All three are on different dimension, TLm may make a loss but it will be minimal, got3 definitly turned a profit, light year was so catastrophic it may have been more profitable to disney to put it directly on disney+ as it didn't make its marketing budget back in theatres.
>TLm may make a loss but it will be minimal >minimal >at least 9 figures >minimal
It needs to make twice its production budget plus its marketing budget (theatres take roughly 50% of ticket sales, remember) to even THINK about breaking even.
Bullshit, it needs to make 2.5 by convetional standard. You could even go as low as 2.25 as it's domestic heavy:
https://deadline.com/2023/05/little-mermaid-box-office-profit-loss-halle-bailey-1235383099/
Box office isn't the only way a movie makes money, post theatre there are streaming rights and rentals. TLM only needs to make about 560 million to turn a profit, which it will likely exceed (it's at 500) or get near enough for it not to be catastrophic.
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Sure. 2.5 times $250 million is STILL $625 million. As for post-theatre stuff, there's no physical market anymore worth mentioning and Disney only licenses to D+ (which is one of the reasons why D+ is $12 billion in the hole and they're getting sued for using it to hide losses). Merch *might* make some of that back, but given how poorly that's going right now, it's still 9 figures in the red.
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There is rentals before disney+, thor 4 made 140 million on that, wakanda forever 155
https://deadline.com/2023/04/black-panther-wakanda-forever-box-office-profits-1235320190/
Then there is the added value on disney+ as it will attract some subscription and retain some. Disney could even go as far as selling it to another streaming service in the future which would probably buy it at the same price. Maybe the value given to it on disney+ is too much bu it is definitly not zero.
People were saying the same about animated movies until Mario and Minions proved them wrong. It's not about pre an post covid, it's just that the new movies are shit and no one wants to watch them. Also, Spiderverse did great on a fraction of GotG budget, and it is capeshit.
Mario and Minions are outliers. Movies are mostly shit I agree, but the pandemic was also part of the reason why cgi, writing, acting all got worse : Hollywood cut corners. Spider-verse is another such outlier and also a movie for children/YA like Minions and Mario, the capeshit factor is an additional aspect
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My point is that people are ready to watch movies if they aren't dogshit. And MCU already had Spider-Man and Strange post-covid which were huge successes. Their 2023 slate did worse than its predecessors because people weren't interested in them specifically as opposed to not wanting to go to not being interested in attending a theater at all. You can't just say "outlier, outlier" every time you're pointed to a huge success. At some point you just gotta admit that the movies do not sell because they're bad.
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I agree. Movies are flopping/underperforming bc they suck in form and content.
At the same time, theaters haven't gone back to pre-covid times bc many closed down. It's a matter of Hollywwod restablishing credibility mostly
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>everything's an outlier
No, tons of movies did fine. It's the crappy woke ones that generally shit the bed.
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Woke creeps managed to tank The Flash despite it being about as good as most other capeshit
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>despite it being about as good as most other capeshit
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Post-covid, every major box office hit since IS an outlier, particularly this year which has been disastrous for Hollywood, and the woke nonsense you correctly mention is one of the reasons why so many movies are flopping
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>Post-covid, every major box office hit since IS an outlier
You're literally a Disney exec coping badly.
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I fricking hate current-day Disney and its flops are the result of its incompetence.
That said, go ahead and try to refute what I said re:box office in general post covid
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Way too many movies are doing wonderfully to claim they're outliers.
People are simply fed up with the constant woke crap.
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Compare their box office to the pre-covid climate. >People are simply fed up with the constant woke crap.
True. Both these aspects coexist.
Because it's performance was underwhelming relative to the fact that it's an established capeshit franchise and trilogy finale so it presumably should have easily done better than the second instalment in that trilogy. It's grouped up with Little Mermaid and Lightyear because it's part of an endemic problem.
>Phase 4
It was fricking over when they started labeling this constant never ending stream of soulless dog shit like this. Just an in your face reminder it's nothing more than a product to be consumed without much thought or creativity behind it >yooo marvel phase 8 let's gooo!
