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Did this crossover blow up Cinemaphile at the time? Like with shitposting
Nope
What are times the board blew up? Last I remember was the fly/chipmunk cucking. I don't think Paul broke the board.
the buttlering was the last time this board went breasts up before the gadget thing
Spoonfeed me the buttlering? I was exclusively Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile for most of a decade
Any screencaps of the meltdown?
Some things are best left unread.
When Jon Kent turned gay.
The writing's awful.
>Some things are best left unread.
Like 99.9999% of modern comic books.
No because delays killed it
Cinemaphile already had the communal funeral for watchmen during the Before Watchmen days, no energy left to even pretend to give a shit anymore.
I guess thats because when Before was published you had good comics to compare. But i found that Before was not bad. You could argue it had it ups and downs but overall a good read.
Before Watchmen is completely mediocre and it's made even worse when compared to such a tight and well crafted comic like the original. And no, I'm not going to judge them as their own thing. They're prequels that don't even work without knowledge of the source material, it's impossible to divorce them.
Mediocre? Minute Men and Silk Spectre are good. And surprisingly Dollar Bill and Moloch are well done.
>Minute Men
It was okay, one of Cooke's weaker offerings for sure
>Silk Spectre
less okay
>Dollar Bill and Moloch
incredibly overrated
Mediocre is still the perfect description for the entire endeavor.
I think it was better than that. But i can understand that you feel it so.
Well I won't
Biased gay
What is biased? Prequels not written by the original creators almost universally suck shit and are done for purely financial reasons.
Has it been long enough to warrant a Before Watchmen Storytime of Pain? I'm not offering, but I am interested.
Most of it isn't actively painful, just really underwhelming. That panel and this one are the only really worthwhile parts of it.
Wheres the magazine?
that gray thingie? his finger isn't on the trigger
it was just too moronic to even care.
Delays + Bendis cucking LOSH + no immediate JSA + dumb ending made it unpopular save for shitposts
The secondary plot being totally forgotten didn't help
It officially confirmed capecomics are dead as a medium
The trifecta has finally happened
They brought back Gwen Stacy
Captain Marvel came back
And Watchmen crossed over with DC
>Captain Marvel came back
Wait when?
Civil War: the Return
Avengers vs. X-men
I remember the civil war one, which was a skrull (though I think even the hacks at Marvel had no idea at the time), but not the AvX one.
Oh hell that was meant for
Gave up on Fricksday Clock because I burnt out on comics before it finished. I assume the Supes-Punch never happens and he talk-no-jutsus his way out of this bullshit series like
?
If you think that Doomsday Clock is bad then I assure you that dodged a bullet
That is very cool op but is there a character that can defeat the Batman who Laughs? and I am not talking about just the Batman Who Laughs who conquered his home dimension and even beat the entire JLA and Darkseid, nor the Scion of Barbatos Batman Who Laughs. I am not talking about the Batman Who Laughs that managed to become a lackey to Perpetua either.
I am talking about The Darkest Knight Batman Who Laughs, who is a master in taijutsu, ninjutsu, magic, imbued with the powers of Dr. Manhattan, armed to the teeth with God killing weaponry and assisted by every super nightmare version of every DC villain ever, and...
>That is very cool op but is there a character that can defeat the Batman who Laughs?
Yes, Wonder Woman kicked his ass TWICE
Why does he have the symbol
Essentially Doc can't see past that point and just assumes Supes decks him.
When time comes its actually superman punching past him and knocking some other villein out. Actually a nice moment but every continuation of watchmen has sucked.
>Actually a nice moment
Agreed. Most anons don't understand it's a genuine Superman moment. Superman inspires Manhattan which allows him to regain his faith in humanity and creates his own Superman for his world.
>Most anons don't understand it's a genuine Superman moment. Superman inspires Manhattan which allows him to regain his faith in humanity and creates his own Superman for his world.
Someone who gets it.
Men are still good.
But fire guy had no idea who Manhattan was.
>Most anons don't understand it's a genuine Superman moment.
We do, we also find it dumb and cheap. There's nothing superman says that ragman or time drake couldn't have said. It wasnt a Superman moment,
It's total shit though, because Manhattan never got what he had coming.
Sounds like someone wants to punch Manhattan.
I'm surprised if someone doesn't, to be honest.
All the other heroes tried but Manhattan just toyed with them and messed with their powers. Only Superman didn't try to fight him and instead helped him, even after realizing what Manhattan was doing.
That's even bigger reason to want to punch him.
>Etrigan vomits literal hellfire on him
>*tips fedora* ackshually science blah blah nothing personnel DC
>just gets away
homosexual should have gotten Spectre'd or something.
Batkek curbstomped the Spectre before he even became Batmanhattan. Spectre would die like a b***h if Manhattan were angry at him
He blew up Pandora. That was not very nice of him.
On paper the idea is good. But when i read that, i disliked it. It makes sense but felt more like an asspull.
Watchmen on itself is asspull.
>thoir is omnipotent superman whoi coin doi oinithing
>hoi ois boisically Bill Dunn + Kal-El
>except he c**t oind he just seems my influence as a wroiter on him
Literally "point" of OG comics is just stuff happens and stuff coincides and rhymes with each other. And despite being omnipotent being Doc Man only goes where Alan and Dave told him to go and doesn't solve Adrian's ruse because he just doesn't okay?
In normal DC Comics of that era you'd normally get inner monologue exposition or narration why stuff didn't happen despite character's ability reacting million six gorillion times faster than any event can happen.
But not in Watchmen. And because most of moorehomies never read normal non Moore comics they wouldn't get it.
Clock without craftsman.
anon there's a point where doing a "funny" accent in text just dissolves into gibberish
I know, I went too moronic.
All me.
Also
>you just don't understand whaaa
Yeah it is fictional story with some deliberate weaknesses in overall omnipotent being.
And there's nothing to understand, Doc Man just goes through motion. Whether he kills someone or walks on the water or whatever, he just does because that's written for him and only he can see "strings" of that writing and overall it's tight tight tight mini series with parallels and coincidences. Ultimately there's nothing to understand about his powers. Within Moore story.
>get inner monologue exposition
>But not in Watchmen
But it does. Did you read Watchmen? Are you Johns?
>Actually a nice moment
It's saccharine bullshit that makes no sense. It's a twist that makes no sense, Manhattan can't see past that point in his future just because. The entire crux of the shitty plot is built on an almost nonexistent foundation.
charactergays are downright delusional
Imagine the smell :4
So i literally know nothing about Doomsday Clock, but is Manhattan actually portrayed as not caring about life? His whole arc in the original is realizing the value in life, its what his whole speech to Laurie is about after she finds out she's the Comedian's daughter
Yeah basically. It retcons that instead of going to space creating his own life he travels to DC and soifaces over how important Superman is to the multiverse and alters DC history by just experimenting trying to prevent Superman from becoming Superman
He isnt caring about interacting with life. It has no meaning since it is always there for him and everything about isnt important to him or his greater awareness. But sure Laurie peaked his interest.
Yes, it kinda is unexplained.
the entire purpose of Doomsday Clock is Johns delivering judgement on most of the cast for being monsters.
Jon becomes a monster after killing Rorschach and letting Viedt get away with mass murder because he comes out of the original Watchman series thinking he can do whatever the frick he wants with no consequence because Superman's going to kill him anyway, so why not finally live a little and indulge in abuse of his godlike powers to cause trouble. Comedian gets teleported seconds before his death, kills a sympathetic Firestorm villain with a tragic backstory and shoots Riddle in the kneecaps for the evilulz before Luthor sends him back to his death because even Luthor is appalled by what Comedian is. And Veidt fricks around with actual super heroes and super villains and gets put into his place/sent to jail. Even Rorscach is called a monster to pimp his black replacement.
The only characters who get away with not being denounced are Laurie and Dan and that's only because Doomsday Clock explicitly states that they retired and never became heroes again in spite of Moore teasing they'd continue to be heroes/that Laurie would adopt a new persona based off Comedian. And they get rewarded by way of being given custody of Mime and Marionette's son, who Manhattan kidanapped, raised until he was around 10-12 years old and then dumped on their doorstep for them to finish raising.
Well also to get some actual culprit for Nu52, in-universe.
Monty Python's Flying Circus
BEEN ONE WEEK SINCE YOU LOOKED AT ME
made me laugh more than it should have. thanks, anon
The saddest thing is that this was made when it was announced, Cinemaphile knew how it was going to end and some delusional johnsgays remained in denial until they could blame didiot
I prefer this over Dark Crisis
I prefer not reading either.
>I prefer cat vomit over dog shit
Why even choose?
What's your favorite comics
TIME
THE NUTSHACK
Geoff Johns is & always was a moron.
Prime's issue in Death Metal was the best thing to come out of DC in recent years.
It's really hard to frick up Prime, just write a story where he's angry, stupid and kick everybody ass and it works.
Infinite crisis?
Uninronically Yes
I hope to God they keep him alone after this, it was a good closure for his story.
>closure
>in the big 2
lol lmao
Superboy-Prime being a thing at all is proof closer doesn't mean much.
All it takes is for some random asshat hack writer to try to turn him into a villain for Jon Kent to ruin him again. He truly did get the perfect ending this time, by becoming the actual Superman he was meant to be and finally getting his earth back with no strings attached for his effort in helping defeat Batkek.
Let's just hope they leave him alone and let Injustice Superman take the place of Superboy-prime from now on.
>Let's just hope they leave him alone and let Injustice Superman take the place of Superboy-prime from now on.
Didn't he get killed by He-Man a few years ago?
yeah but that was after 2's Superman ending
He's Geoff Johns's mouthpiece, and his use is utterly dependent on whether Johns wants to use him
Awww I love stuff with Krypto in it. He's probably one of my favorite characters.
>Krypto redeems Prime
truly best dog
Island of Lost Children was the most maudlin garbage I've ever read.
You don't get it. Geoff Johns is a moron. HOWEVER, DC has gone so far downhill that there are legitimately people more moronic than him working there.
