Fricking boring.
They take an interesting premise, time travel, and bog it down with the majority of each episode being about a teenage love triangle or dipshit boomers cheating on their spouses. This was basically a soap opera or CW show.
I was incredibly pleased to see Netflix shitcanned their new show.
given the choice between rewatching what I struggled to watch of the first season of this and any marvel movie I will 100% and without shame choose a marvel movie
you're a Black person.
>be sad about son's death >build a time machine out of market available parts in the 80s and plugged to the normal electrical grid >fire it up >forget to carry the one in your calculations >destroy reality
That's German engineering for you.
More like
Sons dies
Invents time machine Time machine makes two parallel earths caught in a time loop
End with your son being saved and time travel never being invented
Couldn't they let Jonas and Martha live in the new timeline? Nothing in season 3 makes any sense scientifically anyway, you make up your own rules. Why not just let them go instead of fricking killing them? It's unnecessarily Dar-- oh, I see.
It makes sense. The only thing that makes no sense it the door scene when kid Jonas and Martha see the teenage versions in the timestream. Thats pure magic, esotheric shot!
That's not the point. He's saying teenage Martha and Jonas shouldn't have that memory of seeing themselves in the timeslipwhatever, because this is supposed to be the first and only time they ever fixed the timelines.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Martha and Jonas shouldn't have that memory of seeing themselves in the timeslipwhatever, because this is supposed to be the first and only time they ever fixed the timelines.
Except that they're already outside of the "two worlds" and the loop there. They're not really anywhere but "between time". So whatever causality applied within those loops does not apply where they are. In other word: Anything is possible, and they can probably reach anywhere, even to past iterations of the loop.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Are you saying the memory of this happening to both of them as children only manifested itself in that particular moment? I've been talking about this particular part of the show since the series ended and nothing will ever not convince me this was an oversight by the writers. Nothing at all.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Are you saying the memory of this happening to both of them as children only manifested itself in that particular moment?
No. Because the "moment" was not a moment.
I repeat: They are outside of the causal system that their worlds exist in. The memory wasn't caused in the traditional sense, it just existed "between time". Only things within the loop cause other things within the loop. Anything outside of it just is.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Absolute nonsense.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You quite literally see that the causality gets broken within the loop as they escape, anon.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Things you can’t understand aren’t nonsense. They’re your personal failures
You literally hear alt Martha confirm that she remembers seeing teenage neck rope burn Jonas in the closet when she was a child. Going back 16 years to that moment, from the time it took alt Martha and Jonas wait at the bridge then stop Tanhauss' son from driving over the bridge, that little child Martha should have been Thanos snapped out of existence but she wasn't.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You're still trying to apply causality from within the loop to a thing that only took place outside the loop.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>alt Martha didn't have this memory in the loop
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yes, she did. The flaw in your logic is the assumption that this memory has to be caused by something that follows the laws of the loop itself, i.e., that is itself happening at a given time and caused by something within the loop. This is not the case.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The logic would follow that child Martha should stop existing a couple minutes after she walks away from the closet when Tanhauss Jr is saved. In fact every version of her inhabiting every single smallest possible unit of time and space she ever existed in should be disappearing.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>In fact every version of her inhabiting every single smallest possible unit of time and space she ever existed in should be disappearing.
tf are you talljing about
1 month ago
Anonymous
Because if not, Martha and Jonas literally didn't fix anything except for themselves in that one moment. Everything's happening all at once, there's a Martha for every second, every nano second and so on, so if we're to assume that child Martha didn't get zapped out of existence in the amount of time it took Martha and Jonas to save the Tannhaus son, then she's going to grow up and live to experience everything again while the Jonas and Martha we've been following just turn into dust.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You are really really stupid. You do realize this, right?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Thanks man, I guess I'll wait another 25 minutes for you not to explain how I'm wrong.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Things you can’t understand aren’t nonsense. They’re your personal failures
1 month ago
Anonymous
Im just saying it doesnt make sense as why should they be able to look into the timestream, through a common door, while their parents dont see a thing.
1 month ago
Anonymous
love is the one thing that transcends time and space or whatever
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yes. I think it is good idea to make the stakes higher when they vanish together and “We are a perfect match…“. But since the series set it as realistic as possible, thats too magic wambo mambo.