Frick off already
That used to be fine to wrap up a fricking TRILOGY (lucky if you ever got a sequel) but I guess in the age of unlimited sequels and zero creativity, ending your franchise on a high note is a bad thing.
How long until they start rebooting this shit they literally just released?
It did decently, but you got to take into account it's also the end of a trilogy, so whatever success it had, will not translate to any possible sequel.
Pics' choice was amateurish as it implies GotG was a flop as TLM and Lightyear were.
Journalism is so often cringe these days
That's beside the point, particularly in 2023
Kek if even Cinemaphile calls you out you know you're full of shit. The article is based on a youtuber who resort to funny numbers. His conclusion is that GOTG3 wasn't profitable because post theatratical profit aren't a thing. That's how he gets to 1 billion loss for disney... which is BS.
We learned that white male leads are bad for business
We learned audiences want diversity and more LGBTQ+, representation
We learned that woke sells
And we learned that anyone who opposes this is just a racist, a nazi, an incel, or a Russian bot
The Little Mermaid cost 250 mil plus (lowballing it) 140 for publicity. It took a literal MONTH to reach 500 mil, half of which at least will stay with the theaters. Do the math.
60% of that money stays with the theatres >put 250m into film >add another 100 mil for marketing >make 500mil >split the earnings with the threatres >SurprisedPikachu.jpeg
>Spend $250mil on the movie's budget >Spend $140mil on marketing >$390mil in the hole >1 month in theatres and it only makes $500mil >On the low end, %40 of that is going to theatres >%40 = 200mil >In the hole $90mil
What aren't you getting about this?
Don't forget the interests and the opportunity cost of what that mney would have given you in the bank or another investment.
If you park 500 million for 2 years and you break even, you still lost what that money should have made you in those 2 years.
>Spend $250mil on the movie's budget >Spend $140mil on marketing >$390mil in the hole >1 month in theatres and it only makes $500mil >On the low end, %40 of that is going to theatres >%40 = 200mil >In the hole $90mil
>detailed animal CG
quite expensive >underwater CG
very expensive >period costumes
more expensive than people imagine >filiming at the sea/beach/coast
expensive as hell
>use imagination to make up figures >fumble the math on your own made up figures
You deserve the hell youve created, literally fabricated, for yourself. And by the way, we're coming for your children
The Little Mermaid cost 250 mil plus (lowballing it) 140 for publicity. It took a literal MONTH to reach 500 mil, half of which at least will stay with the theaters. Do the math.
>What aren't you getting about this?
How the frick did that thing cost 250mil to make.
>Pay cast >Pay crew >Pay VFX people to make a darkie "swim" >Pay equipment >Pay to fly people out to locations
shit adds up you fricking moron
remember that part of that 500 million it "made" was disney paying for it
There's that. Disney probably twisted the numbers even more this past weekend bc the movie was sitting at 477 on Fri and suddenly "reached" 500 mil on Sun, they wanted to avoid it being more than a month under 500 but nothing can salvage The Little Mermaid, it's a fiasco
They're constantly fudging numbers like this. Watch them pad the numbers as legitimate ticket sales for that new Indiana Jones with the free Applebee's coupons even though that shit is going right into the trash with the remains of your bloomin onion.
Exactly. Captain Marvel for instance was most likely a flop that they tried to cover up. Likewise WB w/ the Flash's blatantly manipulative "buy one win one" thing
>Captain Marvel for instance was most likely a flop that
If the sequel flops will you guys give up on this? It's much more likely that people saw it because they thought it was important for Endgame. Infinity War's after credit scene was for her
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Sequel has been "postponed" over and over. That tells you everything you need to know about the 1st one real box office performance
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Don't look up how many times Ava2ar was postponed.
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>Infinity War's after credit scene was for her
Worse part of the movie by far
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Captain Marvel is one film where they would almost certainly lie about the numbers, they where buying Fox entertainment at the time for over 71 billion and a lot of that was in shares. If Captain Marvel underperformed and lowered their share price, that cost would have extended far beyond the movie itself.