It's like Idiocracy. Johns looks like a genius compared to Snyder and Williamson not because he is a genius, but because they're mega ultra stupid.
I think this is exagerated. But i have the feeling that this is spot on.
For me DC kind of ends here personally, I mean the story was pretty corny but I dunno it feels like a decent conclusion to a long story
is that the superman that becomes wonder womans mace?
Was it around the time they sorta tried to unfrick Wally as well?
yes
P R I M E T I M E was fun-- and to honest with you all, that's all I wanted from that shitshow of an event.
Superboy Prime was the best part of that shitty event. He went from a cuck who was going to steal TDK's powers and destroy everything to literal superman by sacrificing himself to present himself as a symbol of hope for the other heroes. First time I teared up from reading a comic in ages.
Superboy Prime wasn't trying to steal TBWL's power.
Superboy Prime was recruited by The Batman Who Laughed, who offered to give him a Pre-Crisis Earth to live on that would be the only non-tainted world of the TBWL's new multverse. Wonder Woman convinced him to switch sides by pointing out that TBWL is a backstabbing c**t who would never give Superboy his dream world because Superboy Prime's dream world was everything that TBWL despised and wanted destroyed.
At the very end of Death Metal in the Superboy Prime special, it's established that no one really trusts Superboy Prime but Krypto, who watches Superboy Prime take the fight right to TBWL, who by that time had put his brain inside of Batman as Dr Manhattan and became the Darkest Knight and had killed Perpetua and was on the brink of recreating existence in his blasphemous image.
And again, it was established that TBWL feared Superboy Prime enough to AGAIN offer him his original deal: an untainted pre-crisis Earth in the new Helltopian Multiverse if he would start attacking/killing Earth's heroes in service of TBWL. Superboy Prime tells him to frick off and basically repeatedly punches TBWL so fricking hard, that TBWL has to self-destruct the 52 Earths that would be the Earths that make up his Helltopia Multiverse just to survive long enough to teleport away from a mortally wounded Superboy Prime (who sufered major wounds from the energies TBWL was throwing around in a bid to keep from being punched to death). With it also implied that A .Wonder Woman only was able to beat TBWL because Superboy Prime had softened him up and B. that Wonder Woman rewarded Superboy Prime by resurrecting him on a restored Earth Prime (reset to what it was right before it was destroyed in Crisis).
>It could be mine!
Uh huh yeah.
I don't care about your own interpretation. SBP is a power stealing cuck and so was the BWL for being a b***h.
The only good part was when SBP wasn't being a c**t at the very end and that shitty awful event ending.
> TBWL, who by that time had put his brain inside of Batman as Dr Manhattan and became the Darkest Knight
Literally more convoluted than manga
Manga is not convoluted.
Oh yeah. Sure buddy boy
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It's actually not really convoluted, just fricking stupid. Batkek discovers an alternate universe Batman that just made the same experiment as Dr Manhattan and manages to put his brain into this Batman's body before he can fully get his Manhattan powers.
Wonder Woman's role in that event is one of THE last and most perfect representations of Wonder Woman, honoring OG vision
of her.
This is how she always meant to be, while Superman just guy that does what He thinks is the right thing and fighting for particularly weak and obliterating evil men.
Zack Snyder's Superman is literally how Superman supposed to be, while Wonder Woman 84 is how Wonder Woman supposed to be.
unbased moron
Only posting truth.
It's like cartoon TMNT. Why would you give them swords if they never use them. Then you open up original comics and discover why. Suddenly everything makes sense.
Even American publications had weird coloring choices.
dude you don't have to use a a stupid acronym if you just call him batkek like everyone else.
That and picrel were the only good pages in that entire disaster of an event
>The world was saved because Wally went iron giant up batkek's ass
Johns bringing him back and making DiDio Seethe was the best part of Rebirth.
616 Gwen isn't back yet until after gang wars when peter snaps it
Does SBP have a suggested reading/reading order?
Suggested reading is don't read him at all.
DC Comics Presents #87
Crisis On Infinite Earths #10-12
Infinite Crisis
Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps War
Countdown to Final Crisis
Final Crisis Legion of Three Worlds
Adventure Comics v2 #5-6
Teen Titans #98-100
Geoff Johns's Shazam ongoing
Death Metal
I hate Johns Shazam run so much it's unreal
I'm astonished how he and Mark Millar can be seen as anything but. I guess that's what happens when you're king moron writing for other morons.
Millar is unanymously agreed to be a moron prime. Were you thinking of morrison?
I hate Johns.
He claims to be wholesome but he make the some of the most fricked-up decisions.
That I am extremely jealous of Mime for creampieing Marionette. The invisible guns are cool, too.
Probably the only good thing that was in Doomsday Clock. And they felt rather like donutsteel.
This is Geoff's revenge for being called a coon by Alan Moore.
based Geoff
How is he based? He self-owned really hard.
Fanfiction is very hit or miss.
I expect nothing and I'm STILL disappointed.
>raises left fist
>throws right fist
So the way he bested Manhattan is with a simple feint?
Yes
And made Cinemaphilemrades seethe
>it is 1985
>I am reading Watchmen for the first time
>it is palpably exciting not knowing what is to come, knowing that any of these characters could die
>the side stories confuse but also delight, they are related to the main story yet unrelated
>it is 2009
>I am watching Watchmen for the first time
>it is a slick beat 'em up soft porn movie about a neo-nazi and his friends beating up a gay guy
>all anybody wants to talk about is Dr Donghattan
>it is 2012
>I am reading Before Watchmen for the first time
>it is time to shit
>Zack Snyder is a hack who has destroyed the superhero genre at DC
>it is 2017
>I am reading Doomsday Clock for the first time
>it will never be 2008 again
>this has gone too far
>none of these characters can die
>it is 2019
>I am watching Watchmen for the first time
>it is not about the comic book which it is set after
>it is not very good
>it will never be 2008 again
>1990 was 40 years ago
>it is 2020
>I am reading Dark Knights: Death Metal for the first time
>I guess this is what Watchmen is now
>all anybody wants to talk about is who Steve Jobs is
>Steve Jobs is the billionaire who died before ever having to see Zack Snyder hailed as the savior of the superhero genre at DC then vilified as the hack who destroyed the superhero genre at DC
>it is 2020
>I am reading Rorschach for the first time
>it is a sequel to the comic book and the movie and the tv show Watchmen
>it is about a guy who has been dead for a long time still being used by a comic book writer to stir controversy
>I am tired of Earth. Those frickers. Our shit
>it is 2021
>I am reading Flashpoint Beyond
>there is something mentally wrong with me
>it is the second Geoff Johns Watchmen
>there is something mentally wrong with him too
>1990 was 40 years ago
>Steve Jobs licked Jim Gordon's ass and died
>Dr Donghattan is alive and gangbanging his wife in this one
>he is dead in the other one
Top tier post
>2022
>woah Cinemaphile's got this spooky blue skeleton on every page of Cinemaphile and music is playing
>>I am reading Flashpoint Beyond
Excuse me, what the frick? Another one was made?
Yes. It was mostly about Thomas desperately trying to maintain and restore his reality after realizing he has another chance. He gets Flashpoint Barry killed via absurd negligence. Gilda Dent becomes Two-Face (and gets killed) and Harvey Dent's surviving child becomes Robin. Martha is now in a containment cell within the Batcave where she can milf it up. Batman fights the Time Hunters so he they won't crush a snowglobe (the one from Watchmen, the one which Julie shatters, which symbolizes her acceptance that time cannot be frozen, that her and all other characters must eventually move on) that tethers the Flsshpoint universe to existence and threatens to unravel the prime universe because it's a contradiction.
At the end we're introduced to a bunch of shitty Golden Age OCs that we're supposed to pretend have been here all along, like Jay Garrick's daughter and Soviet Lantern and Klarion But A e-girl.
>it is time to shit
in hindsight, i should have understood that was the end of Cinemaphile right there and then
Good post, but whats up 1990?
Is this a bait image?
No. And your post?
>>it is a slick beat 'em up soft porn movie about a neo-nazi and his friends beating up a gay guy
I like Snyder's Watchmen and this still fricking killed me
>about a neo-nazi and his friends beating up a gay guy
cried at the scene btw
Garbage post. Geoff and Gunn killed DC
>2012
>Before Watchmen
>shits on Zack Snyder for 0 reason
Absolutely correct state of mind of Snyder hating troongays.
It warms my heart that all of you are philosophical dead ends.
>Those frickers. Our shit
It hurts to be old enough to remember
>Those frickers, our apples
Are you talking about Scott Snyder?
>Watchmen is a 2009 American superhero film based on the 1986–1987 DC Comics limited series of the same name co-created and illustrated by Dave Gibbons (with co-creator and author Alan Moore choosing to remain uncredited).[11] Directed by Zack Snyder from a screenplay by David Hayter and Alex Tse, the film features Malin Åkerman, Billy Crudup, Matthew Goode, Carla Gugino, Jackie Earle Haley, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, and Patrick Wilson.
>Zack Snyder is a hack who has destroyed the superhero genre at DC
Man of Steel was 2013
And it saved Superman from being associated and appropriated by creeps, and returned original Man component
Why does Watchmen always produce good Cinemaphile posts? No other comics have the same quality threads or posts.
It's dense and deals with archetypes, cuts across a lot of big topics.
Even Superman needed role models or something.
That Doctor Manhattan as a character sucks.
that Alan Moore's work should be left the frick alone outside of the V for Vendetta movie which turned out great despite deviating from the source material
I still remember the seethe that pic related generated
At that point I'm throwing a Toonforce character at him. If he wants to act High and mighty, might as well put him against someone who won't listen.
the doctor kills him in two seconds
>is then drawn into his own personal hell
Nothin' personnel
Man I hate toonforcegays.
Remember when it was discussed as the fun and goofy thing it is? Then brainlets turned it into powerscale frickery.
>Then brainlets turned it into powerscale frickery
Says the homosexual seething about the idea of dr manhattan not winning a fight
Wouldn't work. Manhattan the writer this time.