Probability. Till they really did it the possibility they didnt stopped the death. They hang in a Schröders cat moment.
this part really bothered me because I don't even think the writers understood the implication.
Not a scientific one. They just wanted a “destiny to be together“ thing. It was a pure dramatic purpose.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>They hang in a Schröders cat moment.
You do realize the whole cat thing is a ridiculous exercise that has no place in real life, right? Schrodinger's equivalent of folding a piece of paper and putting a pencil through. He said it at a party or something and never meant for it to be taken seriously.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>He said it at a party or something and never meant for it to be taken seriously.
No. He brouht it forward as a criticism of quatum mechanics, and caused a bit of a crisis of the field with it, resulting in a refinement of the "Copenhagen Interpretation" that basically introduced the strict discrimination of microcosmic and macrocosmic systems and the observer hypotheisis. Far from a "party trick".
As for why Dark says that it can apply to the macrocosm all of the sudden, the explanation is found in an exchange between Claudia and Bernd back in season 1, about the data records and the Higgs boson ("god particle"), basically contradicting scientific consensus, and effectively changing the laws of physics. That's all that's needed for Dark to take its liberties with science, at least within the two worlds.
actual dogshit. there are only two things happening: drama and characters traveling through time to make someone else do a thing that leads to a thing that happened.
they complain that they want to change the course of what happened, but then do everything in their power so it happens again.
and finally, when one guy tries to actually go a different path like his former selves he simply cant physically do it because "fate wont let him"
>tfw you realize that every time Adam or Claudia manipulates people by telling them that they're going to fix everything they're actually telling the truth because all that happened after they discovered the origin world
Dropped after the first season. Friend of mine watched it til the end and summed it up for me. It went exactly how I predicted, convoluted bullshit. The moment they introduced time travel I knew there will be a gorillion other worlds and timelines and shit.
>there are people arguing that the whole story makes sense
I dread to open any STEM related thread here because I always get flabbergasted how fricking moronic the average people is.
I watched it up until the guy meets up with a group of people and some girl punches him in the face I liked it alright up to that point but I dropped it after I saw that.
I liked the first two seasons but couldn't get more than three episodes into the third. Also it's full of typical German scaremongering about atomic power.
Felt like they went for more seasons but Netflix installed their 3 season policy to give viewers a closed series.
I understand that a series with a start and an end just increases the rewatchability.
The whole show is about them unable to undo this infinite time loop and then suddenly in the end they just manage to? That means everything that happened before didn't actually happen
Bad ending
>we just changed the rules of the universe because... we just did okay?!?!? this is the ending you wanted right?!?!
backing off of determinism was trash and is always trash
The first episode or 2 was interesting but then just immediately becomes a snoozefest. Germans have no subtlety or humour, they immediately give everything away instead of building up suspense and generating interest.
It gets mogged by even Stranger Things as far as small town sci-fi mysteries go. >but.. but-but..
German cinema is also gay, it's just not fun.
I liked it. Most of it was convoluted and kind of dumb, but I took it as a young guy wanting to get closure with a girl he liked and the entire journey is a time traveling clusterfrick of a horror show both have to get through to realize that they only way either will get closure is by closing the loop where they cannot exist unless they are one. So as long as you keep that premise of a traditional romance and its goal in mind, it's a good show. But if you try to go down the spiderweb in looking for any deeper meaning, there's no real point and there's no real value.
Dark was convoluted and had a somewhat weak ending, but nonetheless is one of the best time travel series ever, and definitely kino.
Even better, however, was the Dark-influenced kdrama Alice.
Both are well worth watching.
Amazing series up until the very last episode. It was so... mediocre. Was expecting more mindfrickery and such, instead we got something out of your average romantic drama film.
>Will never get a physical release
Some people can kill themselves
But you will never alter timelines to make it so you and the universe you live in never existed
Thought it was pretty great and somehow reasonably coherently linked together
I watched the first two seasons and then had to wait for the third to release and forgot about it
Same but i was getting bored after season 2 and just kinda forgot about it. Still haven't watched it and probably never will now.