>Disney probably twisted the numbers even more this past weekend bc the movie was sitting at 477 on Fri and suddenly "reached" 500 mil on Sun
I love a conspiracy as much as the next Cinemaphile poster but Box Office Mojo updates the foreign numbers weekly. So that's why you saw a slight jump. That's still frick all for the rest of the worlds entire weekly take anyway
CGI is hilariously overpriced and I'm not convinced 90% of it isnt laundering and changing hands behind the scenes. Inflate it so high and then when it """""flops""""" you can write it off and get some of that money back too. If not I can only imagine the cope behind the scenes after the out of touch executives pitch flop after flop to a board of investors. Pic related
This is why businesses that hire liberals and trannies will inevitably go bankrupt, these morons have no idea how to run a business, which isn't surprising when you realize they are all communists.
Any money they make is real, but any money they lose is not real.
They are being propped up and bailed out by Blackrock and Vanguard. Privatized profits, socialized losses.
Also, these people just print money out of thin air, they make millions or billions with just a few keystrokes, it's not even physical cash, just digits in a computer.
It's impossible to drain their war chest, they're playing with imaginary money. As long as people treat it like it's real, their power is infinite.
The worst thing about ESG investment is not even the fact that entertainment is going down the shitter with ideological casting/storylines, but that it’s another subprime mortgage crisis in the making.
LOVE HOW YOU GUYS FORGET THAT THESE PRODUCERS PAY THEMSELVES MILLIONS FROM THE BUDGET SO THEY'RE ALREADY MILLIONS UP AND THEN WHEN THE FILM FAILS TO """BREAK EVEN""" THEY CAN WRITE IT OFF AS A LOSS ITS CALLED HOLLYWOOD ACCOUNTING AND IT MAKES THEM MILLIONS WHY TF WOULD THEY KEEP DOING IT YEAR IN YEAR OUT THEY CANT LOSE YOU ARE CELEBRATING THEIR ETERNAL VICTORY
Right but where do those millions come from
Investors, shareholders
And if the money line goes down to the tune of a billion dollars you get a lot less investment
You can't write off a loss. Even Germans and Australians long ago closed that loophole. Disney just farms the losses to their investors (mostly pensioners).
Do you know why disney+ is not making any profit? Because it pays disney 100 million dollars every time a new disney movie is brought on the platform. I shit you not. There is a reason the saying hollywood accounting came to be.
Yes. But they can't write off losses. Hollywood accounting hides profit from participants, but no participant is dumb enough to get taken that way anymore. It's effectiveness now is exploiting tax laws (hence why companies like Apple are housed in Ireland and do precisely what you described - have their subsidiaries pay exhorbitant sums back to them).
There are of course just flat out hilarious scammers and money launderers like old MGM and certain action film producers based in places like Eastern Europe. >Really homie? Your Bel Air Mansion is a production office now?
Holy shit I completely forgot that just go released. So many of these movies just go into a black hole of forgottenness after they get released, it's crazy
how does the loss affect the actual shareholders or other people with money invested. Do they just not profit as much or do they flat out acquire debt? Obviously the crews writers actors and everyone already got paid.
im pretty shocked with the Flash's performance, I really liked the multiple batmans aswell as old characters returning alongside multiple flashes. I'm a big DC fan though and I didn't see it because I'm saving my money for Oppenheimer
after all these marvel failures, pixar failures, the nu wars faiures, indy 5 trailer's horrible reaction and kathleen is stronger than ever
the force really is female
it's not even that they don't make money, they just spend absolutely wicked amounts on them
how the frick do you expect to turn a profit if you spend over 100 million on shittiest looking movies ever made?
even if the movies were good they would still be failures just because of how expensive they make everything, where does this money even go? they dont look as good, the plots arent as good, the voice actors/actors arent any better than in the past and yet every movie they make is 100 times more expensive than in the past
what costs so much money? it doesn't make any sense
someone needs to investigate where all those budgets go
>where does this money even go?