I can't confirm if Mxy still counts as toonforce but he was scared of Dr Manhattan
>"ehh what's up d-"
>is instantly vaporised into component particles
>pile of ashes blinks
>"I hope you know that this means war"
>Reintegrates himself in the next scene.
Kind of similar. Sort of.
That fight was good. But Moore wrote himself into a corner. And the end was more like a “i need that ending so he wins“.
How did he write himself into a corner?
Jasper was a godlike reality shaping entity. The Fury was created to adapt to everything. So the fight should end in a draw or never ending. So Fury won, because he needed a big threat for Captain Britain.
Jasper would have won if Fury had not teleported them to the gutter space. When it was over, Fury was low on juice.
*Jaspers
See thats the thing. Jasper was crazy creative. While the Fury was good with countering. So Fury won because Moore need him to.
When you put it so. Ok, but Fury still won.
Fury was still killed by Jaspers' creations wasn't it? It was a pyrrhic victory at best.
The Fury had to teleport him to literal non-existence AND kill him. Given the way Jaspers' powers are described, it makes sense.
Sure it makes sense. But only if you accept that Fury could teleport only now.
The Fury learned to teleport when Captain Britain was revived by Merlin. He did it once and it fricked him up. Once he recovered, survived battling a superteam, and absorbed a supercomputer, he was able to teleport without getting wrecked.
I also think that non-reality was his home universe that got destroyed by the omniverse overseer, but I have to read it again.
Also, if Jaspers was the victor of that fight against Fury, Captain Britain and everyone else would have been fricked.
Ok, didnt knew or remember he learned teleportation prior.
But it essentially did end in a draw, Fury used a clever exploit to get the upper hand but still ended up exhausting all of its power fighting Jasper to the point it was a vulnerable husk.
>Cartoon punchup becomes a battle of eldritch gods
I like it
I NEED a looney tunes vs Dr Manhattan comic ASAP
Toonforce is such a dumb meme
What bothered me about the army of heroes vs Manhattan fight is that none of the psychic heroes tried to mental attack him, despite everything he still reasons as human so the mind frickery would have been the best bet.
read Worm
no
I have standards anon
Which is fair.
I hate that it caused seethe because the very next page shows he wasn't mocking them. He was excited to learn something for a change
He's not being high and mighty
This page is so shit.
I think the seethe was more because Manhattan called magic "random computer errors" and that a guy that who got his powers from science is far above magicians.
It's the best way he could comprehend it
Hes right though.
To be fair, anytime someone talks in that bad of an irish accent, I want to murder them, so I'm on manhatten's side this time.
(Scotsman from samurai jack gets a pass solely because being an insane racial stereotype is basically his super power)
didnt dr dingaling become dr blue slong before computers became common? I feel like he got into atomic shit when things were still mostly analog. Even if they had computers, I feel like they would have been early mechanical computers or vacuum tube based or punch card based or written in assembly. No one would be talking about strings of code.
baaaaaaad writing
Haha Magic sucks confirmed.
I don't have it but there's a pic that puts this next to a screenshot of a Johns interview where he's literally saying "Doctor Manhattan won't fight the Justice League, that's not the kind of story we're telling"
I remember something similar. That he says that Manhattan vs the JLA would be a low bar and so they wont do taht kind of gimmick.
I like the explanation for magic.
>Magic is being able to alter the fabric of the universe through its own flaws
What's there to seethe about except for the writing? That's magic and Manhattan is another proof of the flaws of the universe but through an accidental science experiment or 'another random computer error'. Really stupid.
I can't be mad at this because Jon looks so god damned happy to be learning something knew.
I don't know, Jon's little smile in the last panel sells it for me.
Why would anyone be mad at this? Because they're such so stupid they get triggered by some metaphorical language?
Why did DC decide to make him the mostest powerfulest person in the universe ever. when he really should just be a naked, Captain Atom/Firestorm/Matter Master with some precog?
Why did Alan Moore decided to put singular the superman into the world of "realistic" humans (and psychics) with skinny stinky ginger manlet that can crack toilet with kick of his naked foot, climb skyscrapers in lift shoes, survive Antarctica in autumn New York clothes, fight off against entire SWAT raid without getting shot, or with overweight nerd and some missy that could successfully beat up gang armed with knives or billionaire guy that can catch a bullet
>fight off against entire SWAT raid without getting shot
you're confusing the movie with the comic, anon-kun
To show the difference between the average hero and this superpower hero.
Because he is the most powerfull one. He re-arranged himself by sheer willpower. Can controll any molecule exisitng. Thats really powerfull. Question is how magic really interact with him.
I feel like firestorm and Captain Atom can do that too if they were not idiots. Don't know about Matter Master.
Captain Atom is much more a nuclear energy type. But Firestorm seems to be a similar level. Maybe just the concept or attention to detail is missing to make him much more powerfull.
>Can Control Atoms
is kind of a weird description that basically opens up anything and everything without limits really. At that point one is a reality manipulator, with an actual description other than the top level cosmic guys who just plain make shit happen. There was a time when Black Bolt had the power to control electrons and used it to do the same thing as Firestorm, he just turned air molecules into a cup of coffee, or water into steel etc.
But my whole deal with Manhattan is that it's weird that a 1950s scientist guy discovered how to turn himself into a top level, higher than Antimonitor and Mxy levels, reality controlling multiversal god. While no other super intelligent species in all of DC history ever came across that. It seems like something Brainiac or Darkseid might have tried. No Coluans, Guardians, Psions ever got that, no super intelligent cosmic types got that. Just lower Manhattan's powerlevels down some, he's a human that can rearrange stuff on a very local level and has some precog, he does not need to be DCU God. Precog alone should make it really really annoyingly hard to fight him no matter what one's superpower is.
Original Superman had shapeshifter powers (per Siegel)
Dr. Manhattan was literally based off Captain Atom. He was simply a superhero among humans, not some kind of god.
Thats the point. If he exist he would be a god. Captain Atom and Firestorm are written like jobbers. Either the writer is incapable to handle that character or written that way to have compel8ng stories.
a superhero with his abilities among normal humans WOULD be a god, that's the whole fricking point of his presence in the story
As someone who hasn't followed the big two in years, what the FRICK did they do to john constantine and the hell is that accent
just pretend anything with John Constantine interacting with the main DC universe doesn't exist
Constantine has had worse.
Alan Moore is always right
That Johns cant write any interesting or coherent stuff.
Most writers don't understand Manhattan's powers.
Manhattan powers is in doing what writer wants from Manhattan to do.
>doing what writer wants
>he just does because that's written for him
Literally every character in fiction.
Not within narrative of the story though.
Dr Man sits watching TV with his future ex wife because he always did that. He will always kill Rorschach even before he knows it is Rorschach.
Meanwhile Superman or Spider-Man can do whatever they want and it will either be canon, it will be retconed or it is Imaginary Story. Mark Grayson from Invincible comics also could do and did whatever, only fixed point was that he was born.
But for Dr Manhattan his entire existence within Watchmen comics is fixed point.
Then Moore did similar in Whatever Happened to Man of Tomorrow , then he did the same with origin of His Supreme, and then Grant Morrison did similar with All-Star Superman and Superman One Million.
And Mark Millar with Red Son
>Meanwhile Superman or Spider-Man can do whatever they want and it will either be canon, it will be retconed or it is Imaginary Story. Mark Grayson from Invincible comics also could do and did whatever, only fixed point was that he was born.
No, they do what the writer decides, until some other writer comes along and decides something else, and then another writer, ad infinitum.
Most readers don't either:
>swings his left in the first panel
>hits with right in the third panel
We learned that the comic book industry has very, very, very low standards for art. And that the artists and braindead readers are more concerned with panels looking pretty and detailed than making any sense between panels or flowing naturally as a sequence.
This event took way too fricking long to get to Superman punching John and was really dumb a bunch of times and we really didn't need more Watchmen but with all of that said the final issue was pretty good.
>the final issue was pretty good.
It wasnt, you just liked superman to be the mostest importantest and bestest Strongest guy, the final issue was disgusting and devalued superman as an idea and turned him into just a highly valuable IP. Morrison had Superman to be part of something greater, an archetype that includes superman and goes beyond trademarks, Johns is a homosexual that made everything in DC relaiant on Superman, derivative products. Superman is the mostest importantest becuase he came first, canon and industry wide reboots define who superman is, but dont think too hard, just celebrate that the comic says he is important. Superdaddygays are poison to the superman fanbase, you morons have no self-respect.
Nta, but I think the guy just liked the issue and wasn’t thinking about any of this.
>everything in DC relaiant on Superman
Wasn’t that always hinted it but on a smaller scale. I remember them doing that in JL series where he got sent to the future and the world was destroyed without him and everyone was killed. I think the same idea happened in JL trapped in time.
Metacontextually Superman IS everything.
As every superhero comics character is either his ripoff with a twist or reflection of him, or any of his characters.
It is known fact that in 1934-1936 Superman would wear bat-like cape and "Bat-man" was silhouette of a vampire in Siegel and Shuster's Dr Occult issue in 1937 , 2 years before "The Bat-Man" debuted (isn't it funny how only thing that didn't get completely ripped off from that silhouette were bat ears-horns that were added by Bill Finger, and also cape was suggested to be weavy instead of stiff like two wings like that silhouette too) .
In general in Watchmen there's really only two characters : Batman and Superman. And they got slices and fricking added into 4 main characters Dr Manhattan (strongest and most abest, bald because Bill Dunn Reign of The Super-Man from there also ability to read minds and to go where no man ever was), Ozymandias (I did it 30 min ago is parody of Silver-Bronze Age Superman plots where he wins in the end even though audience was convinced he was losing all along, secret base in the ice land, also same exact way drawn facial features by Gibbons), Note Owl (gadget part of Batman, Clark Kent bit along with His Lois Lane) , Rorschach (the vigilante side of Batman, also Kovacs because Joanne Siegel's nee was Kovacs she was Lois Lane prototype and redhead in real life).