>the grooviest thing would be just not existing
It's the most German show ever.
>what is that, nietzsche? shuuuut the fuuuck up
It is very existential. Very Zeitgeist.
Fricking boring.
They take an interesting premise, time travel, and bog it down with the majority of each episode being about a teenage love triangle or dipshit boomers cheating on their spouses. This was basically a soap opera or CW show.
I was incredibly pleased to see Netflix shitcanned their new show.
maybe you should watch the avengers next time homosexual
Imagine being a grown man and simping for a netflix show
given the choice between rewatching what I struggled to watch of the first season of this and any marvel movie I will 100% and without shame choose a marvel movie
you're a Black person.
One of the most compelling time travel stories I've seen. There are so many interesting things you can do and Dark does a lot of them.
>be sad about son's death
>build a time machine out of market available parts in the 80s and plugged to the normal electrical grid
>fire it up
>forget to carry the one in your calculations
>destroy reality
That's German engineering for you.
More like
Sons dies
Invents time machine
Time machine makes two parallel earths caught in a time loop
End with your son being saved and time travel never being invented
Couldn't they let Jonas and Martha live in the new timeline? Nothing in season 3 makes any sense scientifically anyway, you make up your own rules. Why not just let them go instead of fricking killing them? It's unnecessarily Dar-- oh, I see.
It makes sense. The only thing that makes no sense it the door scene when kid Jonas and Martha see the teenage versions in the timestream. Thats pure magic, esotheric shot!
How does them living and talking to people until they dissolve into anime fireflies make sense?
That's not the point. He's saying teenage Martha and Jonas shouldn't have that memory of seeing themselves in the timeslipwhatever, because this is supposed to be the first and only time they ever fixed the timelines.
>Martha and Jonas shouldn't have that memory of seeing themselves in the timeslipwhatever, because this is supposed to be the first and only time they ever fixed the timelines.
Except that they're already outside of the "two worlds" and the loop there. They're not really anywhere but "between time". So whatever causality applied within those loops does not apply where they are. In other word: Anything is possible, and they can probably reach anywhere, even to past iterations of the loop.
Are you saying the memory of this happening to both of them as children only manifested itself in that particular moment? I've been talking about this particular part of the show since the series ended and nothing will ever not convince me this was an oversight by the writers. Nothing at all.
>Are you saying the memory of this happening to both of them as children only manifested itself in that particular moment?
No. Because the "moment" was not a moment.
I repeat: They are outside of the causal system that their worlds exist in. The memory wasn't caused in the traditional sense, it just existed "between time". Only things within the loop cause other things within the loop. Anything outside of it just is.
Absolute nonsense.
You quite literally see that the causality gets broken within the loop as they escape, anon.
You literally hear alt Martha confirm that she remembers seeing teenage neck rope burn Jonas in the closet when she was a child. Going back 16 years to that moment, from the time it took alt Martha and Jonas wait at the bridge then stop Tanhauss' son from driving over the bridge, that little child Martha should have been Thanos snapped out of existence but she wasn't.
You're still trying to apply causality from within the loop to a thing that only took place outside the loop.
>alt Martha didn't have this memory in the loop
Yes, she did. The flaw in your logic is the assumption that this memory has to be caused by something that follows the laws of the loop itself, i.e., that is itself happening at a given time and caused by something within the loop. This is not the case.
The logic would follow that child Martha should stop existing a couple minutes after she walks away from the closet when Tanhauss Jr is saved. In fact every version of her inhabiting every single smallest possible unit of time and space she ever existed in should be disappearing.
>In fact every version of her inhabiting every single smallest possible unit of time and space she ever existed in should be disappearing.
tf are you talljing about
Because if not, Martha and Jonas literally didn't fix anything except for themselves in that one moment. Everything's happening all at once, there's a Martha for every second, every nano second and so on, so if we're to assume that child Martha didn't get zapped out of existence in the amount of time it took Martha and Jonas to save the Tannhaus son, then she's going to grow up and live to experience everything again while the Jonas and Martha we've been following just turn into dust.
You are really really stupid. You do realize this, right?
Thanks man, I guess I'll wait another 25 minutes for you not to explain how I'm wrong.