Disney studios has the largest team of turd polishers in Hollywood. They take the shitty script, and polish it up with $200 million worth of CGI (Little Mermaid excluded) and $100 million worth of orchestrated soundtrack, and polish that turd even more with $100 million of professional editing, and then package it with $200 million worth of glitzy marketing campaigns. But all that polishing was in service of a great big piece of shit that no one wanted in the first place, but boy look at how sparkly it is, the goyim will never know.
Nothing, Bob Iger has been CEO for the last 20 years, movies have been getting ever woker. But conservative love to resort to the old "w-well this time it is not the same! Th-they're going too far!!!" it's the same, worst they indeed are going to far, but it would be better to say they are going too fast, sure audience do not swallow it today, in 10 they will be asking for it.
Time was even if the film didn't do that well in cinemas then the money would be made back on DVD/Bluray sales or online rentals.
Then came streaming and "premuim rentals". For the price of 2 cinema tickets a month you could watch as many films as you wanted, so in one go you've lost half the revenue of a family of 4 going to the cinema once a month. For Disney , whose whole thing is family films then you can see the problem already. But unless you come from a family of twats obviously you're going to take your family to the cinema 2 or 3 times a month so thats even more money lost. Single men used to go to the cinema at least once a week (unless they were twats into sportsball or something gay like that) so again thats half the money lost if they are at home streaming.
Premium rentals started during the pandemic and were a failure, but had serious knock on effects for the industry. Nobody was going to pay more than the price of a Bluray or a whole month streaming subscription to see a film maybe once, just a few weeks before everyone else. What the fact that hardly anyone bought into it did though was push more people to streaming and made films that should have released in cinemas go straight to streaming, or have the cinema release window cut to entice more people to the streaming service which seemed to be the only thing growing in revenue. Encanto was in cinemas for 2 weeks in some countries before it hit Disney +, why would you go to the cinema then if you were already a D+ subscriber?
Disney are learning some lessons by extending the time before films go to D+after their cinema release, but its already in peoples heads it will be on D+ quickly and it will take a while for most people to realise thats not the case anymore.
One reason why Avatar 2 made such good bank (and actually wipes out the $900 million loss) is that it was quite clear about the fact that it wasn't coming to streaming for at least 6 months, so cheep ass plebs could wait.
Guardians did well though?
>Guardians did well though?
Not as well as older Guardians.
Pics' choice was amateurish as it implies GotG was a flop as TLM and Lightyear were.
Journalism is so often cringe these days
That's beside the point, particularly in 2023
All three are on different dimension, TLm may make a loss but it will be minimal, got3 definitly turned a profit, light year was so catastrophic it may have been more profitable to disney to put it directly on disney+ as it didn't make its marketing budget back in theatres.
>TLm may make a loss but it will be minimal
>minimal
>at least 9 figures
>minimal
It needs to make twice its production budget plus its marketing budget (theatres take roughly 50% of ticket sales, remember) to even THINK about breaking even.
Bullshit, it needs to make 2.5 by convetional standard. You could even go as low as 2.25 as it's domestic heavy:
https://deadline.com/2023/05/little-mermaid-box-office-profit-loss-halle-bailey-1235383099/
Box office isn't the only way a movie makes money, post theatre there are streaming rights and rentals. TLM only needs to make about 560 million to turn a profit, which it will likely exceed (it's at 500) or get near enough for it not to be catastrophic.
Sure. 2.5 times $250 million is STILL $625 million. As for post-theatre stuff, there's no physical market anymore worth mentioning and Disney only licenses to D+ (which is one of the reasons why D+ is $12 billion in the hole and they're getting sued for using it to hide losses). Merch *might* make some of that back, but given how poorly that's going right now, it's still 9 figures in the red.
There is rentals before disney+, thor 4 made 140 million on that, wakanda forever 155
https://deadline.com/2023/04/black-panther-wakanda-forever-box-office-profits-1235320190/
Then there is the added value on disney+ as it will attract some subscription and retain some. Disney could even go as far as selling it to another streaming service in the future which would probably buy it at the same price. Maybe the value given to it on disney+ is too much bu it is definitly not zero.