But even characters like Iron Man is just rip off of Metalo, Metallo John Corben and Batman. Even Captain America origin was 1933 Superman's origin, both for Bill and for bulletproof one.
Respect OG.
Are chickens T-Rexes?
If you didn't put your shoelaces on the long smooth table from redwood today how would you feel about it, sweetheart?
Meds
Or what.
>Metacontextually Superman IS everything.
He isnt, becuase Doc savage was already a thing, just like Gladiator, capeshit didnt start with superman, the phantom was capeshitting before superman, mandrake was capeshitting before the phantom, Zorro was capeshitting before mandrake, the scarlet pimpernel was capeshitting before zorro this shit goes back to Perseus but turns out Gilgamesh was capeshitting before Perseus. This is why Geoff Johns take is so moronic, it puts DC characters into a tiny superman shaped box that is tied to trademarks, not ideas.
Doc Savage was a book nobody cared about + no super powers + Savage Gentleman ripoff
Gladiator was a book
It's only after Superman in Action Comics when Comics format Superhero genre became a thing. Not newspaper strips, nor fricking books.
So yes, despite being ripoff of these two, as well as of Hercules, John Carter, Samson (and by future writers no doubt of Golden Bat) Superman is still The first. As Superhero comics.
Only moronic thing about Johns is that he showcased Superman from Frankenstein modern angle, his "it's 1938" isn't really 1938 at all.
But no, you are absolutely moronic if you don't bow down before me and like that "oh, I was wrong, and you were right, omg omg omg".
Joking (orly?) Butt here's the thing : in 1936 Shuster ALREADY did "THE greatest" , and then Action Comics Superman part ends with "greatest strip hero", in 1938, this is character that not only NO ONE wanted to touch betwixt 1933 and 1938, but even later you have #2-6 Action covers with no Superman, why? Because real israelite publishers still couldn't believe in the success. Then after they did their experiment with #7 and #8, and now on Every cover past #9 they wrote "new Superman adventure here".
This is why Invincible is Greatest comics in the Galaxy. Btw original race of Superman were called race of supermen and they were strong even on Krypton, very similar to Vilturimites concept.
Just ponder on that for a sec.
Not only Superman practically (in a literal sense) invented superhero comics, he also invented such things as ongoings, and even retcons, let alone retcons by creators
Action only says Superman powerful because his people, supermen, are powerful and then grasshopper and fricking ant comparison because Gladiator ripoff
Then in McClure newspapers first and last time both creators do Krypton (actually named here) with Jor-L and Lora (because Siegel's mom's OG israelite name name Sora) , who are shown to be able to jump very high, run very fast and survive building falling on them without much of a scratch, but baby Kal did put a black eye on the doctor (just like Vilturimites later one, whole world is of cardboard but they slice each other's guts like nothing)
And the Superman where supermen on Krypton ARE shown to be strong, and then Earth said to have EVEN LESS of gravity, maybe that's why he is Kal which is lightweight in israelite language (also shit in Russian, therefore literally capeshit, also Maximmortal El Guano and stuff), also for the first time Kents were shown where unnamed (in 1934 he was supposed to be Sam) and Mary (yes, like Jesus mom, in 1934 she was Molly) told him to hide his powers from others or they'd fear him and then use powers for good when time is right.
There's no single next version of Superman that has ALL major elements exactly like previous origin. Fun.
And sure Superman was the first cape and comic heroe, but he wasnt the first superhero. He helped comic books and set several standards too.
Yes he was first superhero, other fellers weren't. Just adventurers.
here literally "greatest super-hero", back in 1936.
Wrong. Ōgon Bat predates Superman, unless you are strictly sticking to North America. Because I am sure there is some European superhero that predates Superman too.
This is the worst cope I've ever seen. Superman isn't the original anything.
Dude's a corporate-wienersucking schizo.
Seethe more you argumentless
I accept your concession.
Not how it works honky
You're going through all these mental hoops, to justify your bullshit. When in reality, when every legitimate source recognizes (and proves with their research that) the Phantom as the #1 comic book superhero. You can't revise facts.
>Oh but there were non-comic prototypes that had the moniker Superman
Then they're not comic book characters are they?
So Superman is not the #1 anything, he's not the first superhero, he's not even the first comic book superhero. And no one gives a shit about #2.
Noone gives a shit about the phantom either
No, it is you who is The most pathetic fricking creature out there, so butthurt and inept that you are willingly lie.
About half a year ago it was how actually Captain America was inspired by Gladiator not Superman. Now this.
You are literally darkest fricking gorilla.
"Every legitimate source"
Except reality. You absolute biological failure
Phantom isn't comics superhero again, he is newspaper superhero. Only Superman was true comics superhero you absolute Looney troon.
I don't even understand what you Trying to achieve here, everyone else sees you for what kind of moron you are and can check all my facts themselves.
Imagine lying over capeshit. Just to, I don't know, being pathetic?
>About half a year ago it was how actually Captain America was inspired by Gladiator not Superman. Now this.
You're a schizo. These are hundreds of documented sources that even the most deranged Supergay would concede to.
https://nicksupes.com/2019/10/15/superman-inspiration-gladiator-by-philip-wylie/
>Phantom isn't comics superhero again,
Comic strips aren't comics now? Are you moronic?
Again, this is well documented and universally recognized. Wikipedia, Google, Guinness World Records, all confirm that the Phantom is the first comic book superhero. There's no debate going on. You're just delusional, you've swallowed the DC's propaganda. But it's just you. The rest of the World knows better.
>Imagine lying over capeshit. Just to, I don't know, being pathetic?
Picrel
It is you who is illiterate looney troon moron.
Newspaper strips aren't comics you absolute moron. Superman also was first ever dedicated to one character ongoing.
This is after years of rejections and even when Action Comics #1 released they denied an absolute groundbreaking success. Yeah, morons like you were back in the day too.
I am not protecting anything you looney troon, anyone who will glance this thread and checks up knows that I only posted facts and insults for looney troons and moorehomies for being moronic , or lying or hypocritical. And I will do it again because it is also fact.
bro, you can't barely even type a coherent sentence
"Sis", you are wrong again.
Are you an ESL? Your syntax and grammar is fricking horrendous.
>pro Siegel and pro Shuster post
>corporate
Beyond moronic looney troon
>*reads TV Tropes once*
Thats a good argument. But you forgot Silk Spectre. And that Superman and Batman use typical hero stuff that older pulp or lit established. So,you are right but can also point it to other things. Ozy is much more Lex Luther for example.
I agree with this.
He has over 100 hundred stories. And even got adapted to a radioplay. So people cared. Or at least consumed.
Hello Satan Silk Spectre is mostly a secondary character. Just a love interest even though she is also major catalyst. Something between Lois Lane and Wonder "Angel" Woman
> Hello Satan
My pleasure. You want to trade a soul?
Silk Spectre being a Lois Lane analogy is good. How about Catwoman? But i think she is much more Black Canary.
Can you explain that more? He is an amalgamation of Superman and Ultra Humanite? Or a leftover from Ultra Humanite of Bill Dunn run?
>Noir Watchmen
For what possible reason would someone want a lesser version of something?
The novelty of getting pure lineart. But honestly i agree that this is just a selling gimmick.
Any female love interest really.
Luthor and Ultra themselves were salvaged from Bill Dunn story, and they were an amalgam of Dunn and evil scientist who experimented on him. And both Ultra and Bill were bald, unlike Luthor (originally)
Also funny
Shuster here mention Telly, 12 years before DCAU used him as prototype for Their Lex. And obviously when they made Reign they didn't know any American Greek actor. I don't think he was even born yet
Also original Luthor was just Luthor. Lex Luthor, first version, is silver age version that was fanboy of Superboy before accidentally becoming haircel because of Superboy carelessness and therefore completely evil. Though he wasn't That evil in Silver Age, Bronze Age was really when his Blood feud was at. Especially after planet Lexor got destroyed (by Lex own irrational hatred)
If it was cheaper edition it could bring great exercise on coloring your own Watchmen. Like there's El Superhombre from 40s Argentina, Lebanon Superman in white costume or fricking insane Daredevil = Nebojsa from Yugoslavian Bosnia colored mostly in blue and yellow. (There was also Oficer Yugoslavia, and other Marvel "ripoffs", but Daredevil was the main guy for them).
Higher res
Left is basically Sin City Superman, far upper right is Dr Occult except with different colors scheme
Dr Occult (also he could grow in size and phase through things, although later on it was kinda retconned as hypnosis/illusion casting, but we both know better now don't we, retcons don't come before, they come after initial idea)
Which is very similar how in real life, Siegel left to army and Don't Cameron wrote another origin of Super in which people on Krypton Weren't powerful, and ever since then only original Siegel origins (and Viltrumites) have this detail where Superman's people could high jump not only on Earth/under yellow sun.
Original explanation behind powers was also that Krypton itself charged them with it, not sun (difference) which was created by Weisinger and Binder (who was originally a prolific Captain Marvel writer)
That's Wonder Woman, not Superman.
Seriously it is. Wonder Woman was The "Superman" you want so much. 1978 movie also infused its version with WW like how Jor El sending his son to Earth not only out of selfish reasons to save his own race, but also so he will teach Earthtards high values or the fact that his S and color scheme of his blankets Just happen to land in the country where it will be met with the most warm response. Or the fact that it was romantic movie first and action only second if not third.
OG Wonder Woman for example has story where she makes super tiny queen Atomia good, so that she will use her influence through atomic world and cure all sick children of Earth. Superman never had stories like that, because character was about "what if I, chud, had super powers"
No, more like reads behind the scenes info and commentary of creators, one of the few honest israelites, themselves.
>Which is very similar how in real life, Siegel left to army and Don't Cameron wrote another origin of Super in which people on Krypton Weren't powerful, and ever since then only original Siegel origins (and Viltrumites) have this detail where Superman's people could high jump not only on Earth/under yellow sun.