Things you can’t understand aren’t nonsense. They’re your personal failures
Im just saying it doesnt make sense as why should they be able to look into the timestream, through a common door, while their parents dont see a thing.
love is the one thing that transcends time and space or whatever
Yes. I think it is good idea to make the stakes higher when they vanish together and “We are a perfect match…“. But since the series set it as realistic as possible, thats too magic wambo mambo.
1899 was a disappointment!
Probability. Till they really did it the possibility they didnt stopped the death. They hang in a Schröders cat moment.
Not a scientific one. They just wanted a “destiny to be together“ thing. It was a pure dramatic purpose.
>They hang in a Schröders cat moment.
You do realize the whole cat thing is a ridiculous exercise that has no place in real life, right? Schrodinger's equivalent of folding a piece of paper and putting a pencil through. He said it at a party or something and never meant for it to be taken seriously.
>He said it at a party or something and never meant for it to be taken seriously.
No. He brouht it forward as a criticism of quatum mechanics, and caused a bit of a crisis of the field with it, resulting in a refinement of the "Copenhagen Interpretation" that basically introduced the strict discrimination of microcosmic and macrocosmic systems and the observer hypotheisis. Far from a "party trick".
As for why Dark says that it can apply to the macrocosm all of the sudden, the explanation is found in an exchange between Claudia and Bernd back in season 1, about the data records and the Higgs boson ("god particle"), basically contradicting scientific consensus, and effectively changing the laws of physics. That's all that's needed for Dark to take its liberties with science, at least within the two worlds.
this part really bothered me because I don't even think the writers understood the implication.
>what did we think of the hit Netflix series "Dark"?
Satanismus
shit
I like it a lot. The third season is a little rushed but it doesn't ruin the first two.
one of the few time travel kinos that is done right
actual dogshit. there are only two things happening: drama and characters traveling through time to make someone else do a thing that leads to a thing that happened.
they complain that they want to change the course of what happened, but then do everything in their power so it happens again.
and finally, when one guy tries to actually go a different path like his former selves he simply cant physically do it because "fate wont let him"
terrible shitshow
that's what determinism is
Black folk dont understand anything if it doesnt have guns or prostitutes in it
>you will never frick your aunt
also I just realized young jonas gets to frick real martha AND alt-martha, but adam only got to frick real martha.
German girls with great bodies and mid faces are peak
this isn't mid
of course it is.
In Germany it is.
She got naked recently, very sexy
>She got naked recently
She literally got naked in Dark already, anon. Granted, only glimpses where you can see her breasts, but they're there.
>does nothing wrong in deiner welt
>tfw you realize that every time Adam or Claudia manipulates people by telling them that they're going to fix everything they're actually telling the truth because all that happened after they discovered the origin world
Dropped after the first season. Friend of mine watched it til the end and summed it up for me. It went exactly how I predicted, convoluted bullshit. The moment they introduced time travel I knew there will be a gorillion other worlds and timelines and shit.
but there's only two(three) timelines/worlds dumb ass
Thanks for the input, college dropouts.
imagine being this much of an idiot
Dunning Kruger at it's finest.
>we
You say "we", but what you don't realize is that ich bin du.
S1 was great, as germanic family dysfunction soap opera with cheating, teen romance, time swap, creepy cave, a german twink lead
It had good atmosphere.
Immersive as frick.
Should've been 4 seasons instead of 3 with a nonsensical ending, and ulrich becoming a side character.
>ulrich becoming a side character.
Ulrich quite literally became the most important character in German history, anon.
What about the Unknown who became a Nazi.
Or HG Tannhaus who planned the holocaust?
>The Conference (2022)
How many Wannsee Conference movies do we need?
2!
Kinda. Honestly if i were asked to make a 2nd series, i would use WW2,
>2!
2 factorial is literally just 2, anon.
You just needed the 1984 and 2022 ones!
>How many Wannsee Conference
Pack die Badehose ein, nimm dein kleines Schwesterlein, ... you cannot ever have enough Wannsee.
bros I am so glad this series stayed the frick away from WW1 and WW2 shit. imagine
>there are people arguing that the whole story makes sense
I dread to open any STEM related thread here because I always get flabbergasted how fricking moronic the average people is.