Rough gist: people don't wanna PAY to be LECTURED. They could be more sneaky with making points.
Less than Aquaman in 2019, it's over
Pre and after covid are different universes. GotG was the only 2023 capeshit that hasn't flopped/bombed.
People were saying the same about animated movies until Mario and Minions proved them wrong. It's not about pre an post covid, it's just that the new movies are shit and no one wants to watch them. Also, Spiderverse did great on a fraction of GotG budget, and it is capeshit.
Mario and Minions are outliers. Movies are mostly shit I agree, but the pandemic was also part of the reason why cgi, writing, acting all got worse : Hollywood cut corners. Spider-verse is another such outlier and also a movie for children/YA like Minions and Mario, the capeshit factor is an additional aspect
My point is that people are ready to watch movies if they aren't dogshit. And MCU already had Spider-Man and Strange post-covid which were huge successes. Their 2023 slate did worse than its predecessors because people weren't interested in them specifically as opposed to not wanting to go to not being interested in attending a theater at all. You can't just say "outlier, outlier" every time you're pointed to a huge success. At some point you just gotta admit that the movies do not sell because they're bad.
I agree. Movies are flopping/underperforming bc they suck in form and content.
At the same time, theaters haven't gone back to pre-covid times bc many closed down. It's a matter of Hollywwod restablishing credibility mostly
>everything's an outlier
No, tons of movies did fine. It's the crappy woke ones that generally shit the bed.
Woke creeps managed to tank The Flash despite it being about as good as most other capeshit
>despite it being about as good as most other capeshit
Post-covid, every major box office hit since IS an outlier, particularly this year which has been disastrous for Hollywood, and the woke nonsense you correctly mention is one of the reasons why so many movies are flopping
>Post-covid, every major box office hit since IS an outlier
You're literally a Disney exec coping badly.
I fricking hate current-day Disney and its flops are the result of its incompetence.
That said, go ahead and try to refute what I said re:box office in general post covid
Way too many movies are doing wonderfully to claim they're outliers.
People are simply fed up with the constant woke crap.
Compare their box office to the pre-covid climate.
>People are simply fed up with the constant woke crap.
True. Both these aspects coexist.
>Always ignoring Spider-man
Every Spider-Man movie before then did less than Aquaman
According to Wikipedia it made more than the first and only slightly less than the second though.
>Wikipedia
Wikipedia doesn’t adjust for inflation because that site is run by corporate shills, brainwashed idiots, and IAs
Point is, it did way better than Lightyear or LM, why put it next to them.
Because it's performance was underwhelming relative to the fact that it's an established capeshit franchise and trilogy finale so it presumably should have easily done better than the second instalment in that trilogy. It's grouped up with Little Mermaid and Lightyear because it's part of an endemic problem.
Phase 4 and Antman hurt them, the same way that the MCU boosted Black Panther and Captain Marvel
>Phase 4
It was fricking over when they started labeling this constant never ending stream of soulless dog shit like this. Just an in your face reminder it's nothing more than a product to be consumed without much thought or creativity behind it
>yooo marvel phase 8 let's gooo!
Frick off already
No. It didn't flop but performed less than the second one despite record inflation between the movies driving the value of money down.
That used to be fine to wrap up a fricking TRILOGY (lucky if you ever got a sequel) but I guess in the age of unlimited sequels and zero creativity, ending your franchise on a high note is a bad thing.
How long until they start rebooting this shit they literally just released?
It did decently, but you got to take into account it's also the end of a trilogy, so whatever success it had, will not translate to any possible sequel.
Gunn doesn't like comic book fans or having men to watch his movies
kek. they hate pratt so much they put him in with the failures, even though his the only one making money.
Kek if even Cinemaphile calls you out you know you're full of shit. The article is based on a youtuber who resort to funny numbers. His conclusion is that GOTG3 wasn't profitable because post theatratical profit aren't a thing. That's how he gets to 1 billion loss for disney... which is BS.