Yes Waltuh, in original version race of supermen (instead of "Kryptonians") we're powerful even on their own planet and could only be harmed by each other or planet sized explosion
Shut the frick up ignant and coping moorehomie. No one denied influences on Superman from other characters, including Doc Savage who is himself a rip off from Savage Gentleman which is product of Gladiator 1930 creator.
But Superman Is The first comics superhero.
This isn't DC it is reality that says so. DC would never say Iron Man is blatant ripoff of DC characters. Even though it's absolutely true and they could 100% sue marvel same way they did Fawcett
Also *Don Cameron, ofc. Auto correct.
But yeah, imagine if Invincible Comics had writer switch and Viltrumites were only powerful on Earth and that's why Omni wanted to conquer it so much, because in that specific territory they'd be unstoppable, at least within Earth boundaries or within Solar system of planets.
And also suddenly Omni Man or Mark never killed anyone, Armstrong Levi was just put into jail and GotGs were just heavily beaten. And also reason why Mark has opening for hair and goggles on his mask Is because all Viltrumites males also had them.
Also instead of Nolan Grayson it is Noah Len Gricin.
This is how Superman was changed ever since 1945 and 1948 (by Bill Finger who "explained" trunks as depicting Jor-El and others wearing them).
Ofc you can argue that Siegel himself did retcons. Fair, but they always followed pre established powers rules or names. Up until writer switch.
Guess we have Wonder Woman, Lois Lane, Cat Woman and Black Canary as female characterisation in DC. Dont know if you could add Supergirl as female version and Batgirl as female sidekick.
Thanks for explaining the Luthor stuff. Didnt knew that.
>Nebojsa from Yugoslavian Bosnia
Serbia actually
>Oficer Yugoslavia
no such thing
Proof
of what? daredevil was published by decje novine (serbia); more than the poorly recolored 1960s version, i enjoyed frank miller's run in black and what and 11x8
officer yugoslavia sounds like a joke; a popular spider-man rip off was cat claw, published in the usa as well
otherwise the country was not big on superheroes
otherwise good posts 🙂
How was This guy called then?
Some of these are from israelite from Israel that claims they are from 40s Billiken.
Look like Shuster or Shuster studio drawing but with weird recolour
that's Lale, a Serbian comic magazine
not a rip off btw, it's a reprint of the US material but recolored badly
yes, Nebojsa (a male name meaning Fearless as in The Man without Fear) was published the same way in the same mag
Yeah, I didn't mean ripoff in the vein that Captain Marvel is ripoff of Superman or Iron Man is ripoff of Metalo Metallo and Batman. But in the recoloring. And to save myself from characters limit.
So anyways, what was his name?
Kapitan Americka or what?
in the old comics he's called "tiger", almost never "captain america" (not sure if it was censorship or self-censorship, but it was cold war anyway and yugoslavia was socialist)... simarly, his 2011 movie was known in russia simply as "the first avenger"
is this original material or reprint? hate to say it, but i'm not that familiar with the golden age supes. i do know jije (of jerry spring fame) did some strips when the import was halted
if we're talking original material, serbian zigomar fits the bill, here vs the phantom in 1939, perhaps one of the first team-ups/crossovers in comics (unofficial of course haha)
Also (Lex) Luthor himself is SIMPly a leftover from original Bill Dunn Superman and Ultra-Humanite (original one)
Also sure people cared, enough to inspire Superman through original co creator Siegel and then Weisinger era when Fortress of Solitude name was stolen + it being ice base stolen from Golden Gate
But Superman was The first Comics format superhero.
Remove him and we'd only have something like John Constantine as comics superheroes. Which was also inspired by Dr Occult, another Siegel and Shuster creation which also had red cape and chest symbol and flew before Superman (officially)
Indeed nothing is really without other stuff influencing it.
Interesting point with a comic world without Superman. The question is if something other would have come along. Since Zorro, Phantom and Green Hornet we have ingredients for a hero that might look like Superman. Or we would have superheroes that look more like Marvels one.
>Metacontextually Superman IS everything.
>As every superhero comics character is either his ripoff with a twist or reflection of him, or any of his characters.
The Phantom is the original comic book superhero. Superman is a rip off of the Phantom.
Fortunately, for the longest time, Superman didn't copy the legacy thing.
The whole legacy shit is bull. It's DC trying to make an irrelevant character relevant by revising his conception instead of writing good stories. He's a product of his time, and a dozen inspirations and influences for him have already been pointed out and recognized by the public at large.
Isn't Doc Savage a legit character in DC these days?
1) Phantom is newspapers strip superhero (Superman would be too, if not for Providence)
2) Superman already wore trunks in 1934 Russell Keaton drawings in which he would come from Earth in the future and would be raised as Clark Kent by Sam and Molly, with Sam telling him to keep his powers a secret from other people which will carry over to Superman #1 retcon (and some Silver Age but in subverted form and in Birthright, and especially in Man of Steel film)
Elon Musk in the second panel?
Maybe. Birthright 7 also famously predicted how Zack Snyder would look like when he would direct Justice League
Curt Swan predicted Henry Cavill numerous times.
There's Batman issue where he is called "Dark Knight" And there's "F.Miller arrives"
Not even count times 9/11 was predicted.
What?
Yeah
Kinda incorrect.
Superman's more an amalgamation of John Carter, Doc Savage, Hugo Danner, and Samson.
Wrong he is an amalgamation of Moses, Hercules and Gilgamesh.
Honestly there are heroes and MC tropes that are just used since humans told stories.
>Moses
If Superman had Moses in him he would be homelander or brightburn
Just saying that there are standard characteristics that you will find in alot of fictional or glorified persons.
You are saying bs. When there are clear facts.
And Moses is anything but standard. israelite gets raised as Egyptian, becomes top ranking officer of Egyptians, then all of a sudden gets possessed by demonic entity and sends plagues on "his" own people. Because turns out they enslaved his real people.
Wow, so much like Superman. You are so fricking smart.
>And Moses is anything but standard.
It is kinda a standard story device to let the main character uncertain of his birthright. And to become a savior or good king.
He didn't. He became bane of people he spent his youth with.
This is as far from Superman as you can imagine.
And Siegel never stated Moses are influence, unlike Samson (and then Samson only comes up to Original concept where Superman part was cold persona towards Lois Lane and other women, because unlike what moronic boomers settled with in an actual israelite myth Samson lost his power because he got tangled with women, not because she cut his fricking hair).
But again, liars only hurt themselves in the end. It's like admitting that drinking water and have regular sleep regime is good for you vs being experimental schizo looney troon moron that doesn't sleep regularly or doesn't hydrate.
You do you then.
>child gets send away
>gets adopted
>grow up in a society that is different than his own (israeli/kryptonian =/= egyptian/earth)
>both become the hero and a saviour
See, there are enough similarities. And this is what i just say. He isnt inspired by Moses, but there are certain hero or story devices/tropes used that you will easily can say that one inspired the other. Even when it isnt so but just coincidents.
gets send away
Not Moses exclusive
>>gets adopted
Not Moses exclusive
>>grow up in a society that is different than his own (israeli/kryptonian =/= egyptian/earth)
OG Kal-L considered himself as Earthling, didn't know about Krypton besides it's name (in unreleased 1940 story)
Even Kal-El and Kryptonians (not Siegel's vision), Krypton was just retro futuristic 100% white American Society. And Were still treated as space humans, Superman had no problem getting Humans pregnant. All-Star trannies keep it fricking quiet.
>>both become the hero and a saviour
No Moses becomes possessed and becomes children murderer. Saviour was the other guy that has much more in common with Superman including earth mother's name.
>See, there are enough similarities.
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>And this is what i just say.
Saying nothing.
>He isnt inspired by Moses,
Correct, stating otherwise is israelite and anti Christians cope
>but there are certain hero or story devices/tropes used that you will easily can say that one inspired the other.
Ofc not.
>Even when it so but just coincidents.
Coincidence is when Kal (which means lightweight in israeli, because part of OG explanation was lower gravity making him EVEN STRONGER that he already was on Krypton, McClure - Superman 1 1939 canon) also means shit in Russian and both S and S are children of Russian Empire immigrants and in Maximmortal created by Veitch one of coiners of "capeshit", which was allegory and parody on Superman and Disney, and it has character El Guano (also similar to gavno ie shit in Russian) and he fights local Superman parody by throwing shit at it and then makes shit golem (golem Was inspiration for Superman) which creates alchemical golden idea version of local Superman.
That's coincidence.
>Not Moses exclusive
Exaclty, i think you now might understand my point.
>OG Kal-L considered himself as Earthling, didn't know about Krypton besides it's name (in unreleased 1940 story)
So was Moses till it was spoiled he was found in the river.
No, Kal-L knew he is from Krypton.
Case of living dolls is 1942 story
Clark knew that he came from Krypton in 1940 unreleased story.
And Kal-El knows he is Kryptonian, yet doesn't join phantom Zone criminals.
Nothing like Moses at all. Seething zionists take another L
You kinda sound like Moses killed your livestock
You are shaking so much from my unkempt righteousness that this is your best respond. A pedophile friendly anime
moronic Cinemaphile didn't upload picture
There's something off with you anon
Superman's own creators who were israelites and weren't part of the satanic branch, always stated that Clark was based Jesus Christ
Also stop generating bs you israelite
isn't he more an anti-hero?
>Metacontextually The Golden Bat IS everything
No because Golden Bat isn't comics superhero.
No, I just kinda liked it.
Why did they decide Manhattan was above the entirety of DC cosmology? Even further hammered in by Batman who Laughs considering him the best power-up he could get?
He never did anything as insane as say, Mr. Mxy. He was essentially Firestorm if he fully understood his powers and perceived things non-linear relative to time.
On the other hand, why did they make him seem so weak in the HBO show?
I think DC was trying to suck up to Moore by making Manhattan such an important, awesome piece of the lore or whatever. HBO had no interest in or respect for the source material, more than usual when it comes to adaptation, so their characterizations are even less valid than Doomsday Clock.
>I think DC was trying to suck up to Moore by exhuming the corpse of the comic property they stole from him and unironically using it like that one Simpsons episode
Because he is very important. And his powers are kinda godlike. He could rearange his molecules twice after being torn apart.
