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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's what they shit that matters

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They need to eat to shit and the only thing in the desert is those little mouse things

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Read the book moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm illiterate

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          despite Herberts being ecologist whole worm cycle is one the most moronic things ive read

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Read the “man in the arena”. It’s a 3 min read

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              why?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It’s written like a moron wrote it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          despite Herberts being ecologist whole worm cycle is one the most moronic things ive read

          It’s written like a moron wrote it

          Explain to us

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sandworms are filter feeders eating sand plankton that become sand trout that become sandworms. The sand plankton eat the bodies of dead sandworms. It's one organism endlessly cannibalizing itself. Not as moronic as laser-shield nukes but close.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It makes sense if the plankton are photosynthesizing, which seems to be implied by there name. That way its one efficient self contained cycle of energy through the cannibalization but a little bit of extra energy is added in through photosynthesis. Its basically the same concept as the stillsuit. Like pottery.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think they're partially chemosynthesis too, especially given they sequester water
                which would explain why all attempts to get the sandworms off planet just fail, you need Arrakis or something close enough of a simulacrum for the whole cycle to work

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                1) they would have figured out a chemical process to synthesizes spice.
                2) it's meaningless anyway because no attempt to ban the usage of AI for FTL via a religious edict would ever work.

                stop talking about the lore, it just makes the books obviously more second-rate.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                they eventually do synthesize spice
                but all attempts to do so were restricted under the rule of the Emperors because artificial spice would have destroyed one of the most important levers of power he had

                And the ban was not a religious edict enforced from top down, it was a bottom-up massive cultural movement with humanity breaking free from a self-inflicted gilded cage

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >they eventually do synthesize spice
                Isn't this tens of thousands of years in the future from the setting of the first book?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just looked it up and it's about 5000 years from Paul arriving on Arrakis until the Bene Tleilaxu synthesize the spice.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                3000+ something years, after Leto dies and the entire galaxy shatters into a shitshow they develop synthetic spice pretty fast out of pure necessity

                before that any attempt at creating synthetic spice was a guaranteed ticket to have your planet be massacred
                the most people dared do was try and transport a sandworm off planet to set up a private breeding project, but the only reason that was barely tolerated despite being illegal as frick was because all attempts guaranteed failed

                Basically control over spice was important enough to commit genocide just to maintain, people didn't invent synthetic spice because it was somehow magically impossible, they didn't do it because it would get you fricked up

                Once central authority was gone synthetic spice spread pretty fast, intentionally so because Leto sought to destroy all means of maintaining central control over humanity ever again as part of his thousands year long gambit

                Dune in general is more a story about cultures than technology and the former shapes the latter more than the other way around

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the embarrassing thing is that we're expected to take this shit seriously decades later when Herbert clearly spent about the same amount of time thinking about it as it took to write, despite his claims of "extensive research".

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >It's one organism endlessly cannibalizing itself. Not as moronic as laser-shield nukes but close.
              It's an alien species. It's allowed to be weird and Dune makes it clear the process is not fully understood even by the Fremen or God Emperor Leto.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It is theorized that the worms are some kind of remaining AI from Butler's Jihad. So they may be artificial. Which could explain why they can bond to a human body.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Elaborate on that theory pls.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the AI thing is kinda dumb, it's more likely they are a form of biotech though

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I always assumed they simply evolved on Arrakis and caused a catastrophic natural climate shift in the process.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the AI thing is kinda dumb, it's more likely they are a form of biotech though

                There are no aliens in the Dune universe except for the worms - which seems out of place. Even after the great spread under Leto, humans find no alien life. So it may just be that the worms are artificially man or machine made. Why else would they have psycho-effects on humans if they were not somehow related to us?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >There are no aliens in the Dune universe except for the worms -
                What about the other native species of Arrakis? There are several. Were they all introduced years ago?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I am no expert on this topic, but most of these plants and animals seem to come from Terra. Mice, hawks, bushes...nothing really alien there. Except for the worms.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                House Harkonnen made all their money by harvesting and selling “whale fur”. In the Dune universe creatures are named like in Star Trek, by their nearest approximate Earth analogue. They’re not actually from Earth.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's not from the original books.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that doesn't mean that they can't be lost human biotech that got out of control

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I am not disagreeing. It's all just speculation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      spice is not shit, it's a byproduct of the lifestage where thousands of sandtrout become a sandworm

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It is literally the metabolic waste of the sandtrout

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Esoteric Nicocado?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    sand

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think other smaller worms

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sand

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They literally eat sand and metabolize it.