We learned that white male leads are bad for business
We learned audiences want diversity and more LGBTQ+, representation
We learned that woke sells
And we learned that anyone who opposes this is just a racist, a nazi, an incel, or a Russian bot
90% of the top movies in 2022 were led by White Males. 2023 is going to be the same. And I assume your post is b8.
Actually, 4/10 were led by non-humans.
>Non-humans
Meds. Fast.
>make 500million
>"flop"
The Little Mermaid cost 250 mil plus (lowballing it) 140 for publicity. It took a literal MONTH to reach 500 mil, half of which at least will stay with the theaters. Do the math.
Since it didn't break even, yes
That's what happens when you balloon costs for your movies to ridiculous proportions.
60% of that money stays with the theatres
>put 250m into film
>add another 100 mil for marketing
>make 500mil
>split the earnings with the threatres
>SurprisedPikachu.jpeg
How much did they spend on Cinemaphile shills?
$0.00
What do you mean? Surely they don't do it for free?
Don't forget the interests and the opportunity cost of what that mney would have given you in the bank or another investment.
If you park 500 million for 2 years and you break even, you still lost what that money should have made you in those 2 years.
>Spend $250mil on the movie's budget
>Spend $140mil on marketing
>$390mil in the hole
>1 month in theatres and it only makes $500mil
>On the low end, %40 of that is going to theatres
>%40 = 200mil
>In the hole $90mil
What aren't you getting about this?
>What aren't you getting about this?
How the frick did that thing cost 250mil to make.
>Pay cast
>Pay crew
>Pay VFX people to make a darkie "swim"
>Pay equipment
>Pay to fly people out to locations
shit adds up you fricking moron
These movies have thousands of people working on them
inflated Hollywood budget.
It's like weddings; Cake for a birthday costs $100, same Cake for a wedding costs $1300.
Ok I'll give you that one
almost the entire thing is CGI or have expensive CGI shit on it
>detailed animal CG
quite expensive
>underwater CG
very expensive
>period costumes
more expensive than people imagine
>filiming at the sea/beach/coast
expensive as hell
costumes
>more expensive than people imagine
really REALLY shitty costume like from a middle school play of tailoring.
That's the question everyone should be asking.
What about pic related?
>100 million
>use imagination to make up figures
>fumble the math on your own made up figures
You deserve the hell youve created, literally fabricated, for yourself. And by the way, we're coming for your children
remember that part of that 500 million it "made" was disney paying for it
There's that. Disney probably twisted the numbers even more this past weekend bc the movie was sitting at 477 on Fri and suddenly "reached" 500 mil on Sun, they wanted to avoid it being more than a month under 500 but nothing can salvage The Little Mermaid, it's a fiasco
They're constantly fudging numbers like this. Watch them pad the numbers as legitimate ticket sales for that new Indiana Jones with the free Applebee's coupons even though that shit is going right into the trash with the remains of your bloomin onion.
Exactly. Captain Marvel for instance was most likely a flop that they tried to cover up. Likewise WB w/ the Flash's blatantly manipulative "buy one win one" thing
>Captain Marvel for instance was most likely a flop that
If the sequel flops will you guys give up on this? It's much more likely that people saw it because they thought it was important for Endgame. Infinity War's after credit scene was for her
Sequel has been "postponed" over and over. That tells you everything you need to know about the 1st one real box office performance
Don't look up how many times Ava2ar was postponed.
>Infinity War's after credit scene was for her
Worse part of the movie by far
Captain Marvel is one film where they would almost certainly lie about the numbers, they where buying Fox entertainment at the time for over 71 billion and a lot of that was in shares. If Captain Marvel underperformed and lowered their share price, that cost would have extended far beyond the movie itself.
