What did we think of it Cinemaphile? I was rather disappointed.
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What did we think of it?
What did we think of it Cinemaphile? I was rather disappointed.
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As an appreciated of high brow cinema, I can say for certain that Avatar is the highest kino
Bullshit
Why do you say this anon?
I agree that one was better, I wish that they explored the clans more. I don't give a shit about the human conflict, it's played out imo.
I purchased a 250 buck Citizen watch that has glowing Banshees and Avatar logo on it, if that answers your question.
Nobody cares.
Blu-ray and 4k releases of Abyss and True Lies are coming out this year
The Making of The Abyss > Avatar = Avatar 2 = True Lies > The Abyss
Oh just like the previous years?
Thanks for reminding me that I may go for a fourth screening this weekend. The themes are simple, but there are various rhymes which go un-noticed by inattentive viewings.
I far prefer the original, but I enjoyed this one too. My favorite thing about the sequel is that it reminded me of how much I uniroincally love the original. The Cinemaphile hate is also useful to the extent that it cultivates an "us vs them" mentality, which can be enjoyable in its own way.
The first ones a more competent film, but I liked this one for how fricking bizarre it got for a blockbuster of this size. Such a weird premise and execution. Liked the slice of life family stuff too. Visually beautiful, but the script needed work.
This appears to be a serious criticism. What would you have preferred? What did exactly did you have in mind when you called it bizarre?
I myself have noted that there are MANY (dozens) of 1:1 repetitions of specific bits of dialogue and other story elements which either map directly to the original, or else to other pieces in Cameron's work. Since I actually like the movies I take a charitable view on this repetition, but it's easy and arguable for a "hater" to say copy-paste rehash sequel.
A pretty standard criticism is that the fishy people seem to disappear halfway through the third act, although I think Cameron's defense that he wanted the last section to focus on the family makes sense. Starting the picture and ending it the same way. The closest thing I can compare the film to is The Incredibles, both try to depict "conventional nuclear family values" in an agreeable fantasy premise.
> A pretty standard criticism is that the fishy people seem to disappear halfway through the third act, although I think Cameron's defense that he wanted the last section to focus on the family makes sense. Starting the picture and ending it the same way.
I use the Rosebud justification, in that situation. In Citizen Kane, Kane says rosebud in a room by himself and yet it’s reported on in the next scene. Technically a plot hole but ultimately one that has no effect whatsoever on the plot or emotion of the movie and thus is more or less irrelevant. While the script to 1 was tighter, 2 had far more scenes with emotional impact. They’re both near perfect blockbusters in my eye.
The fish people disappeared in the MOST IMPORTANT BATTLE OF ALL TIME. the cheif’s daughter is also still in danger and not even thw cheif himself cares where his daughter is? Isn’t it supposed to be about family? What a stupid movie.
The actual battle was over. The rescue mission was inside a sinking ship that no good guy knew the interior of besides Spyder. The army was no longer useful in that situation.
There was never an indication that the battle was over. The cheif’s daughter was still in danger.
>There was never an indication that the battle was over.
The whale had taken down the carrier and the whaling vessel with the average Australian, the flying ships had been shot down. The all out warfare was clearly over with nothing left to do but rescue the children and kill Quaritch.
>The cheif’s daughter was still in danger.
>Avatar hater can’t into reading comprehension and/or logic
explained in precious post and is common sense. An army serves no purpose during a rescue mission inside a sinking vessel. It would only slow down the experts and cause unnecessary casualties. Pay attention next time, zoomie.
> rescue mission
What rescue mission? Only the kids knew about the rescue mission because they came up with it out of the blue and on the spot. The mission of the army and the whole reason why they arrived wa to rescue the kids. And the kids were STILL on the ship and the army just uhhh disappeared? The fact that all out warfare was “clearly over,” gives them more of a reason to stick around an surround thr sinking demon ship. What a bunch of stupid bullshit they just disappear for no reason
>The fact that all out warfare was “clearly over,” gives them more of a reason to stick around a surround thr sinking demon ship. What a bunch of stupid bullshit they just disappear for no reason
you are assuming the army literally vanished when the film didn’t establish whether they were there or not. Their location was irrelevant to the immediate action.
Navi casualties, smart guy. The ship was a death trap by that point. Send dozens of people in there that have no idea where to go and dozens will likely die.
> Send dozens of people in there that have no idea where to go and dozens will likely die.
????
I said surround the area and wait for the ship to sink. Quartich literally stopped weinfleet from shooting jake because he’s afraid of the army killing his men. I’m repeating myself.
> you are assuming the army literally vanished when the film didn’t establish whether they were there or not. Their location was irrelevant to the immediate action.
They literally vanish from the scene and movie. We NEVER see the army again. James Cameron fricked up and forgot about the entire army who are necessary for the action, you gave me a pathetic excuse holy shit.
Show me the ultra wide shot in your head cannon that firmly establishes the army is or is not there. Face it, their location is an unknown variable. The shallow observation that the army should surround the ship has as much dramatic value as
>why did Luke face Vader one on one, they should’ve sent an army
>why did they only send a few ships on the trench run, they should’ve sent a bazillion
>why didn’t Jackie Chan bring a machine gun to every fight
It’s the kind of stuff a 12yr old would come up with and fancy themselves quite clever.
Jimbo makes deeply spiritual kino that has a profound understanding of the human id. You seethe on Cinemaphile. Face it, he won.
>deeply spiritual kino
"le violence with guns is bad"
"le violence with spears and bows is ok"
SO DEEP!
James Cameron has all that money but he’s old as frick and has less than 5 years to live. Wasted his life creating cgi for Disney to use for their superhero films. What a tragedy.
> An army serves no purpose during a rescue mission inside a sinking vessel.
They can surround the sinking vessel and force the enem to surrender. Quartich isn’t suicidal, he was afraid of the army attacking the ship which is why he told Wainfleet not to snipe jake. So quartich clearly was afraid of the army.
> It would only slow down the experts and cause unnecessary casualties. Pay attention next time, zoomie.
But the war is over already like you said? You’re contradicting yourself moron
Me too, there was no grand mysterious unexplored Pandora like in the first one. Was my first time to be back in the cinema since Corona, so it was still a nice experience.
Cameron's worst.
I got top see my beloved again, so I liked it.
*to
I think I can't believe a guy was paid to render a 4K e-girl nipple
It's shit, and cameron hasn't done a decent film in nearly 30 years.
Isn't it amazing how much money this made yet so little was and is being talked about it?
> final battle
> everyone on the good guy team vanishes
> jake is hanging out with his family IN FRONT OF THE BAD GUYS while his son dies
Why didn’t quartich snipe jake from far away when his son was dying, they were right in front of the sinking ship. Absolutely bizarre.
The opening was lazy and undercuts all the drama of the first movie (Cameron's fault, it was grossly overwritten) and we barely got to "meet" the new tribe. The very understated beat was "learn from each other" but still, it didn't get nearly as thorough of treatment as the first movie which is unsatisfying but structurally purposeful so that you will come back for Avatar 3.
Everybody has already forgot what they thought about it. Literally disappeared from consciousness as soon as they left the cinema.