Watchmen is still important. So they decided to make him important. HBO just needed him as a plot device to empower their OC main character and to get the power stealing plot. Quite funny how everyone seem to know that Manhattan was back. And noone was hunting for him, just waiting. In the end it doesnt really make sense.
Cinemaphile should come together and make a dr manhattan vs bugs bunny
Reminder cicel the turtle and the airplane grimlen got the best of bugs too so they stomp dr Manhattan too
you're alright Cinemaphile, sometimes
We learnt that decades later, certain cape writers are still traumatised by the fact someone used their genre to write a self-contained work of fiction that dealt in actual ideas and mattered to people.
And instead of leaving their comfort zone to try and match or even mimic that success, these writers will simply relitigate it and what it meant to their meager genre, over and over. Forever.
gato genio
Well said. But i would say they didnt learned from this and just tried to weasel to similar praise.
Well put.
Still, it's complicated. Even the cape writers that embrace this self-contained work have come to use it as a vehicle for their own hackdom. At least one did.
>almost by mistake
Because DC turned down their use of the Charlton characters?
That’s when you find out that Moore was fricked out of his IP and that anyone that wants to author an original work for the big 2 will suffer the same fate. The American comics scene is a shitshow on all levels, and there’s reason manga is getting popular again.
>and there’s reason manga is getting popular again.
played your hand too soon
Watchmen is the Avatar the Last Airbender of comics. Only the original was good, almost by mistake, and literally everything the suits tried to do to milk it into a franchise following the runaway success of the original, be it prequel stories, sequel stories or horrendous live-action adaptations just completely backfired and further tarnished the brand to the point nobody who was once a fan has any faith left in it.
>tarnished the brand to the point nobody who was once a fan has any faith left in it
Were people ever actually fans of the 'Watchmen brand'? Being a fan of the book (or even the movie with its idiosyncratic Zackisms) seems like a very different thing imo.
99% of Watchmen fans today started with Zack Snyder's superior film adaptation.
Not many will admit it. But it's forever true.
>Zack Snyder's superior film adaptation
Huh?
The movie is shit, bro.
Only because source material is, sis.
Can do only so much.
Snyder has never made a good film.
The Watchmen film is watchable in spite of every decision that Snyder made.
300 and Watchmen are good movies. But only because the source material was very good and he changed nothing that disrupted the movie experience.
Same thing we learned with the movie, the prequel comics and honestly anything other than the comic and maybe like 2 episodes worth of scenes from the show?(Looking Glass was cool)
Leave Watchmen alone. If you want to frick with something like Watchmen, call Morrison and use Pax Americana
I disagree. I would say, just like their Cinematic Universe, higher management and editors dont have any plan or vision. And there isnt anyone they can get interested or capable of writing something worth.
Looking Glass was alright though he was basically diet Rorschach. The only thing I liked about the show was the soundtrack and Jeremy Irons hamming it up as a character that isn't Ozymandias.
Honestly Irons acting was too good for this directing.
Same exact gayas like you will visibly shake if people "dare" to bring up original Superman or Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder issues as to challenge Your accepted notions about these characters. Like a moronic and Ill you shake and "n-no, this isn't canon anymore, I rather have This Frankenstein monster made by people that completely subverted almost every aspect.
Guaranteed you are Moore's Supreme fan too.
All of you are as moronic and hypocritical as your idol.
>race war does not threaten thier profits
I'd imagine having the workforce actively tearing itself to pieces would cut into productivity at some point
Yes, but not nearly as much as the profits gained from those people not noticing you're taking advantage of them while they're fighting.
Are you ok?
holy projection, better get that diagnosed
Funny how none of you can write that I am wrong.
All of you just hypocritical mooregayits that don't know anything better than to hype deconstruction of status quo Frankenstein bastardization and then again (Moore's Superman) and again (Moore's Miracle Man) and again (Lost Girls or whatever the frick) and again (League of Extraordinary Gentlemen)
Only to get assmad when same thing happens to Moore's work in the end.
Boohoo, next time learn history or remain looking fricking goofy.
You're wrong.
>Funny how none of you can write that I am wrong.
You just rambled about some headcanon you made up about what "people like me" are, got mad at it, and now you want me to try to debate this headcanon you made up and say how its wrong?
You're projecting
It's not headcanon if it is objective fact.
Your English might not be the best but I 100% agree with you. Alan Moore is an immense hypocrite who made his name rummaging through the toyboxes of others then threw a fit when later creators did the same to him. He’s also an exceptionally mediocre writer whose only standout accomplishment is choosing comics as his medium, where even a mediocre talent seems like a genius compared to the average.
Moore put in the work and made something new out of old material. He has a problem with DC using the popularity of his work to make even further money off of him after screwing him over.
He's a great comics writer and that's all that matters on this board.
>He has a problem with DC using the popularity of his work to make even further money off of him after screwing him over.
Wrong. He is an anarchistic anti-corporation/socialist. He is angry that DC tried to make merch and do something without his ok by using a loophole. That was the moment he started the creative bankrupsy thing.
>DC suits not paying their writers....is a good thing
And people wonder why the stories are garbage these days
What? They pay their writers. Just not enough or dont share the merch money because DC owns the copyright.
>Where even a mediocre talent seems like a genius compared to the average.
I agree with this part, some modern comics from Marvel/DC are not only worse than the capeshit movies, they are worse than fanfics. One wonders how these writers got this far.
I'd rather have the good comic than the mediocre or shitty one.
How is this so hard to understand?
>b-but it's subverted!
Don't care.
>i swear I am not biased faking fraud fricking tourist I actually like this
Yeah, sure. [Bzzzt.]
>I actually like this
Correct
>[Bzzzt.]
Don't care.
>Don't care.
That's why you replied.
Forever Dishonest
>That's why
Don't care.
BZZZT on dishonest mooregayit
>BZZZT
Don't care.
>Dont care.
Faking gay troon
Considering that this "self-contained" story is just a ripoff and actually nothing original on itself and before that Moore did Captain Marvel ripoff with exactly the same premise and then Silver Age Superman ripoff and then what if OG novel heroes were capeshit team.
Mooretroons are the most pathetic creatures
Industry already fricked over Siegel and Shuster, while Moore was parasitic on their legacy. Funny how no one of these faking fraud hippie commies actually cared, it's only because of Neal Adams and Jerry Robinson that some sort of justice will be done.
And then years later Angela Merkel with beard will attribute Superman to be creation of Mort Weisinger.
Mooregays are literally superhero comics equivalent of tranies, except some tranies Are generally good And honest people.
>Considering that this "self-contained" story is just a ripoff and actually nothing original on itself
Thats true. All his stuff is not inspired by but looks like a pastiche of existing stuff.
>Considering that this "self-contained" story is just a ripoff and actually nothing original on itself
Hey, to be fair, from what I heard at least, this time it wasn't his fault that it was a bunch of rip-offs! He was gonna frick up existing characters and DC just had the common sense to tell him to use rip-offs instead.
What the hell is this garbage?
Funny how Zack Snyder's films fans - Artists always end up working with Zack Snyder's films haters - writers.
Geoff Johns thinks he's too good for Hypertime.
>Is just johns showing he doesnt understand Magic characters (again) or science.
This is true, dude doesn't even know how a fricking Doomsday Clock works despite naming the comic after it.
>why would a fricking physicist compare magic to code
You're wanting the science born physical god with complete awareness and control of the physical universe to compare it to.....what? Goddam pixie dust?
>You're wanting the science born physical god with complete awareness and control of the physical universe to compare it to.....what?
To the fundamental forces of the universe you moronic homosexual. With magic, just like the speedforce, the quantum elemental, the anti-life, the bleed, the godwave, and all the bullshit in the DC universe being just another part of the fabric of the universe that doesnt have a real world basis. Johns cheapened magic because he is too lazy to understand real science and too dumb to try to grasp higher concept fictional forces. Comparing magic to left over code is moronic because he isnt a coder, he comes from a timeline where coding meant using BASIC and doesnt make sense from a computer science perspective.
That's just it, dingus. Manhattan was a tourist in the DC universe, he wouldn't know what the frick a speedforce or a godwave are, to him they're just part of the noise was is DC Earth. Or are you expecting everyone to never hold onto thier deep seeded beliefs and prejudices the second they step off a plane somewhere?
Also
>too dumb to try to grasp higher concept fictional forces
I want you to read that sentence back to yourself a couple of times and then tell me exactly why it's a dumb fricking thing to say
>he wouldn't know
He would know what the fundamental forces of the universe are you braindead johnsgay
Sure, HIS universe that's basically ours with a sprinkling of superhero logic applied. Remember Manhattan was the sole superhuman in Watchmen, and even then his powers had a basis within real world physical laws (he could only observe his own personal timeline, he couldn't strait up create matter, only rearrange it, etc). Hopping from what's the universe equivalent of a college lecture over to a fuggin planetarium laser show would induce some whiplash, to say the least
He was only one in superior Zack Snyder's version.
In the comics they also had psychics.
Also comics Crimebusters, all of them, were much more "super" than comics Batman ever was before Frank Miller.
>superior Zack Snyder's version
Wut?
>Manhattan was a tourist in the DC universe, he wouldn't know what the frick a speedforce or a godwave are, to him they're just part of the noise was is DC Earth.
To be fair, with whatever bullshit he pulled to cause Nu52, you'd think he'd have a pretty good understanding of whatever forces run behind the curtains on DC. It's bullshit, but magic shouldn't even surprise him in this context.
>you'd think he'd have a pretty good understanding of whatever forces run behind the curtains on DC
I mean the thing was he didn't that's why he kept fricking around with shit to see what would happen, it wasn't the most rigorous scientific experiment
All he really did is pull some want-of-a-nail shit, moving something just out of reach or stalling some event for half a second, small changes to history that rippled out until the universe itself had to morph to a new shape
fricking nothing
>i am inspired
What a hack!
This thread got schizophrenic real fast.