>Disney probably twisted the numbers even more this past weekend bc the movie was sitting at 477 on Fri and suddenly "reached" 500 mil on Sun
I love a conspiracy as much as the next Cinemaphile poster but Box Office Mojo updates the foreign numbers weekly. So that's why you saw a slight jump. That's still frick all for the rest of the worlds entire weekly take anyway
USD 23 mil in 48-72h for a movie that was struggling at the box office is more than a slight jump though
CGI is hilariously overpriced and I'm not convinced 90% of it isnt laundering and changing hands behind the scenes. Inflate it so high and then when it """""flops""""" you can write it off and get some of that money back too. If not I can only imagine the cope behind the scenes after the out of touch executives pitch flop after flop to a board of investors. Pic related
This is why businesses that hire liberals and trannies will inevitably go bankrupt, these morons have no idea how to run a business, which isn't surprising when you realize they are all communists.
Americans are moronic bro
>communist doesn't understand investments and returns
It's hillarious considering that muh planned economy is your thing.
>its another episode of anon thinking movies don't cost money and that people are good with investing 300M to get 301M
>troony doesn't understand basic math and finance
take out of this amount the marketing and 50% that goes to the movie theater owners
Any money they make is real, but any money they lose is not real.
They are being propped up and bailed out by Blackrock and Vanguard. Privatized profits, socialized losses.
Also, these people just print money out of thin air, they make millions or billions with just a few keystrokes, it's not even physical cash, just digits in a computer.
It's impossible to drain their war chest, they're playing with imaginary money. As long as people treat it like it's real, their power is infinite.
Bubbles burst
The worst thing about ESG investment is not even the fact that entertainment is going down the shitter with ideological casting/storylines, but that it’s another subprime mortgage crisis in the making.
Exactly. It's crashing eventually because that's the inherent nature of life: cycles.
That isn't how fund managers work.
Bernie lost.
Step 1: investment firm buys Disney stock from people who are selling their Disney stock
Step 2: Disney has more money
Doesn't matter since they got 500 gorrillion dollars from blackrock
I just want the Disney from the 90s back
LOVE HOW YOU GUYS FORGET THAT THESE PRODUCERS PAY THEMSELVES MILLIONS FROM THE BUDGET SO THEY'RE ALREADY MILLIONS UP AND THEN WHEN THE FILM FAILS TO """BREAK EVEN""" THEY CAN WRITE IT OFF AS A LOSS ITS CALLED HOLLYWOOD ACCOUNTING AND IT MAKES THEM MILLIONS WHY TF WOULD THEY KEEP DOING IT YEAR IN YEAR OUT THEY CANT LOSE YOU ARE CELEBRATING THEIR ETERNAL VICTORY
i dont buy it
Right but where do those millions come from
Investors, shareholders
And if the money line goes down to the tune of a billion dollars you get a lot less investment
You can't write off a loss. Even Germans and Australians long ago closed that loophole. Disney just farms the losses to their investors (mostly pensioners).
Do you know why disney+ is not making any profit? Because it pays disney 100 million dollars every time a new disney movie is brought on the platform. I shit you not. There is a reason the saying hollywood accounting came to be.
Yes. But they can't write off losses. Hollywood accounting hides profit from participants, but no participant is dumb enough to get taken that way anymore. It's effectiveness now is exploiting tax laws (hence why companies like Apple are housed in Ireland and do precisely what you described - have their subsidiaries pay exhorbitant sums back to them).
There are of course just flat out hilarious scammers and money launderers like old MGM and certain action film producers based in places like Eastern Europe.
>Really homie? Your Bel Air Mansion is a production office now?
And when you write it off as a loss, what does that do? Do you get a 200% tax rebate?
Making a loss lowers your taxes, but corporation tax is only 20%. You get back 20% of the money you've lost. You can't use it to make money.
Remember Peter Pan and Wendy?
Holy shit I completely forgot that just go released. So many of these movies just go into a black hole of forgottenness after they get released, it's crazy
how does the loss affect the actual shareholders or other people with money invested. Do they just not profit as much or do they flat out acquire debt? Obviously the crews writers actors and everyone already got paid.
Disney is being sued by its investors right now. They lost beaucoup money
the investors option is to sue? they don't have a different course of action?