      This doesn't tell the whole story.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Minerals in the sand.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They don’t eat anything at all. They listen to what the people have to say. And that’s what no one did.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They should have made the bristles blue so that the the mouth looks like a blue iris, thus highlighting the worms' relationship with the spice (and also making it look less like a gaping anus). Huge wasted opportunity.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But they shit the spice. Doesn't that mean their buttholes should be blue instead?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They really should have.

      This lifeless desert movie could use a little color.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >LE BLUE AND ORANGE IS LE PRETTY
      bravo, Cinemaphile

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why are you trying to be all scientific about giant worms that swim in sand

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Could another person merge with the sand trout if they wanted?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it requires you being capable of surviving having half your bodymass be spice and spice-derived chemicals just to initiate it
      without beyond Bene Gesserit levels of internal chemistry control you overdose before even getting to within 0.1% the required concentrations

      Paul could have done it, but you need someone at least on his level to pull it off

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Frank Herbert was very bad at biology

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. And to add on that - why would the Fremen - who worship the worm as a god - want to turn Arrakis into another Terra? That kills the worm. It's completely idiotic.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They don't worship it like a God, they worship God like a God
        they revere the worm yes, but they revere Paul even harder after he leads them to their promised skullfricking of the galaxy

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Even if that is so - Shai Hulud! - the Fremen and imperial ecologist Keynes are too stupid to understand that watering Arrakis will doom their way of life and the worm.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nah they know, which is why they keep parts of Arrakis intentionally dry to not destroy the worms

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Which fails. The worms all die (except one). Either the Fremen are utterly stupid or Herbert didn't think it through. He took a lot of drugs anyway, so you can't take it all too serious. It is obviously LSD influenced.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Which fails. The worms all die (except one).
                That's thanks to Leto II continuing to make it happen, after the Baron-ridden Alia went too far, anon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Leto II was intentionally killing off the worms anon
                he wanted absolute spice control and intentionally make it a limited resource which he handed out increasingly less to make the factions of the universe both reliant on him and at the same time desperate enough to risk synthetic spice and navigator AI experiments behind his back

                That Ix and Tleilaxu were literally primed to pop off their stuff the minute he died was a feature, not a bug

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >watering Arrakis
            Not entirely watering Arrakis.
            In the book it is said that they would let a belt of sand around Arrakis's equator to live freely.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        their discipline is based on the fact they all have a lifetime mission to make life better. And that's the only way to achieve it, it's not super complicated.
        They revere the Worm and its impact on their environment. But they are not knowledge of the impacts of their own actions.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The reason the Fremen can defeat Harkonnen and Sardauker troops is that their environment is the harshest known in the universe. They are very proud of their toughness, warrior-lifestyle and lifestyle. Yet they want to turn it all around - which makes zero sense.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hubris. The Sardaukar lost because they became enamoured of luxury. Even a decade later in Messiah the Fremen are getting corrupted with only a few rebels staying true to the old ways.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I do find it funny that Stilgar's boomer "kids have it too easy these days back in my day" old man crankiness is ultimately vindicated in the worst possible way.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Mmmmm worm poop make me smart!

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For Shai-Hulud sake ! Read the book.

    Shai-Hulud's world is a curse for the Freemen :
    No water, no irrigation to build farms, and live a descent live.

    But it's also a gift :
    Shai-Hulud gives the Freemen the spice, the only way to perform hyperspace travel safely.

    So for milleniae, the Freemen tried to reconquered there world stolen by the Emperor and the Houses.
    They were just waiting for the right guy to lead them to that ultimate war.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is it ever explained why house Corrino didn't just keep the Dune for themselves and ruled the Empire from there? Maybe settle it with Sardaukar and make it princely appanage, if it's too far from the political center of the Empire

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dune is a hell of a place to live in.
      Especially for the Empire when all the locals want you dead to feed there giant pet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because there's nothing to be gained by ruling it personally other than the discontent from all the other houses
      If instead he subcontracts it to another house he has an incredibly powerful boon to make them loyal lest he withdraws it AND paints a target on THEIR back, isolating them politically from the other great houses due to jealousy

      It's not like they can actually risk doing anything silly with Arrakis other than lord their possession of it over other houses and get rich off of it, Navigator's guild is still the only way you're getting spice off of the planet and make too much of a stink and the Sardaukar get sent to clean you up

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