I watched it up until the guy meets up with a group of people and some girl punches him in the face I liked it alright up to that point but I dropped it after I saw that.
the cancellation of 1899 was a disappointment
>watch first season
>liked it
>by the time the 2nd season came out I forgot everything and didnt want to rewatch it
Frick Hannah, frick her to the darkest depths of hell.
b***h deserves Chernobyl ARS.
I liked the first two seasons but couldn't get more than three episodes into the third. Also it's full of typical German scaremongering about atomic power.
First two seasons were great, plot seemed very strong, third was alright, the way they tied up loose ends was somewhat disapointing
Great trans representation
Felt like they went for more seasons but Netflix installed their 3 season policy to give viewers a closed series.
I understand that a series with a start and an end just increases the rewatchability.
>Felt like they went for more seasons
No, they didn't. They made very clear they were going for three from the very beginning.
Ok, than they just lost the,self in the complexity and forgot how to,solve the loose plot threads better!
There was not a single "loose plot thread". Maybe you should have paid better attention?
Aryan kino. If the good guys had won WW2 series like this would be the norm instead of Star Wars drek.
Yeah this totally wouldn't be labeled as a israeli physics series by the party.
great first season
ehhh second season
zzzzzzzzzzz third season
Anyone else see Deutschland? this and dark were some of the best series to come out of Germany in the last 10 years
I only watched Dark. Is Deutschland 83 good?
>Is Deutschland 83 good?
Nah. I was around in Deutschland 83. Cold War and shit. Fricking depressing.
But the music was good.
Yes, it's cold war espionage kino with lots of heart. I preferred the 2nd and 3rd seasons though.
One of the few kino series on that shitty platform and like the only good scifi one.
The whole show is about them unable to undo this infinite time loop and then suddenly in the end they just manage to? That means everything that happened before didn't actually happen
Bad ending
You didn't pay much attention, did you?
>what did we think of the hit Netflix series "Dark"?
I thought it was a nihilistic, overly dour slog.
>Der MahTreex
sublime
S1 kino
S2 kino
S3 kin-shit
>t. american
>we just changed the rules of the universe because... we just did okay?!?!? this is the ending you wanted right?!?!
backing off of determinism was trash and is always trash
>the rules of the universe
Yeah, you certainly did not pay any attention, moron. Maybe you should go back to watching capeshit.
The first episode or 2 was interesting but then just immediately becomes a snoozefest. Germans have no subtlety or humour, they immediately give everything away instead of building up suspense and generating interest.
It gets mogged by even Stranger Things as far as small town sci-fi mysteries go.
>but.. but-but..
German cinema is also gay, it's just not fun.
>It gets mogged by even Stranger Things
S1 of Stranger Things was objectively good television
your opinion is objectively reddit
>t. Dark enjoyer
t. zoomer who loves le 80s
Dark is based in le 80s moron
moron
If you like stranger things at any point your opinion is completely worthless in general.
Shit by the end. Should be taught as an example of what not to do
Good thing only Americans think like that. Meanwhile, the rest of the world will continue writing good literature and screenplays.
I liked it. Most of it was convoluted and kind of dumb, but I took it as a young guy wanting to get closure with a girl he liked and the entire journey is a time traveling clusterfrick of a horror show both have to get through to realize that they only way either will get closure is by closing the loop where they cannot exist unless they are one. So as long as you keep that premise of a traditional romance and its goal in mind, it's a good show. But if you try to go down the spiderweb in looking for any deeper meaning, there's no real point and there's no real value.
Dark was convoluted and had a somewhat weak ending, but nonetheless is one of the best time travel series ever, and definitely kino.
Even better, however, was the Dark-influenced kdrama Alice.
Both are well worth watching.
can you really give birth to your own mother? is that even genetically possible regardless of time travel bullshit?
>can you really give birth to your own mother?
No, I cannot. I'm male.
sorry grandson it's not 1953 anymore
Maybe not where you're posting from.
Amazing series up until the very last episode. It was so... mediocre. Was expecting more mindfrickery and such, instead we got something out of your average romantic drama film.
>out of your average romantic drama film.
What kind of romantic drama are you watching, anon?