Like what? Ask nicely for their money back? They claim that Disney lied to them when they said this garbage would be profitable
Go woke, go broke
That you and those like you are easily manipulated into caring about the stupidest shit. Get a fricking life.
You care enough to post here.
Loser.
im pretty shocked with the Flash's performance, I really liked the multiple batmans aswell as old characters returning alongside multiple flashes. I'm a big DC fan though and I didn't see it because I'm saving my money for Oppenheimer
Perfect. Well played my friend
after all these marvel failures, pixar failures, the nu wars faiures, indy 5 trailer's horrible reaction and kathleen is stronger than ever
the force really is female
Who gets sold if they decide to trim?
it's not even that they don't make money, they just spend absolutely wicked amounts on them
how the frick do you expect to turn a profit if you spend over 100 million on shittiest looking movies ever made?
even if the movies were good they would still be failures just because of how expensive they make everything, where does this money even go? they dont look as good, the plots arent as good, the voice actors/actors arent any better than in the past and yet every movie they make is 100 times more expensive than in the past
what costs so much money? it doesn't make any sense
someone needs to investigate where all those budgets go
>where does this money even go?
Disney studios has the largest team of turd polishers in Hollywood. They take the shitty script, and polish it up with $200 million worth of CGI (Little Mermaid excluded) and $100 million worth of orchestrated soundtrack, and polish that turd even more with $100 million of professional editing, and then package it with $200 million worth of glitzy marketing campaigns. But all that polishing was in service of a great big piece of shit that no one wanted in the first place, but boy look at how sparkly it is, the goyim will never know.
thats a pretty big tax write off
Frick trannies
Frick israelites
Frick Black folk
Frick Disney
Push your cultural Marxism elsewhere Yidsney.
>What did we learn?
the free lunch is over
maybe they'll start putting some effort in now
I hope Disney and Hollywood fricking die. But we all know the government would bail them out. israelites helping israelites.
Nada. De fricking nada.
I feel bad for Pixar. Because Disney is stagnating, they’re going to take down all of the studios they own. I thought Elemental was cute.
Guardians lost money?
I wonder what’s changed at Disney in the last 5 or so years that has made them start seeing all these failures.
Nothing, Bob Iger has been CEO for the last 20 years, movies have been getting ever woker. But conservative love to resort to the old "w-well this time it is not the same! Th-they're going too far!!!" it's the same, worst they indeed are going to far, but it would be better to say they are going too fast, sure audience do not swallow it today, in 10 they will be asking for it.
Time was even if the film didn't do that well in cinemas then the money would be made back on DVD/Bluray sales or online rentals.
Then came streaming and "premuim rentals". For the price of 2 cinema tickets a month you could watch as many films as you wanted, so in one go you've lost half the revenue of a family of 4 going to the cinema once a month. For Disney , whose whole thing is family films then you can see the problem already. But unless you come from a family of twats obviously you're going to take your family to the cinema 2 or 3 times a month so thats even more money lost. Single men used to go to the cinema at least once a week (unless they were twats into sportsball or something gay like that) so again thats half the money lost if they are at home streaming.
Premium rentals started during the pandemic and were a failure, but had serious knock on effects for the industry. Nobody was going to pay more than the price of a Bluray or a whole month streaming subscription to see a film maybe once, just a few weeks before everyone else. What the fact that hardly anyone bought into it did though was push more people to streaming and made films that should have released in cinemas go straight to streaming, or have the cinema release window cut to entice more people to the streaming service which seemed to be the only thing growing in revenue. Encanto was in cinemas for 2 weeks in some countries before it hit Disney +, why would you go to the cinema then if you were already a D+ subscriber?
Disney are learning some lessons by extending the time before films go to D+after their cinema release, but its already in peoples heads it will be on D+ quickly and it will take a while for most people to realise thats not the case anymore.
One reason why Avatar 2 made such good bank (and actually wipes out the $900 million loss) is that it was quite clear about the fact that it wasn't coming to streaming for at least 6 months, so cheep ass plebs could wait.
Black folk can't swim?