Welcome to Cinemaphile sir
>Gotta go fast
>Im becoming death
>Must surpass the speed of sound
>The destroyer of worlds
>I will Zapp to the extreme
>Top panel has him about to swing with his left
>Bottom has him swinging the right
I learned that comic artists can't keep action consistent for even a single page
Can someone explain this comic to me?
The Bread-lines!
Ehem, excuse me.
Ozymandias gets transported into normal DC Universe to create an Event, while in Watchmen world everyone discovered truth about his practical joke. Psychiatrist who talked with Waltuh in original comics had a son and now that son is Rorschach II because humour how all gingers get anagramed, including in comics including by Johns (see: Wally West and his sis, an OG character of Bob Kanigher , absolute disrespect), There's a new Super Villain team in Watchmen world a Mime psychic (remember, comics, not superior film adaptation) who is kinda like Green Lantern (get it? Because Johns) but lethal and all his constructions are invisible and lethal, and he had girlfriend a Harley Quinn ripoff .
So in DC Universe there's conspiracy that metahumans were created by US government. Firestorm (not really) accidentally turns Russian people into glass statues. Putin becomes A DC Character. Putin and Superman have disagreements and then Ozymandias as one of military people starts shooting and some glassed Russians get destroyed by panicked military and local Russian superhero team starts fighting Superman and Firestorm. Then Justice League finds Dr Manhattan, they fight him on Mars and all fricking die.
Then on Earth it's kinda WW3 (get it? Johns) and Superman about to punch Dr Manhattan but actually punches Pozhar (Russian superhero) even though Doc said he killed Kents.
And then Superman is "mmm, okay, you are inspired now" and Doc is "okay, I moved stuff in your DC Universe past, now it's all back how it's supposed to be , sorry".
And then Dr Manhattan has a child and As a Child he gets adopted by Silk Spectre and Nite Owl, because son becomes the father and father... A son. (Get it? Chris Reeve, every white guy character look like him in different wigs, and Dick Donner)
You forgot when the WW2 soldiers save superman from an evil army of middle eastern and russians that is attacking Washington DC, the heart of the nation (superman), really deep stuff, also a MAGA guy beats black Rorjack
The turn this thread took is interesting. Not the content itself, just the turn.
That replacing Dr.manhattan with Amazo would've been better.
I liked this version of AMAZO
Do the comics ever tried to create a character with the same trope (character with the power of many heroes/villains at the same time)? Afaik the main AMAZO can only copy one character at a time.
An artificial being created in a lab using the DNA of many Justice League members and villains sounds like something I'd be surprised if they hadn't already done.
Thats actually a good point!
I dont think. He is pure Animated stuff.
Ofc not, it was DCAU attempt at DC vs Dr Manhattan
Why would a physicist not understand code? He has probably taken at least a basic level class in it or could be referring to other code like communication.
Would you prefer he said some kind of language or pattern?
If superman is going fast enough he can smack the blue off your ass
"Miyamoto was wrong, simply delaying a project doesn't guarantee it will be eventually good."
Also, "never trust DC", but I already knew that.
He went to the hospital.
Nothing really tells us that he just didn't went blind from that punch. That shit can happen.
The disappointment never ends.
That I quite like Superman, actually.
I feel like the ideal Superman story is just out of reach, one where it's not focused on him himself, rather on people who are raised higher by his influence.
A story of gritty super cynicism running headlong into big blue and being wrenched off its tracks, not through raw power but through genuine kindness and faith in people.
I want it so bad bros.
https://vocaroo.com/19bxcDlxXzNS
I can never appreciate the anon who recorded this, enough
I found about the comic by accident after searching the Invincible vs conquest fight
Still don't know what the frick happened but hey, while no one cares
4 years before Action Comics #1 came out, there was this ad for Doc Savage. Superman doesn't even own his own name.
Bait or moronic moorehomie?
>The Super-man
Kek.
Considering how much Superman's creators stole from Doc. Savage I'm not too surprised.
Oh, so you Are moronic and can only see huge letters and not "The Superman" and "1933".
Okay, thanks for clarifying, moorehomie.
So, why did Dr. Manhattan place a kid under the parenthood of two costumed psychos?
Because Watchmen never ends baby, gotta have that sequel bait!
Johns didn't understand Watchmen, and that there isn't supposed to be any inspirational characters or heroes in it. He probably thought that Dan and Laurie were meant to be some sort of good people.
>Johns didn't understand Watchmen,
No shit? The entire story is pissing on the most important parts of Moore's work and it only goes to show how far DC has fallen as a company. They can't sell their own stories anymore so they have to leech off the lifeblood stories left behind by the Visionaries.
Ultra ironic moorehomie post
You know who did understand Watchmen though? Zack Snyder. All that other stuff is just window dressing.
Edginess was always the whole point. It's been Moore's whole MO his entire career.
Might be true. Thats why Watchmen is true to the source and one of the best adaptation movie while he changed things that it is out of character.
Alan Moore only dabbles in edginess. He can pepper it up with as much pretentious babble he chooses, but both he and Zack Snyder understand what the real appeal of his works are.
The "pretentious babble" is the meat of it, the "edginess" is the pepper.
I don't understand why you'd out yourself like this. From your very first post, you already had no credibility.
If there is no edginess, nobody would give a shit. They'd read something else that isn't a dumbshit comic book for babby.
>only i know le truth
Shit, meant for
Isnt Rorschach foreshadowing his death by Manhattan?
Alan Moore summed up in a single jpg
He knows how to catch the attention of sex-starved males.
Alternatively
Didnt Moore gave an imterview about comics and how it was in his youth? I remember that he said comics should be dirty and obscene. So your point of edgyness makes sense. Quite funny how he says that comics is kids stuff while demanding that it is should be dirty and oscene.
>Edginess was always the whole point.
moron.
Honestly Moores work consist of shock moments and subversions. I wouldnt say thats a main thing but one part of the appeal is the edgyness of Moore. So people will get interested in his work.
>You know who did understand Watchmen though? Zack Snyder.
Not only moronic, but you also just straight up don't even know that Alan Moore only considers Saturday Morning Watchmen as the only good adaptation of his work.
Trips of truth, too bad editorial on DC didn't let him write proper Watchmen. Glad they were able to do it in the cartoon without editorial interference.
>schizo thread
Awesome
Fact:
Thanks to Doomsday Clock, Doctor Manhattan is no longer a result of a man accidentally splitting his atoms into quarks in narrative parallel to the Manhattan Project splitting atoms
Now Dr Manhattan is powered by and made of "Connective Energy", a form of positive cosmic energy fuelled by good and happy feelings and friendship and created by the Super-Celestials like Perpetua to birth multiverses, opposite in nature to negative Crisis energy which is created by bad feelings and being mean to eachother and which turns people into angry ugly monster werewolves that Perpetua wants to use as her army to fight the heroes on earth (Dark Nights: Death Metal #1)
>DC cosmology can now be reduced to "LE GOOD AND LE BAD"
epic
they really should have let things like that open but I guess making le big event is more important
Johns didn't write Death Metal, mf.
Johns turned Manhattan into the powerlevel frick that the DC cosmology gays like Mxyptlk and Perpetua were all quaking their boots over to hype him up
And so naturally thanks to that they retconned that Perpetua's "le good energy vs bad energy" homosexualry is the same shit that Manhattan uses
Scott Snyder did that, don't twist things according to your agenda.
Johns can't be responsible for what other moronic writers like Snyder will do in their future stories.
>Johns can't be responsible for what other moronic writers like Snyder will do in their future stories.
Are you moronic? magic is code? It Flashpoint wasnt Barry's fault, but Pandora! i mean manhattan!, frick off, Johns was the one that blew up the gate
You are wrong and a israelite that believes everything is about trademarks. Superdaddygays are insane
It is you who is israelite and therefore hate the truth. And also you are moorehomie.
Also who brings up trademarks? You israelite schizo Superman and others Siegel's ideas are ideas. First comics superhero, first superhero to have ongoing, first superhero to have retcons, first superhero with stories cross referencing comics as a medium (Superman #19 and also story where Superman bullying comics writer forgot issue number) and many many more.
This industry is living and breathing Siegel.
All of your homosexual libtard wizards are just eating shit of a philosophical giant.
It should never have been considered Barry's fault, to begin with. Wonder if that was Johns or DilDio's fault that it was.
he can absolutely be held responsible for writing a Watchmen/DC crossover that directly brings Doctor Manhattan into the DC universe
>Johns was the one that blew up the gat
Stop mixing shit, motherfricker.
Geoff didn't write Death Metal, can't fault him for what Snyder did to Manhattan in that story, are you fricking moronic hater?
What causes these kinds of mental breakdowns? I haven't seen such display of autism on a long time.
The Man of Steel has rusted.
Time devours all.
Only lseething ooney troon thinks that.
Sane recognize the ultimate
But hey, go on and miss your chance in life. You only ruining it to yourself by being fricking liar.
Superman's comics don't sell anymore anon. This isn't opinion it's fact. No one gives a shit about rusty crusty anymore. Superman isn't even the most popular hero of his own franchise.
>Superman's comics don't sell anymore anon
Does anyone's?
Batman
Only in relative terms. Take a step back and the sales are fricking terrible all around.
Spider-man, Spider-family, Batman, Bat-family, Bat-villains, and events.
And X-Men!
Every single superhero comics is made because of Superman. Every single ongoing too.
You are mistaking corporate merchandising with an actual Superman.
But then again.
>Every single superhero comics is made because of Superman. Every single ongoing too.
This is wrong. Superman wasn't the first superhero, the first comic character, or even the first comic superhero, and he had very little influence all things considered. Batman would've been created without Superman because Batman was "inspired" by the Shadow, as would most other superheroes.
Superman is a derivative work. He was from day one when the original authors plagiarized Doc Savage and Gladiator to create him.
You are thoroughly moronic. Literally looney troon, fighting with objective reality.
No Batman wouldn't be created if Bob Kane didn't read Dr Occult comic with "Bat-man" in it.
