed and still legal tender
They just don't produce them anymore because reasons and shit
>They're not outlawed and still legal tender
The are outlowed (illegal to issue in united states) and are not legal tender - no bank has to redeem them. The only way to redeem old ones issued before the 1982 ban is by submitting them to the government.
They DO have serial numbers and the issuer can report them stolen if they are aware of a theft, which makes it risky for anyone to walk into a bank and collect those interest payments. That's why Neil's first plan is to just sell them back to Van Zant and let him make a claim on his insurance so everyone makes out. Van Zant just took it too personally. The advantage of anonymity and direct ownership was mainly used by money launderers and people moving cash around for tax evasion purposes.
How does that make sense then. If you sell them to someone and report them stolen you could abuse the system.
Bearer bonds work because just having the bond makes it authentic. If you stole them all you had to do was sell them to someone else for half the value or whatever and they'd be able to cash them in
Bearer bonds do not have serial numbers or any other unique identifying marks. The person bearing them is presumed to be the owner and does not require proof.
Why do the israelites...I mean the US government hate untraceable money anymore?
Use it in the Ohtani sweepstakes?
Sell them to a fence they had lined up for 20%. $128 million is still a lot of money. Equivalent of $332 million today.
G-d I fricking HATE zoomers
something economic
cant you see he must be smart wearing that suit?
Why was Simon willing to blow up multiple public places full of innocent civilians but yet spare this banker guy by using a tranquilizer gun on him instead?
Its possible that this guy may have been needed to access parts of the vault so they left him alive but incapacitated. As opposed to the security guards, which they killed.