Yet every single superhero comics only came out after Superman came out. As well as other Siegel and Shuster creations.
I mean, again, continue being thoroughly moronic liar. It does not change reality one bit.
>You are thoroughly moronic. Literally looney troon, fighting with objective reality.
Let's take a look at objective reality for a bit.
https://kids.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/superlatives/superhero-timeline
Honestly Blue Beetle was inspired by the Phantom and not Superman.
Superman wasn't first but I think its a bit too far to say he didn't have any influence.
He absolutely Is first comics Superhero.
>Superman wa-ACK
You are not a real woman. Doesn't matter how many "legitimate sources" you consume that gaslight you otherwise.
And even you yourself know you are lying shit, so again. Useless activity.
>You are not a real woman.
That's right. I'm a man. With two balls and a dick that reaches half way down to my knee.
>Doesn't matter how many legitimate sources you...
See. You don't care about facts.
But fact is your historical revisionism will never take hold. It's the Age of the Internet. Knowledge is preserved. And guess what? Superman will never be the #1 of anything.
More like
>oi, but woit if it ois öe powah fointesi boit e' 'hing goeth wrong
"Blue Beetle" ongoing exists only because "Superman" came out in 1939 because character became So much popular in his brief appearance in 1938
It is you who doesn't care about facts. You are seething from them so much that you have nothing to present me besides your weak attempts at wit and appeal to authority. Because you seething so much from the fact that Superman and other Siegel's creation are The most important things in pop culture.
Huge actually functional and natural penis heavers aren't liars like you.
>"Blue Beetle" ongoing exists only because "Superman" came out in 1939 because character became So much popular in his brief appearance in 1938
You are moronic, without superman capeshit would still exist because archetypes are bigger than trademarks. This is why the comic was garbage, it existed to jerk off superdaddygays, you didnt care how bad it was, you are happy as long as it makes a point you agree with.
Child in a basket is a pretty old trope, the israeli revisionism that Superman HAS to be Moses is pretty telling, they want people to like israelites by association
He did this because he understood the world politics and the philosophy presented by each character are the main theme, not "superheroes = bad". The point was exploring how different ideas of how to save the world would try to save it, how the life of capeshitting would affect people with real emotions and personalities, how the world would react to a superman. Capeshit deconstruction was just a tool to explore ideas the, not the point. The main problem with the movie is how blue and green it is, it was ugly, but Manhattan was pure kino
It is only you who is thoroughly moronic you moorehomie
Superheroes didn't exist before Superman. Nobody cared about archetypes until two JS persevered enough.
I know it's hard to believe for parasites, but some people Are following their dreams and make the world going round. While some only can spreading lies and stomping on someone's dreams.
There's literally nothing to like about Moses myth unless you are israelite yourself
It wasn't ugly, it was realistic lightning. Fricking children wanting primary colors.
And there's no much of new ideas, Superman slapped japs long before and even Super folks came out before Watchmen.
Only reason why Watchmen is known and popular IS because it's corporate entity constantly propped by DC Comics.
While Superman (and other Siegel creations) singlehandedly launched entire niche purely because two chuds just didn't give up, even though publisher didn't want to believe until it became Too fricking obvious. If DC israelites weren't friends forever with Marvel ones right now all these characters would be DC/Warner ips too like "Shazam".
>Superheroes didn't exist before Superman.
The Phantom? Doc Savage? Doctor Occult? Flash Gordon? Lord Pimpernell?
Oh look, a parallel on page! Nobody is allowed to shit. Superman should be comics entity only!
Fricking morona
Not a superhero, not a superhero, another Siegel's creation and also testing grounds for some Superman ideas too, not a superhero, not a superhero
No. Just like plane or aerodynamic. Or Wi-Fi. It needed chud power and perseverance to take off.
I can because nobody gives a shit about Phantom, Blue Beetle, Black Bat, Shadow, Zorro, Doc Savage, etc etc etc.
>Not a superhero
Yes, they are.
Fancy thematic costume with ancestor powers. Adventurer with super strenght thanks to his potion. Superman testing ground. Peak human in costume that fights aliens in a fantastic world. Vigilante that dressed in a thematic costume to avenge the common citizin.
By your approach Iron Man, Black Panther, Green Arrow, Adam Strange or Captain America are not superheroes.
Wrong, that's just adventurers and vigilantes. Some with powers, most without.
All superheroes created after Superman.
+ industry definitely knew Siegel's ideas ever since 1934
No matter how you twist or turn Superman is The first, alpha and omega. Evil bald master mind and good chiseled tough guy, and tough guy from the future or planet of futuristic humans that also lives as meek.
Captain America was stolen from initial 1933 bulletproof Superman premise, Iron Man from Metalo, Metallo and Batman.
And again
All before your fricking Phantom.
> adventurers and vigilantes. Some with powers, most without
So they are Superheroes. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Provide example from text
I provided it. What i greentexted is the definition of a superhero.
>Blue Beetle" ongoing exists only because "Superman" came out in 1939
Interesting take. Superman helped comics flourish. But the question is if Superman wasnt created someone else would have taken that spot. And since we dont have any hint that Blue Beetle is inspired by Super, you cant fully say without Superman no Blue Beetle. Because he is clearly a Phantom inspored character. Maybe some powers would be not existing like flying or eye beams?
That whoever drew it is an idiot, because he was clearly preparing to him him with his left arm.
It was a trick!
Moore did a number on these homies
That absolute power can override even the most broken of hax.
never let Geoff Johns write anything ever
That HBO is capable of writing, casting, filming, completing post production, and airing an entire season of a show in less time than Johns can finish a 12 part mini?
Hahahaha
Wow, Johns does it again.
If Superman is Goku, then who is his Krillin? Batman?
n'uff said
>Doc Savage isn't archetype of anything
Bullets bounce off his chest
Genius and Strongman
His name is literally CLARK Doc Savage
The Man of Bronze
Superman
Owns an Arctic retreat called the Fortress of Solitude
etc.
>>Doc Savage isn't archetype of anything
>Bullets bounce off his chest
They don't. That's Gladiator 1930.
>Genius and Strongman
An average adventurer
>His name is literally CLARK Doc Savage
And?
>The Man of Bronze
And?
>Superman
Was with Siegel in 1933
(notice also small letters on the page in the right too) your ad is from 1934
>Owns an Arctic retreat called the Fortress of Solitude
Fortress of Solitude is Mort Weisinger invention. Superman didn't have it per Siegel. He had Secret Citadel near Metropolis (which is why In SnyderVerse Kryptonian ship wasn't moved from there) but even that was only After 1938
>etc.
Yeah, so nothing.
>Ignores everything
Funny how Superman turned out to be more like Doc Savage than his psychic predecessor, huh? Yeah, Superman is a rip off of Doc and everyone knows it.
I it is you ignore anything for the sake of your moronic doc Savage. Who he is named Clark too, oh wow (actually because Clark Gable)! And reason why Superman is The Man of Steel is because if Stalin, just like he is "Superman" in the first place because of Hitler.
No, Superman can Also see far into other worlds and also Superman Does have hypnotic powers, and Superman Does have certain relationship with meteorites from other planet. Unlike Doc Savage.
Yes, everyone misinformed or purposely moronic.
pretty sure only a few autists like yourself "know" it, and that's a very small subset of older comic nerds that even know who Doc Savage is
>pretty sure only a few autists like yourself "know" it,
It's well documented on the Internet. Anyone who cares about Superman can find this on Wikipedia, Google, Youtube, ChatGPT, etc.
Superman is only the contemporary stereotype, even now as DC's effort of trying to keep him relevant is failing. The archtypes for superheroes will always be found in Pulp stories.
No, everyone who cares will find that Superman is mostly ripped off from Gladiator and John Carter you absolutely insufferable looney troon you .
Imagine spreading misinformation because you are assmad that reality is different than what you want.
Peak troonism.
>Wikipedia
Can't even name what a woman is without thinly smeared bullshit , although it has link to good Siegel memoir
>Google,
"Superman was inspired by Moses"
Untrue, into the trash
>Youtube,
Only niche channels, even Superman Homepage is semi pozzed with revisionism
>ChatGPT
Biased pro libtard adjusted software
Thats a woman?
Doesn't that "typically" just mean unless she has Downs'?
I ain't think so
the actual article clarifies that it's the lack or non-functionality of a specific gene that determines sex, not necessarily the presence of two X chromosomes
That's how I saw it. The fact that he was the one guy with superpowers is what made him OOC in Watchmen. But for some reason he had to maintain that very same situation of being the most powerful ever when he entered the greater DC universe too that seemed unnecessary. Then he just should have been one of many.
Uhh...meant to respond to
that's because Geoff Johns is a hack
Just like Superman is most durable and most powerful, even among kryptonians. Even though it doesn't make much sense and logic.
Also super-hero archetype is all about easy power obtaining.
Original Supermans became super from scientific experiment, then he was just born that way.
Doc Savage is just guy who trained himself entire life. Super-hero concept goes around that.
It's like physical letters vs Wi-Fi internet.
And also because race of supermen were simply more evolved humans there's hope for Us to become that way someday.
Completely different ballgame.
>No mention of "super-hero"
Yes, it was. That anon described a super-hero.
No mention of "super-hero" in the text of these examples
How did this end? I got up to issue 10 and just stopped there.
Nothing ever ends, anon.
It ended this way
Superman punches Pozhar instead of Doc Man
And Doc Man then : "heh" And so he makes this Superman to have new52 origin except Superboy phase from Secret Origin is reintroduced so he saves Jonathan and Martha from car crash so for mainstream Superman Kents are alive again (except not in actual ongoing comics because Bendis doesn't give a shit and Philp K Dick Johnson also doesn't give a shit) and then Doctor Manhattan dies to become son and he is getting adopted by Nite Owl and Silk Spectre. And there's teaser for another Marvel vs DC event in the future and also Earth-2 original Superman universe exists again, pre Crisis Earth-1 is Earth-85 now, Earth-0 is Earth-52 now
Best thread ever